Re: Question for Andrew Chung

"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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GaryG said:

Andrew - you seem to be ignoring my request for comment in the thread

titled

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"lowering of metabolism after weight loss" (in alt.support.diet, and

other

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ng's). The thread can be found here:

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.support.diet/browse_frm/thread/089f75d28c68b0a7/2fef1e9ce8fa7257#2fef1e9ce8fa7257

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or, http://tinyurl.com/dp5mv

Your silence in response in this matter is unusual, because you normally
reply to every post made to you. But perhaps your newsreader is

experiencing

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technical difficulties, so I'll restate my questions here.

On Sunday, you strongly inferred that another poster (Stacey Bender) was
"psychotic". Specifically, you said:

"Your belief that you have been hearing my voice suggests that you might

be

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psychotic. Are you taking medications for schizophrenia?".

Reviewing Stacey's prior posts, I was unable to find any in which she
claimed to have heard your voice

"Yet you **said** you did know what was in its mind. I wonder why that
was?"

Oh, please, Andrew....using the word "said" in the context of a series of
usenet postings is common practice. It is synonymous with "wrote", and does
not in any way imply that they are claiming to have heard your voice. You
should know this.

So, that leaves a couple of possbilities:

1) You misunderstood her meaning, due to your lack of understanding of
idiomatic English.
If this is the case, then you made a mistake when you strongly inferred on
that basis that she is "psychotic". If this was your mistake, do you owe
her an apology?

2) You are grasping at a straw to bolster your argument, and avoid taking
responsibility for losing your temper aind inferring that another poster is
mentally ill.

I strongly suspect the latter, as that seems to be your style in these
matters, but I await your further clarification.

GG

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(emphasis added)

http://makeashorterlink.com/?Z2B732AEA

Truth is simple.

http://makeashorterlink.com/?P2264129A

The way to the truth is straight and narrow:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?A2642108A

Again, Lord Christ teaches from Matthew 5:

11Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely
say all kinds of evil against you because of me. 12Rejoice and be glad,
because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they
persecuted the prophets who were before you.

You will remain in my prayers, dear Gary, whom I love, in Lord Christ's
holy name.

May you reject your pride and accept Him as your personal Lord and
Savior, someday, so that you too will have eternal life and the
fascinating riches of His everlasting kingdom.

Here's how:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He is
the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2 which
is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments, the 2
arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the
Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the
2PD-OMER Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make
His presence known here on Usenet :-)

Also, note that Exodus 16:16 continues to remind us that 16 oz plus 16
oz makes 2 pounds, which is "a certain measure of weight," which is what
"omer" literally means in Hebrew.

Enter the 2PD-OMER Approach, which can "cure" metabolic syndrome thereby
bringing this thread back on topic :-)

http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp

At His service,

Andrew

--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist

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GaryG said:

"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

GaryG said:

Andrew - you seem to be ignoring my request for comment in the thread

titled

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

"lowering of metabolism after weight loss" (in alt.support.diet, and

other

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

ng's). The thread can be found here:

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.support.diet/browse_frm/thread/089f75d28c68b0a7/2fef1e9ce8fa7257#2fef1e9ce8fa7257

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or, http://tinyurl.com/dp5mv

Your silence in response in this matter is unusual, because you normally
reply to every post made to you. But perhaps your newsreader is

experiencing

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technical difficulties, so I'll restate my questions here.

On Sunday, you strongly inferred that another poster (Stacey Bender) was
"psychotic". Specifically, you said:

"Your belief that you have been hearing my voice suggests that you might

be

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psychotic. Are you taking medications for schizophrenia?".

Reviewing Stacey's prior posts, I was unable to find any in which she
claimed to have heard your voice

"Yet you **said** you did know what was in its mind. I wonder why that
was?"

Oh, please, Andrew....using the word "said" in the context of a series of
usenet postings is common practice. It is synonymous with "wrote", and does
not in any way imply that they are claiming to have heard your voice. You
should know this.

I am as unable to "know this" as you were "unable to find" what I have
provided for you.

Truth is simple.

At His service,

Andrew

--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist

**
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(5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A
(6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A
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GaryG said:

"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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GaryG said:

Andrew - you seem to be ignoring my request for comment in the

thread

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titled

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

"lowering of metabolism after weight loss" (in alt.support.diet,

and

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other

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

ng's). The thread can be found here:

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.support.diet/browse_frm/thread/089f75d28c68b0a7/2fef1e9ce8fa7257#2fef1e9ce8fa7257

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or, http://tinyurl.com/dp5mv

Your silence in response in this matter is unusual, because you

normally

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Quoted message said:

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reply to every post made to you. But perhaps your newsreader is

experiencing

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technical difficulties, so I'll restate my questions here.

On Sunday, you strongly inferred that another poster (Stacey

Bender) was

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

"psychotic". Specifically, you said:

"Your belief that you have been hearing my voice suggests that

you might

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be

Quoted message said:

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psychotic. Are you taking medications for schizophrenia?".

Reviewing Stacey's prior posts, I was unable to find any in which

she

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claimed to have heard your voice

"Yet you **said** you did know what was in its mind. I wonder why

that

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was?"

Oh, please, Andrew....using the word "said" in the context of a

series of

Quoted message said:

usenet postings is common practice. It is synonymous with "wrote",

and does

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not in any way imply that they are claiming to have heard your voice.

You

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should know this.

So, that leaves a couple of possbilities:

1) You misunderstood her meaning, due to your lack of understanding

of

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idiomatic English.
If this is the case, then you made a mistake when you strongly

inferred on

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that basis that she is "psychotic". If this was your mistake, do you

owe

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her an apology?

2) You are grasping at a straw to bolster your argument, and avoid

taking

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responsibility for losing your temper aind inferring that another

poster is

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mentally ill.

I strongly suspect the latter, as that seems to be your style in

these

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matters, but I await your further clarification.

GG

3) His purpose here is to be argumentative.

"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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GaryG said:

"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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GaryG wrote:
>
> Andrew - you seem to be ignoring my request for comment in the thread

titled

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> "lowering of metabolism after weight loss" (in alt.support.diet, and

other

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> ng's). The thread can be found here:
>
>

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.support.diet/browse_frm/thread/089f75d28c68b0a7/2fef1e9ce8fa7257#2fef1e9ce8fa7257

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>
> or, http://tinyurl.com/dp5mv
>
> Your silence in response in this matter is unusual, because you
> normally
> reply to every post made to you. But perhaps your newsreader is

experiencing

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> technical difficulties, so I'll restate my questions here.
>
> On Sunday, you strongly inferred that another poster (Stacey Bender)
> was
> "psychotic". Specifically, you said:
>
> "Your belief that you have been hearing my voice suggests that you
> might

be

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> psychotic. Are you taking medications for schizophrenia?".
>
> Reviewing Stacey's prior posts, I was unable to find any in which she
> claimed to have heard your voice

"Yet you **said** you did know what was in its mind. I wonder why that
was?"

