Re: recumbent video

[Harry (Lincoln, Nebraska)]

I rather like the fact that I am NOT ordinary!!!! I may go up a hill
a little slower. ((I ride a trike)) and it MAY take me a bit longer
to get where I am going. But, I am NOT winded when I get there.

YES, I am closer to the ground and maybe a little bit harder to see.
But I have noticed that I have a lot of drivers giving me a wide
berth. Guess they aren't quite sure what I am exactly!!!!

I am 50 years old ((young)) and feel I deserve to be "pampered" just a
little when I am riding.

 

[Tom Sherman]

ryancycles aka **** "Godfather of Recumbency" Ryan wrote:
>> ...
> The few shops that we dealt with always had only one employee who was
> the "recumbent guy". If he wasn't there the potential customer was
> told he'd have to come back some other time....

I have experienced exactly that!

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"Localized intense suction such as tornadoes is created when temperature
differences are high enough between meeting air masses, and can impart
excessive energy onto a cyclist." - Randy Schlitter

 

[Chalo]

Tom Sherman wrote:
>
> **** Ryan wrote:
> >
> > The few shops that we dealt with always had only one employee who was
> > the "recumbent guy". If he wasn't there the potential customer was
> > told he'd have to come back some other time....
>
> I have experienced exactly that!

If you go into a bike shop with nuanced questions about unicycles, you
might get a similar treatment-- it's hard not to think "umm, who
cares?" when someone asks after a quasi-perverse self-abuse device.
The difference is that a lot more shops actually know where to find a
unicycle to sell to you.

Go into a gun shop asking for a magnetic rail gun, and you'll get some
puzzled looks too. There's no reason _in principle_ that they
shouldn't carry such a thing-- but why would they really?

Chalo

 

[Tom Sherman]

Chalo Colina wrote:
> Tom Sherman wrote:
>> **** Ryan wrote:
>>> The few shops that we dealt with always had only one employee who was
>>> the "recumbent guy". If he wasn't there the potential customer was
>>> told he'd have to come back some other time....
>> I have experienced exactly that!
>
> If you go into a bike shop with nuanced questions about unicycles, you
> might get a similar treatment-- it's hard not to think "umm, who
> cares?" when someone asks after a quasi-perverse self-abuse device.
> The difference is that a lot more shops actually know where to find a
> unicycle to sell to you.

butbutbut, this shop had several new recumbents sitting on the sales
floor, fully assembled, with price tags on them, just a few feet from
where the manager and myself were standing, while the manager was
telling me I had to come back when the "recumbent guy" was there. Their
yellow page advertisement even mentioned that they sold recumbents!

Note that **** Ryan wrote "shops that we dealt with", which implies that
the shops Ryan referred to sold his product (Vanguard single and
Fleetwood/Duplex tandem recumbents).

> Go into a gun shop asking for a magnetic rail gun, and you'll get some
> puzzled looks too. There's no reason _in principle_ that they
> shouldn't carry such a thing-- but why would they really?

If you went into a LBS looking for a cargo bicycle and saw several
sitting on the sales floor fully assembled, but the staff would only
talk to you about drop bar road bikes and FS ATBs, what would your
reaction be?

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"Localized intense suction such as tornadoes is created when temperature
differences are high enough between meeting air masses, and can impart
excessive energy onto a cyclist." - Randy Schlitter

 

[Roger Zoul]

"Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Chalo Colina wrote:
>> Tom Sherman wrote:
>>> **** Ryan wrote:
>>>> The few shops that we dealt with always had only one employee who was
>>>> the "recumbent guy". If he wasn't there the potential customer was
>>>> told he'd have to come back some other time....
>>> I have experienced exactly that!
>>
>> If you go into a bike shop with nuanced questions about unicycles, you
>> might get a similar treatment-- it's hard not to think "umm, who
>> cares?" when someone asks after a quasi-perverse self-abuse device.
>> The difference is that a lot more shops actually know where to find a
>> unicycle to sell to you.
>
> butbutbut, this shop had several new recumbents sitting on the sales
> floor, fully assembled, with price tags on them, just a few feet from
> where the manager and myself were standing, while the manager was telling
> me I had to come back when the "recumbent guy" was there. Their yellow
> page advertisement even mentioned that they sold recumbents!

