Re: poll: do you keep a log?

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(Rutabaga22) said:

I keep a similar log with similar notation, but with much, much lighter

weights

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(most people think they're heavy). That's quite a routine Keith.

I basically follow Kono's routine now. Speed and technique work followed
by strength work. Up to 10 sets per exercise if I feel good.

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In article <[email hidden]>,

(Rutabaga22) said:

I keep a similar log with similar notation, but with much, much lighter

weights

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(most people think they're heavy). That's quite a routine Keith.

I basically follow Kono's routine now. Speed and technique work followed
by strength work. Up to 10 sets per exercise if I feel good.

What do you think of his $40 knee wraps?

http://www.tommykono.com/pages/1/index.htm

In article <[email hidden]>, "Vladimir Vladimirovich"

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In article <[email hidden]>,

(Rutabaga22) said:

I keep a similar log with similar notation, but with much, much lighter

weights

Quoted message said:

(most people think they're heavy). That's quite a routine Keith.

I basically follow Kono's routine now. Speed and technique work followed
by strength work. Up to 10 sets per exercise if I feel good.

What do you think of his $40 knee wraps?

http://www.tommykono.com/pages/1/index.htm

Whooo boy. What a crock.

The picture they are using showing the knee wraps? The wraps are morped on
in photoshop or something. I've seen the original. Amazing that in all the
pictures I've seen of Kono including his book I've never seen him using a
wrap.

I guess TK has to make some money somehow. Wish he would stick to the books...

--
Keith

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In article <[email hidden]>, "Vladimir Vladimirovich"

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In article <[email hidden]>,
[email hidden] (Rutabaga22) wrote:

> I keep a similar log with similar notation, but with much, much

lighter

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weights
> (most people think they're heavy). That's quite a routine Keith.

I basically follow Kono's routine now. Speed and technique work

followed

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by strength work. Up to 10 sets per exercise if I feel good.

What do you think of his $40 knee wraps?

http://www.tommykono.com/pages/1/index.htm

Whooo boy. What a crock.

The picture they are using showing the knee wraps? The wraps are morped on
in photoshop or something. I've seen the original. Amazing that in all the
pictures I've seen of Kono including his book I've never seen him using a
wrap.

I guess TK has to make some money somehow. Wish he would stick to the

books...

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--
Keith

iirc kono pioneered the use of neoprene knee wraps (more like a knee sleeve)
by cutting the knee area out of a wetsuit.

whit

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In article <[email hidden]>, "Vladimir Vladimirovich"

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> In article <[email hidden]>,
> [email hidden] (Rutabaga22) wrote:
>
>> I keep a similar log with similar notation, but with much, much

lighter

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> weights
>> (most people think they're heavy). That's quite a routine Keith.
>
> I basically follow Kono's routine now. Speed and technique work

followed

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> by strength work. Up to 10 sets per exercise if I feel good.

What do you think of his $40 knee wraps?

http://www.tommykono.com/pages/1/index.htm

Whooo boy. What a crock.

The picture they are using showing the knee wraps? The wraps are morped on
in photoshop or something. I've seen the original. Amazing that in all the
pictures I've seen of Kono including his book I've never seen him using a
wrap.

I guess TK has to make some money somehow. Wish he would stick to the

books...

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--
Keith

iirc kono pioneered the use of neoprene knee wraps (more like a knee sleeve)
by cutting the knee area out of a wetsuit.

Yeah, but wasn't that after his career in oly lifting was over? 1964 or so?

Also, the pictured knee supports are sleeves, not powerlifters wraps.
Probably more in line with what you suggest - neoprene type of material
which mostly keeps the knees warm. I'm not sure I'd pay $50 for those,
tho, when I can keep the entire leg warm with sweats.

"Hobbes" <[email hidden]> wrote

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Also, the pictured knee supports are sleeves, not powerlifters wraps.
Probably more in line with what you suggest - neoprene type of material
which mostly keeps the knees warm. I'm not sure I'd pay $50 for those,
tho, when I can keep the entire leg warm with sweats.

Different kind of warm Keith. The neoprene does a superb job. Far more heat
penetrates the areas than can be acheived with sweats.

Back in the day I actually made some of these. You could (at that time) just
buy the neoprene in sheets and a can of glue. You cut out the desired shape
and just glued it up. I don't know what is available now.

Anyway, I made these for folks sho were rehabbing vatious joints. They
offer ZERO support. Just make the joint warm and toasty. Which often does
make it feel better, warm up faster and a little looser.