Oh, please, Andrew....using the word "said" in the context of a series of
usenet postings is common practice. It is synonymous with "wrote", and
does
not in any way imply that they are claiming to have heard your voice.
You
should know this.

I am as unable to "know this" as you were "unable to find" what I have
provided for you.

There is this neat book called a "dictionary." If you read the entry for
said, it says it is the past tense of "say." And Webster's says this about
'say':
Main Entry: 1say
Pronunciation: 'sA, Southern also 'se
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): said /'sed, esp when subject follows s&d/; say·ing
/'sA-i[ng]/; says /'sez, sometimes 'sAz, esp when subject follows s&z/
Etymology: Middle English, from Old English secgan; akin to Old High German
sagEn to say, Lithuanian sakyti, Greek ennepein to speak, tell
transitive senses
1 a : to express in words : STATE b : to state as opinion or belief :
DECLARE
2 a : UTTER, PRONOUNCE b : RECITE, REPEAT <say your prayers>
3 a : INDICATE, SHOW <the clock says five minutes after twelve> b : to give
expression to : COMMUNICATE <a glance that said all that was necessary>
intransitive senses : to express oneself : SPEAK
- say·er /'sA-&r, 'se(-&😉r/ noun
- say uncle : to admit defeat
- that is to say : in other words : in effect

<end quote>

Although it is often used to indicate spoken lanquage, it also means (3b) to
give expression to. It is very common hear, "The newspaper said ..." or the
"website said...." as the cambridge dictionary says:

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=70070&dict=CALD

Definition
say (GIVE INFORMATION) [Show phonetics]
verb [T] said, said
to give information in writing, numbers or signs:
My watch says 3 o'clock.
Can you read what that notice says?
[+ (that)] It says in the paper (that) they've found the man who did it.
[+ to infinitive] It says on the bottle to take three tablets a day.

<end quote>

I hope that when a patient asks you about medication, and she says, "The
bottle said to take one tablet, twice a day," you don't think the bottle is
litterally talking to her.

Jeff

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Truth is simple.

At His service,

Andrew

--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist

**
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(7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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GaryG said:

"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

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GaryG wrote:
>
> Andrew - you seem to be ignoring my request for comment in the

thread

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

titled

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> "lowering of metabolism after weight loss" (in alt.support.diet, and

other

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> ng's). The thread can be found here:
>
>

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.support.diet/browse_frm/thread/089f75d28c68b0a7/2fef1e9ce8fa7257#2fef1e9ce8fa7257

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>
> or, http://tinyurl.com/dp5mv
>
> Your silence in response in this matter is unusual, because you

normally

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Quoted message said:

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> reply to every post made to you. But perhaps your newsreader is

experiencing

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> technical difficulties, so I'll restate my questions here.
>
> On Sunday, you strongly inferred that another poster (Stacey Bender)

was

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> "psychotic". Specifically, you said:
>
> "Your belief that you have been hearing my voice suggests that you

might

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Quoted message said:

be

Quoted message said:

> psychotic. Are you taking medications for schizophrenia?".
>
> Reviewing Stacey's prior posts, I was unable to find any in which

she

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> claimed to have heard your voice

"Yet you **said** you did know what was in its mind. I wonder why that
was?"

Oh, please, Andrew....using the word "said" in the context of a series

of

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

usenet postings is common practice. It is synonymous with "wrote", and

does

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not in any way imply that they are claiming to have heard your voice.

You

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should know this.

I am as unable to "know this" as you were "unable to find" what I have
provided for you.

OK, then...you admit that you were unaware of the common meaning of the verb
"said" in this context. Now we're getting somewhere. However, that means
that you made a mistake when you inferred that Stacey was mentally ill on
the basis of her usage of that word (it sounds as if your powers of "truth
discernment" failed you in this instance).

On the basis of your admitted mistake, do you think it would be useful to
offer Stacey an apology for the way you disparaged her? I think that would
be the proper "Christian" thing to do...don't you?

On a similar issue, I've noticed that you often write the following:

"Ouch. You may have at the other cheek."

Are we to infer from your writing that you are feeling physical facial pain
when you write these statements? If so, does the pain occur in one cheek
only, or does it vary?

Also, I noticed that you snipped a large portion of my previous post
(replicated below). I'm sorry if my questions make you upset, but for
benefit of other readers I request that you leave the content intact.

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So, that leaves a couple of possbilities:

1) You misunderstood her meaning, due to your lack of understanding of
idiomatic English.
If this is the case, then you made a mistake when you strongly inferred on
that basis that she is "psychotic". If this was your mistake, do you owe
her an apology?

2) You are grasping at a straw to bolster your argument, and avoid taking
responsibility for losing your temper aind inferring that another poster

is

Quoted message said:

mentally ill.

I strongly suspect the latter, as that seems to be your style in these
matters, but I await your further clarification.

GG

Quoted message said:

Truth is simple.

At His service,

Andrew

--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist

**
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(2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?V113154DA
(3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A
(4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A
(5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A
(6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A
(7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

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"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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GaryG said:

"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
> GaryG wrote:
> >
> > Andrew - you seem to be ignoring my request for comment in the

thread

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Quoted message said:

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titled
> > "lowering of metabolism after weight loss" (in alt.support.diet,

and

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Quoted message said:

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other
> > ng's). The thread can be found here:
> >
> >

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.support.diet/browse_frm/thread/089f75d28c68b0a7/2fef1e9ce8fa7257#2fef1e9ce8fa7257

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> >
> > or, http://tinyurl.com/dp5mv
> >
> > Your silence in response in this matter is unusual, because you
> > normally
> > reply to every post made to you. But perhaps your newsreader is
experiencing
> > technical difficulties, so I'll restate my questions here.
> >
> > On Sunday, you strongly inferred that another poster (Stacey

Bender)

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> > was
> > "psychotic". Specifically, you said:
> >
> > "Your belief that you have been hearing my voice suggests that you
> > might
be
> > psychotic. Are you taking medications for schizophrenia?".
> >
> > Reviewing Stacey's prior posts, I was unable to find any in which

she

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Quoted message said:

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> > claimed to have heard your voice
>
> "Yet you **said** you did know what was in its mind. I wonder why

that

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Quoted message said:

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> was?"

Oh, please, Andrew....using the word "said" in the context of a series

of

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

usenet postings is common practice. It is synonymous with "wrote", and
does
not in any way imply that they are claiming to have heard your voice.
You
should know this.

I am as unable to "know this" as you were "unable to find" what I have
provided for you.

