Re: Parasite cleanse

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Subject: Re: Parasite cleanse
From: Tsu Dho Nimh [email hidden]
Date: 8/8/2003 5:18 AM Pacific Standard Time
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Falcor said:

Can anyone help me find a trustworthy parasite cleanse? Thank you.

Which parasite? And how do you know you have them?

And if you have fallen for the ads that claim that a good
intestinal cleanse fill fix whatever is wrong with you ... they
don't work as claimed.

How do you know?

This one does, it worked for me.

http://www.drclark.net/disease/p_cleanse.htm

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Eat better, get enough sleep, and get moderate exercise. If you
don'tstart feeling better in a couple of weeks, see a doctor -
this could be something subtle like early diabetes, thyrpoid
problems, or anemic due to any numbre of cuases.

And the doctor most likely will not check for parasites, because of

their

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training from *organized medcine*

Hi Jan

No the doctor did not check for parasites nor pay attention to my
concerns of a possible gluten sensitivity. It became clear to me that
doctors treat symptoms and have little or no concern about underlying
cause. Now I am not anti-doctor by any means but this seems to be an
issue with them.

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Jan

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Subject: Re: Parasite cleanse
From: [email hidden] (Jan)
Date: 8/8/2003 7:43 AM Pacific Daylight Time
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This one does, it worked for me.

http://www.drclark.net/disease/p_cleanse.htm

oh..you mean her "zapper"...am sure the guy has a barbecue lighter
around...same thing..

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And the doctor most likely will not check for parasites, because of their
training from *organized medcine*

Jan

Jannnnnnyy

anyone with parasites...TRUE parasites..come in with intestinal
complaints..usually diarrhea...since Hulda Clark's parasites reside in
southeast asia...one would FIRST ask questions about travel

"everyone has parasites"??? what toilet do you hang out in??

hawki

hawki

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Subject: Re: Parasite cleanse
From: "Falcor" [email hidden]
Date: 8/8/2003 7:29 AM Pacific Standard Time
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Subject: Re: Parasite cleanse
From: Tsu Dho Nimh [email hidden]
Date: 8/8/2003 5:18 AM Pacific Standard Time
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"Falcor" <[email hidden]> wrote:

>Can anyone help me find a trustworthy parasite cleanse? Thank you.

Which parasite? And how do you know you have them?

And if you have fallen for the ads that claim that a good
intestinal cleanse fill fix whatever is wrong with you ... they
don't work as claimed.

How do you know?

This one does, it worked for me.

http://www.drclark.net/disease/p_cleanse.htm

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Eat better, get enough sleep, and get moderate exercise. If you
don'tstart feeling better in a couple of weeks, see a doctor -
this could be something subtle like early diabetes, thyrpoid
problems, or anemic due to any numbre of cuases.

And the doctor most likely will not check for parasites, because of

their

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training from *organized medcine*

Hi Jan

No the doctor did not check for parasites nor pay attention to my
concerns of a possible gluten sensitivity. It became clear to me that
doctors treat symptoms and have little or no concern about underlying
cause. Now I am not anti-doctor by any means but this seems to be an
issue with them.

Yep, been there, done that. I am not anti-doctor either. There are many many
good hard working doctors and God Bless them. My beef is with *organized
medicine* who has the control of what they are taught. Therein lies the big
problem.

There are many doctors who will tell the evils of the organization and they are
appalled and will have nothing to do with it.

I searched and searching for two years and spent $20.000 to find my health
problem, and nearly died during this search. I turned to alternative medicine
and did my own research and it paid off,, otherwise I would most likely be
dead.

Good luck to you and it the drugs don't work, find a good alternative
practitioner, don't wait, and let it keep getting worse.

Jan

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Falcor said:

No the doctor did not check for parasites

Why do you think you have parasites??

Actually I have no idea if I do or not though I am a candidate for
them and have some of the symptoms.

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Rich
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Subject: Re: Parasite cleanse
From: Tsu Dho Nimh [email hidden]
Date: 8/8/2003 5:18 AM Pacific Standard Time
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Falcor said:

Can anyone help me find a trustworthy parasite cleanse? Thank you.

Which parasite? And how do you know you have them?

And if you have fallen for the ads that claim that a good
intestinal cleanse fill fix whatever is wrong with you ... they
don't work as claimed.

How do you know?

This one does, it worked for me.

http://www.drclark.net/disease/p_cleanse.htm

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Eat better, get enough sleep, and get moderate exercise. If you
don'tstart feeling better in a couple of weeks, see a doctor -
this could be something subtle like early diabetes, thyrpoid
problems, or anemic due to any numbre of cuases.

