Re: OT - Beer

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On Mar 5, 9:24 pm, "Jay" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...> [email protected] wrote:
> >> A while back I read about a barley wine on this group.
> > --
> > Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
> > The weather is here, wish you were beautiful>
>
> There is exactly one bottle beer, which is a joy to drink:
>
> http://www.unibroue.com/products/fin.cfm
>
> I am sharing this info with you, because I am sure you will use it wisely.
>
> It is pricey, because it is a very special thing. And, of course, French.
> That is how it goes.
>
> I apologize for spitting on the floor, in the last paragraph.
>
> J.

La Fin du Monde is another of my favorites. I found it last year in
my search to replace the barley wine once it went out of season.
Can't say i find it superior to the Blithering Idiot, though I do find
it in league with some barley wines such as Bigfoot and superior to
some others, such as the Smuttynose (and their beers are normally very
good).

I don't find it to be overly pricey when you consider how it drinks
and the alcohol content. In my parts it's around $5 for a bottle,
which is about what a 6 pack of decent normal beer costs. I'd take
about the same amount of time to get through the La Fin du Monde and
enjoy it more. 1 or 2 of those over the course of a night by the fire
with a good book has been a great night for me more than once.

 

[Bill Z.]

"Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> writes:

> >> "Investigations have shown that Obama's father and stepfather were devout
> >> Islamics. Both faithfully practiced their religion. <snip>
> >
> > What I'd make of it is that you are an idiot for even thinking it is
> > credible enough to post, or a mindless troll if you know better.
>
> Just presenting a few facts for you and your ilk to mull over!
<snip>

Those aren't facts you posted but lies, which you continued in the rest
of your mindless rant.

<thread plonk - I've more important things to do right now than deal
with some complete moron like Dolan>

--
My real name backwards: nemuaZ lliB

 

[Stephen Harding]

D'ohBoy wrote:

> Anyone catch Medium this week and the thinly veiled references to
> McCain's affection for the long pig?
>
> Soylent Green - it's the other other white meat! Or perhaps he
> prefers dark? The 'swiftboating' in SC in 2000 sure seemed to suggest
> it!

[NGs trimmed]

You guys aren't waiting long to throw the mud are ya?

I thought this was the kind of stuff only the nasty
dirty Republicans did to honest sincere Democrats?


SMH

 

[Peter Cole]

A Muzi wrote:
>> still just me <[email protected]> may have said:
>>> Let's see: massive recession with stagflation and credit markets
>>> tumbling, $700b pointless war continuing, imported labor (direct and
>>> indirect) eliminating most US based jobs, the Constitution and Bill of
>>> Rights apparently no longer observed... no matter who we elect, at
>>> least it can't get much worse.
>
> Werehatrack wrote:
>> Au contraire. IMO, it can and it will, regardless of who wins. The
>> real question is whether we will elect another Hoover who, oblivious
>> to the concerns of the people whose plight he (or she) does not truly
>> understand or actually care about, will do nothing effective to start
>> making the significant changes that will be needed to build the base
>> for a less wasteful, more responsible future. And make no mistake;
>> digging out of the mess will take more than 8 years.
>
> Or another Roosevelt who can take a minor dip and make all-time horrible
> suffering and destitution of it.
> You'd expect more of Bernanke - he wrote on this specifically. But no.

Yes, he did, He's a smart guy, and apparently the Great Depression is
one of his favorite subjects, but he blamed the Federal Reserve, not the
president:

Bernanke from:
http://foreignpolicy.com/story/cms.php?story_id=3272

"A closer look reveals that the economic repercussions of a stock market
crash depend less on the severity of the crash itself than on the
response of economic policymakers, particularly central bankers. After
the 1929 crash, the Federal Reserve mistakenly focused its policies on
preserving the gold value of the dollar rather than on stabilizing the
domestic economy. By raising interest rates to protect the dollar,
policymakers contributed to soaring unemployment and severe price
deflation. The U.S. central bank only compounded its mistake by failing
to counter the collapse of the country’s banking system in the early
1930s; bank failures both intensified the monetary squeeze (since bank
deposits were liquidated) and sparked a credit crunch that hurt
consumers and small firms in particular. Without these policy blunders
by the Federal Reserve, there is little reason to believe that the 1929
crash would have been followed by more than a moderate dip in U.S.
economic activity."

