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  1. http://www.greeleytrib.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20040519/NEWS/105190
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    Middle school student sells his prescription medicine to classmates

    Middle school student sells his prescription medicine to classmates

    Story by Amy Speer
    May 19, 2004

    A 14-year-old Windsor Middle School student took his prescription medicine to
    school and sold pills to at least 10 other students.

    The male teen sold 30 milligram pills of Adderall for $2.50 a piece, according
    to Windsor police reports.

    Adderall, a stimulant, is used for the treatment of narcolepsy, obesity and
    attention deficit hyperactive disorder. According to police reports, the
    student was taking Adderall for ADHD.

    Names of the students involved cannot be released because of their age and
    nature of the crimes.

    The sales happened over a period of three days, May 10-12, with the first sale
    happening on a school bus, according to reports. Some of the students told
    police they took the pills.

    A police investigation will continue with the Weld District Attorney's Office
    to determine charges. Distribution of a controlled substance is a felony. By
    law, the only person listed on the prescription can ingest the pills.

    The students will also face disciplinary action by the school, Windsor Re-4
    Superintendent Brian Lessman said. The student who distributed the drug may
    face expulsion, with those in possession of the prescription facing five-day
    suspensions.

    "This is a concern at any level," Lessman said. "Obviously, we want kids to be
    safe, and being safe doesn't mean messing around with prescription drugs. While
    this drug wasn't illegal, it certainly is an illicit drug. The message we want
    to get to kids is protect your medications."

    Lessman said the incident appears to be an isolated one.

    "There is nothing related to this specific incident that would tell me that
    this is anything more than a random occurrence," Lessman said. "But we need to
    deal with it, so it stays that way."

    According to the National Institute on Drug Abuse, this kind of drug abuse
    isn't isolated -- it's a nationwide problem.

    An estimated 9 million people age 12 and older used prescription drugs for
    nonmedical reasons in 1999; more than a quarter of that number reported using
    prescription drugs nonmedically for the first time in the previous year.

    Ritalin, another prescription drug used for ADHD treatment, has been abused by
    middle and high school students and among middle and upper-middle class
    communities in Baltimore, Boston, Detroit, Minneapolis and Phoenix, the drug
    abuse agency said.

    Some of the Windsor Middle School students told police officers they asked
    their 14-year-old classmate to bring more pills the next day.

    "This is behavior we cannot condone at any level," Lessman said.

    Windsor Tribune reporter Nikolaus Olsen contributed to this report.

    ABOUT ADDERALL

    The prescription drug Adderall contains amphetamine and dextroamphetamine,
    which are stimulants. Stimulants enhance brain activity, causing an increase in
    alertness, attention and energy that is accompanied by elevated blood pressure
    and increased heart rate and respiration. Abuse of Adderall and other
    amphetamine drugs, like Dexedrine, can produce behavioral psychological effects
    similar to cocaine. Drugs containing methylphenidate, such as Ritalin and
    Concerta, also produce similar reactions.

    These amphetamines are classified as a Schedule II controlled substance, a
    classification given to medical drugs with one of the highest abuse potential
    and dependence profiles. Schedule II drugs require greater storage security and
    have a quota on manufacturing, among other restrictions. They are available
    only by prescription.

    Historically, stimulants were used to treat asthma and other respiratory
    problems, obesity, neurological disorders, and a variety of other ailments. But
    as their potential for abuse and addiction became apparent, the medical use of
    stimulants began to wane.

    -- National Institute on Drug Abuse and www.whatmeds.com

  2. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re:Popular Drugs
    From: [email hidden] (Jan)
    Date: 5/19/2004 3:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Middle school student sells his prescription medicine to classmates

    is there a point to this Jan??

    do you think NONE of us hasn't heard this before??

    does this make meds for ADD bad or wrong??

    no...it makes this kid more interested in money than whatever ails him

    it makes you look like a fool...

    hawki.....

  3. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re:Popular Drugs
    From: [email hidden] (Hawki63)
    Date: 5/19/2004 2:59 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re:Popular Drugs
    From: [email hidden] (Jan)
    Date: 5/19/2004 3:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Middle school student sells his prescription medicine to classmates

    is there a point to this Jan??

