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  1. OK - do you have children? Would you let them ride a bike without a helmet?
    If you wouldn't, what are you trying to say?

    For the record, my kids have always ridden bikes. They have always worn
    helmets. They just see it as perfectly normal, and it has not put them off.
    And yes, all three have fallen off at times and on at least 4 occasions have
    had serious damage to the helmet.

    From: "Richard Bates" <[email hidden]>
    Subject: Private Members Bill
    Date: 16 May 2004 10:18

    In a similar vein to the Walking Helmets article in the BMJ(?) but
    even more daft^H^H^H^H vital.

    Pursuant to Section 14.4.5, subsection 12.5, paragraph 14c, held
    within the blah blah waffle waffle safety of children act waffle, I
    hereby declare my intent to present to the house a number of child
    safety initiatives which will be effective in promoting th welfare of
    children in the UK.

    1) Children shall be banned from taking physical exercise at school
    since excessive exercise will make the obese children have heart
    attacks.

    2) Children playing or walking near water will be required to be
    wearing life jackets at all times. This includes circumstances when
    children are in a private garden which contains a fish pond. Please
    note also that it will apply when taking a bath or a shower (see 3).

    3) Due to the risk of children slipping in the shower, they will be
    required to sit down (this is sometimes known as "having a bath"😉, and
    shall also be wearing shower-helmets. Unfortunately they will be
    unable to wash their hair since I intend to ban ventilation holes in
    the helmets due to the risk of scalp scalds (see 4).

    4) Children shall no longer be able to shower in hot water. Shower
    supplies must be cold water only, and it shall be illegal to install a
    water heater in series with the water supply (also known as a "power
    shower"😉.

    5) Children using sharp implementrs such as knives, craft blades,
    scissors, compasses (compi?), pencils and fountain pens will be
    required to wear protective gloves. Due to the unfortunate effect of
    now being unable to write by hand, all children will be forced to use
    computers for all alpha-numeric based communication. Parents who at
    home, allow their children to engage in alpha-numeric communication
    without buying them a computer will be subject to prosecution.

    5a) It is understood that the banning of knives will have a serious
    impact on children wishing to eat school meals. It will therefore be
    necessary to ban all such foods requiring the use of canteen cutlery.
    Suitable foods will be items such as beefburgers. See also (12).

    6) Children will no longer be allowed to climb stairs due to the risk
    of gravitational accident. Parents must either relocate to bungalows
    (government ministers affected by this will be entitled to a
    relocation allowance), reorganise their homes so that children no
    longer need to climb stairs, or install a stairlift (see 7).

    7) I intend to make it illegal for children to use stairlifts
    (including enclosed elevators) unless they are wearing a suitabale
    helmet.

    8) Children under the age of 16 may not cross the road unsupervised.
    Walking helmets will be compulsary. Roads which are of a width greater
    than 10m, roads which are a designated bus route, and all roads which
    allow cars to travel on them will be completely out of bounds for
    child pedestrians. Children wishing to cross such a road must do so in
    the safety of a motor vehicle (this is sometimes know as "doing a
    three-point-turn).

    9) Children wishing to read books must do so for only 10 minutes a
    week in order to prevent eye-strain. Books will be replaced by the
    much preferred television, which due to the increased distance of
    viewing, will reduce in much lower eye-strain injuries.

    10) Parents who wish to allow their children to play in their own
    gardens must first of all have their premises inspected by Child
    Recreation Analysis Personnel. Dangerous devices such as those relying
    on a fulcrum or simple harmonic motion for pleasure will be banned.
    Gravity-challenge frames will be subject to a maximum height of 0.5m

    11) All ball games will be banned due to the risk of head injury from
    an air-filled sphere. The preferrable computer simulation will be
    deemed a safer alternative.

    12) Vegetables will be banned since they grow in the ground and are
    obviously dirty.

    Final note: I understand that the above meausres may seem over the
    top. But we have to think of the children. As a financial assistance
    to the above measures, all parents will be issued with 2 rolls of
    cotton wool per child per year.

    Yours sincerely, Eric Martlew.

