Re: Redgrave's VO2max?

KC said:

Quoted message said:

For example, Lance Armstrong has tiny lungs compared to huge rowers
like Pinsent & co., but his VO2max is comparable to those rowers

Ewoud Dronkert said:

The comparison is flawed; he's a doper cyclist and rowers don't dope.

And dopers don't sprint.

You're both wrong. Rowers, like swimmers, have a lower VO2 max values
because they rely mainly upper body muscle mass which is far smaller
than leg muscle mass, so they would likely never post a VO2 max as
higher or higher than an elite cyclist.

As far as lung size goes, it is irrelevant VO2 max.

CH

Donald Munro said:

KC said:

Quoted message said:

For example, Lance Armstrong has tiny lungs compared to huge rowers
like Pinsent & co., but his VO2max is comparable to those rowers

Ewoud Dronkert said:

The comparison is flawed; he's a doper cyclist and rowers don't dope.

And dopers don't sprint.

Ewoud Dronkert said:

KC said:

For example, Lance Armstrong has tiny lungs compared to huge rowers
like Pinsent & co., but his VO2max is comparable to those rowers

The comparison is flawed; he's a doper cyclist and rowers don't dope.

LOL! So now you've dropped yourself to the level of troll, eh Ewoud?

-KC

Quoted message said:

You're both wrong. Rowers, like swimmers, have a lower VO2 max values
because they rely mainly upper body muscle mass which is far smaller
than leg muscle mass, so they would likely never post a VO2 max as
higher or higher than an elite cyclist.

As far as lung size goes, it is irrelevant VO2 max.

CH

CH,

1) please don't top-post
2) You're obviously not a rower, so why are you here? If you do row, I
think you need some lessons, for your leg drive must be very poor.
Maybe you're thinking of kayaking or canoeing? If so, check out
rec.boats.paddle instead of this group.

Rowers (good ones anyway) develop from 50 to 70% of the power for a
stroke from their leg muscles. Even at the low end of that range,
that's hardly "mainly upper body muscle mass".

The main reason why rowers have smaller specific (aka "relative"😉
VO2max number is because they weigh so darn much. Rowers' absolute
VO2max numbers are as high or higher than any other endurance sport, on
average.

-Kieran

KC said:

LOL! So now you've dropped yourself to the level of troll, eh Ewoud?

Mike told me that's OK.

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E. Dronkert

KC wrote:
2) You're obviously not a rower, so why are you here?

Dumbass,
Its all ewouds fault. If you want to punish him post from
cyclingforums.com.

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Quoted message said:

KC said:

LOL! So now you've dropped yourself to the level of troll, eh Ewoud?

Mike told me that's OK.

Wow, it's been a while since there's been
a crosspost troll. hold on a sec, lemme
pull up a couch and grab some popcorn!!!

:^)

Donald Munro said:

KC wrote:
2) You're obviously not a rower, so why are you here?

Dumbass,
Its all ewouds fault. If you want to punish him post from
cyclingforums.com.

Touché. I did not notice that the crosspost was initiated by Ewoud.

Ewoud, you crossposting knobjockey! For someone who's always bagging
on others for usenetiquite violations, that was pretty lame.

RBR readers: feel free to ignore this thread and let it drift back to
RSR-dom.

-KC

KC said:

Donald Munro said:

KC wrote:
2) You're obviously not a rower, so why are you here?

Dumbass,
Its all ewouds fault. If you want to punish him post from
cyclingforums.com.

Touché. I did not notice that the crosspost was initiated by Ewoud.

Ewoud, you crossposting knobjockey! For someone who's always bagging
on others for usenetiquite violations, that was pretty lame.

RBR readers: feel free to ignore this thread and let it drift back to
RSR-dom.

-KC

It is interesting however that people outside rowing (and some inside)
still perceive it an upper body exercise of pulling rather than a lower
body pushing exercise.

KC said:

RBR readers: feel free to ignore this thread

it has been way too amusing watching you yell at e.d. (apparently aka
the trolling, lame cross-posting, netiquette enforcing knobjockey) to
actually ignore. sorry.

drifting off now,
hh

KC said:

1) please don't top-post
2) You're obviously not a rower, so why are you here? If you do row, I
think you need some lessons, for your leg drive must be very poor.
Maybe you're thinking of kayaking or canoeing? If so, check out
rec.boats.paddle instead of this group.

Rowers (good ones anyway) develop from 50 to 70% of the power for a
stroke from their leg muscles. Even at the low end of that range,
that's hardly "mainly upper body muscle mass".

The main reason why rowers have smaller specific (aka "relative"😉
VO2max number is because they weigh so darn much. Rowers' absolute
VO2max numbers are as high or higher than any other endurance sport, on
average.

Finally, the truth about climate change. It's all those damn
heavy rowers' displacement pushing up the sea level and melting
Antarctica. They're just smugly waiting for the day they can put in
from the Palisades and row down 34th St past the spire of the Empire
State Building. Stop global rowing now!

