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  1. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Jan's hatred for Jews
    From: Orac [email hidden]
    Date: 2/21/2004 3:56 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    In article said:

    On Sat, 21 Feb 2004 18:41:11 GMT, Orac <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    So, the question remains, is there a significant strain of anti-Semitism
    in the pro-alts who post here, or are they simply so completely suffused
    with an "us against them" mentality that they cannot bring themselves to
    speak ill of a fellow altie, no matter how reprehensible that altie's
    statements are? I tend to think this is the alternative explanation.

    PATHETIC!!! Those who have had success with alternative medicine have been
    called everything. The current buzz expression is *anti-semtic*

    Coming from a mentally ill man who has had a pattern of abuse toward anyone who
    has used alternative medicine. That pattern is so sick, he nuked his posts,
    hoping poeple could not see it. However, they are in others' posts which he
    can't control and shows an exact pattern. He is so sick, he used ill and even
    dead parents to belittle. Now he has the gall to speak of reprehensive
    statements.

    Furthermore he hasn't said a word about Andrew Kingoff's despicable posts.

    Transference of his exact weakness couldn't be any clearer.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    Let us hear from those who remain silent. I would like to believe your
    alternative explanation but I wonder. And with each passing day
    without explanation it becomes more worrisome. Antisemitism is on the
    rise in the world today. Much of it is being fueled by the Israeli
    Palestinian conflict and the Iraqi war. It is critical to speak out
    against antisemitism and ALL bigotry so that we do not again have a
    return of the genocides of the past.

    Rich fears for his life, there are soooo many anti-semites here on this news
    group, it is a dangerous place to be!!!!! Talk about desperation. Run for your
    life!!!!!!!!!!!

    Pathetic Paranoia!!!!!!

    The truth is:

    Rich has run evey single person off this newsgroup by using these tactics
    except me. It is eating him up that he has failed and can not run me off.

    Quoted message said:

    I hope I'm not being too charitable in believing that the my explanation


    is the reason why the alties here won't take their less enlightened
    comrades to task when they start making bigoted and anti-Semitic

    Quoted message said:

    comments.

    You are so very very transparent, When are YOU going to take Andrew Kingoff to
    task for all his despicable posts? As in John sodomizing a nativity scene and
    fathering a sheep??! Or Richard H Jaconson's pattern of abusing any and all
    people who have used alternative medicine with success, EVEN to the point of
    using ill and EVEN dead parent to belittlle?!?!

    WHEN are you going to do that Orac??????

    Perhaps it is because I like to look for the best in people
    until I see definitive evidence that I should not.

    WOW!!!!!!!!!! Do show us where you have looked for the best in alt. believing
    people.

    However, I agree that
    it is becoming increasingly difficult to maintain this positive view in
    the face of so much silence about the blatant anti-Semitism a few of the
    alties here voice and in the face of some rather rabid defenses of one
    of them.

    This blatant so called anti-semitism is a response of the *gang* who can NOT
    stand the truth.

    You are replying to Rich, and he is a pathetic liar. That has been shown aver
    and over. He even lies about his name.

    False claims run like water here, when asked to copy and paste, the come back
    is, *it was my impressiom* . The is NO copy and paste there is only opinion of
    how statements were read.

    To say the JewS rejected Christ, is NOT anti-semitism,,,IT IS THE TRUTH.

    To say Satan is the king of all liars, and leads those who practice lying is
    NOT anti-semitism,,,IT IS THE TRUTH.

    To say the Jew on this ng are liars, is NOT anti-semtisim, ,,,IT IS THE TRUTH
    AND HAS BEEN PROVEN WITH THEIR OWN WORDS.

    Example:

    Jan Drew says that it is not right for Jews to talk about the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Holocaust

    No, that is NOT what I said. I said it is brought up over and over.

    Quoted message said:

    You said that Jews should go to some other newsgroup you antisemitic


    disgusting bigot.

    *Jews should go to some other newsgroup*

    Is NOT saying it is not right for Jews to talk about the holocaust.

    Further more what I said was:

    I suggest all the Jews here go to a Jewish newsgroup and discuss away.

    Then she blames Jews

    Quoted message said:

    of today as a group, for the crimes of some Jews from thousands of
    years ago.

    That is also a lie. Rich made it up. He can not copy and paste the proof of


    his

    Quoted message said:

    claim.

    [censored] you liar. Here is EXACTLY what you said (cut and pasted):

    Quoted message said:

    es Jesus was a jew, his own people rejected him.
    They debunked all his words and works,
    and now debunking and lies are second
    nature to them. That is how Satan works.

    NOT ONE WORD OF BLAMING THE JEWS FOR ANY CRIMES OF THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGO.

    Quoted message said:


    Most of the debunkers are either atheists or Jews.

    True. Not one word of blame crimes for thousands of years aso.

    Quoted message said:

    It seems the Jews here have taken over this ng,
    with their vile false accusations and they are all filled
    with hate.

    True. Nor one word of blame for crimes of thousands of years ago.

    This is yet ANOTHER example of the LYING here, and Rich's desperation and
    losing his temper, because the man is sick and has a control problem.

    Ye good ole boy and girl club is still alive.

    It iis very transparent and pathetic.