    --
    Young Musician of the Year 2004 was a fiddle

  2. On Sun, 16 May 2004 18:33:35 +0100 someone who may be "Peter Taylor"
    <[email hidden]> top-posted this:-

    Quoted message said:

    OK - do you have children? Would you let them ride a bike without a helmet?
    If you wouldn't, what are you trying to say?

    I think the humour of the original posting is easy enough to spot.
    It was a very good posting.

    --
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    I will always explain revoked keys, unless the UK government
    prevents me using the RIP Act 2000.

  3. Peter Taylor said:

    For the record, my kids have always ridden bikes. They have always worn
    helmets. They just see it as perfectly normal, and it has not put them off.
    And yes, all three have fallen off at times and on at least 4 occasions have
    had serious damage to the helmet.

    I don't have kids, but I can remember being one. We used to play
    outside on bikes without helmets; between us I can think of several
    accidents which would probably have been helmet-damaging or
    helmet-destroying (e.g ramp on pavement with plank and bricks, brother
    goes over it too fast, applies front brake after leaving the ground)
    but which caused no skull or brain damage, and indeed required no
    professional medical attention.

    Well, I say that. He grew up to be a professional chef, but seems
    otherwise unharmed.

    What happened to the world of Swallows and Amazons? "BETTER DROWNED
    THAN DUFFERS IF NOT DUFFERS WONT DROWN."

    -dan

    --
    "please make sure that the person is your friend before you confirm"

  4. Peter Taylor said:


    OK - do you have children? Would you let them ride a bike without a helmet?
    If you wouldn't, what are you trying to say?

    Well, I do.
    This afternoon I went out with my 9 and 12 year olds and covered about
    30 miles.
    Neither wore helmets and it may surprise you taht we returned home
    unscathed - except for some very slight sunburn.

    Quoted message said:

    For the record, my kids have always ridden bikes. They have always worn
    helmets. They just see it as perfectly normal, and it has not put them off.
    And yes, all three have fallen off at times and on at least 4 occasions have
    had serious damage to the helmet.

    If they fall off so much and also hitting their heads then perhaps you
    should be asking why.

    John B
    PS: I think you may find it that Richard's post was a humourous one.

  5. Peter Taylor said:

    OK - do you have children?

    Can't speak for the OP but I do. 5 and 7.

    Quoted message said:

    Would you let them ride a bike without a helmet?

    Of course.

    Quoted message said:

    If you wouldn't, what are you trying to say?

    I think he was making a very good joke with more than a grain of
    truth, unfortunately.

    Quoted message said:

    For the record, my kids have always ridden bikes.

    Are we talking poncing about on Sustrans routes here or real cycling?
    If it's the former then the biggest danger they'll face is cuts &
    bruising; a helmet will help prevent this. If it's real on road
    cycling, to and from school for instance, the biggest danger is
    getting hit by a car. There's not a helmet made that even the
    manufacturers claim will save them then.

    Quoted message said:

    They have always worn
    helmets. They just see it as perfectly normal, and it has not put them off.
    And yes, all three have fallen off at times and on at least 4 occasions have
    had serious damage to the helmet.

    So?

  6. On Sun, 16 May 2004 18:33:35 +0100, "Peter Taylor"
    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    <[email hidden]>:

    Quoted message said:

    OK - do you have children?

    Yes

    Quoted message said:

    Would you let them ride a bike without a helmet?

    Yes.

    Next?

    Guy
    --
    May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
    http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk

    88% of helmet statistics are made up, 65% of them at Washington University

  7. JohnB said:
    Peter Taylor said:


    OK - do you have children? Would you let them ride a bike without a
    helmet? If you wouldn't, what are you trying to say?

    Well, I do.
    This afternoon I went out with my 9 and 12 year olds and covered about
    30 miles.
    Neither wore helmets and it may surprise you taht we returned home
    unscathed - except for some very slight sunburn.

    Perhaps they should be wearing cotton sun-hats ?
    At least they offer some protection against a risk which is reasonably well
    understood (skin cancers).

    I went out for about 5 hours riding today; the wide brimmed floppy sunhat
    had its first decent ride of the season.

