Re: Picky Dinner Guests

Dee.Dee said:

It would be interesting to view a survey of rfc'ers of their religious
beliefs.

Religion and barbecue.

S.

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Dan Abel said:

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Serene said:

Abe wrote:
>> jmcquown wrote:
>>> She's one of those people, if she doesn't know what it is it
>>> must be terrible. If anyone mentioned sourdough she'd freak.
>>> WHATEVER.
>> I'd advise to steer clear of mental cases like her.
> There's clearly something screwy in her upbringing that has affected
> this way. I don't think she sees that she has a choice in the matter.
> It's called a mental illness.
Why would you blame a person's mental illness on her parents?

Personal experience. Children learn from their parents. When one is
insane, and the other avoids the family, then the child learns from that
parent. When the primary role model is insane, the child has no choice
but to learn that.

Personal experience. It hasn't been pretty.

Your experience is sad, but to say that there's "clearly" something in
someone's upbringing that causes mental illness is such a grave insult to
the millions of good parents who have children with mental illnesses.
(And it's not true that if one has insane parents, one has no choice but
to be insane, as well. I know many (too many!) people with genuinely
insane parents who ended up rising above that and being happy and healthy.

Serene

No, No -- you don't get it!! The parents are insane; therefore the children
are insane; and the parents always will be; the children always will be;
there will never be a chance for that child.

Dee Dee

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Why would you blame a person's mental illness on her parents?

To cast blame upon someone not present in the room (i.e.
either the therapist or the patient).

I have a person farily close to me who blames one of their parents
for all manner of emotional problems that they face. I suspect
this blame-game is encouraged by therapist(s). I also expect
it may interfere mightily in their ability to deal with their
problems.

But then, I could be wrong; there's no way of knowing for sure.

Steve

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(Steve Pope) said:

Dee.Dee said:

It would be interesting to view a survey of rfc'ers of their religious
beliefs.

Religion and barbecue.

What's the difference?

:-)

In article <[email hidden]>,

Serene said:

Dan Abel said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Serene said:

Abe wrote:
>> jmcquown wrote:
>>> She's one of those people, if she doesn't know what it is it
>>> must be terrible. If anyone mentioned sourdough she'd freak.
>>> WHATEVER.
>> I'd advise to steer clear of mental cases like her.
> There's clearly something screwy in her upbringing that has affected
> this way. I don't think she sees that she has a choice in the matter.
> It's called a mental illness.
Why would you blame a person's mental illness on her parents?

Personal experience.

Children learn from their parents. When one is insane, and the other
avoids the family, then the child learns from that parent. When the
primary role model is insane, the child has no choice but to learn that.

Personal experience. It hasn't been pretty.

Your experience is sad, but to say that there's "clearly" something
in someone's upbringing that causes mental illness is such a grave
insult to the millions of good parents who have children with mental
illnesses. (And it's not true that if one has insane parents, one
has no choice but to be insane, as well. I know many (too many!)
people with genuinely insane parents who ended up rising above that
and being happy and healthy.

I was overreacting. It's true that people can overcome this. Some
don't. It depends on different factors. I've just had too much
personal experience with parents who have children with problems. I am
fortunate that my own parents were pretty sane.

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Dan Abel said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Serene said:

Abe wrote:
>> jmcquown wrote:
>>> She's one of those people, if she doesn't know what it is it
>>> must be terrible. If anyone mentioned sourdough she'd freak.
>>> WHATEVER.
>> I'd advise to steer clear of mental cases like her.
> There's clearly something screwy in her upbringing that has affected
> this way. I don't think she sees that she has a choice in the matter.
> It's called a mental illness.

Why would you blame a person's mental illness on her parents?

Personal experience.

Children learn from their parents. When one is insane, and the other
avoids the family, then the child learns from that parent. When the
primary role model is insane, the child has no choice but to learn that.

Personal experience. It hasn't been pretty.

I learned a few years ago from a psychologist that a person can be
driven insane. It's especially true for children because they don't
have many (sane) life experiences to fall back on for a reality check.

Thanks for posting that. That is exactly what I was trying to
communicate. I have a relative who has no connection with reality. His
mother didn't, and so he never learned how to.

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Wayne Boatwright said:

Oh pshaw, on Fri 23 Nov 2007 06:18:15p, meant to say...

