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  1. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

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    Scientists Say Dieting Does Not Work
    10 Apr 2007

    It does not say anything of the sort. It says most people fail to follow
    diets long term, not that diets dont work. There is a HUGE difference
    between them. This has been known a long time and confirmed again
    recently. Compliance is everything. From a recent article called "The Big
    Picture of Permanent Weight Loss"

    "...the number one reason diets fail, which is a lack of compliance. The
    lead researcher of this recent study stated:

    ³Our trial found that adherence level rather than diet type was the
    primary predictor of weight loss²(3)

    Translated, it¹s not which diet they chose per se, but their ability to
    actually stick to a diet that predicted their weight loss success."

    Cont:

    http://www.brinkzone.com/articledetails.php?aid=102&acatid=3

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    "It twas ever thus! " - Mr Natural

  2. Will Brink said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > *******************************************************************
    > Scientists Say Dieting Does Not Work
    > 10 Apr 2007

    It does not say anything of the sort. It says most people fail to follow
    diets long term, not that diets dont work. There is a HUGE difference
    between them. This has been known a long time and confirmed again
    recently. Compliance is everything. From a recent article called "The Big
    Picture of Permanent Weight Loss"

    "...the number one reason diets fail, which is a lack of compliance. The
    lead researcher of this recent study stated:

    ³Our trial found that adherence level rather than diet type was the
    primary predictor of weight loss²(3)

    Translated, it¹s not which diet they chose per se, but their ability to
    actually stick to a diet that predicted their weight loss success."

    Cont:

    http://www.brinkzone.com/articledetails.php?aid=102&acatid=3

    Most diets require a compliance factor of 9.9 on the scale of 10. As far
    as I am concerned, if a diet is so compliant-oriented to begin, then the
    diet is to blame. Hence, dieting doesn't work.

    The other argument is that any dieter who knowingly takes on such a
    diet, and continually repeats the same dieting choice/plan mistake may
    be too dumb to ever learn how to control consumption.

  3. Mu said:
    Will Brink said:
    Quoted message said:

    >> *******************************************************************
    >> Scientists Say Dieting Does Not Work
    >> 10 Apr 2007

    It does not say anything of the sort. It says most people fail to follow
    diets long term, not that diets dont work. There is a HUGE difference
    between them. This has been known a long time and confirmed again
    recently. Compliance is everything. From a recent article called "The Big
    Picture of Permanent Weight Loss"

    "...the number one reason diets fail, which is a lack of compliance. The
    lead researcher of this recent study stated:

    ³Our trial found that adherence level rather than diet type was the
    primary predictor of weight loss²(3)

    Translated, it¹s not which diet they chose per se, but their ability to
    actually stick to a diet that predicted their weight loss success."

    Cont:

    http://www.brinkzone.com/articledetails.php?aid=102&acatid=3

    Most diets require a compliance factor of 9.9 on the scale of 10. As far
    as I am concerned, if a diet is so compliant-oriented to begin, then the
    diet is to blame. Hence, dieting doesn't work.

    The other argument is that any dieter who knowingly takes on such a
    diet, and continually repeats the same dieting choice/plan mistake may
    be too dumb to ever learn how to control consumption.

    Energy out > energy in = weight loss

    The basic equation you two quacks (i.e. Mu and Andy Chunk) refuse to
    acknowledge.

    [support groups snecked, ++sci.physics]

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  4. Art Deco said:
    Mu said:
    Will Brink said:

    >>> *******************************************************************
    >>> Scientists Say Dieting Does Not Work
    >>> 10 Apr 2007

    It does not say anything of the sort. It says most people fail to follow
    diets long term, not that diets dont work. There is a HUGE difference
    between them. This has been known a long time and confirmed again
    recently. Compliance is everything. From a recent article called "The
    Big Picture of Permanent Weight Loss"

    "...the number one reason diets fail, which is a lack of compliance. The
    lead researcher of this recent study stated:

    ³Our trial found that adherence level rather than diet type was the
    primary predictor of weight loss²(3)

    Translated, it¹s not which diet they chose per se, but their ability to
    actually stick to a diet that predicted their weight loss success."

    Cont:

    http://www.brinkzone.com/articledetails.php?aid=102&acatid=3

    Most diets require a compliance factor of 9.9 on the scale of 10. As far
    as I am concerned, if a diet is so compliant-oriented to begin, then the
    diet is to blame. Hence, dieting doesn't work.