    Quoted message said:

    John B
    PS: I think you may find it that Richard's post was a humourous one.

    Yes, I thought it was funny too.

    - Nigel

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    Replies to newsgroup postings to the newsgroup please.

  8. in message <[email hidden]>, Peter Taylor

    (') said:

    OK - do you have children? Would you let them ride a bike without a
    helmet? If you wouldn't, what are you trying to say?

    For the record, I have no children.

    Quoted message said:

    For the record, my kids have always ridden bikes. They have always
    worn
    helmets. They just see it as perfectly normal, and it has not put
    them off.

    What benefit do you believe this offers them? If you think it's
    protecting them from scratches and bruises, fair enough, it probably
    is. If you think it offers more, you're deluding yourself and
    misleading your children - and that might, possibly, put them at more
    risk than they otherwise would be (although to be fair children tend to
    believe they're immortal anyway, so it probably makes little
    difference).

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

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  9. NC [email hidden] opined the following...

    Quoted message said:

    Perhaps they should be wearing cotton sun-hats ?
    At least they offer some protection against a risk which is reasonably well
    understood (skin cancers).

    A very sensible suggestion. On a whim I rode to North Berwick today (47
    miles all in). In my usual state of being stupendously badly organised I
    neglected to take food or money and had only one water bottle which
    contained energy drink. The outward journey was fast (Tailwind as
    always) and as I began the return, I felt the familiar feelings of
    dropping blood sugar level. Cue a rapid swig of my remaining drink and a
    gentle potter back to Edinburgh. The gorgeous sunshine has left me with
    mild reddening of the arms (Not a problem, will be gone by morning) and
    very mild sunstroke. The remainder of the evening was spent attempting
    to rehydrate.

    One day I hope to learn how to plan these routes so that I:

    a) Come home with a tailwind
    b) Take enough water
    c) Don't run out of energy

    Despite this it was a good ride, it's nice to be doing some distances
    again rather than sprinting round town all the time!

    Jon

  10. On Sun, 16 May 2004 19:03:03 +0100, Daniel Barlow <[email hidden]>
    wrote (more or less):

    Quoted message said:
    Peter Taylor said:

    For the record, my kids have always ridden bikes. They have always worn
    helmets. They just see it as perfectly normal, and it has not put them off.
    And yes, all three have fallen off at times and on at least 4 occasions have
    had serious damage to the helmet.

    I don't have kids, but I can remember being one. We used to play
    outside on bikes without helmets; between us I can think of several
    accidents which would probably have been helmet-damaging or
    helmet-destroying (e.g ramp on pavement with plank and bricks, brother
    goes over it too fast, applies front brake after leaving the ground)
    but which caused no skull or brain damage, and indeed required no
    professional medical attention.

    I was standing upright on a six foot wall at eh age of seven and
    slipped and fell, forehead first onto a hardcored surface.

    I didn't even get stitches.

    --
    Cheers,
    Euan
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  11. On Sun, 16 May 2004 18:33:35 +0100, "Peter Taylor"
    <[email hidden]> wrote (more or less):

    Quoted message said:

    OK - do you have children?

    Yes.

    Quoted message said:

    Would you let them ride a bike without a helmet?

    Yes.

    Quoted message said:

    If you wouldn't, what are you trying to say?

    I realise son, that the greatest danger to you while on a bike is
    being hit by a dozy or impatient motor vehicle driver.

    I realise that helmets won't help in those situations.

    I also realise that rise in helmet use have been associated with
    clealy identifiable /rises/ in head injuries to cyclists in London,
    the USA and Australia.

    If you're going to fall off your bike a helmet will help slightly in
    such cases. But these falls are almost never a cause of serious
    injury anyway, even unhelmetted.

    --
    Cheers,
    Euan
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  12. NC said:


    JohnB said:
    Peter Taylor said:


    OK - do you have children? Would you let them ride a bike without a
    helmet? If you wouldn't, what are you trying to say?

    Well, I do.
    This afternoon I went out with my 9 and 12 year olds and covered about
    30 miles.
    Neither wore helmets and it may surprise you taht we returned home
    unscathed - except for some very slight sunburn.