    Yes.

    Quoted message said:

    it makes you look like a fool...

    Your usual [censored] is noted.

    Jan

    Now back to the subject.

    According to the National Institute on Drug Abuse, this kind of drug abuse
    isn't isolated -- it's a nationwide problem.

    An estimated 9 million people age 12 and older used prescription drugs for
    nonmedical reasons in 1999; more than a quarter of that number reported using
    prescription drugs nonmedically for the first time in the previous year.

    Ritalin, another prescription drug used for ADHD treatment, has been abused by
    middle and high school students and among middle and upper-middle class
    communities in Baltimore, Boston, Detroit, Minneapolis and Phoenix, the drug
    abuse agency said.

    And insane organized medicine wants to start this drugging at age 18 months.

    Anyone who can't see the point is blinded or lying.

    Jan

  4. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re:Popular Drugs
    From: [email hidden] (Jan)
    Date: 5/19/2004 9:52 PM Pacific Daylight Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    that's right...just re post it...someone may not have gotten their laugh at Jan
    today

    hawki.....

  5. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re:Popular Drugs
    From: [email hidden] (Jan)
    Date: 5/19/2004 9:52 PM Pacific Daylight Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    An estimated 9 million people age 12 and older used prescription drugs for
    nonmedical reasons in 1999; more than a quarter of that number reported using
    prescription drugs nonmedically for the first time in the previous year.

    yep....do you miss the words "nonmedical reasons?"

    Quoted message said:

    Ritalin, another prescription drug used for ADHD treatment, has been abused
    by
    middle and high school students and among middle and upper-middle class
    communities in Baltimore, Boston, Detroit, Minneapolis and Phoenix, the drug

    do we need to remind you that these are cases where kids are NOT taking it for
    diagnosed conditions,,,but to get high??

    is there something you don't understand??

    do you know that Alzheimer's is genetic???

    I'd be worried if I were you...

    hawki.....

  6. [email hidden] (Hawki63) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re:Popular Drugs
    From: [email hidden] (Jan)
    Date: 5/19/2004 3:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Middle school student sells his prescription medicine to classmates

    is there a point to this Jan??

    do you think NONE of us hasn't heard this before??

    does this make meds for ADD bad or wrong??

    no...it makes this kid more interested in money than whatever ails him

    it makes you look like a fool...

    hawki.....

    By the same logic, Jan is against painkillers for people who have
    cancer. After all, OxyContin is well known as a potential drug of
    abuse -- IF TAKEN FOR THE PURPOSE OF GETTING HIGH -- but it is
    nonetheless invaluable for the relief of pain.

    OxyContin is illegally sold on the streets, ergo it is a bad drug and
    should be banned. As should morphine, ketamine, fentanyl, etc.

    Did you know that cocaine has medical uses? We KNOW cocaine is a drug
    of abuse, so let's ban it because it might get into the wrong hands.

    We already see this idiocy in the medical marijuana debate. Marijuana
    has a potent appetite stimulating effect; a valuable effect for those
    with AIDS or cancer related wasting. But since it's also possible to
    get high on marijuana, we just can't have it available...

    You can even get a buzz if you purposefully take enough
    dextromethorphan; should Robitussin be banned?

    Pseudephedrine is the primary ingredient in making crystal meth.
    Should Sudafed be banned?

    -----------------------------------

    Ritalin has valid uses. Ritalin can also be used to get high if you
    use it illegally. The point is, when used in the appropriate doses,
    for the appropriate reasons, kids do not get high on it. End of
    story.

    Mark, MD

  7. [email hidden] (Mark) wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    Ritalin has valid uses. Ritalin can also be used to get high if you
    use it illegally. The point is, when used in the appropriate doses,
    for the appropriate reasons, kids do not get high on it. End of
    story.