One popular item that folks who were working their lower backs that I used
as well was a big wrap of neoprene with a velcro fastener on it. Again, no
support. But the warmth did make everything feel better and made the rehab
folks feel a little more confident.

Lee Michaels

In article <[email hidden]>, "Lee Michaels"

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"Hobbes" <[email hidden]> wrote

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Also, the pictured knee supports are sleeves, not powerlifters wraps.
Probably more in line with what you suggest - neoprene type of material
which mostly keeps the knees warm. I'm not sure I'd pay $50 for those,
tho, when I can keep the entire leg warm with sweats.

Different kind of warm Keith. The neoprene does a superb job. Far more heat
penetrates the areas than can be acheived with sweats.

Back in the day I actually made some of these. You could (at that time) just
buy the neoprene in sheets and a can of glue. You cut out the desired shape
and just glued it up. I don't know what is available now.

Anyway, I made these for folks sho were rehabbing vatious joints. They
offer ZERO support. Just make the joint warm and toasty. Which often does
make it feel better, warm up faster and a little looser.

One popular item that folks who were working their lower backs that I used
as well was a big wrap of neoprene with a velcro fastener on it. Again, no
support. But the warmth did make everything feel better and made the rehab
folks feel a little more confident.

Kono is coming out with that, too.

I've always felt Kono was a class act, so I'm going to reserve judgement
on this. But I don't see any reason to pay a premium to get the TK brand
if neoprene is all that is required. OTOH, all else being equal I'd buy
from Kono.

Lee Michaels said:

"Hobbes" <[email hidden]> wrote

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Also, the pictured knee supports are sleeves, not powerlifters wraps.
Probably more in line with what you suggest - neoprene type of material
which mostly keeps the knees warm. I'm not sure I'd pay $50 for those,
tho, when I can keep the entire leg warm with sweats.

Different kind of warm Keith. The neoprene does a superb job. Far more heat
penetrates the areas than can be acheived with sweats.

Back in the day I actually made some of these. You could (at that time) just
buy the neoprene in sheets and a can of glue. You cut out the desired shape
and just glued it up. I don't know what is available now.

Old surfing wet suit cut downs are suitable for this job, which I have
used for knees and elbows, particularly for playing rugby on hard
surfaces.

Also the same principle for a lumbar body style wrap you mention
below, which in survival conditions I found invaluable for warmth, and
not as cumbersome as other types of layered clothing.

Even if they get wet, they warm the moisture and retain the heat.

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Anyway, I made these for folks sho were rehabbing vatious joints. They
offer ZERO support. Just make the joint warm and toasty. Which often does
make it feel better, warm up faster and a little looser.

One popular item that folks who were working their lower backs that I used
as well was a big wrap of neoprene with a velcro fastener on it. Again, no
support. But the warmth did make everything feel better and made the rehab
folks feel a little more confident.

Good advice for all sorts of applications.

Have a great weekend Lee - you know I will!! ;o)

TFIF!!

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Lee Michaels said:

"Hobbes" <[email hidden]> wrote

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Also, the pictured knee supports are sleeves, not powerlifters wraps.
Probably more in line with what you suggest - neoprene type of material
which mostly keeps the knees warm. I'm not sure I'd pay $50 for those,
tho, when I can keep the entire leg warm with sweats.

Different kind of warm Keith. The neoprene does a superb job. Far more

heat

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penetrates the areas than can be acheived with sweats.

Back in the day I actually made some of these. You could (at that time)

just

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

buy the neoprene in sheets and a can of glue. You cut out the desired

shape

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

and just glued it up. I don't know what is available now.

Old surfing wet suit cut downs are suitable for this job, which I have
used for knees and elbows, particularly for playing rugby on hard
surfaces.

Also the same principle for a lumbar body style wrap you mention
below, which in survival conditions I found invaluable for warmth, and
not as cumbersome as other types of layered clothing.

Even if they get wet, they warm the moisture and retain the heat.

Quoted message said:

Anyway, I made these for folks sho were rehabbing vatious joints. They
offer ZERO support. Just make the joint warm and toasty. Which often

does

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

make it feel better, warm up faster and a little looser.

One popular item that folks who were working their lower backs that I

used

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

as well was a big wrap of neoprene with a velcro fastener on it. Again,

no

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

support. But the warmth did make everything feel better and made the

rehab

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

folks feel a little more confident.