Quoted message said:

Dan Abel said:

In article <[email hidden]>,
Serene <[email hidden]> wrote:

> Abe wrote:
> >> jmcquown wrote:
> >>> She's one of those people, if she doesn't know what it is it
> >>> must be terrible. If anyone mentioned sourdough she'd freak.
> >>> WHATEVER.
> >> I'd advise to steer clear of mental cases like her.
> > There's clearly something screwy in her upbringing that has affected
> > this way. I don't think she sees that she has a choice in the matter.
> > It's called a mental illness.
>
> Why would you blame a person's mental illness on her parents?

Personal experience.

Children learn from their parents. When one is insane, and the other
avoids the family, then the child learns from that parent. When the
primary role model is insane, the child has no choice but to learn that.

Personal experience. It hasn't been pretty.

I learned a few years ago from a psychologist that a person can be
driven insane. It's especially true for children because they don't
have many (sane) life experiences to fall back on for a reality check.

If I'm going to be driven there, make it at least in a mercedes.

You've got it. Of course, if you are going to be insane, it will be a
virtual MercedesBenz.

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On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 16:57:47 GMT, blake murphy <[email hidden]>

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or maybe it's some kind of residual puritan idea that folks are being
punished by god, who seems to go in for that sort of thing.

We don't have to blame the Puritans. We have plenty of modern day
bible thumpers who think that way.

It would be interesting to view a survey of rfc'ers of their religious
beliefs.
Dee Dee

I'm agnostic at best.

Michael

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On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 03:33:11 +0000 (UTC), [email hidden]

(Steve Pope) said:

Dee.Dee said:

It would be interesting to view a survey of rfc'ers of their religious
beliefs.

Religion and barbecue.

somehow the two seem to be intertwined.... even before christianity

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Dan Abel said:

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Wayne Boatwright said:

Oh pshaw, on Fri 23 Nov 2007 06:18:15p, meant to say...

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On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 16:38:36 -0800, Dan Abel <[email hidden]> wrote:

> Serene <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>> Why would you blame a person's mental illness on her parents?
>
>Children learn from their parents. When one is insane, and the other
>avoids the family, then the child learns from that parent. When the
>primary role model is insane, the child has no choice but to learn that.
>
>Personal experience. It hasn't been pretty.

I learned a few years ago from a psychologist that a person can be
driven insane. It's especially true for children because they don't
have many (sane) life experiences to fall back on for a reality check.

If I'm going to be driven there, make it at least in a mercedes.

You've got it. Of course, if you are going to be insane, it will be a
virtual MercedesBenz.

Channeling Janis Joplin.....

"Oh Lord, won't you buy me a Mercedes Benz ?
My friends all drive Porsches, I must make amends.
Worked hard all my lifetime, no help from my friends,
So Lord, won’t you buy me a Mercedes Benz ?"

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Dan Abel said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Wayne Boatwright said:

Oh pshaw, on Fri 23 Nov 2007 06:18:15p, meant to say...

> On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 16:38:36 -0800, Dan Abel <[email hidden]>
> wrote:
>
>> Serene <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>
>>> Why would you blame a person's mental illness on her parents?
>>
>>Children learn from their parents. When one is insane, and the
>>other avoids the family, then the child learns from that parent.
>>When the primary role model is insane, the child has no choice but
>>to learn that.
>>
>>Personal experience. It hasn't been pretty.
>
> I learned a few years ago from a psychologist that a person can be
> driven insane. It's especially true for children because they
> don't have many (sane) life experiences to fall back on for a
> reality check.

If I'm going to be driven there, make it at least in a mercedes.

You've got it. Of course, if you are going to be insane, it will be a
virtual MercedesBenz.

Channeling Janis Joplin.....

"Oh Lord, won't you buy me a Mercedes Benz ?
My friends all drive Porsches, I must make amends.
Worked hard all my lifetime, no help from my friends,
So Lord, won’t you buy me a Mercedes Benz ?"

Hon, are you intoxicated? LOL... Just kidding. A Mercedes? Not in this
lifetime. Gimme a Jeep anytime.

Michael

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Oh pshaw, on Sun 25 Nov 2007 12:35:43a, Dan Abel meant to say...

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In article <[email hidden]>,

Wayne Boatwright said:

Oh pshaw, on Fri 23 Nov 2007 06:18:15p, meant to say...