And the doctor most likely will not check for parasites, because of their
training from *organized medcine*

No, because we know they are rarely ever there in developed societies. We
know this from thousands of daily stool specimen examinations,
proctoscopies, colonoscopies, gastroduodenoscopies, choledochoscopies, and
other samplings which normally are able to show parasites when they are
present. We know this becasue we have public health authorities
constantly on the alert for such agents in our water and food.

If we were to find Hulda Clark's F Buskii (easily seen with the naked eye)
in a New Yorker's liver or biliary system it would get written up in medical
journals and there would be a big search to find out how on earth it got
there from Asia.

These are facts. They may conflict with what you want to believe.
Parasites may have become a fashionable belief within alternative medicine,
taking over centre stage from Candida as the source of many ills, but that
does not change the truth one iota.

Peter Moran

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Subject: Re: Parasite cleanse
From: Tsu Dho Nimh [email hidden]
Date: 8/8/2003 5:18 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

"Falcor" <[email hidden]> wrote:

>Can anyone help me find a trustworthy parasite cleanse? Thank you.

Which parasite? And how do you know you have them?

And if you have fallen for the ads that claim that a good
intestinal cleanse fill fix whatever is wrong with you ... they
don't work as claimed.

How do you know?

This one does, it worked for me.

http://www.drclark.net/disease/p_cleanse.htm

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Eat better, get enough sleep, and get moderate exercise. If you
don'tstart feeling better in a couple of weeks, see a doctor -
this could be something subtle like early diabetes, thyrpoid
problems, or anemic due to any numbre of cuases.

And the doctor most likely will not check for parasites, because of

their

Quoted message said:

training from *organized medcine*

Hi Jan

No the doctor did not check for parasites nor pay attention to my
concerns of a possible gluten sensitivity. It became clear to me that
doctors treat symptoms and have little or no concern about underlying
cause. Now I am not anti-doctor by any means but this seems to be an
issue with them.

If I were a doctor, it might be kind of an issue with me if you came
in with an attitude like that.

But never mind that. A doctor would not check for parasites unless
you had some fairly unusual symptoms and nothing else checked out.
The gluten thing you can check for yourself by removing it from your
diet; if you see any dramatic effects, then either go back or find
yourself a more responsive doc.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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Subject: Re: Parasite cleanse
From: "Peter Moran" [email hidden]
Date: 8/8/2003 2:32 PM Pacific Standard Time
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Subject: Re: Parasite cleanse
From: Tsu Dho Nimh [email hidden]
Date: 8/8/2003 5:18 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

"Falcor" <[email hidden]> wrote:

>Can anyone help me find a trustworthy parasite cleanse? Thank you.

Which parasite? And how do you know you have them?

And if you have fallen for the ads that claim that a good
intestinal cleanse fill fix whatever is wrong with you ... they
don't work as claimed.

How do you know?

This one does, it worked for me.

http://www.drclark.net/disease/p_cleanse.htm

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Eat better, get enough sleep, and get moderate exercise. If you
don'tstart feeling better in a couple of weeks, see a doctor -
this could be something subtle like early diabetes, thyrpoid
problems, or anemic due to any numbre of cuases.

And the doctor most likely will not check for parasites, because of their
training from *organized medcine*

No, because we know they are rarely ever there in developed societies.

That is pure BS!! And what you have been taught.

Neither do you believe that amalgams can cause mercury poisoning, another WRONG
taught by organized medicine and dentistry.

Truth is conventional medicine rarely checks for them, because you can't find
something you have been taught is non existent.

And that is just one more reason to turn to alternative medicine.

All the bunk put forth here is just that,,,,,,,,,,,,BUNK.

Alternative medicine keeps growing because conventional DENIES REAL diseases.

You are an excellent example.

Jan

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Subject: Re: Parasite cleanse
From: [email hidden] (Jan)
Date: 8/8/2003 8:50 PM Pacific Daylight Time

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http://www.drclark.net/disease/p_cleanse.htm

oh yeah..Hulda the queen of wiggling ones!!! LOL

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Truth is conventional medicine rarely checks for them, because you can't find
something you have been taught is non existent.

oh...so if a parasite WAS present...a stool sample would not reveal it???

poopycock...

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because conventional DENIES REAL diseases.

that is without a doubt the stupidest thing you have yet to say!!!! yep...deny
real disease??? not the somatic kind carried in your head Janny

hawki
hawki

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Subject: Re: Parasite cleanse
From: "Falcor" [email hidden]
Date: 8/8/2003 12:39 PM Pacific Standard Time
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On Fri, 08 Aug 2003 15:29:21 GMT, "Falcor"
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>No the doctor did not check for parasites

Why do you think you have parasites??