    This fact makes me quite skeptical about the notion that kids who were
    prescribed Ritalin are selling it, in any significant numbers, to other
    kids for recreational use. The dose of Ritalin needed to get high is
    *much* greater than the dose used in treating ADHD. In the US,
    prescriptions for Ritalin are limited to a 30-day supply and are not
    refillable. So if a kid with a legitimate prescription for Ritalin sells
    enough of it to be of "recreational" value to someone else (remember that
    one or even two pills isn't enough), his supply is going to run out
    quickly, and *somebody* is going to notice that (from exacerbation of ADHD
    symptoms due to not taking Ritalin after the supply runs out, from an
    unexplained request for early re-prescription, or simply from parental
    monitoring of the supply). It would really be quite difficult to hide.

  8. "Eric Bohlman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    [email hidden] (Mark) wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    Ritalin has valid uses. Ritalin can also be used to get high if you
    use it illegally. The point is, when used in the appropriate doses,
    for the appropriate reasons, kids do not get high on it. End of
    story.

    This fact makes me quite skeptical about the notion that kids who were
    prescribed Ritalin are selling it, in any significant numbers, to other
    kids for recreational use. The dose of Ritalin needed to get high is
    *much* greater than the dose used in treating ADHD.

    The studies by Nora Volkow, now head of NIDA, showed that the manner of
    ingestion, oral, nasal injection, has a dramatic effect on the persons
    ability to get high. IIRC, an IV administration of what would otherwise be a
    therapuetic dose can produce a high. However, if anyone wants aluminum(?)
    based binders floating around unaborbed in their blood stream, that is their
    business. From my expereince, this i swhat cause smany of th emore serious
    adverse effects. Thus, the old adage, safe and effective, when taken as
    prescribed.

    In the US,

    Quoted message said:

    prescriptions for Ritalin are limited to a 30-day supply and are not
    refillable. So if a kid with a legitimate prescription for Ritalin sells
    enough of it to be of "recreational" value to someone else (remember that
    one or even two pills isn't enough), his supply is going to run out
    quickly, and *somebody* is going to notice that (from exacerbation of ADHD
    symptoms due to not taking Ritalin after the supply runs out, from an
    unexplained request for early re-prescription, or simply from parental
    monitoring of the supply). It would really be quite difficult to hide.

    Agreed. Original formulation Ritalin is very short acting, with a few hour
    serum half-life, thus necessitating a mid day dose. This is the *exact*
    reason why the pharmaceutical companies came up with Concerta, etc. The
    newer medication allow the parent, and not the school, to monitor the
    medication.

    Even my son, who is about to be 21, prefers that I monitor his medications
    and keep them secure. He recently went on a weekend trip with some friends
    and was very careful not to allow access to his meds. He is going on a
    cruise this summer (Queen Mary 2) with friends, and will have his medc
    retained by the medical staff aboard ship. They are pleased to do so.

  9. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Popular Drugs
    From: [email hidden] (Mark)
    Date: 5/20/2004 8:35 AM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    [email hidden] (Hawki63) wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re:Popular Drugs
    From: [email hidden] (Jan)
    Date: 5/19/2004 3:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Middle school student sells his prescription medicine to classmates

    is there a point to this Jan??

    do you think NONE of us hasn't heard this before??

    does this make meds for ADD bad or wrong??

    no...it makes this kid more interested in money than whatever ails him

    it makes you look like a fool...

    hawki.....

    By the same logic, Jan is against painkillers for people who have
    cancer

    Showing the logic of the *gang*.

    <snip>

    Quoted message said:

    Ritalin has valid uses. Ritalin can also be used to get high if you
    use it illegally. The point is, when used in the appropriate doses,
    for the appropriate reasons, kids do not get high on it. End of
    story.

    Wrong, the story is, it has become a street drug. It is popular like the title
    states, it is handed out like candy. it is easy to get, and the MD's should
    look in the mirror, they are the ones who prescribe it.

    The rate of giving it to preschoolers has increased 369 precent, when just a
    few years ago, it was not to be given to kids under six. Now the move is on the
    start at age 18 months.

    This is organized medicine, and insane.

    Jan

  10. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Popular Drugs
    From: Eric Bohlman [email hidden]
    Date: 5/20/2004 9:23 AM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    [email hidden] (Mark) wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    Ritalin has valid uses. Ritalin can also be used to get high if you
    use it illegally. The point is, when used in the appropriate doses,
    for the appropriate reasons, kids do not get high on it. End of
    story.