There is this neat book called a "dictionary." If you read the entry for
said, it says it is the past tense of "say." And Webster's says this about
'say':
Main Entry: 1say
Pronunciation: 'sA, Southern also 'se
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): said /'sed, esp when subject follows s&d/; say·ing
/'sA-i[ng]/; says /'sez, sometimes 'sAz, esp when subject follows s&z/
Etymology: Middle English, from Old English secgan; akin to Old High

German

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sagEn to say, Lithuanian sakyti, Greek ennepein to speak, tell
transitive senses
1 a : to express in words : STATE b : to state as opinion or belief :
DECLARE
2 a : UTTER, PRONOUNCE b : RECITE, REPEAT <say your prayers>
3 a : INDICATE, SHOW <the clock says five minutes after twelve> b : to

give

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expression to : COMMUNICATE <a glance that said all that was necessary>
intransitive senses : to express oneself : SPEAK
- say·er /'sA-&r, 'se(-&😉r/ noun
- say uncle : to admit defeat
- that is to say : in other words : in effect

<end quote>

Although it is often used to indicate spoken lanquage, it also means (3b)

to

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give expression to. It is very common hear, "The newspaper said ..." or

the

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"website said...." as the cambridge dictionary says:

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=70070&dict=CALD

Definition
say (GIVE INFORMATION) [Show phonetics]
verb [T] said, said
to give information in writing, numbers or signs:
My watch says 3 o'clock.
Can you read what that notice says?
[+ (that)] It says in the paper (that) they've found the man who did it.
[+ to infinitive] It says on the bottle to take three tablets a day.

<end quote>

I hope that when a patient asks you about medication, and she says, "The
bottle said to take one tablet, twice a day," you don't think the bottle

is

Quoted message said:

litterally talking to her.

LOL - that could explain his lack of patients in the real world.

Well done, and thanks for the dictionary references (saved me the trouble).

GG

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Jeff

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Truth is simple.

At His service,

Andrew

--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist

**
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(2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?V113154DA
(3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A
(4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A
(5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A
(6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A
(7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

GaryG said:

"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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GaryG said:

"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
> GaryG wrote:
> >
> > Andrew - you seem to be ignoring my request for comment in the

thread

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titled
> > "lowering of metabolism after weight loss" (in alt.support.diet, and
other
> > ng's). The thread can be found here:
> >
> >

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.support.diet/browse_frm/thread/089f75d28c68b0a7/2fef1e9ce8fa7257#2fef1e9ce8fa7257

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> >
> > or, http://tinyurl.com/dp5mv
> >
> > Your silence in response in this matter is unusual, because you

normally

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> > reply to every post made to you. But perhaps your newsreader is
experiencing
> > technical difficulties, so I'll restate my questions here.
> >
> > On Sunday, you strongly inferred that another poster (Stacey Bender)

was

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> > "psychotic". Specifically, you said:
> >
> > "Your belief that you have been hearing my voice suggests that you

might

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be
> > psychotic. Are you taking medications for schizophrenia?".
> >
> > Reviewing Stacey's prior posts, I was unable to find any in which

she

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> > claimed to have heard your voice
>
> "Yet you **said** you did know what was in its mind. I wonder why that
> was?"

Oh, please, Andrew....using the word "said" in the context of a series

of

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

usenet postings is common practice. It is synonymous with "wrote", and

does

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not in any way imply that they are claiming to have heard your voice.

You

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should know this.

I am as unable to "know this" as you were "unable to find" what I have
provided for you.

OK, (...)

Glad you agree :-)

At His service,

Andrew

--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist

**
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(4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A
(5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A
(6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A
(7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

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GaryG said:

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GaryG wrote:
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> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> news:[email hidden]...
> > GaryG wrote:
> > >
> > > Andrew - you seem to be ignoring my request for comment in the

thread

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> titled
> > > "lowering of metabolism after weight loss" (in alt.support.diet,

and

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> other
> > > ng's). The thread can be found here:
> > >
> > >
>

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> > >
> > > or, http://tinyurl.com/dp5mv
> > >
> > > Your silence in response in this matter is unusual, because you

normally

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> > > reply to every post made to you. But perhaps your newsreader is
> experiencing
> > > technical difficulties, so I'll restate my questions here.
> > >
> > > On Sunday, you strongly inferred that another poster (Stacey

Bender)

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Quoted message said:

was

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> > > "psychotic". Specifically, you said:
> > >
> > > "Your belief that you have been hearing my voice suggests that

you

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might

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> be
> > > psychotic. Are you taking medications for schizophrenia?".
> > >
> > > Reviewing Stacey's prior posts, I was unable to find any in

which

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she

Quoted message said:

> > > claimed to have heard your voice
> >
> > "Yet you **said** you did know what was in its mind. I wonder why

that

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Quoted message said:

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> > was?"
>
> Oh, please, Andrew....using the word "said" in the context of a

series

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of

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> usenet postings is common practice. It is synonymous with "wrote",

and

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does

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> not in any way imply that they are claiming to have heard your

voice.

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You

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> should know this.

I am as unable to "know this" as you were "unable to find" what I have
provided for you.

OK, (...)

Glad you agree :-)

Andrew...thank you for your succinct reply. I'm sorry my words are so
troubling for you, but the way you are avoiding this issue, and snipping my
posts (replicated below), is providing all of us with a truly fascinating
insight into your mental makeup. For that, you have my thanks.

Based on your avoidance of the issues in this matter, it appears that you
are incapable of admitting a mistake, or apologizing when you lose your
temper and insult someone (on the Sabbath!). When challenged on your
behavior, you try to avoid the issue by feigning ignorance (as when you
claimed that you did not understand what Stacey meant when she used the word
"said"😉, or you try to avoid it altogether by snipping whole sections of
posts and attempting to change their meaning (as in your most recent post).
These are truly fascinating insights into your hyper-rigid mental state.

Admitting personal mistakes, and apologizing, are not easy for most
people...but, for you they appear to be impossiblities. Why do you suppose
that is? Are you "perfect" (i.e., incapable of error)? Or, are you merely
incapable of admitting it when you make a mistake?

BTW - your actions in this matter do not inspire confidence towards your
claims for the success rate of your 2PD. With no published research to back
it up, we're left only with your claims as to its efficacy. But, why would
we believe the claims of someone who either believes they are incapable of
error, or is unable to admit to making an error?

GG

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OK, then...you admit that you were unaware of the common meaning of the

verb

Quoted message said:

"said" in this context. Now we're getting somewhere. However, that means
that you made a mistake when you inferred that Stacey was mentally ill on
the basis of her usage of that word (it sounds as if your powers of "truth
discernment" failed you in this instance).