Ben

KC said:

Quoted message said:

Rowers (good ones anyway) develop from 50 to 70% of the power for a
stroke from their leg muscles. Even at the low end of that range,
that's hardly "mainly upper body muscle mass".

The main reason why rowers have smaller specific (aka "relative"😉
VO2max number is because they weigh so darn much. Rowers' absolute
VO2max numbers are as high or higher than any other endurance sport, on
average.

Quoted message said:

Finally, the truth about climate change. It's all those damn
heavy rowers' displacement pushing up the sea level and melting
Antarctica. They're just smugly waiting for the day they can put in
from the Palisades and row down 34th St past the spire of the Empire
State Building. Stop global rowing now!

You mean rowers have an even worse fatty master problem than we do ?
Although I am a bit worried about the effects of fatty masters races in
California on the fault lines there.

Donald Munro said:

KC said:

Quoted message said:

Rowers (good ones anyway) develop from 50 to 70% of the power for a
stroke from their leg muscles. Even at the low end of that range,
that's hardly "mainly upper body muscle mass".

The main reason why rowers have smaller specific (aka "relative"😉
VO2max number is because they weigh so darn much. Rowers' absolute
VO2max numbers are as high or higher than any other endurance sport, on
average.

Quoted message said:

Finally, the truth about climate change. It's all those damn
heavy rowers' displacement pushing up the sea level and melting
Antarctica. They're just smugly waiting for the day they can put in
from the Palisades and row down 34th St past the spire of the Empire
State Building. Stop global rowing now!

You mean rowers have an even worse fatty master problem than we do ?
Although I am a bit worried about the effects of fatty masters races in
California on the fault lines there.

Average male elite cyclist size: ~70kg, ~175cm tall (154#, 5'9"😉
Average male elite rower size: ~98kg, ~195cm tall (215#, 6'5"😉
bodyfat % would be comparable, but slightly higher for rowers.

-KC

KC said:

Average male elite cyclist size: ~70kg, ~175cm tall (154#, 5'9"😉

BMI = 22.9

Quoted message said:

Average male elite rower size: ~98kg, ~195cm tall (215#, 6'5"😉

BMI = 25.8

Yow. You guys is *fat*.

Quoted message said:

KC said:

Average male elite cyclist size: ~70kg, ~175cm tall (154#, 5'9"😉

Quoted message said:

BMI = 22.9

Quoted message said:

Average male elite rower size: ~98kg, ~195cm tall (215#, 6'5"😉

BMI = 25.8

Robert Chung said:

Yow. You guys is *fat*.

Corollary: Ewoud is fat ?

in message <[email hidden]>, KC

(') said:

Donald Munro said:

KC said:

> Rowers (good ones anyway) develop from 50 to 70% of the power for a
> stroke from their leg muscles. Even at the low end of that range,
> that's hardly "mainly upper body muscle mass".
>
> The main reason why rowers have smaller specific (aka "relative"😉
> VO2max number is because they weigh so darn much. Rowers' absolute
> VO2max numbers are as high or higher than any other endurance
> sport, on average.

Quoted message said:

Finally, the truth about climate change. It's all those damn
heavy rowers' displacement pushing up the sea level and melting
Antarctica. They're just smugly waiting for the day they can put in
from the Palisades and row down 34th St past the spire of the Empire
State Building. Stop global rowing now!

You mean rowers have an even worse fatty master problem than we do ?
Although I am a bit worried about the effects of fatty masters races
in California on the fault lines there.

Average male elite cyclist size: ~70kg, ~175cm tall (154#, 5'9"😉

Yebbut, fattie masters are a wee bit heavier than that...

--
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The Conservative Party now has the support of a smaller proportion of
the electorate in Scotland than Sinn Fein have in Northern Ireland.

in message <[email hidden]>, KC

(') said:

Donald Munro said:

KC wrote:
2) You're obviously not a rower, so why are you here?

Dumbass,
Its all ewouds fault. If you want to punish him post from
cyclingforums.com.

Touché. I did not notice that the crosspost was initiated by Ewoud.

Ewoud, you crossposting knobjockey! For someone who's always bagging
on others for usenetiquite violations, that was pretty lame.

RBR readers: feel free to ignore this thread and let it drift back to
RSR-dom.

No, no. It's rowers who drift. We merely coast (or wheelsuck).

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;; information, though, quite frankly, if you're not the intended
;; recipient and you've got nothing better to do than read other
;; folks' emails then I'm glad to have brightened up your sad little
;; life a tiny bit.

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Quoted message said:

You mean rowers have an even worse fatty master problem than we do ?
Although I am a bit worried about the effects of fatty masters races in
California on the fault lines there.

Wouldn't fat *float*?

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Quoted message said:

KC said:

Average male elite cyclist size: ~70kg, ~175cm tall (154#, 5'9"😉

BMI = 22.9

Quoted message said:

Average male elite rower size: ~98kg, ~195cm tall (215#, 6'5"😉

BMI = 25.8

Yow. You guys is *fat*.

no sunken chests and skinny little shoulders
here!