    This fact makes me quite skeptical about the notion that kids who were
    prescribed Ritalin are selling it

    You need to get out more.

    http://abcnews.go.com/sections/GMA/Living/GMA030225Ritalin_abuse.html

    Results 1 - 10 of about 18,900 for kids selling Ritalin.

    http://www.cbc.ca/consumers/market/files/health/ritalin/

    http://www.depression-stress-relief.com/stressrelief/ritalin/abusing-rital
    in.html

    Jan

  11. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Popular Drugs
    From: "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 20, 2004" M.a.r.kP.r.o.b.e.r.t
    [email hidden]
    Date: 5/20/2004 12:02 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    <snip>

    Quoted message said:

    Even my son, who is about to be 21, prefers that I monitor his medications
    and keep them secure. He recently went on a weekend trip with some friends
    and was very careful not to allow access to his meds. He is going on a
    cruise this summer (Queen Mary 2) with friends, and will have his medc
    retained by the medical staff aboard ship. They are pleased to do so.

    *Anecdotes can be made up. They teach how in the P.T. Barnum School Of
    Internet Marketing, Scamming and MLMing.*
    Mark Probert

  12. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Popular Drugs
    From: [email hidden] (Jan)
    Date: 5/20/2004 7:32 PM Pacific Daylight Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    By the same logic, Jan is against painkillers for people who have

    Quoted message said:

    cancer

    Quoted message said:

    Showing the logic of the *gang*

    ahhhh...yep...do you know what LOGIC means??

    painkillers are also "street drugs" now...does that mean they should be
    banned??

    Quoted message said:

    Wrong, the story is, it has become a street drug. It is popular like the
    title

    as are painkillers....your point??

    don't give painkillers to those that need them..cuz someone might sell them??

    Quoted message said:

    The rate of giving it to preschoolers has increased 369 precent, when just a
    few years ago, it was not to be given to kids under six. Now the move is on
    the
    start at age 18 months.

    diversion...or do you know preschoolers or those under 6 selling theirs??

    probably you do..

    hawki.....

  13. [email hidden] (Jan) wrote

    <snip>

    Quoted message said:

    Now the move is on the start at age 18 months.

    This is organized medicine, and insane.

    Jan

    Okay, Jan. You're going to have to show me some evidence that the
    move in organized medicine is to start giving ADHD meds to 18 month
    old children. If you can't come up with any rationale for this claim,
    I'll just have to assume that you made it up for its inflammatory
    effect.

    Mark, MD

  14. "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Popular Drugs
    From: "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 20, 2004" M.a.r.kP.r.o.b.e.r.t
    [email hidden]
    Date: 5/20/2004 12:02 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    <snip>

    Quoted message said:

    Even my son, who is about to be 21, prefers that I monitor his


    medications

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    and keep them secure. He recently went on a weekend trip with some


    friends

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    and was very careful not to allow access to his meds. He is going on a
    cruise this summer (Queen Mary 2) with friends, and will have his medc
    retained by the medical staff aboard ship. They are pleased to do so.

    *Anecdotes can be made up. They teach how in the P.T. Barnum School Of
    Internet Marketing, Scamming and MLMing.*
    Mark Probert

    In this case, my anecdote is proof...I practice what I preach, and have
    instilled the same care and concerns in my children.

  15. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Popular Drugs
    From: Eric Bohlman [email hidden]
    Date: 5/20/2004 9:23 AM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    [email hidden] (Mark) wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    Ritalin has valid uses. Ritalin can also be used to get high if you
    use it illegally. The point is, when used in the appropriate doses,
    for the appropriate reasons, kids do not get high on it. End of
    story.

    This fact makes me quite skeptical about the notion that kids who were
    prescribed Ritalin are selling it

    You need to get out more.

    http://abcnews.go.com/sections/GMA/Living/GMA030225Ritalin_abuse.html

    Results 1 - 10 of about 18,900 for kids selling Ritalin.