On the basis of your admitted mistake, do you think it would be useful to
offer Stacey an apology for the way you disparaged her? I think that

would

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be the proper "Christian" thing to do...don't you?

On a similar issue, I've noticed that you often write the following:

"Ouch. You may have at the other cheek."

Are we to infer from your writing that you are feeling physical facial

pain

Quoted message said:

when you write these statements? If so, does the pain occur in one cheek
only, or does it vary?

Also, I noticed that you snipped a large portion of my previous post
(replicated below). I'm sorry if my questions make you upset, but for
benefit of other readers I request that you leave the content intact.

Quoted message said:

So, that leaves a couple of possbilities:

1) You misunderstood her meaning, due to your lack of understanding of
idiomatic English.
If this is the case, then you made a mistake when you strongly inferred

on

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Quoted message said:

that basis that she is "psychotic". If this was your mistake, do you

owe

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Quoted message said:

her an apology?

2) You are grasping at a straw to bolster your argument, and avoid

taking

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

responsibility for losing your temper aind inferring that another poster

is

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mentally ill.

I strongly suspect the latter, as that seems to be your style in these
matters, but I await your further clarification.

GG

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At His service,

Andrew

--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist

**
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(1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048
(2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?V113154DA
(3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A
(4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A
(5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A
(6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A
(7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

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(...)

Quoted message said:

Andrew...thank you for your succinct reply. I'm sorry my words are so
troubling for you, but the way you are avoiding this issue, and snipping
my
posts (replicated below), is providing all of us with a truly fascinating
insight into your mental makeup. For that, you have my thanks.

I am not sure that I want to get too far into Mr. Chung's mental makeup. It
is a while since my rotations in psychiatry.

Quoted message said:

Based on your avoidance of the issues in this matter, it appears that you
are incapable of admitting a mistake, or apologizing when you lose your
temper and insult someone (on the Sabbath!). When challenged on your
behavior, you try to avoid the issue by feigning ignorance (as when you
claimed that you did not understand what Stacey meant when she used the
word
"said"😉, or you try to avoid it altogether by snipping whole sections of
posts and attempting to change their meaning (as in your most recent
post).
These are truly fascinating insights into your hyper-rigid mental state.

Admitting personal mistakes, and apologizing, are not easy for most
people...but, for you they appear to be impossiblities. Why do you
suppose
that is? Are you "perfect" (i.e., incapable of error)? Or, are you
merely
incapable of admitting it when you make a mistake?

I guess humility is not one of his strong points.

Quoted message said:

BTW - your actions in this matter do not inspire confidence towards your
claims for the success rate of your 2PD. With no published research to
back
it up, we're left only with your claims as to its efficacy. But, why
would
we believe the claims of someone who either believes they are incapable of
error, or is unable to admit to making an error?

I share similar concerns about his research.

Jeff

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GG

Quoted message said:

OK, then...you admit that you were unaware of the common meaning of the

verb

Quoted message said:

"said" in this context. Now we're getting somewhere. However, that
means
that you made a mistake when you inferred that Stacey was mentally ill on
the basis of her usage of that word (it sounds as if your powers of
"truth
discernment" failed you in this instance).

On the basis of your admitted mistake, do you think it would be useful to
offer Stacey an apology for the way you disparaged her? I think that

would

Quoted message said:

be the proper "Christian" thing to do...don't you?

On a similar issue, I've noticed that you often write the following:

"Ouch. You may have at the other cheek."

Are we to infer from your writing that you are feeling physical facial

pain

Quoted message said:

when you write these statements? If so, does the pain occur in one cheek
only, or does it vary?

Also, I noticed that you snipped a large portion of my previous post
(replicated below). I'm sorry if my questions make you upset, but for
benefit of other readers I request that you leave the content intact.

Quoted message said:

So, that leaves a couple of possbilities:

1) You misunderstood her meaning, due to your lack of understanding of
idiomatic English.
If this is the case, then you made a mistake when you strongly inferred

on

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

that basis that she is "psychotic". If this was your mistake, do you

owe

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

her an apology?

2) You are grasping at a straw to bolster your argument, and avoid

taking

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

responsibility for losing your temper aind inferring that another
poster

is

Quoted message said:

mentally ill.

I strongly suspect the latter, as that seems to be your style in these
matters, but I await your further clarification.

GG

Quoted message said:

At His service,

Andrew

--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist

**
Suggested Reading:
(1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048
(2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?V113154DA
(3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A
(4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A
(5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A
(6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A
(7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

GaryG said:

"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

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GaryG said:

"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
> GaryG wrote:
> >
> > "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> > news:[email hidden]...
> > > GaryG wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Andrew - you seem to be ignoring my request for comment in the
thread
> > titled
> > > > "lowering of metabolism after weight loss" (in alt.support.diet,

and

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Quoted message said:

> > other
> > > > ng's). The thread can be found here:
> > > >
> > > >
> >

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.support.diet/browse_frm/thread/089f75d28c68b0a7/2fef1e9ce8fa7257#2fef1e9ce8fa7257

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Quoted message said:

> > > >
> > > > or, http://tinyurl.com/dp5mv
> > > >
> > > > Your silence in response in this matter is unusual, because you
normally
> > > > reply to every post made to you. But perhaps your newsreader is
> > experiencing
> > > > technical difficulties, so I'll restate my questions here.
> > > >
> > > > On Sunday, you strongly inferred that another poster (Stacey

Bender)

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

was
> > > > "psychotic". Specifically, you said:
> > > >
> > > > "Your belief that you have been hearing my voice suggests that

you

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

might
> > be
> > > > psychotic. Are you taking medications for schizophrenia?".
> > > >
> > > > Reviewing Stacey's prior posts, I was unable to find any in

which

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

she
> > > > claimed to have heard your voice
> > >
> > > "Yet you **said** you did know what was in its mind. I wonder why

that

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> > > was?"
> >
> > Oh, please, Andrew....using the word "said" in the context of a

series

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Quoted message said:

of
> > usenet postings is common practice. It is synonymous with "wrote",

and

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Quoted message said:

does
> > not in any way imply that they are claiming to have heard your

voice.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

You
> > should know this.
>
> I am as unable to "know this" as you were "unable to find" what I have
> provided for you.

OK, (...)

Glad you agree :-)

Andrew...thank you for your succinct reply.

You are welcome :-)

Quoted message said:

I'm sorry my words are so
troubling for you, but the way you are avoiding this issue, and snipping my
posts (replicated below), is providing all of us with a truly fascinating
insight into your mental makeup.

Sorry my snipping your words bother you so much. Ime, self-worshippers
tend to believe that what they write is **sacred** (to themselves).

Quoted message said:

For that, you have my thanks.

Again, you are welcome to the insight that my writings have provided
you.

