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  1. Hey all,

    On my new street uni my pedals come loose every 5 min, its really
    pissing me off. Any ideas on how to keep it snug? Remember the koxx
    cranks require a washer inbetween the pedal and crank.

    Ok, from my knowlage the pedals are threded so if you are riding
    forwards, they will tighten themselfs, But i stared at my pedals/cranks
    and spun the pedal, and i am 99% sure that pedaling forwards will
    unscrew them, but yet the R is on the right side and the L is on teh
    left side.

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  2. try some other pedals.

    if they fall off, its the cranks. if they stay on, its the pedals.

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  3. I dont have any and dont have enough money for new ones.

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  4. I just coated the thred in loctite

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  5. does it work

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  6. i dont know yet

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  7. The pedals would unscrew when pedaling forwards if not for a phenomenon
    called "precession". Here's what Sheldon Brown has to say about it in
    his 'glossary pages under 'p' for pedal'
    (http://www.sheldonbrown.com/gloss_p.html)

    Quoted message said:


    The right pedal has a normal thread, but the left pedal has a left
    (reverse) thread.

    The reason for this is not obvious: The force from bearing friction
    would, in fact, tend to unscrew pedals threaded in this manner. The
    fact is, however, that it is not the bearing friction that makes
    pedals unscrew themselves, but a phenomenon called "precession".

    You can demonstrate this to yourself by performing a simple
    experiment. Hold a pencil loosely in one fist, and move the end of it
    in a circle. You will see that the pencil, as it rubs against the
    inside of your fist, rotates in the opposite direction.

    Ignorant people outside the bike industry sometimes make the
    astonishing discovery that the way it has been done for 100 years is
    "wrong." "Look at these fools, they go to the trouble of using a left
    thread on one pedal, then the bozos go and put the left thread on the
    wrong side! Shows that bicycle designers have no idea what they are
    doing..."

    Another popular theory of armchair engineers is that the threads are
    done this way so that, if the pedal bearing locks up, the pedal will
    unscrew itself instead of breaking the rider's ankle.

    The left threaded left pedal was not the result of armchair
    theorizing, it was a solution to a real problem: people's left pedals
    kept unscrewing! I have read that this was invented by the Wright
    brothers, but I am not sure of this.

    Note! The precession effect doesn't substitute for screwing your
    pedals in good and tight. It is very important to do so. The threads
    (like virtually all threads on a bicycle) should be lubricated with
    grease, or at least with oil.

    And another page at Sheldon Brown's site about 'left-handed threads'
    (http://www.sheldonbrown.com/brandt/left.html)

    A search of the forum for "precession" will find other threads about
    it.

    Make sure that you don't have pedals with 1/2" threads. There are two
    primary pedal sizes. 1/2" for kids bikes and bikes with one piece
    cranks and the more common 9/16" size that most unicycles now use.

    1/2" is just slightly smaller than 9/16". A 1/2" pedal in a 9/16" crank
    hole will undo itself very quicly.

    It is also possible that your pedals are just slightly out of spec and
    the threads are just a little bit too small. It has happened before.
    If that is the case you may be able to return them to the place you
    bought them for a replacement.

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  8. The pedals would unscrew when pedaling forwards if not for a phenomenon
    called "precession". Here's what Sheldon Brown has to say about it in
    his 'glossary pages under 'p' for pedal'
    (http://www.sheldonbrown.com/gloss_p.html)

    Quoted message said:


    The right pedal has a normal thread, but the left pedal has a left
    (reverse) thread.

    The reason for this is not obvious: The force from bearing friction
    would, in fact, tend to unscrew pedals threaded in this manner. The
    fact is, however, that it is not the bearing friction that makes
    pedals unscrew themselves, but a phenomenon called "precession".

    You can demonstrate this to yourself by performing a simple
    experiment. Hold a pencil loosely in one fist, and move the end of it
    in a circle. You will see that the pencil, as it rubs against the
    inside of your fist, rotates in the opposite direction.

    Ignorant people outside the bike industry sometimes make the
    astonishing discovery that the way it has been done for 100 years is
    "wrong." "Look at these fools, they go to the trouble of using a left
    thread on one pedal, then the bozos go and put the left thread on the
    wrong side! Shows that bicycle designers have no idea what they are
    doing..."

    Another popular theory of armchair engineers is that the threads are
    done this way so that, if the pedal bearing locks up, the pedal will
    unscrew itself instead of breaking the rider's ankle.

    The left threaded left pedal was not the result of armchair
    theorizing, it was a solution to a real problem: people's left pedals
    kept unscrewing! I have read that this was invented by the Wright
    brothers, but I am not sure of this.