Actually I have no idea if I do or not though I am a candidate for
them and have some of the symptoms

I am sorry you have stepped into a hornet's nest. To the debunkers,

parasite is

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a sore spot.

What they have to say is basesd on past arguments, of ye ole EGO

game, I'm

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right and you are wrong.

Since alterantive medicine know they are a problem, they check for

them, and

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conventional rarely does because they falsely believe they are only

in third

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world countries.

In truth they are everywhere and many or most people have them,

especially if

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you have pets.

They are NOT pretend. The debunkers will tell you to take drugs,

rather than do

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a cleanse. As a matter of fact, the word cleanse sets them off also.

Best to do your own research and talk with people who have had

ACTUAL

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experience.

I will try my own experiment. If no parasites I find then fine. If
parasites found then I know they are there. It's not like I'm spending
my life's savings here.

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Jan

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From: [email hidden] (David Wright)
Date: 8/8/2003 7:25 PM Pacific Standard Time
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A doctor would not check for parasites unless
you had some fairly unusual symptoms and nothing else checked out.

B I N G O!! Furthermore, they don't check even after all of the above.
Jan

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Subject: Re: Parasite cleanse
From: "Peter Moran" [email hidden]
Date: 8/8/2003 2:32 PM Pacific Standard Time
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>Subject: Re: Parasite cleanse
>From: Tsu Dho Nimh [email hidden]
>Date: 8/8/2003 5:18 AM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <[email hidden]>
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>"Falcor" <[email hidden]> wrote:
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>>Can anyone help me find a trustworthy parasite cleanse? Thank you.
>
>Which parasite? And how do you know you have them?
>
>And if you have fallen for the ads that claim that a good
>intestinal cleanse fill fix whatever is wrong with you ... they
>don't work as claimed.

How do you know?

This one does, it worked for me.

http://www.drclark.net/disease/p_cleanse.htm

>Eat better, get enough sleep, and get moderate exercise. If you
>don'tstart feeling better in a couple of weeks, see a doctor -
>this could be something subtle like early diabetes, thyrpoid
>problems, or anemic due to any numbre of cuases.

And the doctor most likely will not check for parasites, because of

their

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training from *organized medcine*

No, because we know they are rarely ever there in developed societies.

That is pure BS!!

Pray why?

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And what you have been taught.

Not that this is at all relevant to the truth of the matter, but it has also
been confirmed by
by thirty years of "personal experience" in abdominal surgery and endoscopy
looking into organs where parasites might be found. We occasionally turn
up giardia and pinworms in semiurban Queensland, but nothing else in the
locals. We are closer to Asia than you are and occasionally encounter more
exotic parasites in immigrants and travellers, such as amoebic dysentery.

Ask any parasitologist, or pathologist. Why should they lie? Why should
I, for that matter?

Peter Moran

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Neither do you believe that amalgams can cause mercury poisoning, another

WRONG

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taught by organized medicine and dentistry.

Truth is conventional medicine rarely checks for them, because you can't

find

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something you have been taught is non existent.

And that is just one more reason to turn to alternative medicine.

All the bunk put forth here is just that,,,,,,,,,,,,BUNK.

Alternative medicine keeps growing because conventional DENIES REAL

diseases.

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You are an excellent example.

Jan

Jan said:

Best to do your own research and talk with people who have had ACTUAL
experience.

Jan, I have ACTUAL EXPERIENCE treating patients infected with all manner
of parasites, virtually daily. I diagnose them using validated
techniques (fecal flotations, fecal smears, skin scrapings, etc...) and
treat them using validated, safe medications. None of my patients are
diagnosed using Syncrometers, applied kinesiology, or other
non-validated techniques (read: they actually DO have parasitic
infections). None of them are treated with non-validated herbal
concoctions with little to no reliable safety or efficacy data.

It is time that you give some consideration to the work of
board-certified human and veterinary parasitologists, who have dedicated
their professional lives to testing for and treating parasitic
infections, rather than listening to the mad ravings of lunatics using
Syncrometers and other inane diagnostic and treatment modalities.

Note: I am not claiming that human parasitic infections do not exist in
the Western world, nor do I claim that certain herbal treatment MAY have
some efficacy in treating some parasites.. I am only stating that most
of what you have offered re: "alternative" parasite diagnosis and
treatment is nonsense spread by people who do not know what they are
talking about.
--
Kirk Kolas, DVM

Peter Moran said:

If we were to find Hulda Clark's F Buskii (easily seen with the naked eye)
in a New Yorker's liver or biliary system it would get written up in medical
journals and there would be a big search to find out how on earth it got
there from Asia.