Quoted message said:

Based on your avoidance of the issues in this matter, it appears that you
are incapable of admitting a mistake, or apologizing when you lose your
temper and insult someone (on the Sabbath!).

It remains my choice to continue to write truthfully on any given day.

Quoted message said:

When challenged on your
behavior, you try to avoid the issue by feigning ignorance (as when you
claimed that you did not understand what Stacey meant when she used the word
"said"😉, or you try to avoid it altogether by snipping whole sections of
posts and attempting to change their meaning (as in your most recent post).

It seems you are prone to daydreaming.

Quoted message said:

These are truly fascinating insights into your hyper-rigid mental state.

Your feigned fascination betrays your despair.

Quoted message said:

Admitting personal mistakes, and apologizing, are not easy for most
people...but, for you they appear to be impossiblities.

It seems you are confusing me with my Lord who is perfect and does not
make mistakes.

Quoted message said:

Why do you suppose
that is?

He is God.

Quoted message said:

Are you "perfect" (i.e., incapable of error)?

There you go again, confusing me with my Lord.

Quoted message said:

Or, are you merely
incapable of admitting it when you make a mistake?

It remains my choice to continue to write truthfully.

Quoted message said:

BTW - your actions in this matter do not inspire confidence towards your
claims for the success rate of your 2PD.

That does not seem to be bothering the more than 625,550 people who have
firsthand familiarity with the 2PD-OMER Approach.

Quoted message said:

With no published research to back
it up, we're left only with your claims as to its efficacy.

"The proof is in the pudding."

Quoted message said:

But, why would
we believe the claims of someone who either believes they are incapable of
error, or is unable to admit to making an error?

It is written that those who choose to accept Jesus as their Lord and
Savior have been enabled by God to make that choice. Yes, Lord Jesus
believes He is incapable of error because He **is** incapable of error.

At His service,

Andrew

--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist

**
Suggested Reading:
(1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048
(2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?V113154DA
(3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A
(4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A
(5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A
(6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A
(7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

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GaryG said:

"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

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GaryG wrote:
>
> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> news:[email hidden]...
> > GaryG wrote:
> > >
> > > "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in

message

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> > > news:[email hidden]...
> > > > GaryG wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Andrew - you seem to be ignoring my request for comment in

the

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> thread
> > > titled
> > > > > "lowering of metabolism after weight loss" (in

alt.support.diet,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

and

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> > > other
> > > > > ng's). The thread can be found here:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
>

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.support.diet/browse_frm/thread/089f75d28c68b0a7/2fef1e9ce8fa7257#2fef1e9ce8fa7257

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> > > > >
> > > > > or, http://tinyurl.com/dp5mv
> > > > >
> > > > > Your silence in response in this matter is unusual, because

you

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> normally
> > > > > reply to every post made to you. But perhaps your newsreader

is

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> > > experiencing
> > > > > technical difficulties, so I'll restate my questions here.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sunday, you strongly inferred that another poster (Stacey

Bender)

Quoted message said:

> was
> > > > > "psychotic". Specifically, you said:
> > > > >
> > > > > "Your belief that you have been hearing my voice suggests

that

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

you

Quoted message said:

> might
> > > be
> > > > > psychotic. Are you taking medications for schizophrenia?".
> > > > >
> > > > > Reviewing Stacey's prior posts, I was unable to find any in

which

Quoted message said:

> she
> > > > > claimed to have heard your voice
> > > >
> > > > "Yet you **said** you did know what was in its mind. I wonder

why

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

that

Quoted message said:

> > > > was?"
> > >
> > > Oh, please, Andrew....using the word "said" in the context of a

series

Quoted message said:

> of
> > > usenet postings is common practice. It is synonymous with

"wrote",

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

and

Quoted message said:

> does
> > > not in any way imply that they are claiming to have heard your

voice.

Quoted message said:

> You
> > > should know this.
> >
> > I am as unable to "know this" as you were "unable to find" what I

have

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> > provided for you.
>
> OK, (...)

Glad you agree :-)

Andrew...thank you for your succinct reply.

You are welcome :-)

Quoted message said:

I'm sorry my words are so
troubling for you, but the way you are avoiding this issue, and snipping

my

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

posts (replicated below), is providing all of us with a truly

fascinating

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

insight into your mental makeup.

Sorry my snipping your words bother you so much. Ime, self-worshippers
tend to believe that what they write is **sacred** (to themselves).

Your judgement <shrug>.

Regardless of whether or not I believe my writings are sacred (I don't), why
would you take the time to snip them before replying? It strongly suggests
that you are trying to avoid the issues, or trying to intentionally change
the meaning of my replies (something you did earlier today).

Is intentionally changing the meaning of another person's post, "writing
trutfully"?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

For that, you have my thanks.

Again, you are welcome to the insight that my writings have provided
you.

Quoted message said:

Based on your avoidance of the issues in this matter, it appears that

you

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

are incapable of admitting a mistake, or apologizing when you lose your
temper and insult someone (on the Sabbath!).

It remains my choice to continue to write truthfully on any given day.

And yet, you continue to avoid addressing the issue of your behavior toward
Stacey last Sunday. You strongly inferred that she is "psychotic". Later,
you admitted that you were confused by the meaning of the word "said".

Thus, you called her psychotic on the basis of an error...so calling her
psychotic cannot be a "truthful" statement. Thus, you made an error by
calling her psychotic, and owe her an apology. Wouldn't that be the
Christian thing to do, rather than running away from your responsibility?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

When challenged on your
behavior, you try to avoid the issue by feigning ignorance (as when you
claimed that you did not understand what Stacey meant when she used the

word

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

"said"😉, or you try to avoid it altogether by snipping whole sections of
posts and attempting to change their meaning (as in your most recent

post).

Quoted message said:

It seems you are prone to daydreaming.

And you seem prone to running away from the issue of your behavior towards
Stacey. I know this must be very difficult for you...it's never easy to
admit that we've made a mistake, and apologize for it. But, most normal
people are capable of doing so. Why are you incapable of performing this
simple, Christian act?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

These are truly fascinating insights into your hyper-rigid mental state.

Your feigned fascination betrays your despair.

Not so...it truly is fascinating, and illustrative to us all, to see the
lengths you will go to to avoid admissions of error.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Admitting personal mistakes, and apologizing, are not easy for most
people...but, for you they appear to be impossiblities.

It seems you are confusing me with my Lord who is perfect and does not
make mistakes.

So, you are admitting that you are capable of making a mistake...good.
That's progress, Andy. Now, how about apologizing to Stacey for calling her
psychotic?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Why do you suppose
that is?

He is God.

Quoted message said:

Are you "perfect" (i.e., incapable of error)?

There you go again, confusing me with my Lord.