Good advice for all sorts of applications.

Have a great weekend Lee - you know I will!! ;o)

TFIF!!

Please Charles, you know that this person is a nasty troll - please do NOT
encourage him!

On Fri, 04 Feb 2005 15:50:38 GMT, "David" <[email hidden]>

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"Charles" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Lee Michaels said:

"Hobbes" <[email hidden]> wrote
>
> Also, the pictured knee supports are sleeves, not powerlifters wraps.
> Probably more in line with what you suggest - neoprene type of material
> which mostly keeps the knees warm. I'm not sure I'd pay $50 for those,
> tho, when I can keep the entire leg warm with sweats.

Different kind of warm Keith. The neoprene does a superb job. Far more

heat

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

penetrates the areas than can be acheived with sweats.

Back in the day I actually made some of these. You could (at that time)

just

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

buy the neoprene in sheets and a can of glue. You cut out the desired

shape

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

and just glued it up. I don't know what is available now.

Old surfing wet suit cut downs are suitable for this job, which I have
used for knees and elbows, particularly for playing rugby on hard
surfaces.

Also the same principle for a lumbar body style wrap you mention
below, which in survival conditions I found invaluable for warmth, and
not as cumbersome as other types of layered clothing.

Even if they get wet, they warm the moisture and retain the heat.

Quoted message said:

Anyway, I made these for folks sho were rehabbing vatious joints. They
offer ZERO support. Just make the joint warm and toasty. Which often

does

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

make it feel better, warm up faster and a little looser.

One popular item that folks who were working their lower backs that I

used

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

as well was a big wrap of neoprene with a velcro fastener on it. Again,

no

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

support. But the warmth did make everything feel better and made the

rehab

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

folks feel a little more confident.

Good advice for all sorts of applications.

Have a great weekend Lee - you know I will!! ;o)

TFIF!!

Please Charles, you know that this person is a nasty troll - please do NOT
encourage him!

There's no chance of cross-pollution as he has me "killfiled", and I
have taken the precaution of writing in English, a method of
communication with which you know both he and Brinks are not overly
familiar!! ;o)

HAGW!!

TFIF

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On Fri, 04 Feb 2005 15:50:38 GMT, "David" <[email hidden]>

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"Charles" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 09:57:59 -0500, "Lee Michaels"
<[email hidden]> wrote:

>
>"Hobbes" <[email hidden]> wrote
>>
>> Also, the pictured knee supports are sleeves, not powerlifters wraps.
>> Probably more in line with what you suggest - neoprene type of material
>> which mostly keeps the knees warm. I'm not sure I'd pay $50 for those,
>> tho, when I can keep the entire leg warm with sweats.
>
>Different kind of warm Keith. The neoprene does a superb job. Far more

heat

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>penetrates the areas than can be acheived with sweats.
>
>Back in the day I actually made some of these. You could (at that time)

just

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>buy the neoprene in sheets and a can of glue. You cut out the desired

shape

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>and just glued it up. I don't know what is available now.

Old surfing wet suit cut downs are suitable for this job, which I have
used for knees and elbows, particularly for playing rugby on hard
surfaces.

Also the same principle for a lumbar body style wrap you mention
below, which in survival conditions I found invaluable for warmth, and
not as cumbersome as other types of layered clothing.

Even if they get wet, they warm the moisture and retain the heat.

>
>Anyway, I made these for folks sho were rehabbing vatious joints. They
>offer ZERO support. Just make the joint warm and toasty. Which often

does

Quoted message said:

>make it feel better, warm up faster and a little looser.
>
>One popular item that folks who were working their lower backs that I

used

Quoted message said:

>as well was a big wrap of neoprene with a velcro fastener on it. Again,

no

Quoted message said:

>support. But the warmth did make everything feel better and made the

rehab

Quoted message said:

>folks feel a little more confident.

Good advice for all sorts of applications.

Have a great weekend Lee - you know I will!! ;o)

TFIF!!

Please Charles, you know that this person is a nasty troll - please do NOT
encourage him!

There's no chance of cross-pollution as he has me "killfiled", and I
have taken the precaution of writing in English, a method of
communication with which you know both he and Brinks are not overly
familiar!! ;o)

Oh jeez...

I hate to encourage you since Will and Lee are both valuable contributors,
but I spit my coffee all over the monitor. Great shot!

