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  1. We've had laws like this in the U.S. for a long time--unenforced.
    Technically, for stuff like new circuits or outlets, upgrading a
    circuit breaker panel, etc., you're supposed to use a licensed
    electrician, and the latter requires permits. It varies by locality,
    but most cities adhere to the same National Electrical Code (not a
    government code).

    Some enforcement is provided by insurance companies, who will try not
    to pay if a fire is caused by illegal wiring.

    I had some wiring done on my swimming pool lights and pumps, and the
    electrician was clueless, I had to show him the code regulations for
    the stuff, some of which is not possible to even adhere to without
    removing the whole pool first!

    I doubt if this law prevents someone from replacing a plug on an
    appliance.

  2. Quoted message said:

    We've had laws like this in the U.S. for a long time--unenforced.

    This is what gets me about stupid laws like this, do Governments
    actually sit down and think: Can we enforce this law? How
    easy/possible will it be to enforce this law? What will/might people
    do when confronted by this law? Is it easily by-passed? What are we
    looking to achieve with this law? blah, blah etc...etc..
    Anyway...

    Run a few cables in Sacramento in me time...love those 'wire nuts' you
    use out there...scool. Remember if you come here, black is negative,
    not hot :-)

    Garry

    Quoted message said:

    Technically, for stuff like new circuits or outlets, upgrading a
    circuit breaker panel, etc., you're supposed to use a licensed
    electrician, and the latter requires permits. It varies by locality,
    but most cities adhere to the same National Electrical Code (not a
    government code).

    Some enforcement is provided by insurance companies, who will try not
    to pay if a fire is caused by illegal wiring.

    I had some wiring done on my swimming pool lights and pumps, and the
    electrician was clueless, I had to show him the code regulations for
    the stuff, some of which is not possible to even adhere to without
    removing the whole pool first!

    I doubt if this law prevents someone from replacing a plug on an
    appliance.

  3. "garryb59" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Run a few cables in Sacramento in me time...love those 'wire nuts' you
    use out there...scool. Remember if you come here, black is negative,
    not hot :-)

    Ah - this ain't necessarily so any more. Check out the new cable colours
    (black is one of the phases on a 3-phase supply). The new colours for 2
    phase, ie what nearly everybody has at home are brown/blue, just like
    appliance cables.

    (wire nuts?)

    cheers,
    clive

  4. Clive George said:

    "garryb59" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Run a few cables in Sacramento in me time...love those 'wire nuts' you
    use out there...scool. Remember if you come here, black is negative,
    not hot :-)

    Ah - this ain't necessarily so any more. Check out the new cable colours
    (black is one of the phases on a 3-phase supply). The new colours for 2
    phase, ie what nearly everybody has at home are brown/blue, just like
    appliance cables.

    Yes, I was aware of this, just refering to the already installed codes
    he might find over here.

    Quoted message said:

    (wire nuts?)

    Wire nuts:
    http://shopping.msn.com/marketplace.aspx?pmpType=1&pcId=10035&catId=1899

    Instead of our plastics block connectors.

    Garry

  5. garryb59 said:
    Quoted message said:

    We've had laws like this in the U.S. for a long time--unenforced.

    This is what gets me about stupid laws like this, do Governments
    actually sit down and think: Can we enforce this law? How
    easy/possible will it be to enforce this law? What will/might people
    do when confronted by this law? Is it easily by-passed? What are we
    looking to achieve with this law? blah, blah etc...etc..
    Anyway...

    Run a few cables in Sacramento in me time...love those 'wire nuts' you
    use out there...scool. Remember if you come here, black is negative,
    not hot :-)

    Heh. I remember arriving at a downrange monitoring trailer in the
    Arizona desert some years ago, prior to an experimental campaign.
    Beside the unconnected trailer was a utility pole with telephone and
    electric coming to it. I had a ladder, a toolkit, a lot of cable, and
    a set of handwritten instructions as to which wire was which. Oh
    Blessed Lady of Multimeters, don't fail me now...

  6. On Tue, 07 Dec 2004 21:30:20 +0000 someone who may be garryb59
    <[email hidden]> wrote this:-

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    (wire nuts?)

    Wire nuts:
    http://shopping.msn.com/marketplace.aspx?pmpType=1&pcId=10035&catId=1899

    Used in the UK until the 1960s.

    --
    David Hansen, Edinburgh | PGP email preferred-key number F566DA0E
    I will always explain revoked keys, unless the UK government
    prevents me by using the RIP Act 2000.

  7. On Thu, 09 Dec 2004 12:23:57 +0000, David Hansen
    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    <[email hidden]>:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Wire nuts:


    Used in the UK until the 1960s.

    And known as "dog cocks" by my dad, for some not particularly
    unaccountable reason.

    Guy
    --
    "then came ye chavves, theyre cartes girded wyth candels
    blue, and theyre beastes wyth straynge horn-lyke thyngs
    onn theyre arses that theyre fartes be herde from myles
    around." Chaucer, the Sheppey Tales

  8. garryb59 said:

    Wire nuts:
    http://shopping.msn.com/marketplace.aspx?pmpType=1&pcId=10035&catId=1899

    Instead of our plastics block connectors.

    Dirty 'orrible things. A Merkin company by the name of Columbus McKinnon
    insist on using them for the wiring in their electric hoists. The
    highlight of a service is trying to get 3 stranded 2.5mm wires and the
    leg of a diode into one of the buggers. Grrrrr.

    Jon

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