Quoted message said:

Or, are you merely
incapable of admitting it when you make a mistake?

It remains my choice to continue to write truthfully.

I'm sure you try to as much as humanly possible, as do we all. But, you've
already admitted that this was not true in the statements you made about
Stacey. So, what is the harm in offering her your apology?

GG

Quoted message said:

OK, then...you admit that you were unaware of the common meaning of the

verb

Quoted message said:

"said" in this context. Now we're getting somewhere. However, that means
that you made a mistake when you inferred that Stacey was mentally ill on
the basis of her usage of that word (it sounds as if your powers of "truth
discernment" failed you in this instance).

On the basis of your admitted mistake, do you think it would be useful to
offer Stacey an apology for the way you disparaged her? I think that

would

Quoted message said:

be the proper "Christian" thing to do...don't you?

On a similar issue, I've noticed that you often write the following:

"Ouch. You may have at the other cheek."

Are we to infer from your writing that you are feeling physical facial

pain

Quoted message said:

when you write these statements? If so, does the pain occur in one cheek
only, or does it vary?

Also, I noticed that you snipped a large portion of my previous post
(replicated below). I'm sorry if my questions make you upset, but for
benefit of other readers I request that you leave the content intact.

Quoted message said:

So, that leaves a couple of possbilities:

1) You misunderstood her meaning, due to your lack of understanding of
idiomatic English.
If this is the case, then you made a mistake when you strongly inferred

on

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

that basis that she is "psychotic". If this was your mistake, do you

owe

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

her an apology?

2) You are grasping at a straw to bolster your argument, and avoid

taking

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

responsibility for losing your temper aind inferring that another poster

is

Quoted message said:

mentally ill.

I strongly suspect the latter, as that seems to be your style in these
matters, but I await your further clarification.

GG

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

BTW - your actions in this matter do not inspire confidence towards your
claims for the success rate of your 2PD.

That does not seem to be bothering the more than 625,550 people who have
firsthand familiarity with the 2PD-OMER Approach.

Quoted message said:

With no published research to back
it up, we're left only with your claims as to its efficacy.

"The proof is in the pudding."

Quoted message said:

But, why would
we believe the claims of someone who either believes they are incapable

of

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

error, or is unable to admit to making an error?

It is written that those who choose to accept Jesus as their Lord and
Savior have been enabled by God to make that choice. Yes, Lord Jesus
believes He is incapable of error because He **is** incapable of error.

At His service,

Andrew

--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist

**
Suggested Reading:
(1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048
(2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?V113154DA
(3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A
(4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A
(5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A
(6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A
(7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

GaryG said:

"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

GaryG said:

"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
> GaryG wrote:
> >
> > "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> > news:[email hidden]...
> > > GaryG wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in

message

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> > > > news:[email hidden]...
> > > > > GaryG wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Andrew - you seem to be ignoring my request for comment in

the

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> > thread
> > > > titled
> > > > > > "lowering of metabolism after weight loss" (in

alt.support.diet,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

and
> > > > other
> > > > > > ng's). The thread can be found here:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> >

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.support.diet/browse_frm/thread/089f75d28c68b0a7/2fef1e9ce8fa7257#2fef1e9ce8fa7257

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> > > > > >
> > > > > > or, http://tinyurl.com/dp5mv
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Your silence in response in this matter is unusual, because

you

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> > normally
> > > > > > reply to every post made to you. But perhaps your newsreader

is

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> > > > experiencing
> > > > > > technical difficulties, so I'll restate my questions here.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Sunday, you strongly inferred that another poster (Stacey
Bender)
> > was
> > > > > > "psychotic". Specifically, you said:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Your belief that you have been hearing my voice suggests

that

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you
> > might
> > > > be
> > > > > > psychotic. Are you taking medications for schizophrenia?".
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Reviewing Stacey's prior posts, I was unable to find any in
which
> > she
> > > > > > claimed to have heard your voice
> > > > >
> > > > > "Yet you **said** you did know what was in its mind. I wonder

why

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that
> > > > > was?"
> > > >
> > > > Oh, please, Andrew....using the word "said" in the context of a
series
> > of
> > > > usenet postings is common practice. It is synonymous with

"wrote",

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and
> > does
> > > > not in any way imply that they are claiming to have heard your
voice.
> > You
> > > > should know this.
> > >
> > > I am as unable to "know this" as you were "unable to find" what I

have

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> > > provided for you.
> >
> > OK, (...)
>
> Glad you agree :-)

Andrew...thank you for your succinct reply.

You are welcome :-)

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I'm sorry my words are so
troubling for you, but the way you are avoiding this issue, and snipping

my

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posts (replicated below), is providing all of us with a truly

fascinating

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insight into your mental makeup.

Sorry my snipping your words bother you so much. Ime, self-worshippers
tend to believe that what they write is **sacred** (to themselves).

Your judgement <shrug>.

Regardless of whether or not I believe my writings are sacred (I don't), why
would you take the time to snip them before replying? It strongly suggests
that you are trying to avoid the issues, or trying to intentionally change
the meaning of my replies (something you did earlier today).

Is intentionally changing the meaning of another person's post, "writing
trutfully"?

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For that, you have my thanks.

Again, you are welcome to the insight that my writings have provided
you.

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Based on your avoidance of the issues in this matter, it appears that

you

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are incapable of admitting a mistake, or apologizing when you lose your
temper and insult someone (on the Sabbath!).

It remains my choice to continue to write truthfully on any given day.

And yet, you continue to avoid addressing the issue of your behavior toward
Stacey last Sunday. You strongly inferred that she is "psychotic". Later,
you admitted that you were confused by the meaning of the word "said".

Thus, you called her psychotic on the basis of an error...so calling her
psychotic cannot be a "truthful" statement. Thus, you made an error by
calling her psychotic, and owe her an apology. Wouldn't that be the
Christian thing to do, rather than running away from your responsibility?

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When challenged on your
behavior, you try to avoid the issue by feigning ignorance (as when you
claimed that you did not understand what Stacey meant when she used the

word

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"said"😉, or you try to avoid it altogether by snipping whole sections of
posts and attempting to change their meaning (as in your most recent

post).

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It seems you are prone to daydreaming.

And you seem prone to running away from the issue of your behavior towards
Stacey. I know this must be very difficult for you...it's never easy to
admit that we've made a mistake, and apologize for it. But, most normal
people are capable of doing so. Why are you incapable of performing this
simple, Christian act?

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These are truly fascinating insights into your hyper-rigid mental state.

Your feigned fascination betrays your despair.

Not so...it truly is fascinating, and illustrative to us all, to see the
lengths you will go to to avoid admissions of error.

That is not what I discern.

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Admitting personal mistakes, and apologizing, are not easy for most
people...but, for you they appear to be impossiblities.