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In article <[email hidden]>, Charles

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On Fri, 04 Feb 2005 15:50:38 GMT, "David" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

"Charles" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 09:57:59 -0500, "Lee Michaels"
> <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Hobbes" <[email hidden]> wrote
> >>
> >> Also, the pictured knee supports are sleeves, not powerlifters
> >> wraps.
> >> Probably more in line with what you suggest - neoprene type of
> >> material
> >> which mostly keeps the knees warm. I'm not sure I'd pay $50 for
> >> those,
> >> tho, when I can keep the entire leg warm with sweats.
> >
> >Different kind of warm Keith. The neoprene does a superb job. Far
> >more
heat
> >penetrates the areas than can be acheived with sweats.
> >
> >Back in the day I actually made some of these. You could (at that
> >time)
just
> >buy the neoprene in sheets and a can of glue. You cut out the
> >desired
shape
> >and just glued it up. I don't know what is available now.
>
> Old surfing wet suit cut downs are suitable for this job, which I have
> used for knees and elbows, particularly for playing rugby on hard
> surfaces.
>
> Also the same principle for a lumbar body style wrap you mention
> below, which in survival conditions I found invaluable for warmth, and
> not as cumbersome as other types of layered clothing.
>
> Even if they get wet, they warm the moisture and retain the heat.
>
> >
> >Anyway, I made these for folks sho were rehabbing vatious joints.
> >They
> >offer ZERO support. Just make the joint warm and toasty. Which often
does
> >make it feel better, warm up faster and a little looser.
> >
> >One popular item that folks who were working their lower backs that I
used
> >as well was a big wrap of neoprene with a velcro fastener on it.
> >Again,
no
> >support. But the warmth did make everything feel better and made the
rehab
> >folks feel a little more confident.
>
> Good advice for all sorts of applications.
>
> Have a great weekend Lee - you know I will!! ;o)
>
> TFIF!!
>
Please Charles, you know that this person is a nasty troll - please do
NOT
encourage him!

There's no chance of cross-pollution as he has me "killfiled", and I
have taken the precaution of writing in English, a method of
communication with which you know both he and Brinks are not overly
familiar!! ;o)

Oh jeez...

I hate to encourage you since Will and Lee are both valuable contributors,
but I spit my coffee all over the monitor. Great shot!

I will concede that HUDSON made a shot, however inaccurate it may be.

But I couldn't help noticing that David contributed nothing, as usual.

Unless you count trolling as a contribution.

On Fri, 04 Feb 2005 11:12:46 -0600, [email hidden] (Hobbes)

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In article <[email hidden]>, Charles

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On Fri, 04 Feb 2005 15:50:38 GMT, "David" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

"Charles" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 09:57:59 -0500, "Lee Michaels"
> <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Hobbes" <[email hidden]> wrote
> >>
> >> Also, the pictured knee supports are sleeves, not powerlifters wraps.
> >> Probably more in line with what you suggest - neoprene type of material
> >> which mostly keeps the knees warm. I'm not sure I'd pay $50 for those,
> >> tho, when I can keep the entire leg warm with sweats.
> >
> >Different kind of warm Keith. The neoprene does a superb job. Far more
heat
> >penetrates the areas than can be acheived with sweats.
> >
> >Back in the day I actually made some of these. You could (at that time)
just
> >buy the neoprene in sheets and a can of glue. You cut out the desired
shape
> >and just glued it up. I don't know what is available now.
>
> Old surfing wet suit cut downs are suitable for this job, which I have
> used for knees and elbows, particularly for playing rugby on hard
> surfaces.
>
> Also the same principle for a lumbar body style wrap you mention
> below, which in survival conditions I found invaluable for warmth, and
> not as cumbersome as other types of layered clothing.
>
> Even if they get wet, they warm the moisture and retain the heat.
>
> >
> >Anyway, I made these for folks sho were rehabbing vatious joints. They
> >offer ZERO support. Just make the joint warm and toasty. Which often
does
> >make it feel better, warm up faster and a little looser.
> >
> >One popular item that folks who were working their lower backs that I
used
> >as well was a big wrap of neoprene with a velcro fastener on it. Again,
no
> >support. But the warmth did make everything feel better and made the
rehab
> >folks feel a little more confident.
>
> Good advice for all sorts of applications.
>
> Have a great weekend Lee - you know I will!! ;o)
>
> TFIF!!
>
Please Charles, you know that this person is a nasty troll - please do NOT
encourage him!