    Results 1 - 20 of about 259 for jan sells ritalin. (0.11 seconds

    Quoted message said:

    http://www.cbc.ca/consumers/market/files/health/ritalin/

    http://www.depression-stress-relief.com/stressrelief/ritalin/abusing-rital
    in.html

  16. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Popular Drugs
    From: "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 21, 2004" M.a.r.kP.r.o.b.e.r.t
    [email hidden]
    Date: 5/21/2004 6:55 AM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Popular Drugs
    From: "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 20, 2004" M.a.r.kP.r.o.b.e.r.t
    [email hidden]
    Date: 5/20/2004 12:02 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    <snip>

    Quoted message said:

    Even my son, who is about to be 21, prefers that I monitor his


    medications

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    and keep them secure. He recently went on a weekend trip with some


    friends

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    and was very careful not to allow access to his meds. He is going on a
    cruise this summer (Queen Mary 2) with friends, and will have his medc
    retained by the medical staff aboard ship. They are pleased to do so.

    *Anecdotes can be made up. They teach how in the P.T. Barnum School Of
    Internet Marketing, Scamming and MLMing.*
    Mark Probert

    In this case, my anecdote is proof.

    Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhm yes. The ones from the *gang* are true.

    Quoted message said:

    .I practice what I preach, and have
    instilled the same care and concerns in my children.

    God help them as your practice here is mostly bullying, lying, making things up
    and belittling. Have you told them about Marla?????

    Jan

  17. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Popular Drugs
    From: [email hidden] (Mark)
    Date: 5/21/2004 6:55 AM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    [email hidden] (Jan) wrote

    <snip>

    Quoted message said:

    Now the move is on the start at age 18 months.

    This is organized medicine, and insane.

    Jan

    Okay, Jan. You're going to have to show me some evidence that the
    move in organized medicine is to start giving ADHD meds to 18 month
    old children. If you can't come up with any rationale for this claim,
    I'll just have to assume that you made it up for its inflammatory
    effect.

    Mark, MD

    Had you bothered to do a search you would have found it. You should know by
    now, I don't make things up.

    From: Jan ([email hidden])
    Subject: Re: Drugging Kids-Start Early: 18 Months
    View: Complete Thread (2 articles)
    Original Format
    Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
    Date: 2004-01-31 14:31:42 PST

    This is insanity, and is EVIL. Anyone who can't see it is totally brainwashed.

    http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/lifeandstyle/health/articles/8211049?version=1

    Ritalin 'may cause damage to brains'

    By Pravin Char, Metro

    17 December 2003

    Children given Ritalin to control hyperactivity could be permanently brain
    damaged, it was claimed yesterday.

    Research suggests the controversial 'chemical cosh' drug raises the risk of
    depression and anxiety in adulthood.

    Ritalin alters the brain's chemical composition so that it has a lasting effect
    on mental health, US scientists believe. Because these changes take place while
    a child's brain is growing, they could cause irreversiblle damage

    The findings will alarm parents using the drug to control a child's attention
    deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD).

    British GPs dispensed a record 254,000 Ritalin prescriptions last year, up from
    208,500 in 2001. One in 20 children is said to have ADHD, which makes them
    boisterous and unfocused.

    'It is vitally important we evaluate the long-term effects of these drugs,'
    said Dr Nora Volkow, director of the US National Institute on Drug Abuse.

    Although American studies involved laboratory rats, the doses given were
    comparable to those used on children.

    In one test, giving Ritalin to young, healthy rats increased the presence of
    certain chemicals linked to depression in adults. Asecond study found higher
    levels of stress hormones and anxietylike behaviours.

    Last night, Shadow children's minister Tim Loughton urged the Government to
    investigate Ritalin use.

    The Royal College of Paediatrics said: 'Ritalin has been used for 40 years. If
    there was a long-term side-effect, it would have been discovered by now.'

    Novartis, the company which makes Ritalin, insisted there was no clinical link
    to depression or anxiety disorders.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/thisweek/story/0,12977,1004390,00.html

    Is it safe for children to take Ritalin?

    David Adam
    Thursday July 24, 2003
    The Guardian

    If not, then we're storing up a whole heap of trouble. New figures this week
    show that use of the drug given to calm hyperactive children has soared
    100-fold in Britain in the past decade. Doctors dispensed 254,000 prescriptions
    of it last year, up from 2,000 or so given annually in the early 1990s.
    Ritalin has been approved for use in children over five years old who suffer
    from Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD), but many doctors
    prescribe the drug - also known as methylphenidate - for children as young as
    18 months.