It seems you are confusing me with my Lord who is perfect and does not
make mistakes.

So, you are admitting that you are capable of making a mistake...good.
That's progress, Andy. Now, how about apologizing to Stacey for calling her
psychotic?

In truth, I do not know that she isn't psychotic.

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Why do you suppose
that is?

He is God.

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Are you "perfect" (i.e., incapable of error)?

There you go again, confusing me with my Lord.

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Or, are you merely
incapable of admitting it when you make a mistake?

It remains my choice to continue to write truthfully.

I'm sure you try to as much as humanly possible, as do we all. But, you've
already admitted that this was not true in the statements you made about
Stacey.

Hardly.

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So, what is the harm in offering her your apology?

It may trigger delusions of grandeur...

....in **you**.

For this you remain in my prayers, dear Gary whom I love, in Lord Jesus'
holy name.

At His service,

Andrew

--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist

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GaryG said:

"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

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GaryG wrote:
>
> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> news:[email hidden]...
> > GaryG wrote:
> > >
> > > "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in

message

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> > > news:[email hidden]...
> > > > GaryG wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in

message

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> > > > > news:[email hidden]...
> > > > > > GaryG wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Andrew - you seem to be ignoring my request for comment

in

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the

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> > > thread
> > > > > titled
> > > > > > > "lowering of metabolism after weight loss" (in

alt.support.diet,

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> and
> > > > > other
> > > > > > > ng's). The thread can be found here:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
>

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.support.diet/browse_frm/thread/089f75d28c68b0a7/2fef1e9ce8fa7257#2fef1e9ce8fa7257

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> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > or, http://tinyurl.com/dp5mv
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Your silence in response in this matter is unusual,

because

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you

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> > > normally
> > > > > > > reply to every post made to you. But perhaps your

newsreader

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is

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> > > > > experiencing
> > > > > > > technical difficulties, so I'll restate my questions

here.

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> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Sunday, you strongly inferred that another poster

(Stacey

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> Bender)
> > > was
> > > > > > > "psychotic". Specifically, you said:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Your belief that you have been hearing my voice

suggests

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that

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> you
> > > might
> > > > > be
> > > > > > > psychotic. Are you taking medications for

schizophrenia?".

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> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Reviewing Stacey's prior posts, I was unable to find any

in

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> which
> > > she
> > > > > > > claimed to have heard your voice
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Yet you **said** you did know what was in its mind. I

wonder

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why

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> that
> > > > > > was?"
> > > > >
> > > > > Oh, please, Andrew....using the word "said" in the context

of a

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> series
> > > of
> > > > > usenet postings is common practice. It is synonymous with

"wrote",

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> and
> > > does
> > > > > not in any way imply that they are claiming to have heard

your

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> voice.
> > > You
> > > > > should know this.
> > > >
> > > > I am as unable to "know this" as you were "unable to find"

what I

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have

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> > > > provided for you.
> > >
> > > OK, (...)
> >
> > Glad you agree :-)
>
> Andrew...thank you for your succinct reply.

You are welcome :-)

> I'm sorry my words are so
> troubling for you, but the way you are avoiding this issue, and

snipping

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my

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> posts (replicated below), is providing all of us with a truly

fascinating

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> insight into your mental makeup.

Sorry my snipping your words bother you so much. Ime,

self-worshippers

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tend to believe that what they write is **sacred** (to themselves).

Your judgement <shrug>.

Regardless of whether or not I believe my writings are sacred (I don't),

why

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would you take the time to snip them before replying? It strongly

suggests

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that you are trying to avoid the issues, or trying to intentionally

change

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the meaning of my replies (something you did earlier today).

Is intentionally changing the meaning of another person's post, "writing
trutfully"?

Your non-response is duly noted (this seems to be a pattern in your
behavior, Andy). But, at least you didn't snip it, so we can celebrate a
little bit of progress here.

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> For that, you have my thanks.

Again, you are welcome to the insight that my writings have provided
you.

> Based on your avoidance of the issues in this matter, it appears

that

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you

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> are incapable of admitting a mistake, or apologizing when you lose

your

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> temper and insult someone (on the Sabbath!).

It remains my choice to continue to write truthfully on any given day.

And yet, you continue to avoid addressing the issue of your behavior

toward

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Stacey last Sunday. You strongly inferred that she is "psychotic".

Later,

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you admitted that you were confused by the meaning of the word "said".

Thus, you called her psychotic on the basis of an error...so calling her
psychotic cannot be a "truthful" statement. Thus, you made an error by
calling her psychotic, and owe her an apology. Wouldn't that be the
Christian thing to do, rather than running away from your

responsibility?

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> When challenged on your
> behavior, you try to avoid the issue by feigning ignorance (as when

you

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> claimed that you did not understand what Stacey meant when she used

the

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word

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> "said"😉, or you try to avoid it altogether by snipping whole

sections of

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> posts and attempting to change their meaning (as in your most recent

post).

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It seems you are prone to daydreaming.

And you seem prone to running away from the issue of your behavior

towards

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Stacey. I know this must be very difficult for you...it's never easy to
admit that we've made a mistake, and apologize for it. But, most normal
people are capable of doing so. Why are you incapable of performing

this

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simple, Christian act?

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> These are truly fascinating insights into your hyper-rigid mental

state.

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Your feigned fascination betrays your despair.

Not so...it truly is fascinating, and illustrative to us all, to see the
lengths you will go to to avoid admissions of error.

That is not what I discern.

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> Admitting personal mistakes, and apologizing, are not easy for most
> people...but, for you they appear to be impossiblities.

It seems you are confusing me with my Lord who is perfect and does not
make mistakes.

So, you are admitting that you are capable of making a mistake...good.
That's progress, Andy. Now, how about apologizing to Stacey for calling

her

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psychotic?

In truth, I do not know that she isn't psychotic.

But, you strongly inferred that she *is* psychotic in your post on Sunday!
On what basis did you make that public judgement? Do you see any evidence
in what she wrote of disordered or delusional thought patterns?

What do your self-proclaimed "powers of truth discernment" tell you about
Stacey?

If you inferred she is psychotic without having reasonable evidence, you are
guilty of insulting her. It seems likely this was the case. She was making
some pretty good points at the time about the lack of evidence as to the
efficacy of your 2PD, and it's understandable that you would get upset about
that.

Why don't you be a man, and admit you lost your temper, and simply apologize
to Stacey?

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> Why do you suppose
> that is?

He is God.

> Are you "perfect" (i.e., incapable of error)?

There you go again, confusing me with my Lord.

> Or, are you merely
> incapable of admitting it when you make a mistake?

It remains my choice to continue to write truthfully.

I'm sure you try to as much as humanly possible, as do we all. But,

you've

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already admitted that this was not true in the statements you made about
Stacey.

