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  1. DaveB said:

    I eat before and durign the ride which I assume is why I feel ok on the
    ride and for the first hour after getting home. And when I get home I
    usually have the super Sunday milkshake (milo, ice-cream, protein
    powder, milk, egg) and a couple of sandwiches.

    Gulping down so much fat and protein after riding is pointless, expensive
    and bad for your digestion. You should be taking in carbs (sports drinks,
    bananas etc) during and right after the ride. Unless you're a vegetarian,
    you almost certainly eat much more protein than you need already.

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  2. Michael Warner said:
    DaveB said:

    I eat before and durign the ride which I assume is why I feel ok on the
    ride and for the first hour after getting home. And when I get home I
    usually have the super Sunday milkshake (milo, ice-cream, protein
    powder, milk, egg) and a couple of sandwiches.

    Gulping down so much fat and protein after riding is pointless, expensive
    and bad for your digestion. You should be taking in carbs (sports drinks,
    bananas etc) during and right after the ride. Unless you're a vegetarian,
    you almost certainly eat much more protein than you need already.

    Hmm maybe I should have been a bit more specific in the original post so
    I could avoid the great protein debate (which is done to death here on a
    regular basis). The protein powder isn't expensive because it's just
    skim milk powder. And the reason I have it is because after a long
    cycling session I get my worst migraines and a protein boost (poweder
    and egg) tends to help there. I don't take the protein hit for muscular
    reasons. And I'd rather have more than I need at that time than too little.

    DaveB

  3. DaveB said:

    Hmm maybe I should have been a bit more specific in the original post so
    I could avoid the great protein debate (which is done to death here on a
    regular basis). The protein powder isn't expensive because it's just
    skim milk powder. And the reason I have it is because after a long
    cycling session I get my worst migraines

    I'm sorry you suffer from those. From what I've heard about them, if
    strenuous cycling brought them on I'd give up strenuous cycling.

    --
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  4. Michael Warner said:
    DaveB said:

    Hmm maybe I should have been a bit more specific in the original post so
    I could avoid the great protein debate (which is done to death here on a
    regular basis). The protein powder isn't expensive because it's just
    skim milk powder. And the reason I have it is because after a long
    cycling session I get my worst migraines

    I'm sorry you suffer from those. From what I've heard about them, if
    strenuous cycling brought them on I'd give up strenuous cycling.

    It's a fine line. No exercise is much worse than too much. Over 25 years
    from when I was ten migraines steadily increased to a point where I
    tracked them on a spreadsheet (as you'd expect from anyone on a.b) and
    found I averaged 3 days a month that were migraine free. That was a bit
    of a surprise, they'd just become a way of life. At that time I'd slowly
    decreased the exercise I was doing to the point where I'd done very
    little for 5 years and increased stress to my limits.

    That's when I started triathlon training. Frequency of migraines dropped
    by half, but more importantly wipe me off and send me to bed migraines
    went from 1-2 a week to maybe 1 a month. Best thing I can do when my
    head is going downhill is get out on the bike or go for a run (running
    is better but harder to get motivated for when your head is pounding and
    you want to throw up). Commuting on the bike is the perfect combination
    of exercise and fresh air, and at the start of the day when I really
    need it.

    Strenuous cycling doesn't cause them, but a long strenuous ride can
    because I'm not eating enough. The Sunday BR is about my limit, unless I
    eat a lot during the ride (and I'm talking actual meal, not snacks).

    So for anyone out there that knows someone with constant migraines, the
    best way to break the cycle is 30mins to an hour of exercise (and it
    sure doesn't do your health any harm)

    DaveB

  5. DaveB said:


    Michael Warner said:
    DaveB said:

    Hmm maybe I should have been a bit more specific in the original post so
    I could avoid the great protein debate (which is done to death here on a
    regular basis). The protein powder isn't expensive because it's just
    skim milk powder. And the reason I have it is because after a long
    cycling session I get my worst migraines

    I'm sorry you suffer from those. From what I've heard about them, if
    strenuous cycling brought them on I'd give up strenuous cycling.