That is sad to the point of moronic. Shops like this deserve to go out of
business, if you ask me. They'd rather turn a potential repeat customer away
than learn to ride a recumbent in the parking lot (to show newbies how to
get started).

>
> Note that **** Ryan wrote "shops that we dealt with", which implies that
> the shops Ryan referred to sold his product (Vanguard single and
> Fleetwood/Duplex tandem recumbents).
>
>> Go into a gun shop asking for a magnetic rail gun, and you'll get some
>> puzzled looks too. There's no reason _in principle_ that they
>> shouldn't carry such a thing-- but why would they really?
>
> If you went into a LBS looking for a cargo bicycle and saw several sitting
> on the sales floor fully assembled, but the staff would only talk to you
> about drop bar road bikes and FS ATBs, what would your reaction be?

Morons.

 

[Tom Sherman]

Roger Zoul wrote:
> "Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Chalo Colina wrote:
>>> Tom Sherman wrote:
>>>> **** Ryan wrote:
>>>>> The few shops that we dealt with always had only one employee who was
>>>>> the "recumbent guy". If he wasn't there the potential customer was
>>>>> told he'd have to come back some other time....
>>>> I have experienced exactly that!
>>> If you go into a bike shop with nuanced questions about unicycles, you
>>> might get a similar treatment-- it's hard not to think "umm, who
>>> cares?" when someone asks after a quasi-perverse self-abuse device.
>>> The difference is that a lot more shops actually know where to find a
>>> unicycle to sell to you.
>> butbutbut, this shop had several new recumbents sitting on the sales
>> floor, fully assembled, with price tags on them, just a few feet from
>> where the manager and myself were standing, while the manager was telling
>> me I had to come back when the "recumbent guy" was there. Their yellow
>> page advertisement even mentioned that they sold recumbents!
>
> That is sad to the point of moronic. Shops like this deserve to go out of
> business, if you ask me. They'd rather turn a potential repeat customer away
> than learn to ride a recumbent in the parking lot (to show newbies how to
> get started)....

A lot of shops carried recumbents in the mini-boom of the late 1990's.
Many suffered from the problem of having a staff of young wannabe
racers, who were working there mainly to get bicycles and parts at
wholesale, and had no interest in anything but racing bicycles. Those
shops that went to the trouble to find staff that actually understood
recumbent bicycles and carried a wide enough variety to suit potential
customers are still selling recumbents today, and likely making an
acceptable profit doing so.

The demise of recumbents from Cannondale and Trek is not surprising in
this light (and the fact that both were overpriced), since there would
be one or two lonely recumbents sitting in the shop corner that none of
the staff wanted to deal with. One wonders if this was part of the
demise of ATP Vision, since they managed to sign up a lot of LBSs in the
late 1990s, most of which did not make any real effort after than to
promote or sell the bikes.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"Localized intense suction such as tornadoes is created when temperature
differences are high enough between meeting air masses, and can impart
excessive energy onto a cyclist." - Randy Schlitter

 

[Tom Sherman]

Edward Dolan wrote:
> "Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> [...]
>> Hey Ed, your quoting hierarchy is all messed up!
>
> **** Ryan's message showed up on my OE newsreader without any quotation
> marks at all, so I added some to his and then some more to mine so as to at
> least make it readable. The main thing is to keep clear who is saying what
> and my markings accomplished that.

Sorry, but they did not. Your post made it appear is if you wrote some
of ****'s posting that you were quoting.

I would rather use the Google web interface than OE for Usenet. Why not
try Thunderbird [1] (NOT this Thunderbird [2])? The price is within your
budget - Thunderbird is free!