    Jan

  2. Please forgive me for top-posting just this once.
    I just can't add anything to this. It's so over-the-top.
    Anything I tried to add would simply distract from
    the experience of immersing yourself in pure Janistic
    hatred. So, presented without further comment,
    in its complete, mind-numbing totality, is Jan
    in her own words:

    Jan said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Jan's hatred for Jews
    From: Orac [email hidden]
    Date: 2/21/2004 3:56 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    In article said:

    On Sat, 21 Feb 2004 18:41:11 GMT, Orac <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:

    >So, the question remains, is there a significant strain of anti-Semitism
    >in the pro-alts who post here, or are they simply so completely suffused
    >with an "us against them" mentality that they cannot bring themselves to
    >speak ill of a fellow altie, no matter how reprehensible that altie's
    >statements are? I tend to think this is the alternative explanation.

    PATHETIC!!! Those who have had success with alternative medicine have been
    called everything. The current buzz expression is *anti-semtic*

    Coming from a mentally ill man who has had a pattern of abuse toward anyone who
    has used alternative medicine. That pattern is so sick, he nuked his posts,
    hoping poeple could not see it. However, they are in others' posts which he
    can't control and shows an exact pattern. He is so sick, he used ill and even
    dead parents to belittle. Now he has the gall to speak of reprehensive
    statements.

    Furthermore he hasn't said a word about Andrew Kingoff's despicable posts.

    Transference of his exact weakness couldn't be any clearer.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    Let us hear from those who remain silent. I would like to believe your
    alternative explanation but I wonder. And with each passing day
    without explanation it becomes more worrisome. Antisemitism is on the
    rise in the world today. Much of it is being fueled by the Israeli
    Palestinian conflict and the Iraqi war. It is critical to speak out
    against antisemitism and ALL bigotry so that we do not again have a
    return of the genocides of the past.

    Rich fears for his life, there are soooo many anti-semites here on this news
    group, it is a dangerous place to be!!!!! Talk about desperation. Run for your
    life!!!!!!!!!!!

    Pathetic Paranoia!!!!!!

    The truth is:

    Rich has run evey single person off this newsgroup by using these tactics
    except me. It is eating him up that he has failed and can not run me off.

    Quoted message said:

    I hope I'm not being too charitable in believing that the my explanation


    is the reason why the alties here won't take their less enlightened
    comrades to task when they start making bigoted and anti-Semitic

    Quoted message said:

    comments.

    You are so very very transparent, When are YOU going to take Andrew Kingoff to
    task for all his despicable posts? As in John sodomizing a nativity scene and
    fathering a sheep??! Or Richard H Jaconson's pattern of abusing any and all
    people who have used alternative medicine with success, EVEN to the point of
    using ill and EVEN dead parent to belittlle?!?!

    WHEN are you going to do that Orac??????

    Perhaps it is because I like to look for the best in people
    until I see definitive evidence that I should not.

    WOW!!!!!!!!!! Do show us where you have looked for the best in alt. believing
    people.

    However, I agree that
    it is becoming increasingly difficult to maintain this positive view in
    the face of so much silence about the blatant anti-Semitism a few of the
    alties here voice and in the face of some rather rabid defenses of one
    of them.

    This blatant so called anti-semitism is a response of the *gang* who can NOT
    stand the truth.

    You are replying to Rich, and he is a pathetic liar. That has been shown aver
    and over. He even lies about his name.

    False claims run like water here, when asked to copy and paste, the come back
    is, *it was my impressiom* . The is NO copy and paste there is only opinion of
    how statements were read.

    To say the JewS rejected Christ, is NOT anti-semitism,,,IT IS THE TRUTH.

    To say Satan is the king of all liars, and leads those who practice lying is
    NOT anti-semitism,,,IT IS THE TRUTH.

    To say the Jew on this ng are liars, is NOT anti-semtisim, ,,,IT IS THE TRUTH
    AND HAS BEEN PROVEN WITH THEIR OWN WORDS.

    Example:

    Jan Drew says that it is not right for Jews to talk about the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Holocaust

    No, that is NOT what I said. I said it is brought up over and over.

    Quoted message said:

    You said that Jews should go to some other newsgroup you antisemitic


    disgusting bigot.

    *Jews should go to some other newsgroup*

    Is NOT saying it is not right for Jews to talk about the holocaust.

    Further more what I said was:

    I suggest all the Jews here go to a Jewish newsgroup and discuss away.

    Then she blames Jews

    Quoted message said:

    of today as a group, for the crimes of some Jews from thousands of
    years ago.

    That is also a lie. Rich made it up. He can not copy and paste the proof of


    his

    Quoted message said:

    claim.

    [censored] you liar. Here is EXACTLY what you said (cut and pasted):

    Quoted message said:

    es Jesus was a jew, his own people rejected him.
    They debunked all his words and works,
    and now debunking and lies are second
    nature to them. That is how Satan works.

    NOT ONE WORD OF BLAMING THE JEWS FOR ANY CRIMES OF THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGO.

    Quoted message said:


    Most of the debunkers are either atheists or Jews.

    True. Not one word of blame crimes for thousands of years aso.

    Quoted message said:

    It seems the Jews here have taken over this ng,
    with their vile false accusations and they are all filled
    with hate.