Another important factor:

"The Hawley-Smoot Tariff (or Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act) was signed into
law on June 17, 1930, and raised U.S. tariffs on over 20,000 imported
goods to record levels, and, in the opinion of most economists, worsened
the Great Depression. Economists have now generally regarded this Tariff
Act (i.e., tax increase on imported goods) as the greatest policy
blunder in American economic history, coming as it did after the 1929-30
recession and preventing the economy from a full, natural recovery which
had already started by the Spring, 1930."

"The act pioneered by Senator Reed Smoot, a Republican from Utah, and
Representative Willis C. Hawley, a Republican from Oregon. President
Herbert Hoover had asked Congress for a downward revision in rates, but
Congress raised rates instead. While many economists urged a veto,
Hoover signed the bill. Hoover had, during the 1928 campaign, pledged to
help beleaguered farmers by, among other things, raising tariff levels
on agricultural products."

"Milton Friedman, leader of the Chicago School, argued that the Federal
Reserve System did not cause the Great Depression, but made it worse by
contracting the money supply at the very moment that markets needed
liquidity. Since its entire existence was predicated on its mission to
prevent events like the Great Depression, it had failed in what the 1913
bill tried to enact.[58] Friedman explains his hypothesis on the cause
of The Great Depression and the role the Federal Reserve played in it in
his book and documentary series "Free to Choose". An excerpt of his
hypothesis:"

""Why didn't this system prevent The Great Depression after 1929?
Because from 1929 to 1930 after the stock market crashed, the Federal
Reserve system allowed the quantity of money to decline slowly thereby
throttling the monetary structure...If the Federal Reserve had stepped
in, bought government securities on a large scale, provided the cash,
the depositors would have found that they could've got their money and
they would have stopped asking for it.. Instead, believe it or not, the
system stood idly by while banks crashed on all sides. ""

"This is also the current conventional wisdom on the matter, as both Ben
Bernanke and other economists such as the late John Kenneth
Galbraith--the latter being an ardent Keynesian--have upheld this
reasoning."

"The Federal Reserve, by design, is not controlled by the President or
the U.S. Treasury; it is primarily controlled and owned by its member
banks and the chairman of the Federal Reserve."

Your guru Hayek blamed the Great Depression on the inflationary boom
cycle of the 20's, which he thought made the Depression inevitable.

There you have it: 3 Republican administrations (Harding, Coolidge,
Hoover), a bubble market (unregulated stock market), no organized labor
or social welfare system and the greatest man-made catastrophe in
American peacetime. "Laissez-faire" boom/bust* and the little guy starves.

And this was Roosevelt's fault how? Not even your voodoo economists
would claim that.

Now we've got Iraq and the sub-prime mess. Bankers and Republicans,
what's not to like? It always happens when greed and corruption run the
show.

*Laissez-faire is just a euphemism for "business-friendly". What's good
for Halliburton is not good for America.

 

[Tom Sherman]