Quoted message said:

On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 16:38:36 -0800, Dan Abel <[email hidden]> wrote:

>In article <[email hidden]>,
> Serene <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>> Abe wrote:
>> >> jmcquown wrote:
>> >>> She's one of those people, if she doesn't know what it is it
>> >>> must be terrible. If anyone mentioned sourdough she'd freak.
>> >>> WHATEVER.
>> >> I'd advise to steer clear of mental cases like her.
>> > There's clearly something screwy in her upbringing that has
>> > affected this way. I don't think she sees that she has a choice
>> > in the matter. It's called a mental illness.
>>
>> Why would you blame a person's mental illness on her parents?
>
>
>Personal experience.
>
>Children learn from their parents. When one is insane, and the other
>avoids the family, then the child learns from that parent. When the
>primary role model is insane, the child has no choice but to learn
>that.
>
>Personal experience. It hasn't been pretty.

I learned a few years ago from a psychologist that a person can be
driven insane. It's especially true for children because they don't
have many (sane) life experiences to fall back on for a reality
check.

If I'm going to be driven there, make it at least in a mercedes.

You've got it. Of course, if you are going to be insane, it will be a
virtual MercedesBenz.

Presumably to a virtual institution...

--
Wayne Boatwright

Date: Sunday, November(XI) 25th(XXV),2007(MMVII)

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Oh pshaw, on Sun 25 Nov 2007 03:45:04a, meant to say...

Quoted message said:

Dan Abel said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Wayne Boatwright said:

Oh pshaw, on Fri 23 Nov 2007 06:18:15p, meant to say...

> On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 16:38:36 -0800, Dan Abel <[email hidden]>
> wrote:
>
>> Serene <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>
>>> Why would you blame a person's mental illness on her parents?
>>
>>Children learn from their parents. When one is insane, and the
>>other avoids the family, then the child learns from that parent.
>>When the primary role model is insane, the child has no choice but
>>to learn that.
>>
>>Personal experience. It hasn't been pretty.
>
> I learned a few years ago from a psychologist that a person can be
> driven insane. It's especially true for children because they don't
> have many (sane) life experiences to fall back on for a reality
> check.

If I'm going to be driven there, make it at least in a mercedes.

You've got it. Of course, if you are going to be insane, it will be a
virtual MercedesBenz.

Channeling Janis Joplin.....

"Oh Lord, won't you buy me a Mercedes Benz ?
My friends all drive Porsches, I must make amends.
Worked hard all my lifetime, no help from my friends,
So Lord, won’t you buy me a Mercedes Benz ?"

:-)

--
Wayne Boatwright

Date: Sunday, November(XI) 25th(XXV),2007(MMVII)

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4wks 16hrs 30mins
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Oh, no, not another learning experience!
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On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 03:33:11 +0000 (UTC), [email hidden]

(Steve Pope) said:

Dee.Dee said:

It would be interesting to view a survey of rfc'ers of their religious
beliefs.

Religion and barbecue.

somehow the two seem to be intertwined.... even before christianity

Clever person, you!
Dee Dee

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On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 16:57:47 GMT, blake murphy <[email hidden]>
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>or maybe it's some kind of residual puritan idea that folks are being
>punished by god, who seems to go in for that sort of thing.

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We don't have to blame the Puritans. We have plenty of modern day
bible thumpers who think that way.

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It would be interesting to view a survey of rfc'ers of their religious
beliefs.
Dee Dee

I'm agnostic at best.

I'm atheist, but I recognize that it is fellow atheists who have been
the worst villains in history, at least in total numbers. When you
add up Stalin and Pol Pot...
Marx described the church in Germany at the time as "opium." In
modern America, I would say that it is sports that is the opium (GO
TIGERS!), giving people something to feel like winners about when they
are obviously losing in the cold war of class relations. The
Christians in this country have been at the forefront of most of the
positive, progressive movements. That said, the Religious Right are
my sworn enemies.
Anyway, America has one TRUE RELIGION, as described in The Bonobos'
lyrics:

Yeah, Right

I got some buddies who tell me they're Christian
Yeah, right.
And I've got some friends, you know they tell me they're Pagan
Yeah, right.
This guy that I work with, he says he's a Muslim
Yeah, right
But we all bow down for the worship of Mammon
Allright!
We all bow down 'cause we're worshippin' Mammon
Allright!
We all bow down 'cause we're worshippin' Mammon
Allright!
And we'll all bow down 'cause we're worshippin' Mammon tonight
Let's go!