    True. Nor one word of blame for crimes of thousands of years ago.

    This is yet ANOTHER example of the LYING here, and Rich's desperation and
    losing his temper, because the man is sick and has a control problem.

    Ye good ole boy and girl club is still alive.

    It iis very transparent and pathetic.

    Jan

  3. (Jan) said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Jan's hatred for Jews

    ------- begin collection of Jan's comments on Jews -------

    Their are Jews here and there are atheists,
    (they are the ones who have told the group) with the
    exception of IIena, they have proven themselves
    to be liars, deceitful and insulters.

    Furthmore, I called Andrew Kingoff a Jew Boy when
    he posted the stupid blasphemy of the 10 commandments
    here on the ng.

    That's because most every atheist and jew here
    has INDEED lied. They know it,
    yet they cover for each other.

    The group here are mostly atheists and jews,
    (who falsely believe they are enlightened) and need
    to have an argument going, thinking they can boast their
    ego. They tell lies, twist what is said, and IMHO
    are lead by Satan.

    The truth is that most debunkers on MHA
    who LIE through their tetth, do nothing
    but belittle, and are filled with hate, are atheists or jews.

    I repeat:
    The debubnker's here are atheist or jews.

    No, they aren't right, they are greatly deceived
    as Eve was when Satan debunked
    God's word.
    That was the start of debunking.
    Then the jews Jesus's very own people tried
    to debunk his words, and even
    debunked his miracles whch happened right
    before their eyes.

    Yes Jesus was a jew, his own people rejected him.
    They debunked all his words and works,
    and now debunking and lies are second
    nature to them. That is how Satan works.

    Most of the debunkers are either atheists or Jews.

    It seems the Jews here have taken over this ng,
    with their vile false accusations and they are all filled
    with hate.

    It seems to me the Jews here are trying to get even
    for the holocaust. When noone here was in any way
    involved.

    <end of Jan's pathetic quotes>

    Sorry to be repetitive and belabor the obvious but you cannot accuse
    me of not sticking to the subject of this thread:-))

    Aloha,

    Rich

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    -------------------------------------------------

    The best defense to logic is ignorance

  4. In article <[email hidden]>,

    (Jan) said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Jan's hatred for Jews
    From: Orac [email hidden]
    Date: 2/21/2004 3:56 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    In article said:

    On Sat, 21 Feb 2004 18:41:11 GMT, Orac <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:

    >So, the question remains, is there a significant strain of anti-Semitism
    >in the pro-alts who post here, or are they simply so completely suffused
    >with an "us against them" mentality that they cannot bring themselves to
    >speak ill of a fellow altie, no matter how reprehensible that altie's
    >statements are? I tend to think this is the alternative explanation.

    PATHETIC!!!

    It is indeed pathetic the way alties seem to tolerate your
    anti-Semitism, whatever the reason it is they do it.

    Quoted message said:

    Those who have had success with alternative medicine have been
    called everything. The current buzz expression is *anti-semtic*

    Nope. Only you and DEBBEE are being called anti-Semitic, and the only
    reason for that is that you make anti-Semitic statements. The alties who
    tolerate your anti-Semitism and remain silent are being criticized for
    tolerating your bigotry.

    [Remainder of Jan spew deleted]

    --
    Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
    |
    |"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
    | inconvenience me with questions?"

  5. In article <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] (Jan) wrote:

    [Snip]

    Quoted message said:

    To say the JewS rejected Christ, is NOT anti-semitism,,,IT IS THE TRUTH.

    To say Satan is the king of all liars, and leads those who practice lying is
    NOT anti-semitism,,,IT IS THE TRUTH.

    To say the Jew on this ng are liars, is NOT anti-semtisim, ,,,IT IS THE TRUTH
    AND HAS BEEN PROVEN WITH THEIR OWN WORDS.

    I let these statements speak for themselves. I think they bolster my
    accusation of anti-Semitism quite nicely.

    Oh, Jan, I would also point out that you forgot again to exempt Ilena
    from your charge that the Jews on this newsgroup are all liars. You're
    slipping...

    --
    Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
    |
    |"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
    | inconvenience me with questions?"

  6. On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 01:54:57 GMT, Mark Thorson <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Please forgive me for top-posting just this once.
    I just can't add anything to this. It's so over-the-top.
    Anything I tried to add would simply distract from
    the experience of immersing yourself in pure Janistic
    hatred. So, presented without further comment,
    in its complete, mind-numbing totality, is Jan
    in her own words:

    At least she appropriately titled the subject of this thread. You need
    to give her credit for that.

    <snip Jan's angry diatribe>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Rich's desperation and
    losing his temper, because the man is sick and has a control problem.

    The mother of all self referential posts (and no I am not suggesting
    that Jan is a man). It is fascinating how totally in denial Jan is of
    her own rage.

    Let us all hope that the rage inside her does not get physically
    externalized resulting in our reading about Jan in our local
    newspaper.

    Jan obviously has come to the realization that her antisemitic
    statements and hatred for Jews are there for all to see. She cannot
    deny them. So all she has left is to do her usual attacking others by
    lying and bearing false witness. Sad that.

    When Judgement Day comes Jan may be surprised at what Jesus has to say
    about her Jew Boy comment. It won't be pretty.