    It's a fine line. No exercise is much worse than too much. Over 25 years
    from when I was ten migraines steadily increased to a point where I
    tracked them on a spreadsheet (as you'd expect from anyone on a.b) and
    found I averaged 3 days a month that were migraine free. That was a bit
    of a surprise, they'd just become a way of life. At that time I'd slowly
    decreased the exercise I was doing to the point where I'd done very
    little for 5 years and increased stress to my limits.

    That's when I started triathlon training. Frequency of migraines dropped
    by half, but more importantly wipe me off and send me to bed migraines
    went from 1-2 a week to maybe 1 a month. Best thing I can do when my
    head is going downhill is get out on the bike or go for a run (running
    is better but harder to get motivated for when your head is pounding and
    you want to throw up). Commuting on the bike is the perfect combination
    of exercise and fresh air, and at the start of the day when I really
    need it.

    Strenuous cycling doesn't cause them, but a long strenuous ride can
    because I'm not eating enough. The Sunday BR is about my limit, unless I
    eat a lot during the ride (and I'm talking actual meal, not snacks).

    So for anyone out there that knows someone with constant migraines, the
    best way to break the cycle is 30mins to an hour of exercise (and it
    sure doesn't do your health any harm)

    DaveB

    Given this additional information, here's my big, wacky, detailed
    recommendation:

    Get a bento box or similar on your top tube, if you don't have one
    already, you're a triathlete so you should have one!

    Fill it with peanut butter and jam sandwiches, chopped up into smaller
    serves, in an open top plastic bag.

    I used to get headaches and stomach aches on long rides. (Before any
    duckheads step up to tell me about electrolytes, fluids and fuel, shut
    up, I know all that, I did all that.) Powerbar Protein Plus or the
    tastier Protein FX bars helped a bit, nice to have some solid food, but
    I'm quite sensitive to sugar ups&downs, and too much sugar gives me a
    headache.

    (I tested a bit funny on a blood sugar test done by some undergrad HM
    students, but the lecturer told me not to worry, because I do so much
    exercise... and I figure I'm not suffering yet...)

    I found the salty peanut butter and sweet jam were a perfect balance for
    each other and didn't get headaches.

    Tam

  6. DaveB said:
    Michael Warner said:
    DaveB said:

    Hmm maybe I should have been a bit more specific in the original post so
    I could avoid the great protein debate (which is done to death here on a
    regular basis). The protein powder isn't expensive because it's just
    skim milk powder. And the reason I have it is because after a long
    cycling session I get my worst migraines

    I'm sorry you suffer from those. From what I've heard about them, if
    strenuous cycling brought them on I'd give up strenuous cycling.

    It's a fine line. No exercise is much worse than too much. Over 25 years
    from when I was ten migraines steadily increased to a point where I
    tracked them on a spreadsheet (as you'd expect from anyone on a.b) and
    found I averaged 3 days a month that were migraine free. That was a bit
    of a surprise, they'd just become a way of life. At that time I'd slowly
    decreased the exercise I was doing to the point where I'd done very
    little for 5 years and increased stress to my limits.

    That's when I started triathlon training. Frequency of migraines dropped
    by half, but more importantly wipe me off and send me to bed migraines
    went from 1-2 a week to maybe 1 a month. Best thing I can do when my
    head is going downhill is get out on the bike or go for a run (running
    is better but harder to get motivated for when your head is pounding and
    you want to throw up). Commuting on the bike is the perfect combination
    of exercise and fresh air, and at the start of the day when I really
    need it.

    That's fascinating. Does the protein cut out the migraine?

    Quoted message said:

    Strenuous cycling doesn't cause them, but a long strenuous ride can
    because I'm not eating enough. The Sunday BR is about my limit, unless I
    eat a lot during the ride (and I'm talking actual meal, not snacks).

    What do blood tests show? Anything odd with sugar levels? Might
    be worth checking your blood sugar etc after a big ride to see
    what's going on?