[1] <http://mozzila.org/>.
[2] <http://www.bumwine.com/tbird.html>.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"Localized intense suction such as tornadoes is created when temperature
differences are high enough between meeting air masses, and can impart
excessive energy onto a cyclist." - Randy Schlitter

 

[tam]

"Jon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> newsgroups trimmed.
>
> "Peter Clinch" <[email protected]> wrote
>
> Perhaps because I don't ride with RealCyclists(tm), or maybe
> because they're so high and fast when pass without seeing me,
> I hardly ever hear this sort of dogma from other riders.
>
>
>> ryancycles wrote:
>>> They don't go up hills.
>
> Then why am I not stuck in a valley?
>
>>> They are too heavy.
>
> Compared to what? My self-sustained touring setup is within
> 5% or less of a similarly equipped upright touring bike. My
> "utility recumbent" is not unreasonably heavier than many
> upright "beater/errand" bikes wit fenders and baskets. My
> road recumbent is not an ultralight, either, but the 4-7 pounds
> difference for a similarly priced upright road bike is insignificant
> compared to the spare tire I'm (and even many upright cyclists)
> are carrying in body weight!
>
>>> They are too low to the ground.
>>> "that thing's so low, you're invisible!"
>
> Oh. Have you seen my six foot rabbit named Harvey, too? %^)
>
>>> They're slow.
>
> Maybe with me on it! But not with one of the many
> recumbent bicycle speed world record holders.
>
>>> Real men ride REAL bicycles!
>
> With such potential personal problems proximate to their
> upright bike seats, it's perhaps particularly appropriate that
> they view their bike choice as proof of manhood... %^P
>
A hearty second to that.

Those of us that have put in a modest 15000+ miles on recumbents know of
what we speak.
If you are lugging camping gear bike weight is not important-there are of
course-light weight recumbents on the market.
I do not understand why recumbents have not caught on for touring I am
forced to consider "serious" cyclists consider
discomfort an inevitable experience of cycling.
Tam

 

[Tom Sherman]

Edward Dolan wrote:
> "Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> [....]
>> The demise of recumbents from Cannondale and Trek is not surprising in
>> this light (and the fact that both were overpriced), since there would be
>> one or two lonely recumbents sitting in the shop corner that none of the
>> staff wanted to deal with. One wonders if this was part of the demise of
>> ATP Vision, since they managed to sign up a lot of LBSs in the late 1990s,
>> most of which did not make any real effort after than to promote or sell
>> the bikes.
>
> I think Vision simply tried to get too large too quick and that it did not
> have much to do with the bike shops. It came as quite a surprise to me when
> they suddenly went out of business.

Part of ATP Vision trying to get large was signing up a lot of bicycle
shops - if I recall correctly, they had many more official dealers than
RANS, while selling about the same number of bicycles.

At least ATP closed shop in an honorable manner, unlike BikeE which
assured everyone that things were fine, leaving dealers and suppliers
holding the bag. Note that many of the principles at BikeE landed at BigHa.

> I think the lesson for recumbent
> manufacturers is to stay small, even if it means you have to rely on mail
> order catalogs. Unless you actually want to ride a recumbent before you buy,
> a good mail order catalog will tell you everything you will ever want to
> know. The RANS brochure comes immediately to mind and Bacchetta has a very
> good one too. I have purchased all of my many recumbents based on catalogs
> (brochures) and I have never been disappointed.

I think brochures have been replaced for the most part by Internet web
sites - most anyone in the market for a recumbent has an Internet
connection.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"Localized intense suction such as tornadoes is created when temperature
differences are high enough between meeting air masses, and can impart
excessive energy onto a cyclist." - Randy Schlitter

 

[Tom Sherman]

Edward Dolan wrote:
> "Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Edward Dolan wrote:
>>> "Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>> [...]
>>>> Hey Ed, your quoting hierarchy is all messed up!
>>> **** Ryan's message showed up on my OE newsreader without any quotation
>>> marks at all, so I added some to his and then some more to mine so as to
>>> at least make it readable. The main thing is to keep clear who is saying
>>> what and my markings accomplished that.
>> Sorry, but they did not. Your post made it appear is if you wrote some of
>> ****'s posting that you were quoting.
>
> It did not appear that way from my newsreader. 99% of all messages show up
> properly on my newsreader. Those few that don't are most likely the fault of
> the poster and not my newsreader. I have noted in the past that some of Jim
> McNamara's messages also do not appear with the proper quotation marks. But
> these anomalies are few and far between.