    Aloha,

    Rich

    -------------------------------------------------
    -------------------------------------------------

    The best defense to logic is ignorance

  7. Orac said:

    Nope. Only you and DEBBEE are being called anti-Semitic

    Don't forget Rod and Carole from down under.

    Aloha,

    Rich
    -------------------------------------------------
    -------------------------------------------------

    The best defense to logic is ignorance

  8. Orac said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] (Jan) wrote:

    [Snip]

    Quoted message said:

    To say the JewS rejected Christ, is NOT anti-semitism,,,IT IS THE TRUTH.

    To say Satan is the king of all liars, and leads those who practice lying is
    NOT anti-semitism,,,IT IS THE TRUTH.

    To say the Jew on this ng are liars, is NOT anti-semtisim, ,,,IT IS THE TRUTH
    AND HAS BEEN PROVEN WITH THEIR OWN WORDS.

    I let these statements speak for themselves. I think they bolster my
    accusation of anti-Semitism quite nicely.

    Oh, Jan, I would also point out that you forgot again to exempt Ilena
    from your charge that the Jews on this newsgroup are all liars. You're
    slipping...

    Cue Jan to point out that she did not say ALL JEWS. In fact she used
    Jew (singular) which probably was a typo but Jan will milk it for all
    she can.

    I guess if Ilena has not accept Jesus as her lord and savior then
    Ilena has also rejected Jesus and Ilena has also been led by Satan to
    reject him and is not much different from all those dirty filthy lying
    Jews who betrayed Jesus two thousand years ago. After all lying and
    debunking started then and lying and debunking comes second nature to
    Jews today. But you are not an antisemite. You really love Jews. You
    just have a strange way of showing it:-)))

    Aloha,

    Rich

    -------------------------------------------------
    -------------------------------------------------

    The best defense to logic is ignorance

  9. Quoted message said:

    From: Mark Thorson

    Poor, poor Mark.

    So filled with hate because he lied and had to make a retraction, and I said he
    lied.

    Why he wants too come over here is because he is desperate.

    He claimed the original would show he didn''t lie, and that I did. I asked him
    to post it.

    He got caught in his own trap. He can't post it, He was lying the whole time.

    Pathetic is the truth.

    Quoted message said:
    Jan said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Jan's hatred for Jews
    From: Orac [email hidden]
    Date: 2/21/2004 3:56 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    In article <[email hidden]>, Rich.@. wrote:

    > On Sat, 21 Feb 2004 18:41:11 GMT, Orac <[email hidden]> wrote:

    > >So, the question remains, is there a significant strain of


    anti-Semitism

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > >in the pro-alts who post here, or are they simply so completely


    suffused

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > >with an "us against them" mentality that they cannot bring themselves


    to

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > >speak ill of a fellow altie, no matter how reprehensible that altie's
    > >statements are? I tend to think this is the alternative explanation.

    PATHETIC!!! Those who have had success with alternative medicine have been
    called everything. The current buzz expression is *anti-semtic*

    Coming from a mentally ill man who has had a pattern of abuse toward anyone


    who

    Quoted message said:

    has used alternative medicine. That pattern is so sick, he nuked his posts,
    hoping poeple could not see it. However, they are in others' posts which he
    can't control and shows an exact pattern. He is so sick, he used ill and


    even

    Quoted message said:

    dead parents to belittle. Now he has the gall to speak of reprehensive
    statements.

    Furthermore he hasn't said a word about Andrew Kingoff's despicable posts.

    Transference of his exact weakness couldn't be any clearer.

    Quoted message said:

    >
    > Let us hear from those who remain silent. I would like to believe your
    > alternative explanation but I wonder. And with each passing day
    > without explanation it becomes more worrisome. Antisemitism is on the
    > rise in the world today. Much of it is being fueled by the Israeli
    > Palestinian conflict and the Iraqi war. It is critical to speak out
    > against antisemitism and ALL bigotry so that we do not again have a
    > return of the genocides of the past.

    Rich fears for his life, there are soooo many anti-semites here on this


    news

    Quoted message said:

    group, it is a dangerous place to be!!!!! Talk about desperation. Run for


    your

    Quoted message said:

    life!!!!!!!!!!!

    Pathetic Paranoia!!!!!!

    The truth is:

    Rich has run evey single person off this newsgroup by using these tactics
    except me. It is eating him up that he has failed and can not run me off.

    Quoted message said:

    I hope I'm not being too charitable in believing that the my explanation


    is the reason why the alties here won't take their less enlightened
    comrades to task when they start making bigoted and anti-Semitic

    Quoted message said:

    comments.

    You are so very very transparent, When are YOU going to take Andrew Kingoff


    to

    Quoted message said:

    task for all his despicable posts? As in John sodomizing a nativity scene


    and

    Quoted message said:

    fathering a sheep??! Or Richard H Jaconson's pattern of abusing any and all
    people who have used alternative medicine with success, EVEN to the point


    of

    Quoted message said:

    using ill and EVEN dead parent to belittlle?!?!

    WHEN are you going to do that Orac??????

    Perhaps it is because I like to look for the best in people
    until I see definitive evidence that I should not.