Peter Cole wrote:
> A Muzi wrote:
>>> still just me <[email protected]> may have said:
>>>> Let's see: massive recession with stagflation and credit markets
>>>> tumbling, $700b pointless war continuing, imported labor (direct and
>>>> indirect) eliminating most US based jobs, the Constitution and Bill of
>>>> Rights apparently no longer observed... no matter who we elect, at
>>>> least it can't get much worse.
>>
>> Werehatrack wrote:
>>> Au contraire. IMO, it can and it will, regardless of who wins. The
>>> real question is whether we will elect another Hoover who, oblivious
>>> to the concerns of the people whose plight he (or she) does not truly
>>> understand or actually care about, will do nothing effective to start
>>> making the significant changes that will be needed to build the base
>>> for a less wasteful, more responsible future. And make no mistake;
>>> digging out of the mess will take more than 8 years.
>>
>> Or another Roosevelt who can take a minor dip and make all-time
>> horrible suffering and destitution of it.
>> You'd expect more of Bernanke - he wrote on this specifically. But no.
>
> Yes, he did, He's a smart guy, and apparently the Great Depression is
> one of his favorite subjects, but he blamed the Federal Reserve, not the
> president:
>
> Bernanke from:
> http://foreignpolicy.com/story/cms.php?story_id=3272
>
> "A closer look reveals that the economic repercussions of a stock market
> crash depend less on the severity of the crash itself than on the
> response of economic policymakers, particularly central bankers. After
> the 1929 crash, the Federal Reserve mistakenly focused its policies on
> preserving the gold value of the dollar rather than on stabilizing the
> domestic economy. By raising interest rates to protect the dollar,
> policymakers contributed to soaring unemployment and severe price
> deflation. The U.S. central bank only compounded its mistake by failing
> to counter the collapse of the country’s banking system in the early
> 1930s; bank failures both intensified the monetary squeeze (since bank
> deposits were liquidated) and sparked a credit crunch that hurt
> consumers and small firms in particular. Without these policy blunders
> by the Federal Reserve, there is little reason to believe that the 1929
> crash would have been followed by more than a moderate dip in U.S.
> economic activity."
>
Mistakes and blunders by the Federal Reserve? I do not believe it for a
second. What happened was for a purpose, and a small group of the elite
profited very handsomely from the suffering of others, by being able to
buy assets for pennies on the dollar.

> Another important factor:
>
> "The Hawley-Smoot Tariff (or Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act) was signed into
> law on June 17, 1930, and raised U.S. tariffs on over 20,000 imported
> goods to record levels, and, in the opinion of most economists, worsened
> the Great Depression. Economists have now generally regarded this Tariff
> Act (i.e., tax increase on imported goods) as the greatest policy
> blunder in American economic history, coming as it did after the 1929-30
> recession and preventing the economy from a full, natural recovery which
> had already started by the Spring, 1930."
>
> "The act pioneered by Senator Reed Smoot, a Republican from Utah, and
> Representative Willis C. Hawley, a Republican from Oregon. President
> Herbert Hoover had asked Congress for a downward revision in rates, but
> Congress raised rates instead. While many economists urged a veto,
> Hoover signed the bill. Hoover had, during the 1928 campaign, pledged to
> help beleaguered farmers by, among other things, raising tariff levels
> on agricultural products."
>
> "Milton Friedman, leader of the Chicago School, argued that the Federal
> Reserve System did not cause the Great Depression, but made it worse by
> contracting the money supply at the very moment that markets needed
> liquidity. Since its entire existence was predicated on its mission to
> prevent events like the Great Depression, it had failed in what the 1913
> bill tried to enact.[58] Friedman explains his hypothesis on the cause
> of The Great Depression and the role the Federal Reserve played in it in
> his book and documentary series "Free to Choose". An excerpt of his
> hypothesis:"
>
The Federal Reserve and other similar banks were created to take control
of the economy from the elected representatives of the people (or other
political leadership) and put in the hands of a few hundred
fantastically wealthy people.

> ""Why didn't this system prevent The Great Depression after 1929?
> Because from 1929 to 1930 after the stock market crashed, the Federal
> Reserve system allowed the quantity of money to decline slowly thereby
> throttling the monetary structure...If the Federal Reserve had stepped
> in, bought government securities on a large scale, provided the cash,
> the depositors would have found that they could've got their money and
> they would have stopped asking for it.. Instead, believe it or not, the
> system stood idly by while banks crashed on all sides. ""
>
> "This is also the current conventional wisdom on the matter, as both Ben
> Bernanke and other economists such as the late John Kenneth
> Galbraith--the latter being an ardent Keynesian--have upheld this
> reasoning."
>
> "The Federal Reserve, by design, is not controlled by the President or
> the U.S. Treasury; it is primarily controlled and owned by its member
> banks and the chairman of the Federal Reserve."
>
Indeed. The last US President to challenge the undemocratic Federal
Reserve was Kennedy, and he died a violent death before completing his
term. Coincidence?