It is well known that OE does some odd things that do not fit Usenet
standards. That you post appears fine on OE does not mean that it is fine.

>> I would rather use the Google web interface than OE for Usenet. Why not
>> try Thunderbird [1] (NOT this Thunderbird [2])? The price is within your
>> budget - Thunderbird is free!
>
> The Google web interface is impossible. I hate it! The fact that my message
> in response to **** Ryan's showed up wrong on your newsreader leads me to
> believe there is something wrong at your end.

Highly unlikely.

> I do not see the sense of going to the web when I have it (a newsreader)
> already on my operating system closely integrated with everything else. What
> am I missing?

Note that I was NOT recommending a web based interface for Usenet,
mainly that it would be preferable to OE. There are many program out
there better than OE for use as newsreaders.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"Localized intense suction such as tornadoes is created when temperature
differences are high enough between meeting air masses, and can impart
excessive energy onto a cyclist." - Randy Schlitter

 

[Tom Sherman]

Edward Dolan wrote:
> "Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Edward Dolan wrote:
>>> "Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> Edward Dolan wrote:
>>>>> "Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>> [...]
>>>>>> Hey Ed, your quoting hierarchy is all messed up!
>>>>> **** Ryan's message showed up on my OE newsreader without any quotation
>>>>> marks at all, so I added some to his and then some more to mine so as
>>>>> to at least make it readable. The main thing is to keep clear who is
>>>>> saying what and my markings accomplished that.
>>>> Sorry, but they did not. Your post made it appear is if you wrote some
>>>> of ****'s posting that you were quoting.
>>> It did not appear that way from my newsreader. 99% of all messages show
>>> up properly on my newsreader. Those few that don't are most likely the
>>> fault of the poster and not my newsreader. I have noted in the past that
>>> some of Jim McNamara's messages also do not appear with the proper
>>> quotation marks. But these anomalies are few and far between.
>> It is well known that OE does some odd things that do not fit Usenet
>> standards. That you post appears fine on OE does not mean that it is fine.
>
> Nope, if it appeared fine on my newsreader, I can only assume that I did it
> correctly. I am now using Vista instead of XP, so I think OE is no more. It
> is now Windows Mail.

"Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0" to be precise.

Since micro$oft is so large, they feel no need to adhere to standards.

>>>> I would rather use the Google web interface than OE for Usenet. Why not
>>>> try Thunderbird [1] (NOT this Thunderbird [2])? The price is within your
>>>> budget - Thunderbird is free!
>>> The Google web interface is impossible. I hate it! The fact that my
>>> message in response to **** Ryan's showed up wrong on your newsreader
>>> leads me to believe there is something wrong at your end.
>> Highly unlikely.
>
> The web is often messed up for one reason or another. I trust my own
> computer operating system more than I do anything on the web.

Usenet is not the World Wide Web.

>>> I do not see the sense of going to the web when I have it (a newsreader)
>>> already on my operating system closely integrated with everything else.
>>> What am I missing?
>> Note that I was NOT recommending a web based interface for Usenet, mainly
>> that it would be preferable to OE. There are many program out there better
>> than OE for use as newsreaders.
>
> What is the advantage of using Yahoo (which is web based) like you are
> compared to my own OS newsreader? My ISP fully supports the newsreader. It
> just doesn't make any sense to go elsewhere.

My ISP is no additional charge - something that should appeal to the
frugal Mr. Dolan.

> Why did you stop using that free newsreader based in Germany?

Since I am still using <news.motzarella.org>[1], which is free and based
in Germany, this question makes no sense. Secondly, it is a "news
server" and not a "newsreader". I am using Thunderbird [2] as a
newsreader, which is also free.

[1] As a look at the headers would reveal, if Windows Mail is capable of
such.
[2] ibid.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"Localized intense suction such as tornadoes is created when temperature
differences are high enough between meeting air masses, and can impart
excessive energy onto a cyclist." - Randy Schlitter

 

[DougC]

Edward Dolan wrote:
> All uprights are basically the same given a few degrees of difference here
> and there. A $75. Holiday Huffy is not all that different from a $2000.
> Cinelli road bike as far as the basic design goes.