    The drug is widely considered safe, but few long-term studies have been done
    because of the ethical difficulties of experimenting with children. And some
    scientists are concerned how the drug - a powerful stimulant shown to have a
    similar effect to cocaine - could affect developing brains. One high profile
    investigation in 2001 did suggest that Ritalin triggered changes to brain
    function. But Joan Baizer, who led the research at Buffalo University, New York
    says its results were largely exaggerated. "It was a preliminary report on
    basic research in rats _ it doesn't imply anything about a long-term health
    effect," she says.

    Dave Woodhouse, who runs an ADHD clinic at the University of Teesside says some
    evidence is emerging that children taking Ritalin for several years show
    reduced cognitive ability, but this work is also at an early stage and has not
    yet been published.

    A controversial three-year clinical trial of Ritalin use among hundreds of
    preschool US youngsters diagnosed with ADHD is due to report next year. The
    study is led by Laurence Greenhill of the New York State Psychiatric Institute
    and is the first to look at the effects of a drug on children as young as
    three.

    ==

    You also might be interested in the fact, preschoolers were sought for drug
    studies, back in 2001.

    http://tinyurl.com/2g575

    As a ped doc, I am surprised you do NOT know this. Good thing I am here.

    Jan

  18. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Popular Drugs
    From:>[email hidden]

    Andrew Kingoff

    Quoted message said:
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    Results 1 - 10 of about 18,900 for kids selling Ritalin.

    Results 1 - 20 of about 259 for jan sells ritalin. (0.11 seconds

    Thank you for reaffiming and the proof the Jewish boychik lies on this ng.

    Jan

  19. (Jan) said:

    Thank you for reaffiming and the proof the Jewish boychik lies on this ng.

    Jan

    Why does Jan Drew continue to mention the religion of the person in
    her posts when she attacks them??

    Since someone told Jan that boychik is not a Jewish slur she has
    chosen to use that term whenever she attacks someone of the Jewish
    faith. This just adds proof that Jan is anti-semitic.

    There is absolutely no reason for Jan to mention that a poster is
    Jewish when she attacks them. Actually there is a reason. Jan is a Jew
    hater. Jesus is a Jew. Poor Jan.

    I suggest that Jan Drew talk to her pastor about her hatred toward
    Jews. Perhaps her pastor can help Jan deal with this rage which is
    consuming her.

    Aloha,

    Rich

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    The best defense to logic is ignorance

  20. <Rich.@.> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    (Jan) said:

    Thank you for reaffiming and the proof the Jewish boychik lies on this


    ng.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    Jan

    Why does Jan Drew continue to mention the religion of the person in
    her posts when she attacks them??

    It is an easy way for the mentally lazy to dismiss someone's opinions
    without thinking about them. It is like in politics, where one persons
    dismesses someone because they are "liberal" or "conservative", etc. I call
    it thinking by label.

    Quoted message said:

    Since someone told Jan that boychik is not a Jewish slur she has
    chosen to use that term whenever she attacks someone of the Jewish
    faith. This just adds proof that Jan is anti-semitic.

    Yes. A true anti-semite would do exactly what she has done. What she does
    not realize is that by doing this, she is demonstrating her bigotry. She
    apparently thinks that it is OK to do it, and does not realize that the
    raising of one's religion is what demonstrates her antisemitism, not how she
    does it.

    Quoted message said:

    There is absolutely no reason for Jan to mention that a poster is
    Jewish when she attacks them. Actually there is a reason. Jan is a Jew
    hater. Jesus is a Jew. Poor Jan.

    Jan HATES Jesus. That is the only logical conclusion.

    Quoted message said:

    I suggest that Jan Drew talk to her pastor about her hatred toward
    Jews. Perhaps her pastor can help Jan deal with this rage which is
    consuming her.

    I would love to know who her pastor is, so I could mail him her posts. I
    hope that he will be able to get her the help she so desperately needs.

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