There's no chance of cross-pollution as he has me "killfiled", and I
have taken the precaution of writing in English, a method of
communication with which you know both he and Brinks are not overly
familiar!! ;o)

Oh jeez...

I hate to encourage you since Will and Lee are both valuable contributors,
but I spit my coffee all over the monitor. Great shot!

Spray that again!! ;o)

Have a great weekend Keith - you know I will!! ;o)

TFIF!!

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In article <[email hidden]>, Charles

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On Fri, 04 Feb 2005 15:50:38 GMT, "David" <[email hidden]>
wrote:

>
>"Charles" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>> On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 09:57:59 -0500, "Lee Michaels"
>> <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"Hobbes" <[email hidden]> wrote
>> >>
>> >> Also, the pictured knee supports are sleeves, not powerlifters
>> >> wraps.
>> >> Probably more in line with what you suggest - neoprene type of
>> >> material
>> >> which mostly keeps the knees warm. I'm not sure I'd pay $50 for
>> >> those,
>> >> tho, when I can keep the entire leg warm with sweats.
>> >
>> >Different kind of warm Keith. The neoprene does a superb job. Far
>> >more
>heat
>> >penetrates the areas than can be acheived with sweats.
>> >
>> >Back in the day I actually made some of these. You could (at that
>> >time)
>just
>> >buy the neoprene in sheets and a can of glue. You cut out the
>> >desired
>shape
>> >and just glued it up. I don't know what is available now.
>>
>> Old surfing wet suit cut downs are suitable for this job, which I have
>> used for knees and elbows, particularly for playing rugby on hard
>> surfaces.
>>
>> Also the same principle for a lumbar body style wrap you mention
>> below, which in survival conditions I found invaluable for warmth, and
>> not as cumbersome as other types of layered clothing.
>>
>> Even if they get wet, they warm the moisture and retain the heat.
>>
>> >
>> >Anyway, I made these for folks sho were rehabbing vatious joints.
>> >They
>> >offer ZERO support. Just make the joint warm and toasty. Which often
>does
>> >make it feel better, warm up faster and a little looser.
>> >
>> >One popular item that folks who were working their lower backs that I
>used
>> >as well was a big wrap of neoprene with a velcro fastener on it.
>> >Again,
>no
>> >support. But the warmth did make everything feel better and made the
>rehab
>> >folks feel a little more confident.
>>
>> Good advice for all sorts of applications.
>>
>> Have a great weekend Lee - you know I will!! ;o)
>>
>> TFIF!!
>>
>Please Charles, you know that this person is a nasty troll - please do
>NOT
>encourage him!

There's no chance of cross-pollution as he has me "killfiled", and I
have taken the precaution of writing in English, a method of
communication with which you know both he and Brinks are not overly
familiar!! ;o)

Oh jeez...

I hate to encourage you since Will and Lee are both valuable contributors,
but I spit my coffee all over the monitor. Great shot!

I will concede that HUDSON made a shot, however inaccurate it may be.

heh

Why thank you kind Sir!

It was meant in fun, and was not meant to be 'accurate', but I do have
the URL of a translation site if it will help:

Http://www.learningwithmother.dummy

;o)

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But I couldn't help noticing that David contributed nothing, as usual

Unless you count trolling as a contribution.

Ah!! Come on Lee, where's your sense of humour? I'm sure if you gave
David and me a little more 'leeway' (pun intended), we would have a
great deal more fun!!

David is quite a funny chap you know, unless you're looking to be
offended, in which case you'll always find fault!

HAGW!!

TFIF!!

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On Fri, 04 Feb 2005 15:50:38 GMT, "David" <[email hidden]>
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>"Charles" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>> On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 09:57:59 -0500, "Lee Michaels"
>> <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"Hobbes" <[email hidden]> wrote
>> >>
>> >> Also, the pictured knee supports are sleeves, not powerlifters
>> >> wraps.
>> >> Probably more in line with what you suggest - neoprene type of
>> >> material
>> >> which mostly keeps the knees warm. I'm not sure I'd pay $50 for
>> >> those,
>> >> tho, when I can keep the entire leg warm with sweats.
>> >
>> >Different kind of warm Keith. The neoprene does a superb job. Far
>> >more
>heat
>> >penetrates the areas than can be acheived with sweats.
>> >
>> >Back in the day I actually made some of these. You could (at that
>> >time)
>just
>> >buy the neoprene in sheets and a can of glue. You cut out the
>> >desired
>shape
>> >and just glued it up. I don't know what is available now.
>>
>> Old surfing wet suit cut downs are suitable for this job, which I