    WOW!!!!!!!!!! Do show us where you have looked for the best in alt.


    believing

    Quoted message said:

    people.

    However, I agree that
    it is becoming increasingly difficult to maintain this positive view in
    the face of so much silence about the blatant anti-Semitism a few of the
    alties here voice and in the face of some rather rabid defenses of one
    of them.

    This blatant so called anti-semitism is a response of the *gang* who can


    NOT

    Quoted message said:

    stand the truth.

    You are replying to Rich, and he is a pathetic liar. That has been shown


    aver

    Quoted message said:

    and over. He even lies about his name.

    False claims run like water here, when asked to copy and paste, the come


    back

    Quoted message said:

    is, *it was my impressiom* . The is NO copy and paste there is only opinion


    of

    Quoted message said:

    how statements were read.

    To say the JewS rejected Christ, is NOT anti-semitism,,,IT IS THE TRUTH.

    To say Satan is the king of all liars, and leads those who practice lying


    is

    Quoted message said:

    NOT anti-semitism,,,IT IS THE TRUTH.

    To say the Jew on this ng are liars, is NOT anti-semtisim, ,,,IT IS THE


    TRUTH

    Quoted message said:

    AND HAS BEEN PROVEN WITH THEIR OWN WORDS.

    Example:

    Jan Drew says that it is not right for Jews to talk about the

    Quoted message said:

    > Holocaust

    No, that is NOT what I said. I said it is brought up over and over.

    Quoted message said:

    You said that Jews should go to some other newsgroup you antisemitic


    disgusting bigot.

    *Jews should go to some other newsgroup*

    Is NOT saying it is not right for Jews to talk about the holocaust.

    Further more what I said was:

    I suggest all the Jews here go to a Jewish newsgroup and discuss away.

    Then she blames Jews

    Quoted message said:

    of today as a group, for the crimes of some Jews from thousands of
    years ago.

    That is also a lie. Rich made it up. He can not copy and paste the proof


    of

    Quoted message said:

    his

    Quoted message said:

    claim.

    [censored] you liar. Here is EXACTLY what you said (cut and pasted):

    Quoted message said:

    es Jesus was a jew, his own people rejected him.
    They debunked all his words and works,
    and now debunking and lies are second
    nature to them. That is how Satan works.

    NOT ONE WORD OF BLAMING THE JEWS FOR ANY CRIMES OF THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGO.

    Quoted message said:


    Most of the debunkers are either atheists or Jews.

    True. Not one word of blame crimes for thousands of years aso.

    Quoted message said:

    It seems the Jews here have taken over this ng,
    with their vile false accusations and they are all filled
    with hate.

    True. Nor one word of blame for crimes of thousands of years ago.

    This is yet ANOTHER example of the LYING here, and Rich's desperation and
    losing his temper, because the man is sick and has a control problem.

    Ye good ole boy and girl club is still alive.

    It iis very transparent and pathetic.

    Jan

  10. Quoted message said:

    From: Mark Thorson [email hidden]

    Quoted message said:

    Please forgive me for top-posting just this once.

    No need to forgive, it is the *gang* who uses it as another reason to belittle.

    Quoted message said:

    I just can't add anything to this. It's so over-the-top.

    We know you have a hard time handling the truth.

    BTW, that is why Jesus was shown so much hatred.

    What happened to posting the original that would show you didn't lie and I
    did????? Surely you are most eager to prove me a liar.

    You can't post it we see that, as you were lying all along about that also.

    You are among the pathetic.

    Jan

    Quoted message said:

    Jan wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Orac said:
    Quoted message said:


    > >So, the question remains, is there a significant strain of


    anti-Semitism

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > >in the pro-alts who post here, or are they simply so completely


    suffused

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > >with an "us against them" mentality that they cannot bring themselves


    to

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > >speak ill of a fellow altie, no matter how reprehensible that altie's
    > >statements are? I tend to think this is the alternative explanation.

    PATHETIC!!! Those who have had success with alternative medicine have been
    called everything. The current buzz expression is *anti-semtic*

    Coming from a mentally ill man who has had a pattern of abuse toward anyone


    who

    Quoted message said:

    has used alternative medicine. That pattern is so sick, he nuked his posts,
    hoping poeple could not see it. However, they are in others' posts which he
    can't control and shows an exact pattern. He is so sick, he used ill and


    even

    Quoted message said:

    dead parents to belittle. Now he has the gall to speak of reprehensive
    statements.

    Furthermore he hasn't said a word about Andrew Kingoff's despicable posts.

    Transference of his exact weakness couldn't be any clearer.

    Quoted message said:

    >
    > Let us hear from those who remain silent. I would like to believe your
    > alternative explanation but I wonder. And with each passing day
    > without explanation it becomes more worrisome. Antisemitism is on the
    > rise in the world today. Much of it is being fueled by the Israeli
    > Palestinian conflict and the Iraqi war. It is critical to speak out
    > against antisemitism and ALL bigotry so that we do not again have a
    > return of the genocides of the past.

    Rich fears for his life, there are soooo many anti-semites here on this


    news

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    group, it is a dangerous place to be!!!!! Talk about desperation. Run for


    your

    Quoted message said:

    life!!!!!!!!!!!

    Pathetic Paranoia!!!!!!