> Your guru Hayek blamed the Great Depression on the inflationary boom
> cycle of the 20's, which he thought made the Depression inevitable.
>
> There you have it: 3 Republican administrations (Harding, Coolidge,
> Hoover), a bubble market (unregulated stock market), no organized labor
> or social welfare system and the greatest man-made catastrophe in
> American peacetime. "Laissez-faire" boom/bust* and the little guy starves.
>
The system does not exist to serve the little guy - Alan Greenspan even
admitted as much.

> And this was Roosevelt's fault how? Not even your voodoo economists
> would claim that.
>
> Now we've got Iraq and the sub-prime mess. Bankers and Republicans,
> what's not to like? It always happens when greed and corruption run the
> show.
>
It almost make one wish for a Republican president, so they can deal
with the mess they created. Of course, we may well have two Republicans
running for office this year.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

 

[Tom Sherman]

Edward Dolan wrote:
> [...]
> Barak Hussein Obama is an Arab Muslim name. Some folks even get him confused
> with Osama Bin Laden! [...]
>
No that is silly, since the bin Laden family is friends with and
supports the Bush family.

For example, Osama's older half-brother Salem bin Laden was an investor
in Arbusto Energy, a company founded (with borrowed money) by George
Walker Bush.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

 

[datakoll]

BTW, I read therza O'Bama voter registration drive on in
Pennsyklvania. Claims 40,000 new voters so far. ALL liberals live down
in Philly, and the rest of the state is Klansville 'ceptin Pittsburgh
so called blue collar Union. I read blue collar union iza votin'
O'Bama.
registration closes March 28.
register near 90,000 and the state goes to O'Bama and that's all
folks.
Hit it Doc!!!

 

[Tom Sherman]

Edward Dolan wrote:
> "datakoll" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
> ALL TOP POSTERS ARE IDIOTS NOR DOES HE EVEN POST ANY OF THE MESSAGE TO WHICH
> HE IS RESPONDING!
>
Nonsense. gene "datakoll" daniels is a literary genius.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
“the bacteria people tuned in-as to bioengineering at the correct wave
Point” - gene daniels

 

[Tom Sherman]

Bill Z. wrote:
> "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> writes:
>
>> "Hank" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:4146936f-8373-46b5-b807-a13cb7aa2879@e31g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>
>>>> Not true. While in Indonesia, he went to two schools: one was a public
>> secular one, the other was Catholic. It is true that at the public
>> school, most of his classmates were Muslim, but it was not a Muslim
>> school.
>>
>> Is B. Hussein Obama then a Roman Catholic?
>>
>> What do you make of the following information?
>>
>> "Investigations have shown that Obama's father and stepfather were devout
>> Islamics. Both faithfully practiced their religion. <snip>
>
> What I'd make of it is that you are an idiot for even thinking it is
> credible enough to post, or a mindless troll if you know better.[...]
>
Mr. Ed the Grate a troll - say it ain't so Joe, er Bill.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

 

[Tom Sherman]

Edward Dolan wrote:
> [...] Yea, I think the sooner we humans
> get off the earth, the better it will be for all the other animals. Who
> knows, maybe even the dinosaurs will come back! [...]

The dinosaurs never died out. We just call the descendants of the
survivors birds.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

 

[A Muzi]

Tom Sherman wrote:
> It almost make one wish for a Republican president, so they can deal
> with the mess they created. Of course, we may well have two Republicans
> running for office this year.

Besides the 3 lefties of the 2 major parties, who did you have in mind?
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

 

[t]

On Tue, 04 Mar 2008 19:37:28 -0600, Tom Sherman
<[email protected]> wrote:

>[email protected] wrote:
>> A while back I read about a barley wine on this group. It inspired me
>> to try a couple, and I was hooked. New favorite fireside beverage.
>> So, I only thought it fair/fitting that I mention my newest discovery
>> here. Weyerbacher Blithering Idiot. I enjoyed it on tap over the
>> weekend at the Pepperland Cafe in Berwick, ME. Great place, if you're
>> even in the area go there. Seriously. Anyway, they had 2 barley
>> wines on tap, Blithering Idiot and Sierra Nevada Bigfoot. I've had
>> the bigfoot, and I like it, but I decided to try something new. I'm
>> so glad I did. Not as malty/hoppy as the Bigfoot, but oh so good.
>> Anyway, figured I'd throw it out there in case one of you comes across
>> it and wonders. It's got a firm recommendation from my camp. Oh, and
>> at 11% go easy, lest you become a blithering idiot.
>>
>Does barley wine qualify as beer?
>
>I will have to give the recommended beverages a try.