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Michael

--Bryan

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Dan Abel said:

In article <[email hidden]>,
Wayne Boatwright <[email hidden]> wrote:

> Oh pshaw, on Fri 23 Nov 2007 06:18:15p, meant to say...
>
> > On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 16:38:36 -0800, Dan Abel <[email hidden]>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Serene <[email hidden]> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Why would you blame a person's mental illness on her parents?
> >>
> >>Children learn from their parents. When one is insane, and the
> >>other avoids the family, then the child learns from that parent.
> >>When the primary role model is insane, the child has no choice

but

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> >>to learn that.
> >>
> >>Personal experience. It hasn't been pretty.
> >
> > I learned a few years ago from a psychologist that a person can

be

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> > driven insane. It's especially true for children because they
> > don't have many (sane) life experiences to fall back on for a
> > reality check.
>
> If I'm going to be driven there, make it at least in a mercedes.

You've got it. Of course, if you are going to be insane, it will be

a

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virtual MercedesBenz.

Channeling Janis Joplin.....

"Oh Lord, won't you buy me a Mercedes Benz ?
My friends all drive Porsches, I must make amends.
Worked hard all my lifetime, no help from my friends,
So Lord, won’t you buy me a Mercedes Benz ?"

Hon, are you intoxicated? LOL... Just kidding. A Mercedes? Not in

this

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lifetime. Gimme a Jeep anytime.

I want a Saab. 🙂

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Dan Abel said:

In article <[email hidden]>,
Wayne Boatwright <[email hidden]> wrote:

> Oh pshaw, on Fri 23 Nov 2007 06:18:15p, meant to say...
>
> > On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 16:38:36 -0800, Dan Abel <[email hidden]>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Serene <[email hidden]> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Why would you blame a person's mental illness on her parents?
> >>
> >>Children learn from their parents. When one is insane, and the
> >>other avoids the family, then the child learns from that parent.
> >>When the primary role model is insane, the child has no choice but
> >>to learn that.
> >>
> >>Personal experience. It hasn't been pretty.
> >
> > I learned a few years ago from a psychologist that a person can be
> > driven insane. It's especially true for children because they
> > don't have many (sane) life experiences to fall back on for a
> > reality check.
>
> If I'm going to be driven there, make it at least in a mercedes.

You've got it. Of course, if you are going to be insane, it will be a
virtual MercedesBenz.

Channeling Janis Joplin.....

"Oh Lord, won't you buy me a Mercedes Benz ?
My friends all drive Porsches, I must make amends.
Worked hard all my lifetime, no help from my friends,
So Lord, won't you buy me a Mercedes Benz ?"

Hon, are you intoxicated? LOL... Just kidding. A Mercedes? Not in this
lifetime. Gimme a Jeep anytime.

I sense you are under a certain age. 🙂 It wasn't about the Mercedes. I
think
you had to be there. On the bad side, if you were there, you damn near
OLD! 🙂

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Hon, are you intoxicated? LOL... Just kidding. A Mercedes? Not in

this

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lifetime. Gimme a Jeep anytime.

I want a Saab. 🙂

I've already had my dream -- Alpha (top down - Hawaii).
Sigh- nothing to aspire to.
Dee Dee

Oh pshaw, on Sun 25 Nov 2007 09:27:05a, Dee.Dee meant to say...

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Hon, are you intoxicated? LOL... Just kidding. A Mercedes? Not in
this lifetime. Gimme a Jeep anytime.

I want a Saab. 🙂

I've already had my dream -- Alpha (top down - Hawaii).
Sigh- nothing to aspire to.
Dee Dee

How very sad, Dee Dee. :-(

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Date: Sun, 11/25/2007

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On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 03:33:11 +0000 (UTC), [email hidden]
(Steve Pope) wrote:

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Dee.Dee <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>It would be interesting to view a survey of rfc'ers of their religious
>beliefs.

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Religion and barbecue.

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somehow the two seem to be intertwined.... even before christianity

Clever person, you!

Barbecue has "a pleasing aroma."

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Dee Dee

--Bryan