This is one odd point about upright bicycles--the biggest complaint that
LBS's probably hear is riding discomfort, yet spending more for an
upright bicycle doesn't get you anything more comfortable, it only gets
you something that weighs less--which is not usually a major complaint.

Bicycle companies have known this for a long time, they've pretty much
given up on claiming that any of their upper-end bikes are comfortable.
They emphasize low weights and "racing heritage".

> Trikes are a special
> breed and can be designed as crazily as anyone desires. Deltas are more
> bike-like and tadpoles are more go-cart-like.
>

I contend that tadpole trikes are inferior to deltas, for the simple
reason that the steering mechanisms of tadpoles is more-susceptible to
flexing and misalignment, and therefore more likely to suffer scrub
losses. The only advantage a typical (low-set) tadpole can claim is that
it can sustain higher cornering forces than a typical delta--but most of
the time when one rides any kind of bicycle, one is riding in basically
straight lines. It doesn't make any sense to choose a trike that
sacrifices straight-line riding riding efficiency for extra cornering
ability, when most of the time you're going to be riding in straight lines.

> Surely there is an ideal recumbent that is best suited for the general
> population.
>

I would opine that the standard LWB would be it. Most everyone who has
tried test-riding my LWB could do it fairly quickly, but many of the
same group of people could not ride the 20/26" SWB I owned previously.
......
In that respect--we might view anything shorter than a standard LWB as a
bike that is trying to maintain the LWB comfort, while trying to avoid
all the LWB weight. The weight is not usually a problem however, if the
local terrain is even moderately flat then comfort is typically a much
larger issue.

-------

Overwhelmingly the impression I get from other cyclists is that they are
more concerned with looking odd than they are with being physically
uncomfortable.

I doubt I'll live to see recumbents become mainstream. To recognize the
advantages, one must ride a lot of miles on them often. The conditions
necessary to force a lot of US drivers onto bicycles would be drastic,
to put it mildly.
~

 

[Harry (Lincoln, Nebraska)]

""A $75. Holiday Huffy is not all that different from a $2000.""

That's according to Edward Dolan who seems to be a self-appointed
"expert" on everything. I am so glad that I plonked him a long time
ago.

To think that there is little difference in those bikes is ludicrous.
Take a look at the components, weld lines and just about everything
else. The only advantage is....when they break down you simply toss
them in a trash can and go get another one.


However, that's not why I am posting here. I just purchased a Sun
Tadpole. And I can certainly relate to the cornering problems. But I
didn't get it to see how fast I can make a turn. I got it as I am
planning a long distance trip and wanted something that wold be
comfortable and avoid those joint pains and numbness that I was
getting on an upright. Something the bike shops DON'T tell you about.
I alson pull a BoB trailer so when I am out and about with the entire
"RIG" I draw a lot of attention. And I definitely don't mind the
questions that are inevitable with it. Kind of fun actually!!!!!!

Anyway, if anyone has some constructive ideas for additions and
add-ons for it they would be greatly appreciated!!!!!!

 

[Tom Sherman]

Edward Dolan wrote:
> "Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Edward Dolan wrote:
> [...]
>>> What is the advantage of using Yahoo (which is web based) like you are
>>> compared to my own OS newsreader? My ISP fully supports the newsreader.
>>> It just doesn't make any sense to go elsewhere.
>> My ISP is no additional charge - something that should appeal to the
>> frugal Mr. Dolan.
>
> There is no additional charge for my Windows Mail newsreader either. I still
> do not see what is the advantage of using Yahoo, unless you have to use it
> in connection with your "news server."

Where does Mr. Dolan get this idea that Yahoo has anything to do with
how I use Usenet (other than a reply to email address)?

>>> Why did you stop using that free newsreader based in Germany?
>> Since I am still using <news.motzarella.org>[1], which is free and based
>> in Germany, this question makes no sense.
>
> Well, it does make some sense since they obviously changed their name. I do
> not see the 'de' anymore.