have

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>> used for knees and elbows, particularly for playing rugby on hard
>> surfaces.
>>
>> Also the same principle for a lumbar body style wrap you mention
>> below, which in survival conditions I found invaluable for warmth,

and

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>> not as cumbersome as other types of layered clothing.
>>
>> Even if they get wet, they warm the moisture and retain the heat.
>>
>> >
>> >Anyway, I made these for folks sho were rehabbing vatious joints.
>> >They
>> >offer ZERO support. Just make the joint warm and toasty. Which

often

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>does
>> >make it feel better, warm up faster and a little looser.
>> >
>> >One popular item that folks who were working their lower backs that

I

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>used
>> >as well was a big wrap of neoprene with a velcro fastener on it.
>> >Again,
>no
>> >support. But the warmth did make everything feel better and made

the

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>rehab
>> >folks feel a little more confident.
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>> Good advice for all sorts of applications.
>>
>> Have a great weekend Lee - you know I will!! ;o)
>>
>> TFIF!!
>>
>Please Charles, you know that this person is a nasty troll - please do
>NOT
>encourage him!

There's no chance of cross-pollution as he has me "killfiled", and I
have taken the precaution of writing in English, a method of
communication with which you know both he and Brinks are not overly
familiar!! ;o)

Oh jeez...

I hate to encourage you since Will and Lee are both valuable

contributors,

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but I spit my coffee all over the monitor. Great shot!

I will concede that HUDSON made a shot, however inaccurate it may be.

But I couldn't help noticing that David contributed nothing, as usual.

Unless you count trolling as a contribution.

Don't be concerned, Lee - we know that English is only your second
language - your first is 'vitriol' with which of course you are quite
fluent.

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On Fri, 04 Feb 2005 15:50:38 GMT, "David" <[email hidden]>

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On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 09:57:59 -0500, "Lee Michaels"
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>"Hobbes" <[email hidden]> wrote
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>> Also, the pictured knee supports are sleeves, not powerlifters

wraps.

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>> Probably more in line with what you suggest - neoprene type of

material

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>> which mostly keeps the knees warm. I'm not sure I'd pay $50 for

those,

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>> tho, when I can keep the entire leg warm with sweats.
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>Different kind of warm Keith. The neoprene does a superb job. Far

more

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>penetrates the areas than can be acheived with sweats.
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>Back in the day I actually made some of these. You could (at that

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>buy the neoprene in sheets and a can of glue. You cut out the desired

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>and just glued it up. I don't know what is available now.

Old surfing wet suit cut downs are suitable for this job, which I have
used for knees and elbows, particularly for playing rugby on hard
surfaces.

Also the same principle for a lumbar body style wrap you mention
below, which in survival conditions I found invaluable for warmth, and
not as cumbersome as other types of layered clothing.

Even if they get wet, they warm the moisture and retain the heat.

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>Anyway, I made these for folks sho were rehabbing vatious joints.

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>offer ZERO support. Just make the joint warm and toasty. Which often

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>make it feel better, warm up faster and a little looser.
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>One popular item that folks who were working their lower backs that I

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>as well was a big wrap of neoprene with a velcro fastener on it.

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>support. But the warmth did make everything feel better and made the

rehab

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>folks feel a little more confident.

Good advice for all sorts of applications.

Have a great weekend Lee - you know I will!! ;o)

TFIF!!

Please Charles, you know that this person is a nasty troll - please do

NOT

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encourage him!

There's no chance of cross-pollution as he has me "killfiled", and I
have taken the precaution of writing in English, a method of
communication with which you know both he and Brinks are not overly
familiar!! ;o)

HAGW!!

TFIF

John please go easy on the handicapped - you are being a bully and you know
he is not capable of fighting back. (My dad used to say that everyone has
his purpose in life. In their case they could be used as the 'stupid
example'😉

On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 22:10:30 -0500, Vladimir Vladimirovich
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What do you think of his $40 knee wraps?

http://www.tommykono.com/pages/1/index.htm

I don't need wraps, but many thanks for the link... there's a phone number
listed! I'm dying to get his book on Olympic Weightlifting, but live
outside the US where it's not so easy to find. Now just maybe they can take
credit card orders or I can do a money transfer or something. Yay! :-)

/hg

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