    The truth is:

    Rich has run evey single person off this newsgroup by using these tactics
    except me. It is eating him up that he has failed and can not run me off.

    Quoted message said:

    I hope I'm not being too charitable in believing that the my explanation


    is the reason why the alties here won't take their less enlightened
    comrades to task when they start making bigoted and anti-Semitic

    Quoted message said:

    comments.

    You are so very very transparent, When are YOU going to take Andrew Kingoff


    to

    Quoted message said:

    task for all his despicable posts? As in John sodomizing a nativity scene


    and

    Quoted message said:

    fathering a sheep??! Or Richard H Jaconson's pattern of abusing any and all
    people who have used alternative medicine with success, EVEN to the point


    of

    Quoted message said:

    using ill and EVEN dead parent to belittlle?!?!

    WHEN are you going to do that Orac??????

    Perhaps it is because I like to look for the best in people
    until I see definitive evidence that I should not.

    WOW!!!!!!!!!! Do show us where you have looked for the best in alt.


    believing

    Quoted message said:

    people.

    However, I agree that
    it is becoming increasingly difficult to maintain this positive view in
    the face of so much silence about the blatant anti-Semitism a few of the
    alties here voice and in the face of some rather rabid defenses of one
    of them.

    This blatant so called anti-semitism is a response of the *gang* who can


    NOT

    Quoted message said:

    stand the truth.

    You are replying to Rich, and he is a pathetic liar. That has been shown


    aver

    Quoted message said:

    and over. He even lies about his name.

    False claims run like water here, when asked to copy and paste, the come


    back

    Quoted message said:

    is, *it was my impressiom* . The is NO copy and paste there is only opinion


    of

    Quoted message said:

    how statements were read.

    To say the JewS rejected Christ, is NOT anti-semitism,,,IT IS THE TRUTH.

    To say Satan is the king of all liars, and leads those who practice lying


    is

    Quoted message said:

    NOT anti-semitism,,,IT IS THE TRUTH.

    To say the Jew on this ng are liars, is NOT anti-semtisim, ,,,IT IS THE


    TRUTH

    Quoted message said:

    AND HAS BEEN PROVEN WITH THEIR OWN WORDS.

    Example:

    Jan Drew says that it is not right for Jews to talk about the

    Quoted message said:

    > Holocaust

    No, that is NOT what I said. I said it is brought up over and over.

    Quoted message said:

    You said that Jews should go to some other newsgroup you antisemitic


    disgusting bigot.

    *Jews should go to some other newsgroup*

    Is NOT saying it is not right for Jews to talk about the holocaust.

    Further more what I said was:

    I suggest all the Jews here go to a Jewish newsgroup and discuss away.

    Then she blames Jews

    Quoted message said:

    of today as a group, for the crimes of some Jews from thousands of
    years ago.

    That is also a lie. Rich made it up. He can not copy and paste the proof


    of

    Quoted message said:

    his

    Quoted message said:

    claim.

    [censored] you liar. Here is EXACTLY what you said (cut and pasted):

    Quoted message said:

    es Jesus was a jew, his own people rejected him.
    They debunked all his words and works,
    and now debunking and lies are second
    nature to them. That is how Satan works.

    NOT ONE WORD OF BLAMING THE JEWS FOR ANY CRIMES OF THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGO.

    Quoted message said:


    Most of the debunkers are either atheists or Jews.

    True. Not one word of blame crimes for thousands of years aso.

    Quoted message said:

    It seems the Jews here have taken over this ng,
    with their vile false accusations and they are all filled
    with hate.

    True. Nor one word of blame for crimes of thousands of years ago.

    This is yet ANOTHER example of the LYING here, and Rich's desperation and
    losing his temper, because the man is sick and has a control problem.

    Ye good ole boy and girl club is still alive.

    It iis very transparent and pathetic.

    Jan

  11. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Pathetic
    From: Orac [email hidden]
    Date: 2/21/2004 6:02 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    (Jan) said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Jan's hatred for Jews
    From: Orac [email hidden]
    Date: 2/21/2004 3:56 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    In article <[email hidden]>, Rich.@. wrote:

    > On Sat, 21 Feb 2004 18:41:11 GMT, Orac <[email hidden]> wrote:

    > >So, the question remains, is there a significant strain of


    anti-Semitism

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > >in the pro-alts who post here, or are they simply so completely


    suffused

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > >with an "us against them" mentality that they cannot bring themselves


    to

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > >speak ill of a fellow altie, no matter how reprehensible that altie's
    > >statements are? I tend to think this is the alternative explanation.

    PATHETIC!!!

    It is indeed pathetic the way alties seem to tolerate your
    anti-Semitism, whatever the reason it is they do it.

    It is noted the anti-semitism false accusations were snipped. Along with you
    proving your claims.

    While egging on a pathetic liar.

    Let's go ove them again, and note how Rich lied.

    You can't handle the truth. It shows exactly how he lied and you lied for and
    wiith him.

    Quoted message said:

    To say the JewS rejected Christ, is NOT anti-semitism,,,IT IS THE TRUTH.

    To say Satan is the king of all liars, and leads those who practice lying is
    NOT anti-semitism,,,IT IS THE TRUTH.