    Perhaps they should be wearing cotton sun-hats ?

    I'm not sure my daughter would have appreciated a sun-hat strapped to
    each forearm ;-)

    John B

  13. JohnB:

    Quoted message said:

    If they fall off so much and also hitting their heads then perhaps you
    should be asking why.

    Back in the day, my mates and I fashioned a kind of BMX track up in our
    local woods and we would spend hours on end bombing round with reckless
    abandon. We used to fall off occasionally but I don't recall anyone ever
    suffering anything worse than a few cuts and scrapes, and I certainly don't
    recall a single head injury - shins and ankles came in for the most damage,
    then hands and arms.

    From the evidence, it sounds like the OP is letting his kids go out on bikes
    that are not fit to ride, in which case shame on him. Either that or his
    kids are incompetent nitwits who ought to be on trikes. Someone buy that man
    a copy of Cyclecraft.

    d.

  14. Simon Brooke:

    Quoted message said:

    For the record, I have no children.

    No need for paranoia - I don't think there's anyone from the CSA on the ng.
    ;-)

    d.

  15. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Peter Taylor said:

    OK - do you have children? Would you let them ride a bike without a helmet?

    Yes and yes. Next question.

    Quoted message said:

    And yes, all three have fallen off at times and on at least 4 occasions have
    had serious damage to the helmet.

    Which is odd, because I suspect that most people here present rode bikes
    as children, and for anyone over thirty (twenty?) helmets for children
    simply didn't exist. Were the 1960s and 1970s a killing field for
    children on bikes? Has there been a marked decrease in child cycle
    deaths over the past decade?

    ian

  16. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Gawnsoft said:

    I was standing upright on a six foot wall at eh age of seven and
    slipped and fell, forehead first onto a hardcored surface.

    I didn't even get stitches.

    I fell a similar distance headfirst onto sharp rocks when I was about
    ten. I have a very small scar over one eyebrow, thanks to the excellent
    work with butterfly plaster by a Spanish doctor.

    ian

  17. Ian G Batten said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Gawnsoft said:

    I was standing upright on a six foot wall at eh age of seven and
    slipped and fell, forehead first onto a hardcored surface.

    I didn't even get stitches.

    I fell a similar distance headfirst onto sharp rocks when I was about
    ten. I have a very small scar over one eyebrow, thanks to the excellent
    work with butterfly plaster by a Spanish doctor.

    I fell (or was pushed) from a 3 foot high wall when I was about 6, and
    fell on my bonce. Fractured my skull. I blame my parents and Eric
    Martlew for not making me wear a playing helmet.

    --
    Keith Willoughby http://flat222.org/keith/
    Generalísimo Francisco Franco is still dead

  18. "Ian G Batten" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Which is odd, because I suspect that most people here present rode bikes
    as children, and for anyone over thirty (twenty?) helmets for children
    simply didn't exist. Were the 1960s and 1970s a killing field for
    children on bikes? Has there been a marked decrease in child cycle
    deaths over the past decade?

    I was killed several times as a kid (they didn't have helmets in those days)
    riding into the back of a parked car and a caravan and falling off in general.
    I'm only alive today because the grim reaper was busy having another pint of
    Greene King at the time.

    Tony

  19. Keith Willoughby:

    Quoted message said:

    I fell (or was pushed) from a 3 foot high wall when I was about 6, and
    fell on my bonce. Fractured my skull. I blame my parents and Eric
    Martlew for not making me wear a playing helmet.

    I fell off a climbing frame when I was 8 and broke my arm. I blame my
    parents and Eric Martlew for not making me wear a playing helmet.

    d.

  20. davek said:


    JohnB:

    Quoted message said:

    If they fall off so much and also hitting their heads then perhaps you
    should be asking why.

    Quoted message said:

    From the evidence, it sounds like the OP is letting his kids go out on bikes
    that are not fit to ride, in which case shame on him. Either that or his
    kids are incompetent nitwits who ought to be on trikes.

    Oi you. A complete retraction is demanded or else.
    I were on me trice :-O

    John B

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