That was the service which is now news.individual.net, which is no
longer free.

> Secondly, it is a "news
>> server" and not a "newsreader".
>
> Are they not one and the same? Pray tell, who is my news server? Is it my
> ISP which is "news.iw.net"? Again, if so, I am not paying anything extra for
> this.

No, a news server is something that collects and propagates Usenet
messages. A newsreader is software you install on your computer that
allows you to read and post using the news server.

Your news server appears to be <http://www.giganews.com>, which iw.net
may well provide at no additional charge.

> I am using Thunderbird [2] as a
>> newsreader, which is also free.
>
> So Thunderbird is part of Yahoo then?

No, Thunderbird is provided as free-ware by the Mozilla Foundation, and
is a continuation of the old Netscape News and Mail, which itself is a
continuation of work done by someone at 6th & Springfield [1] and has
nothing at all to do with Yahoo.

> It seems you are going a long way
> around for not much benefit that I can see. Does not your ISP give you
> everything my ISP gives me at no extra charge? I am assuming your OS is
> Windows XP.

The benefit of not using micro$oft products to interface with the
outside world, is that 99+% of email viruses and other nasties are
written to attach micro$oft products. In addition, micro$oft products do
odd, non-standard things at times, and are clunky for this use.

> I would like you to tell me the benefits of your "news server" and your
> "newsreader" compared to mine. Put on your professor's cap and try to focus
> on that question s'il vous plait. I think there are other members of the
> group who would like to know something about this too.

See above. Cost, user interface, avoiding micro$oft related nasties.

>> [1] As a look at the headers would reveal, if Windows Mail is capable of
>> such.
>
> I never look at headers. That is for technical types.
>
>> [2] ibid.
>
> Ditto.

Sheesh!

> But since you know so much about headers, why is it that you could never
> figure out who Johnny NoCom was? Was he smarter than you perhaps - or just a
> criminal? Jon Meinecke could never figure out any of it either and yet he
> seemed to know a lot about Usenet and how it works.

It is very difficult to track people down on the Internet, unless you
have access to ISP records (e.g. FBI, CIA, Homeland Security, etc.). In
many ways this is unfortunate, since allows for endless amount of spam
that the originators do not have to pay for (bandwidth costs money) and
anonymous cowards on Usenet.

[1] No, the 6th & Springfield part is NOT a joke.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"Localized intense suction such as tornadoes is created when temperature
differences are high enough between meeting air masses, and can impart
excessive energy onto a cyclist." - Randy Schlitter

 

[Steve Gravrock]

On 2007-12-08, DougC <[email protected]> wrote:
> Edward Dolan wrote:

>> Surely there is an ideal recumbent that is best suited for the general
>> population.
>>
>
> I would opine that the standard LWB would be it. Most everyone who has
> tried test-riding my LWB could do it fairly quickly, but many of the
> same group of people could not ride the 20/26" SWB I owned previously.

What do LWB riders do about storage? Even regular uprights have been a
bit of a pain to maneuver in and out of most of the apartments I've
lived in, due to small landings or contrained spaces inside the door. I
can't imagine that it would be any easier with a bike that's a couple of
feet longer.

 

[Tom Sherman]

Steve Gravrock wrote:
> On 2007-12-08, DougC <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Edward Dolan wrote:
>
>>> Surely there is an ideal recumbent that is best suited for the general
>>> population.
>>>
>> I would opine that the standard LWB would be it. Most everyone who has
>> tried test-riding my LWB could do it fairly quickly, but many of the
>> same group of people could not ride the 20/26" SWB I owned previously.
>
> What do LWB riders do about storage? Even regular uprights have been a
> bit of a pain to maneuver in and out of most of the apartments I've
> lived in, due to small landings or contrained spaces inside the door. I
> can't imagine that it would be any easier with a bike that's a couple of
> feet longer.

Oh foo! I kept a LWB recumbent, a SWB recumbent an ATB and a BoB trailer
in a 350 sq. ft. efficiency apartment. I had to negotiate four (4)
flights of stairs with tight corners on the landings.