  7. Carl Brewer said:


    That's fascinating. Does the protein cut out the migraine?

    Yep that was the first thing I learnt from the doc all those years ago
    (recommended eggs for breakfast, bleuch 🙁 to this day I hate the
    thought of eggs for breakfast).

    Funny thing is, with all the theories on migraines, I'd forgotten about
    the protein thing. I went through a phase last year where I was upping
    my protein intake as I got ready for Olympic dist tri. It didn't improve
    my performance but I did notice a decrease in migraines and then the
    penny dropped abotu the migraine/protein link.

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    Strenuous cycling doesn't cause them, but a long strenuous ride can
    because I'm not eating enough. The Sunday BR is about my limit, unless I
    eat a lot during the ride (and I'm talking actual meal, not snacks).

    What do blood tests show? Anything odd with sugar levels? Might
    be worth checking your blood sugar etc after a big ride to see
    what's going on?

    What sort of blood test are you talking?

    DaveB

  8. DaveB said:

    Yep that was the first thing I learnt from the doc all those years ago
    (recommended eggs for breakfast, bleuch 🙁 to this day I hate the
    thought of eggs for breakfast).

    Funny thing is, with all the theories on migraines, I'd forgotten about
    the protein thing. I went through a phase last year where I was upping
    my protein intake as I got ready for Olympic dist tri. It didn't improve
    my performance but I did notice a decrease in migraines and then the
    penny dropped abotu the migraine/protein link.

    Amazing.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    Strenuous cycling doesn't cause them, but a long strenuous ride can
    because I'm not eating enough. The Sunday BR is about my limit, unless I
    eat a lot during the ride (and I'm talking actual meal, not snacks).

    What do blood tests show? Anything odd with sugar levels? Might
    be worth checking your blood sugar etc after a big ride to see
    what's going on?

    What sort of blood test are you talking?

    I'd be seeing a doctor and explaining what's happening (I assume
    you've already done this though?)

    Then they'd probably want to run some blood tests on you to see
    if there's something funny going on.

  9. Carl Brewer said:


    I'd be seeing a doctor and explaining what's happening (I assume
    you've already done this though?)

    Then they'd probably want to run some blood tests on you to see
    if there's something funny going on.

    Ah yes, doctors. Have seen so many over 28 years of migraines and yet to
    find one that knew as much as I did or could suggest anything new.
    Although you have got me thinking maybe I need to get to a sports
    medicine doctor to work through the blood sugar issues after a long
    ride, and maybe that will also point to any migraine related issues.
    DaveB

  10. Carl Brewer said:
    DaveB said:

    Yep that was the first thing I learnt from the doc all those years ago
    (recommended eggs for breakfast, bleuch 🙁 to this day I hate the
    thought of eggs for breakfast).

    Funny thing is, with all the theories on migraines, I'd forgotten about
    the protein thing. I went through a phase last year where I was upping
    my protein intake as I got ready for Olympic dist tri. It didn't improve
    my performance but I did notice a decrease in migraines and then the
    penny dropped abotu the migraine/protein link.

    Amazing.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >Strenuous cycling doesn't cause them, but a long strenuous ride can
    >because I'm not eating enough. The Sunday BR is about my limit, unless I
    >eat a lot during the ride (and I'm talking actual meal, not snacks).

    What do blood tests show? Anything odd with sugar levels? Might
    be worth checking your blood sugar etc after a big ride to see
    what's going on?

    What sort of blood test are you talking?

    I'd be seeing a doctor and explaining what's happening (I assume
    you've already done this though?)

    Then they'd probably want to run some blood tests on you to see
    if there's something funny going on.

    Have a look at this website and download the top PDF file (it's huge).
    After reading this I've banned sugar from my bike and go totally on
    carbohydrates. It's very informative and easy to read.

    http://www.e-caps.com/za/ECP?PAGE=DOWNLOADS&CAT=FREE_DOWNLOADS&OMI=10087,10071&AMI=10087

    Marty

  11. Marty said:

    Have a look at this website and download the top PDF file (it's huge).
    After reading this I've banned sugar from my bike and go totally on
    carbohydrates. It's very informative and easy to read.