    The other argument is that any dieter who knowingly takes on such a
    diet, and continually repeats the same dieting choice/plan mistake may
    be too dumb to ever learn how to control consumption.

    Energy out > energy in = weight loss

    The basic equation you two quacks (i.e. Mu and Andy Chunk) refuse to
    acknowledge.

    have you acknowledged your fat tankass yet?

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  5. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Quoted message said:
    Will Brink said:
    Quoted message said:

    >> *******************************************************************
    >> Scientists Say Dieting Does Not Work
    >> 10 Apr 2007

    It does not say anything of the sort. It says most people fail to follow
    diets long term, not that diets dont work. There is a HUGE difference
    between them. This has been known a long time and confirmed again
    recently. Compliance is everything. From a recent article called "The Big
    Picture of Permanent Weight Loss"

    "...the number one reason diets fail, which is a lack of compliance. The
    lead researcher of this recent study stated:

    ³Our trial found that adherence level rather than diet type was the
    primary predictor of weight loss²(3)

    Translated, it¹s not which diet they chose per se, but their ability to
    actually stick to a diet that predicted their weight loss success."

    Cont:

    http://www.brinkzone.com/articledetails.php?aid=102&acatid=3

    Most diets require a compliance factor of 9.9 on the scale of 10.

    That of course is false and based on your opinion vs any physiology or
    data per say. Yes, compliance is important, as it is for everything in
    life. If you don't study in school, and fail, this is the fault of the
    school or you? End of the day, find a diet you can follow and follow it.
    Article above covers the needed info.

    Quoted message said:

    As far
    as I am concerned, if a diet is so compliant-oriented to begin,

    Life is compliant oriented.

    Quoted message said:

    then the
    diet is to blame. Hence, dieting doesn't work.

    I see logic and science are not your strong point.

    --
    Will @ www.BrinkZone.com

    "It twas ever thus! " - Mr Natural

  6. Will Brink said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    "...the number one reason diets fail, which is a lack of compliance. The
    lead researcher of this recent study stated:

    ³Our trial found that adherence level rather than diet type was the
    primary predictor of weight loss²(3)

    Translated, it¹s not which diet they chose per se, but their ability to
    actually stick to a diet that predicted their weight loss success."

    Cont:

    http://www.brinkzone.com/articledetails.php?aid=102&acatid=3

    Most diets require a compliance factor of 9.9 on the scale of 10.

    That of course is false and based on your opinion vs any physiology or
    data per say.

    It's not false because the opinion has no data, empirically it is easy
    to see that the mainstream diets, most require significant reading,
    comprehension, journaling and/or monitoring, counting of cals or carbs
    or whatever (all of which is rarely accurate by the dieter), weighing,
    supplementation and on and on and on. Since we are talking about success
    as in a lifetime, these diets are built to induce noncompliance not
    obtain it.

    Why? Because you can't as easily sell something simple such as a high
    compliance WOE as the 2PDiet.

    Quoted message said:

    Yes, compliance is important, as it is for everything in
    life. If you don't study in school, and fail, this is the fault of the
    school or you?

    You but who goes to school for life?

    Quoted message said:

    End of the day, find a diet you can follow and follow it.

    That's the whole point, if there were such things, there would be more
    compliance and less obese. It's not just the people, it's the diets
    themselves which are co-contributors to the problem ofcompliance.

    Quoted message said:

    Article above covers the needed info.

    2PDiet covers everything I need.

  7. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Quoted message said:
    Will Brink said:
    Quoted message said:

    >
    > "...the number one reason diets fail, which is a lack of compliance. The
    > lead researcher of this recent study stated:
    >
    > ³Our trial found that adherence level rather than diet type was the
    > primary predictor of weight loss²(3)
    >
    > Translated, it¹s not which diet they chose per se, but their ability to
    > actually stick to a diet that predicted their weight loss success."
    >
    > Cont:
    >
    > http://www.brinkzone.com/articledetails.php?aid=102&acatid=3

    Most diets require a compliance factor of 9.9 on the scale of 10.

    That of course is false and based on your opinion vs any physiology or
    data per say.

    It's not false because the opinion has no data,

    It is false AND based on no data. I didn't say it was false due to lack of data.

    Quoted message said:

    empirically it is easy
    to see that the mainstream diets, most require significant reading,
    comprehension, journaling and/or monitoring, counting of cals or carbs
    or whatever (all of which is rarely accurate by the dieter), weighing,
    supplementation and on and on and on. Since we are talking about success
    as in a lifetime, these diets are built to induce noncompliance not
    obtain it.