Note that it is actually easier to manuveur a LWB in tight spaces, since
the chainring out front on a SWB tends to scratch and mar things in its
path.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"Localized intense suction such as tornadoes is created when temperature
differences are high enough between meeting air masses, and can impart
excessive energy onto a cyclist." - Randy Schlitter

 

[Tom Keats]

In article <[email protected]>,
Tom Sherman <[email protected]> writes:
> Steve Gravrock wrote:

>> What do LWB riders do about storage? Even regular uprights have been a
>> bit of a pain to maneuver in and out of most of the apartments I've
>> lived in, due to small landings or contrained spaces inside the door. I
>> can't imagine that it would be any easier with a bike that's a couple of
>> feet longer.
>
> Oh foo! I kept a LWB recumbent, a SWB recumbent an ATB and a BoB trailer
> in a 350 sq. ft. efficiency apartment. I had to negotiate four (4)
> flights of stairs with tight corners on the landings.

That must've been quite a ride.


cheers,
Tom

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I'm really at:
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[Tom Sherman]

Edward Dolan wrote:
> "Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Edward Dolan wrote:
>>> "Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> Edward Dolan wrote:
>>> [...]
>>>>> What is the advantage of using Yahoo (which is web based) like you are
>>>>> compared to my own OS newsreader? My ISP fully supports the
>>>>> newsreader. It just doesn't make any sense to go elsewhere.
>>>> My ISP is no additional charge - something that should appeal to the
>>>> frugal Mr. Dolan.
>>> There is no additional charge for my Windows Mail newsreader either. I
>>> still do not see what is the advantage of using Yahoo, unless you have to
>>> use it in connection with your "news server."
>> Where does Mr. Dolan get this idea that Yahoo has anything to do with how
>> I use Usenet (other than a reply to email address)?
>
> I see the following gibberish right after your name when I open your message
> to do a reply:
>
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
> You must be using Yahoo somehow! If an email address, why not your ISP email
> address?

I will use whatever email address I want.

>>>>> Why did you stop using that free newsreader based in Germany?
>>>> Since I am still using <news.motzarella.org>[1], which is free and based
>>>> in Germany, this question makes no sense.
>>> Well, it does make some sense since they obviously changed their name. I
>>> do not see the 'de' anymore.
>> That was the service which is now news.individual.net, which is no longer
>> free.
>>
>>> Secondly, it is a "news
>>>> server" and not a "newsreader".
>>> Are they not one and the same? Pray tell, who is my news server? Is it my
>>> ISP which is "news.iw.net"? Again, if so, I am not paying anything extra
>>> for this.
>> No, a news server is something that collects and propagates Usenet
>> messages. A newsreader is software you install on your computer that
>> allows you to read and post using the news server.
>
> Thanks! I never really understood any of that. Now I do!
>
>> Your news server appears to be <http://www.giganews.com>, which iw.net may
>> well provide at no additional charge.
>
> I did not know that. All I have ever noticed was the "news.iw.net" which I
> thought was my ISP news server.

Well, your headers list giganews as your Usenet provider.

>>> I am using Thunderbird [2] as a
>>>> newsreader, which is also free.
>>> So Thunderbird is part of Yahoo then?
>> No, Thunderbird is provided as free-ware by the Mozilla Foundation, and is
>> a continuation of the old Netscape News and Mail, which itself is a
>> continuation of work done by someone at 6th & Springfield [1] and has
>> nothing at all to do with Yahoo.
>>
>>> It seems you are going a long way around for not much benefit that I can
>>> see. Does not your ISP give you everything my ISP gives me at no extra
>>> charge? I am assuming your OS is Windows XP.
>> The benefit of not using micro$oft products to interface with the outside
>> world, is that 99+% of email viruses and other nasties are written to
>> attach micro$oft products. In addition, micro$oft products do odd,
>> non-standard things at times, and are clunky for this use.
>
> But if you don't open unknown attachments what is the risk? Windows Mail,
> like Outlook Express before it, is as smooth and easy as it gets. I think
> you have gone to a lot of trouble to get around Microsoft for nothing. I do
> use Firefox for my browser, but I notice there are nasties beginning to
> invade it too, just like Internet Explorer. Not even Apple can guarantee
> anything to be safe.