    Sugar is a carbohydrate.

  12. Carl Brewer said:

    Sugar is a carbohydrate.

    really? dim dark memories of chemistry made me think 'sugar'
    (being a very generic term) is a broken down carb

    but heck, what would i know... I have eaten like a really good boy all week and feel really flat. need coffee, snickers, and muffins. STACK!
    (no, that was not the sound of me having another 'dutch' incident!)

    F"how am i gonna use this maths/chemistry/physics i real life?"Dutch

  13. flyingdutch said:


    Carl Brewer said:

    Sugar is a carbohydrate.

    really?

    Yes.

    Common table sugar (sucrose) is a "simple carbohydrate"

    So is glucose, dextrose, fructose etc

  14. Carl Brewer said:

    On Thu, 9 Jun 2005 15:23:50 +1000, flyingdutch

    Quoted message said:


    Carl Brewer said:

    Sugar is a carbohydrate.

    really?

    Yes.

    Common table sugar (sucrose) is a "simple carbohydrate"

    So is glucose, dextrose, fructose etc

    mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm carbs...... carbs are my friend 😉

    Come over my place Dutchy and help me with my carbo load... rice, oats, pasta, carbed up fluids mmm mmm mmmmmmmmmmm (Can I stop now pleeeeeeaase Carl????) :p

  15. Marty said:


    Have a look at this website and download the top PDF file (it's huge).
    After reading this I've banned sugar from my bike and go totally on
    carbohydrates. It's very informative and easy to read.

    http://www.e-caps.com/za/ECP?PAGE=DOWNLOADS&CAT=FREE_DOWNLOADS&OMI=10087,10071&AMI=10087

    Marty

    Ok I haven't read the whole thing but the sections I did read left me
    with one question, how many recommendations did the article make that
    didn't say you need to buy our product. What they say me be correct but
    I'd prefer something a little more objective or some supporting material.

    DaveB "the cynic"

  16. DaveB said:
    Marty said:


    Have a look at this website and download the top PDF file (it's huge).
    After reading this I've banned sugar from my bike and go totally on
    carbohydrates. It's very informative and easy to read.

    http://www.e-caps.com/za/ECP?PAGE=DOWNLOADS&CAT=FREE_DOWNLOADS&OMI=10087,10071&AMI=10087

    Marty

    Ok I haven't read the whole thing but the sections I did read left me
    with one question, how many recommendations did the article make that
    didn't say you need to buy our product. What they say me be correct but
    I'd prefer something a little more objective or some supporting material.

    It doesn't agree with most of the material I've read about
    during-event nutrition either.

    snake, meet oil ...

  17. Carl Brewer said:
    Marty said:

    Have a look at this website and download the top PDF file (it's huge).
    After reading this I've banned sugar from my bike and go totally on
    carbohydrates. It's very informative and easy to read.

    Sugar is a carbohydrate.

    Well I've gone from sugars to maltodextren, does that sound better?

    Marty

  18. Carl Brewer said:
    Marty said:

    Have a look at this website and download the top PDF file (it's huge).
    After reading this I've banned sugar from my bike and go totally on
    carbohydrates. It's very informative and easy to read.

    Sugar is a carbohydrate.

    Never trust nutritional advice put out by a company that makes nutritional
    supplements.

    Tam

  19. warrwych said:


    Carl Brewer said:
    flyingdutch said:


    Carl Brewer Wrote:
    >
    >
    > Sugar is a carbohydrate.

    really?

    Yes.

    Common table sugar (sucrose) is a "simple carbohydrate"

    So is glucose, dextrose, fructose etc

    mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm carbs...... carbs are my friend 😉

    Come over my place Dutchy and help me with my carbo load... rice,
    oats, pasta, carbed up fluids mmm mmm mmmmmmmmmmm (Can I stop now
    pleeeeeeaase Carl????) :p

    --
    warrwych

    Hmmmm. Fat is my friend.

    Tam

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