    Depending on which diet, the above is often true, yes. Regardless,
    compliance to some form of calorie restriction is what's needed to lose
    weight.

    Quoted message said:


    Why? Because you can't as easily sell something simple such as a high
    compliance WOE as the 2PDiet.

    In most cases, simple is often best, at least in the beginning and
    depending on goals.

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    Yes, compliance is important, as it is for everything in
    life. If you don't study in school, and fail, this is the fault of the
    school or you?

    You but who goes to school for life?

    Who diets for life? Eating well to control your weight after reaching a
    target weight is not dieting. If you are dieting for life, you are doing
    something wrong. Human physiology being what it is, one can't simply eat
    what ever we want, thus at least some control is required as it is for all
    things in life.

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    End of the day, find a diet you can follow and follow it.

    That's the whole point, if there were such things, there would be more
    compliance and less obese. It's not just the people, it's the diets
    themselves which are co-contributors to the problem ofcompliance.

    Depends on the diet. One can come up with a very simple diet thats easy to
    follow, though it may not be healthy, etc.

    spam removed.

    --
    Will @ www.BrinkZone.com

    "It twas ever thus! " - Mr Natural

  8. On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 17:56:42 -0400, in
    sci.med.cardiology,alt.support.diabetes,alt.support.diet,alt.support.diet.low-carb,sci.med.nutrition

    you said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Quoted message said:
    Will Brink said:

    >>
    >> "...the number one reason diets fail, which is a lack of compliance. The
    >> lead researcher of this recent study stated:
    >>
    >> ³Our trial found that adherence level rather than diet type was the
    >> primary predictor of weight loss²(3)
    >>
    >> Translated, it¹s not which diet they chose per se, but their ability to
    >> actually stick to a diet that predicted their weight loss success."
    >>
    >> Cont:
    >>
    >> http://www.brinkzone.com/articledetails.php?aid=102&acatid=3
    >
    > Most diets require a compliance factor of 9.9 on the scale of 10.

    That of course is false and based on your opinion vs any physiology or
    data per say.

    It's not false because the opinion has no data,

    It is false AND based on no data. I didn't say it was false due to lack of data.

    Then produce the data that makes it false.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    empirically it is easy
    to see that the mainstream diets, most require significant reading,
    comprehension, journaling and/or monitoring, counting of cals or carbs
    or whatever (all of which is rarely accurate by the dieter), weighing,
    supplementation and on and on and on. Since we are talking about success
    as in a lifetime, these diets are built to induce noncompliance not
    obtain it.

    Depending on which diet, the above is often true, yes. Regardless,
    compliance to some form of calorie restriction is what's needed to lose
    weight.

    Quoted message said:


    Why? Because you can't as easily sell something simple such as a high
    compliance WOE as the 2PDiet.

    In most cases, simple is often best, at least in the beginning and
    depending on goals.

    Best doesn't sell and revenue drives the diets of the populace, Will.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    Yes, compliance is important, as it is for everything in
    life. If you don't study in school, and fail, this is the fault of the
    school or you?

    You but who goes to school for life?

    Who diets for life? Eating well to control your weight after reaching a
    target weight is not dieting. If you are dieting for life, you are doing
    something wrong. Human physiology being what it is, one can't simply eat
    what ever we want, thus at least some control is required as it is for all
    things in life.

    Semantical argument over the use of the term "diet", you must have
    learned this attitude from Chung lol

    All commercial diets ultimately evolve into a maintenance stage where
    eating this or that over time will = no weight gain. hence, once on a
    diet, the maintenance phase is part of the "diet". Now if you want to
    say "I'm off my diet", then either you skipped the last chapters or you
    are making the word "diet" to mean only the weight loss periods. Fine
    with me, I got off the 2Pound Diet when I hit an optimum weight.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    End of the day, find a diet you can follow and follow it.

    That's the whole point, if there were such things, there would be more
    compliance and less obese. It's not just the people, it's the diets
    themselves which are co-contributors to the problem ofcompliance.

    Depends on the diet. One can come up with a very simple diet thats easy to
    follow, though it may not be healthy, etc.

    Sure, the Ten Ton Air Diet for one.

    Quoted message said:

    spam removed.

    Spam redacted, now returned.

    "2PDiet covers everything I need."

    What's your problem with the 2PDiet?

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