Do you run a good anti-spyware program? If not, you likely have a lot of
unwanted **** installed on your computer.

>>> I would like you to tell me the benefits of your "news server" and your
>>> "newsreader" compared to mine. Put on your professor's cap and try to
>>> focus on that question s'il vous plait. I think there are other members
>>> of the group who would like to know something about this too.
>> See above. Cost, user interface, avoiding micro$oft related nasties.
>
> There is no cost involved and your prejudice against Microsoft borders on
> paranoia, but you may well have your reasons. The interface could not be
> better.

Sorry, but I am forced to use Outlook at work. That is enough.

>>>> [1] As a look at the headers would reveal, if Windows Mail is capable of
>>>> such.
>>> I never look at headers. That is for technical types.
>>>
>>>> [2] ibid.
>>> Ditto.
>> Sheesh!
>>
>>> But since you know so much about headers, why is it that you could never
>>> figure out who Johnny NoCom was? Was he smarter than you perhaps - or
>>> just a criminal? Jon Meinecke could never figure out any of it either and
>>> yet he seemed to know a lot about Usenet and how it works.
>> It is very difficult to track people down on the Internet, unless you have
>> access to ISP records (e.g. FBI, CIA, Homeland Security, etc.). In many
>> ways this is unfortunate, since allows for endless amount of spam that the
>> originators do not have to pay for (bandwidth costs money) and anonymous
>> cowards on Usenet.
>
> Understood. Thanks.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"Localized intense suction such as tornadoes is created when temperature
differences are high enough between meeting air masses, and can impart
excessive energy onto a cyclist." - Randy Schlitter

 

[Tom Sherman]

Tom Keats wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Tom Sherman <[email protected]> writes:
>> Steve Gravrock wrote:
>
>>> What do LWB riders do about storage? Even regular uprights have been a
>>> bit of a pain to maneuver in and out of most of the apartments I've
>>> lived in, due to small landings or contrained spaces inside the door. I
>>> can't imagine that it would be any easier with a bike that's a couple of
>>> feet longer.
>> Oh foo! I kept a LWB recumbent, a SWB recumbent an ATB and a BoB trailer
>> in a 350 sq. ft. efficiency apartment. I had to negotiate four (4)
>> flights of stairs with tight corners on the landings.
>
> That must've been quite a ride.

Yep, who says recumbents can't do stairs!

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"Localized intense suction such as tornadoes is created when temperature
differences are high enough between meeting air masses, and can impart
excessive energy onto a cyclist." - Randy Schlitter

 

[tam]

> However, that's not why I am posting here. I just purchased a Sun
> Tadpole. And I can certainly relate to the cornering problems. But I
> didn't get it to see how fast I can make a turn. I got it as I am
> planning a long distance trip and wanted something that wold be
> comfortable and avoid those joint pains and numbness that I was
> getting on an upright. Something the bike shops DON'T tell you about.
> I alson pull a BoB trailer so when I am out and about with the entire
> "RIG" I draw a lot of attention. And I definitely don't mind the
> questions that are inevitable with it. Kind of fun actually!!!!!!
>
I have ridden my tadpole trike for 10 years in commute mode and cycle camp
mode.
You will find your trike a comfortable partner gearing is fairly critical on
a trike.
I use 7x3 Sachs hub with a triple chain on the front that allows me to climb
a gradient to the minimum tyre grip.
On the Northern European plains I only need 27 of my 63 ratio s in Holland 7
gears will do.
I need the 63 range for Scotland.
You should concentrate on toughness and simplicity of components for touring
ruthlessly check components-spoke tension etc.
Build a few wheels-its quite easy on 26-20 inch rims----side loading is high
on 20 inch rims--go for double butted spokes to save maintenance.
I have ridden my trike at 60 MPH plus in the mountains if your trike is well
balanced all 3 wheels will scrub at the same time--speed lowers fast.
If the back breaks away check weight distribution tracking etc.
Tyres should wear evenly I get pretty high mileages out of mine--mind you I
do not hit the brakes often!.
Tam