Google BJCP Style Guidelines and beer will never, ever be a yellow
fizzy alco pop beverage to you again.

Jim Wilson
G0712

 

[Tom Sherman]

Andrew Muzi wrote:
> Tom Sherman wrote:
>> It almost make one wish for a Republican president, so they can deal
>> with the mess they created. Of course, we may well have two
>> Republicans running for office this year.
>
> Besides the 3 lefties of the 2 major parties, who did you have in mind?
>
All three contending major party candidates have positions to the
political right of the right-wing European parties. Crony capitalism is
alive and well.

The only real conservative among all the candidates this year is Ron
Paul. All the rest of the Republicans (including $Hillary) are regressives.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

 

[A Muzi]

Tom Sherman wrote:
> All three contending major party candidates have positions to the
> political right of the right-wing European parties. Crony capitalism is
> alive and well.
> The only real conservative among all the candidates this year is Ron
> Paul. All the rest of the Republicans (including $Hillary) are regressives.

I've actually voted for him in a previous election.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

 

[Tom Sherman]

Andrew Muzi wrote:
> Tom Sherman wrote:
>> All three contending major party candidates have positions to the
>> political right of the right-wing European parties. Crony capitalism
>> is alive and well.
>> The only real conservative among all the candidates this year is Ron
>> Paul. All the rest of the Republicans (including $Hillary) are
>> regressives.
>
> I've actually voted for him in a previous election.

While I disagree with many of Ron Paul's policies, I can at least
respect him for being a true conservative, and not one of the tax cut
AND spend crony capitalist regressive radicals that have taken over the
Republican party and turned it into something that Barry Goldwater would
not recognize.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

 

[Zoot Katz]

On Thu, 06 Mar 2008 21:08:00 -0600, A Muzi <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Tom Sherman wrote:
>> All three contending major party candidates have positions to the
>> political right of the right-wing European parties. Crony capitalism is
>> alive and well.
>> The only real conservative among all the candidates this year is Ron
>> Paul. All the rest of the Republicans (including $Hillary) are regressives.
>
>I've actually voted for him in a previous election.

He's the first human being to run for the office since Jimmy Carter.
--
zk

 

[still just me]

On Thu, 06 Mar 2008 21:22:58 -0600, Tom Sherman
<[email protected]> wrote:

>>> The only real conservative among all the candidates this year is Ron
>>> Paul. All the rest of the Republicans (including $Hillary) are
>>> regressives.
>>
>> I've actually voted for him in a previous election.
>
>While I disagree with many of Ron Paul's policies, I can at least
>respect him for being a true conservative, and not one of the tax cut
>AND spend crony capitalist regressive radicals that have taken over the
>Republican party and turned it into something that Barry Goldwater would
>not recognize.

Gotta agree boys... the current neo-con crowd is there only to fill
it's own pockets. They have no conservative credentials whatsoever
with the exception of some pandering and grandstanding they do to
bring in votes.

 

[Jym Dyer]

=x= Could somebody please ensure the prompt resumption of
psychopharmaceutical prescription medication to the Order
of Perpetual Dipshittery in Minnesota?
<_Jym_>

 

[Peter Cole]

A Muzi wrote:
> Tom Sherman wrote:
>> It almost make one wish for a Republican president, so they can deal
>> with the mess they created. Of course, we may well have two
>> Republicans running for office this year.
>
> Besides the 3 lefties of the 2 major parties, who did you have in mind?

Congratulations, I think you've just right flanked Strom Thurmond.

 

[A Muzi]

still just me wrote:
> William Proxmire, famous for saying "a billion here, a billion there,
> first you know you're talking real money" - although he wasn't
> actually the guy who said it!

Everett Dirksen

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971