    To say the Jew on this ng are liars, is NOT anti-semtisim, ,,,IT IS THE TRUTH
    AND HAS BEEN PROVEN WITH THEIR OWN WORDS.

    Example:

    Jan Drew says that it is not right for Jews to talk about the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Holocaust

    No, that is NOT what I said. I said it is brought up over and over.

    Quoted message said:

    You said that Jews should go to some other newsgroup you antisemitic


    disgusting bigot.

    *Jews should go to some other newsgroup*

    Is NOT saying it is not right for Jews to talk about the holocaust.

    Further more what I said was:

    I suggest all the Jews here go to a Jewish newsgroup and discuss away.

    Then she blames Jews

    Quoted message said:

    of today as a group, for the crimes of some Jews from thousands of
    years ago.

    That is also a lie. Rich made it up. He can not copy and paste the proof of


    his

    Quoted message said:

    claim.

    [censored] you liar. Here is EXACTLY what you said (cut and pasted):

    Quoted message said:

    es Jesus was a jew, his own people rejected him.
    They debunked all his words and works,
    and now debunking and lies are second
    nature to them. That is how Satan works.

    NOT ONE WORD OF BLAMING THE JEWS FOR ANY CRIMES OF THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGO.

    Quoted message said:


    Most of the debunkers are either atheists or Jews.

    True. Not one word of blame crimes for thousands of years aso.

    Quoted message said:

    It seems the Jews here have taken over this ng,
    with their vile false accusations and they are all filled
    with hate.

    True. Nor one word of blame for crimes of thousands of years ago.

    This is yet ANOTHER example of the LYING here, and Rich's desperation and
    losing his temper, because the man is sick and has a control problem.

    Ye good ole boy and girl club is still alive.

    It iis very transparent and pathetic.

    Jan

  12. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Pathetic
    From: Orac [email hidden]
    Date: 2/21/2004 6:05 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    In article <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] (Jan) wrote:

    [Snip]

    Quoted message said:

    To say the JewS rejected Christ, is NOT anti-semitism,,,IT IS THE TRUTH.

    To say Satan is the king of all liars, and leads those who practice lying


    is

    Quoted message said:

    NOT anti-semitism,,,IT IS THE TRUTH.

    To say the Jew on this ng are liars, is NOT anti-semtisim, ,,,IT IS THE


    TRUTH

    Quoted message said:

    AND HAS BEEN PROVEN WITH THEIR OWN WORDS.

    I let these statements speak for themselves. I think they bolster my
    accusation of anti-Semitism quite nicely.

    I see. So the truth is now included in anti-semiitism.

    You have made several claims tonight, do you plan on proving them????

    Apparent you can't, you have already been caught in a lie when you claim I
    hated conventional medicine and I proved you to be lying, and it has been a
    repeated lie from several of the *gang*

    You also stated I couldn't correct a mistake.

    You were wrong, now I am waiting for you to correct yours.

    That's exactly why I am called names. I call, you can't produce.

    Jan

  13. Quoted message said:

    Please forgive me for top-posting just this once.
    I just can't add anything to this. It's so over-the-top.
    Anything I tried to add would simply distract from
    the experience of immersing yourself in pure Janistic
    hatred. So, presented without further comment,
    in its complete, mind-numbing totality, is Jan
    in her own words:

    I second your motion. Nothing we can say about Jan is as bad has how her own
    words reflect her hatred, bigotry, and ignorance. She is, at best, a loathsome
    brute whose live stands as a cautionary example to us all.

    Sad that.

    Quoted message said:

    Jan wrote:

  14. Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    (Jan) said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Jan's hatred for Jews
    From: Orac [email hidden]
    Date: 2/21/2004 3:56 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    In article <[email hidden]>, Rich.@. wrote:

    > On Sat, 21 Feb 2004 18:41:11 GMT, Orac <[email hidden]> wrote:

    > >So, the question remains, is there a significant strain of


    anti-Semitism

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > >in the pro-alts who post here, or are they simply so completely


    suffused

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > >with an "us against them" mentality that they cannot bring themselves


    to

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > >speak ill of a fellow altie, no matter how reprehensible that altie's
    > >statements are? I tend to think this is the alternative explanation.

    PATHETIC!!!

    It is indeed pathetic the way alties seem to tolerate your
    anti-Semitism, whatever the reason it is they do it.

    Quoted message said:

    Those who have had success with alternative medicine have been
    called everything. The current buzz expression is *anti-semtic*

    Nope. Only you and DEBBEE are being called anti-Semitic, and the only
    reason for that is that you make anti-Semitic statements. The alties who
    tolerate your anti-Semitism and remain silent are being criticized for
    tolerating your bigotry.

    Orac, I must break the golden rule of the "Good Ole Boy & Girl Network" and
    correct you. Rod-Munch is also, justly, being called an anti-semite.

    Quoted message said:

    [Remainder of Jan spew deleted]

    --
    Orac

  15. In article said:
    Orac said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] (Jan) wrote:

    [Snip]

    Quoted message said:

    To say the JewS rejected Christ, is NOT anti-semitism,,,IT IS THE TRUTH.

    To say Satan is the king of all liars, and leads those who practice lying
    is
    NOT anti-semitism,,,IT IS THE TRUTH.