    Note! The precession effect doesn't substitute for screwing your
    pedals in good and tight. It is very important to do so. The threads
    (like virtually all threads on a bicycle) should be lubricated with
    grease, or at least with oil.

    And another page at Sheldon Brown's site about 'left-handed threads'
    (http://www.sheldonbrown.com/brandt/left.html)

    A search of the forum for "precession" will find other threads about
    it.

    Make sure that you don't have pedals with 1/2" threads. There are two
    primary pedal sizes. 1/2" for kids bikes and bikes with one piece
    cranks and the more common 9/16" size that most unicycles now use.

    1/2" is just slightly smaller than 9/16". A 1/2" pedal in a 9/16" crank
    hole will undo itself very quicly.

    It is also possible that your pedals are just slightly out of spec and
    the threads are just a little bit too small. It has happened before.
    If that is the case you may be able to return them to the place you
    bought them for a replacement.

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  9. are you sure that you're facing the right direction?
    try turning the seat around.

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  10. Evan Byrne said:

    *pedaling forwards will unscrew them, but yet the R is on the right
    side and the L is on teh left side. *

    oh, nevermind.

    unless they just the stickers. maybe they're on wrong for some reason.
    unscrew the pedal, and look on the end of the screw part, it should say
    L or R on the metal there.

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  11. Is jonh saying a normal pedal will unscrew forwards?

    is it bad if i flip the seat around? if they tightenthe way i pedal?

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  12. Evan Byrne said:

    *Is jonh saying a normal pedal will unscrew forwards?

    is it bad if i flip the seat around? if they tightenthe way i pedal? *

    The threading is correct to keep the cranks from unscrewing as you ride
    forwards. It isn't obvious at first that it is correctl If you locked
    up the bearings in the pedal the pedals will unscrew as you pedal
    forwards. At first blush it seems that can't be right. But it is,
    because of precession.

    Make sure that the right crank and the right pedal are on the right side
    of the uni. Make sure that the left crank and left pedal are on the
    left side of the uni. The pedal threads will be correct to keep the
    pedals from loosening on their own.

    If the pedals really are too loose in the cranks then you need to get
    proper pedals before you ruin the pedal threads in the cranks. The
    easiest way to check is to get a pair of known good pedals and put them
    on the uni that is having problems. If the known good pedals stay tight
    then the other pedals are bad. If the known good pedals also get loose
    then the cranks are bad.

    Is this on your uni with the Koxx hub?

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  13. Evan Byrne said:

    *Is jonh saying a normal pedal will unscrew forwards?

    is it bad if i flip the seat around? if they tightenthe way i pedal? *

    The threading is correct to keep the cranks from unscrewing as you ride
    forwards. It isn't obvious at first that it is correctl If you locked
    up the bearings in the pedal the pedals will unscrew as you pedal
    forwards. At first blush it seems that can't be right. But it is,
    because of precession.

    Make sure that the right crank and the right pedal are on the right side
    of the uni. Make sure that the left crank and left pedal are on the
    left side of the uni. The pedal threads will be correct to keep the
    pedals from loosening on their own.

    If the pedals really are too loose in the cranks then you need to get
    proper pedals before you ruin the pedal threads in the cranks. The
    easiest way to check is to get a pair of known good pedals and put them
    on the uni that is having problems. If the known good pedals stay tight
    then the other pedals are bad. If the known good pedals also get loose
    then the cranks are bad.

    Is this on your uni with the Koxx hub?

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  14. Yeah its got the Koxx crnaks.

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  15. Don't ride with loose pedals and aluminum cranks. You'll damage the
    threads in the cranks very easily and ruin the cranks. It is very easy
    to strip or damage aluminum threads.

    Get proper fitting pedals for it or else you'll be needing to replace
    both the pedals and the cranks and that will be more expensive.

    You also might want to have a bike shop check that the crank threads are
    indeed good and that none of the threads have been stripped or
    cross-threaded or otherwise damaged.

    It's very easy to mess up aluminum threads. And you already know about
    the washer thing that's needed with the Koxx cranks.

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  16. Actuly its steal threds, the threds are in a cromo sleve crimped into
    the aluminum.

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  17. Evan Byrne said:

    *Actuly its steal threds, the threds are in a cromo sleve crimped into
    the aluminum. *

    Oh yeah, I forgot about that. Not so much panic now. But you can still
    damage steel threads, it's just not as easy to do as aluminum threads.

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  18. hmm? you just posted that you didnt have any other pedals..

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  19. yeah, Haha, I forgot aobut the ones on my trials.

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  20. Glue.

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