Hardly.

Well, you did claim that you did not understand the meaning of the word
"said" (you claimed that you thought that Stacey actually was hearing your
voice). So, if you called her psychotic on that basis, you made a
mistake...a mistake which would normally require an apology.

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So, what is the harm in offering her your apology?

It may trigger delusions of grandeur...

...in **you**.

So, you're not going to offer her an apology because of its possible effect
on me? Is that a Christian point of view?

Yet again, it sounds as if you are quite aware of your transgression, but
simply cannot bear the thought of admitting you made a simple, human,
mistake. The mental gymnastics you employ to avoid that admission are
truly fascinating.

GG

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For this you remain in my prayers, dear Gary whom I love, in Lord Jesus'
holy name.

At His service,

Andrew

--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist

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"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
(...)

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I'm sorry my words are so
troubling for you, but the way you are avoiding this issue, and snipping
my
posts (replicated below), is providing all of us with a truly fascinating
insight into your mental makeup.

Sorry my snipping your words bother you so much. Ime, self-worshippers
tend to believe that what they write is **sacred** (to themselves).

At least Gary didn't write a FAQ about himself.

However, it is obvious to me that Gary is correct. The way you snipped the
words changed the meaning of what he had written. You have do that many
times in the past, as well.

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For that, you have my thanks.

Again, you are welcome to the insight that my writings have provided
you.

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Based on your avoidance of the issues in this matter, it appears that you
are incapable of admitting a mistake, or apologizing when you lose your
temper and insult someone (on the Sabbath!).

It remains my choice to continue to write truthfully on any given day.

However, the way you snip things, without even indicating that words have
been snipped is intellectually dishonest.

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When challenged on your
behavior, you try to avoid the issue by feigning ignorance (as when you
claimed that you did not understand what Stacey meant when she used the
word
"said"😉, or you try to avoid it altogether by snipping whole sections of
posts and attempting to change their meaning (as in your most recent
post).

It seems you are prone to daydreaming.

I would suggest other readers of this forum review the thread and make a
determination for themselves.

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These are truly fascinating insights into your hyper-rigid mental state.

Your feigned fascination betrays your despair.

Actually, Gary is correct.

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Admitting personal mistakes, and apologizing, are not easy for most
people...but, for you they appear to be impossiblities.

It seems you are confusing me with my Lord who is perfect and does not
make mistakes.

Actually, this is not the case. Admitting personal mistakes and apologiszing
for them is something that Christian people do.

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Why do you suppose
that is?

He is God.

So God told you that you should not admit mistakes?

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Are you "perfect" (i.e., incapable of error)?

There you go again, confusing me with my Lord.

There you go again, avoiding the question.

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Or, are you merely
incapable of admitting it when you make a mistake?

It remains my choice to continue to write truthfully.

When you start writing truthfully, please let us know.

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BTW - your actions in this matter do not inspire confidence towards your
claims for the success rate of your 2PD.

That does not seem to be bothering the more than 625,550 people who have
firsthand familiarity with the 2PD-OMER Approach.

I will believe this when I see it published in the peer-reveiewed
literature.

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With no published research to back
it up, we're left only with your claims as to its efficacy.

"The proof is in the pudding."

Actually, the proof is in the journals. Oops, you haven't published yet.

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But, why would
we believe the claims of someone who either believes they are incapable
of
error, or is unable to admit to making an error?

It is written that those who choose to accept Jesus as their Lord and
Savior have been enabled by God to make that choice. Yes, Lord Jesus
believes He is incapable of error because He **is** incapable of error.

I fail to see what accepting Jesus as our Lord and Savior has to do with
believing what you say.

Jeff

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At His service,

Andrew

--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist

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Quoted message said:

"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

(...)

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And yet, you continue to avoid addressing the issue of your behavior
toward
Stacey last Sunday. You strongly inferred that she is "psychotic".
Later,
you admitted that you were confused by the meaning of the word "said".

Thus, you called her psychotic on the basis of an error...so calling her
psychotic cannot be a "truthful" statement. Thus, you made an error by
calling her psychotic, and owe her an apology. Wouldn't that be the
Christian thing to do, rather than running away from your responsibility?

If he truthfully thought that "said" only refers to the spoken word, then he
was truthful when he implied that the lady was insane. (In fact, he must
think a lot of people are insane when they talk about newspapers or websites
said something.)

However, when it was pointed out to him that "said" also means expressed, it
would have been appropraite to apologize.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

When challenged on your
behavior, you try to avoid the issue by feigning ignorance (as when you
claimed that you did not understand what Stacey meant when she used the

word

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

"said"😉, or you try to avoid it altogether by snipping whole sections
of
posts and attempting to change their meaning (as in your most recent

post).

Quoted message said:

It seems you are prone to daydreaming.

And you seem prone to running away from the issue of your behavior towards
Stacey. I know this must be very difficult for you...it's never easy to
admit that we've made a mistake, and apologize for it. But, most normal
people are capable of doing so. Why are you incapable of performing this
simple, Christian act?

Perhaps the apology can't get past his ego.

(...)

Jeff

"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

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GaryG wrote:

(...)

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So, you are admitting that you are capable of making a mistake...good.
That's progress, Andy. Now, how about apologizing to Stacey for calling
her
psychotic?

In truth, I do not know that she isn't psychotic.

What evidence do you have that she is psychotic?

And even if she is, without good reason to beleive that she is psychotic,
would it not be the Christian thing to apologize to her?

(...)

jeff

Jeff said:

"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

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GaryG wrote:

(...)

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So, you are admitting that you are capable of making a mistake...good.
That's progress, Andy. Now, how about apologizing to Stacey for calling
her
psychotic?

In truth, I do not know that she isn't psychotic.

What evidence do you have that she is psychotic?

It seemed that she was hearing my voice over Usenet as it was clear she
was not referring to anything I had written.

Truth is simple.

At His service,

Andrew

--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist

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Jeff said:

"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
(...)

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I'm sorry my words are so
troubling for you, but the way you are avoiding this issue, and snipping
my
posts (replicated below), is providing all of us with a truly fascinating
insight into your mental makeup.

Sorry my snipping your words bother you so much. Ime, self-worshippers
tend to believe that what they write is **sacred** (to themselves).

At least Gary didn't write a FAQ about himself.

In truth, the FAQs on my web site are not about me.

At His service,

Andrew

--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist

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<snip>

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In truth, I do not know that she isn't psychotic.

But, you strongly inferred that she *is* psychotic in your post on Sunday!
On what basis did you make that public judgement?

It seemed that she was hearing my voice over Usenet as it was clear she
was not referring to anything I had written.

Truth is simple.

At His service,

Andrew

--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist

**
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