    To say the Jew on this ng are liars, is NOT anti-semtisim, ,,,IT IS THE
    TRUTH
    AND HAS BEEN PROVEN WITH THEIR OWN WORDS.

    I let these statements speak for themselves. I think they bolster my
    accusation of anti-Semitism quite nicely.

    Oh, Jan, I would also point out that you forgot again to exempt Ilena
    from your charge that the Jews on this newsgroup are all liars. You're
    slipping...

    Cue Jan to point out that she did not say ALL JEWS. In fact she used
    Jew (singular) which probably was a typo but Jan will milk it for all
    she can.

    It was either a typo, or Jan's grammar is really bad, as she said "the
    Jew on this ng are liars." ;-)

    Quoted message said:

    I guess if Ilena has not accept Jesus as her lord and savior then
    Ilena has also rejected Jesus and Ilena has also been led by Satan to
    reject him and is not much different from all those dirty filthy lying
    Jews who betrayed Jesus two thousand years ago. After all lying and
    debunking started then and lying and debunking comes second nature to
    Jews today. But you are not an antisemite. You really love Jews. You
    just have a strange way of showing it:-)))

    The only difference between Ilena and the other Jews on this newsgroup
    in Jan's mind is that Ilena expresses opinions Jan agrees with with
    regards to alt-med. That's the *only* reason Jan doesn't tar Ilena with
    the same "liar" epithet or lump Ilena in with all those other
    Christ-rejecting Jews she considers to be "led by Satan."

    --
    Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
    |
    |"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
    | inconvenience me with questions?"

  16. In article <[email hidden]>,

    (Jan) said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Pathetic
    From: Orac [email hidden]
    Date: 2/21/2004 6:05 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    In article <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] (Jan) wrote:

    [Snip]

    Quoted message said:

    To say the JewS rejected Christ, is NOT anti-semitism,,,IT IS THE TRUTH.

    To say Satan is the king of all liars, and leads those who practice lying


    is

    Quoted message said:

    NOT anti-semitism,,,IT IS THE TRUTH.

    To say the Jew on this ng are liars, is NOT anti-semtisim, ,,,IT IS THE


    TRUTH

    Quoted message said:

    AND HAS BEEN PROVEN WITH THEIR OWN WORDS.

    I let these statements speak for themselves. I think they bolster my
    accusation of anti-Semitism quite nicely.

    I see. So the truth is now included in anti-semiitism.

    You mean your "truth" that all "Jews on this ng are liars," Jan?

    Yes. Labeling all Jews on this newsgroup as liars and saying that Satan
    is the king of liars (thus implying that all Jews on this newsgroup
    serve Satan) sure are anti-Semitic statements.

    [Snip]

    --
    Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
    |
    |"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
    | inconvenience me with questions?"

  17. In article said:
    Orac said:

    Nope. Only you and DEBBEE are being called anti-Semitic

    Don't forget Rod and Carole from down under.

    I'm not as convinced about their anti-Semitism as I am about DEBBEE and
    Jan's anti-Semitism. So, in the spirit of always looking for the best in
    people, I tend to hold my fire until I see more concrete evidence.

    --
    Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
    |
    |"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
    | inconvenience me with questions?"

  18. In article <[email hidden]>,

    (Ilsa9) said:
    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] (Jan) wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Those who have had success with alternative medicine have been
    called everything. The current buzz expression is *anti-semtic*

    Nope. Only you and DEBBEE are being called anti-Semitic, and the only
    reason for that is that you make anti-Semitic statements. The alties who
    tolerate your anti-Semitism and remain silent are being criticized for
    tolerating your bigotry.

    Orac, I must break the golden rule of the "Good Ole Boy & Girl Network" and
    correct you. Rod-Munch is also, justly, being called an anti-semite.

    How so? Perhaps I missed those posts...

    --
    Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
    |
    |"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
    | inconvenience me with questions?"

  19. Orac said:

    . Rod-Munch is also, justly, being called an anti-semite.

    How so? Perhaps I missed those posts...

    From: Rod ([email hidden])

    Quoted message said:

    Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
    Date: 2003-01-31 05:15:32 PST

    Quoted message said:

    "I think that your are the very epitome of the so called description of "

    Quoted message said:

    Jew Boy".

    Hope that helps.

    Aloha,

    Rich
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    The best defense to logic is ignorance

  20. Orac said:
    Quoted message said:

    Orac, I must break the golden rule of the "Good Ole Boy & Girl Network" and
    correct you. Rod-Munch is also, justly, being called an anti-semite.

    How so? Perhaps I missed those posts...

    From: Rod ([email hidden])

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: ReMarking the Probert, Marla..
    Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
    Date: 2003-01-31 05:22:09 PST

    Hi Andrew and Aloha Rich,

    What pathetic pieces of [censored] you two boys are,
    Forgive me if I ask are you both Jewish?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Joel,

    In your dreams dumb [censored].
    See comments to the all time Loser "Jew Boy" Mark Probert, (loser
    extraordinaire.)
    Regards, Rod

    Aloha,

    Rich

    PS: If you cannot conclude that Rod is antisemitic from his comments
    then all I can say is that you really must be bending over backwards
    to look for the good in people.

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    The best defense to logic is ignorance

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