As witness the attention given to the Peoria, Arizona water
system when two children died of a rare amoeba infection (the
infection is rare, the amoeba is extremely common in surface
water everywhere) and the only link they could find was they had
spent some time within a few blocks of each other.

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These are facts. They may conflict with what you want to believe.
Parasites may have become a fashionable belief within alternative medicine,
taking over centre stage from Candida as the source of many ills, but that
does not change the truth one iota.

Tsu

--
To doubt everything or to believe everything
are two equally convenient solutions; both
dispense with the necessity of reflection.
- Jules Henri Poincaré

Jan said:

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From: [email hidden] (David Wright)
Date: 8/8/2003 7:25 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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A doctor would not check for parasites unless
you had some fairly unusual symptoms and nothing else checked out.

B I N G O!! Furthermore, they don't check even after all of the above.
Jan

Jan, the issue is HOW these parasites are "checked for".. if a physician
(or veterinarian) suspects a parasitic infection, they will perform
validated tests in order to detect the adult parasite, eggs, larvae,
etc... for example repeated fecal flotations, fecal smears, scrapings,
the list goes on...

Many alternative practitioners use non-validated techniques to "detect"
parasites... its the difference between reality and make-believe.

--
Kirk Kolas, DVM

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And the doctor most likely will not check for parasites, because of their
training from *organized medcine*

No, because we know they are rarely ever there in developed societies.

That is pure BS!! And what you have been taught.

Jan -
Can you show studies on RANDOM persons that can show parasites?
Can you show any evidence that the majority of us are walking
around with a clinically significant parasite load. (FWIW - yes,
I have ACTUAL EXPERIENCE with intestinal parasites, having had a
few of them foud in and on me. Amazing what running around in
the Mexican boonies can do for your parasite popuulation. Also,
FWIW, they were found on the routine admittance testing and were
not giving me any problems ... that damned typhoid bacteria was.)

Hands down, the most detested test in microbiology was the "24
hour O&P" ... basically dredging through a 24 hour collection of
feces searching for parasites. The most detestable part was that
we so seldom found ANYTHING! Not an amoeba, an egg, a tapeworm
segment, nothing. As a rule, if we hadn't found it on a couple
of random samples (and if we did, they didn't get to order the
24-hour test), it wasn't there. I can't remember any 24-hour
testing that was positive.

Tsu

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To doubt everything or to believe everything
are two equally convenient solutions; both
dispense with the necessity of reflection.
- Jules Henri Poincaré

You certainly know how to disagree with yourself. This invalidates most of
your comment.

If you think this is all nonsense, what is your validation for that? None
I'll bet. You always want proven (under your technology) methods only, but
when the techniques work for many they are still bunk. Prove or disprove
them yourself and stop wanting the believers to prove it to you.

Your ignorance does not make the other methodologists quacks.

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Note: I am not claiming that human parasitic infections do not exist in
the Western world, nor do I claim that certain herbal treatment MAY have
some efficacy in treating some parasites.. I am only stating that most
of what you have offered re: "alternative" parasite diagnosis and
treatment is nonsense spread by people who do not know what they are
talking about.
--
Kirk Kolas, DVM

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Since alterantive medicine know they are a problem, they check for them,

and

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conventional rarely does because they falsely believe they are only in

third

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world countries.

I'm curious, Jan. How does alternative medicine "check for" parasites? What
diagnostic procedures do they use? Note that this is an honest,
straight-forward question, and I really want to know. So please don't just
respond with an angry outburst.

Thanks

--Rich

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Alternative medicine keeps growing because conventional DENIES REAL

diseases.

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You are an excellent example.

Jan

Actually, Jan, you are a better example of a denier of real disease. You
seem to think that somatic diseases don't exist, and that any doctor who
diagnosis one is evil or brainwashed.

--Rich

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Jan, the issue is HOW these parasites are "checked for".. if a physician
(or veterinarian) suspects a parasitic infection, they will perform
validated tests in order to detect the adult parasite, eggs, larvae,
etc... for example repeated fecal flotations, fecal smears, scrapings,
the list goes on...

Been there, done that.

Got back from a week in India with persistent mild
diarrhea, and the next week went in to check the
chance that it was something I brought back. Nope.
Cleared up on its own [1], but contrary to Jan's
lies, my doc agreed immediately that labwork was
indicated. I've seen the list of tests, and it's
a very long one. All negative.

Of course, this is another case where Jan has no
use for ACTUAL EXPERIENCE since it contradicts her
Revealed Truth.

[1] I absolutely *love* fiery cooking, especially
southern Indian cuisine. A week plus there
just turns out to have suited me all too well.

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