Re: OT - Beer

"Muslim Americans for Obama '08" are a swift boat splinter group

Arnold Shwarzeniggar is Governor of California

'Hank' is a front for the ANP

this is a bicycle discussion group

On Thu, 06 Mar 2008 13:02:14 GMT, still just me

may have said:

Let's see: massive recession with stagflation and credit markets
tumbling, $700b pointless war continuing, imported labor (direct and
indirect) eliminating most US based jobs, the Constitution and Bill of
Rights apparently no longer observed... no matter who we elect, at
least it can't get much worse.

Au contraire. IMO, it can and it will, regardless of who wins. The
real question is whether we will elect another Hoover who, oblivious
to the concerns of the people whose plight he (or she) does not truly
understand or actually care about, will do nothing effective to start
making the significant changes that will be needed to build the base
for a less wasteful, more responsible future. And make no mistake;
digging out of the mess will take more than 8 years.

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Edward Dolan said:

"Hank" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Not true. While in Indonesia, he went to two schools: one was a public

secular one, the other was Catholic. It is true that at the public
school, most of his classmates were Muslim, but it was not a Muslim
school.

Is B. Hussein Obama then a Roman Catholic?

What do you make of the following information?

"Investigations have shown that Obama's father and stepfather were devout
Islamics. Both faithfully practiced their religion. <snip>

What I'd make of it is that you are an idiot for even thinking it is
credible enough to post, or a mindless troll if you know better.

We have a presidential election coming up, and we really need to elect
a highly capable person to fix the mess made by the current
administration. Why don't you try to do the country a favor and
treat it as a serious matter and not resort to adolescent innuendo?

ORE ORE OOOOOOOOO

SHARPTON'S A SHOE IN AT JUSTICE

eeeyayayahahahaha

-snip gratuitous OT-

Tom Sherman said:

I think I may vote for gene "datakoll" daniels as a write-in candidate.

Gene writes with more coherence than the champions of either Party.
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indicted or impeached.

On Thu, 06 Mar 2008 15:35:10 GMT, [email hidden] (Bill Z.)

may have said:

Edward Dolan said:

"Hank" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>Not true. While in Indonesia, he went to two schools: one was a public

secular one, the other was Catholic. It is true that at the public
school, most of his classmates were Muslim, but it was not a Muslim
school.

Is B. Hussein Obama then a Roman Catholic?

What do you make of the following information?

"Investigations have shown that Obama's father and stepfather were devout
Islamics. Both faithfully practiced their religion. <snip>

What I'd make of it is that you are an idiot for even thinking it is
credible enough to post, or a mindless troll if you know better.

We have a presidential election coming up, and we really need to elect
a highly capable person to fix the mess made by the current
administration. Why don't you try to do the country a favor and
treat it as a serious matter and not resort to adolescent innuendo?

If I didn't have him plonked, I'd treat a rant about something by
Dolan as being a pretty good endorsement of whatever he was attacking.
I'm sure I am not alone in this.

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datakoll said:

indicted or impeached.

THE RIGHT IS CURRENTLY developing internet information but try this

http://books.google.com/books?id=2x6NeGzs0swC&pg=RA1-PA123&lpg=RA1-PA123&dq=indicted+negro+politicians&source=web&ots=Kl5fi4n3Pp&sig=JKI0L8e9_0NfErz08XQSscq8hpg&hl=en

Quoted message said:

Edward Dolan said:

I may sit this election out. All I know for sure is that the country is
doomed!

still just me said:

Let's see: massive recession with stagflation and credit markets
tumbling, $700b pointless war continuing, imported labor (direct and
indirect) eliminating most US based jobs, the Constitution and Bill of
Rights apparently no longer observed... no matter who we elect, at
least it can't get much worse.

Bernanke yesterday suggested banks mark mortgages to market. Where are
the adults???
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www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Quoted message said:

still just me may have said:

Let's see: massive recession with stagflation and credit markets
tumbling, $700b pointless war continuing, imported labor (direct and
indirect) eliminating most US based jobs, the Constitution and Bill of
Rights apparently no longer observed... no matter who we elect, at
least it can't get much worse.

Werehatrack said:

Au contraire. IMO, it can and it will, regardless of who wins. The
real question is whether we will elect another Hoover who, oblivious
to the concerns of the people whose plight he (or she) does not truly
understand or actually care about, will do nothing effective to start
making the significant changes that will be needed to build the base
for a less wasteful, more responsible future. And make no mistake;
digging out of the mess will take more than 8 years.

Or another Roosevelt who can take a minor dip and make all-time horrible
suffering and destitution of it.
You'd expect more of Bernanke - he wrote on this specifically. But no.
--
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www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Thu, 6 Mar 2008 08:21:02 -0800 (PST), datakoll <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

ORE ORE OOOOOOOOO

SHARPTON'S A SHOE IN AT JUSTICE

eeeyayayahahahaha

I was figuring on Sharpton for Sec of State. He's gonna [censored] other
countries off and cause damage to foreign relations for about the next
40 years - so figure it's just about the same as Bush.

On Thu, 06 Mar 2008 15:35:10 GMT, [email hidden] (Bill Z.)

Quoted message said:

What I'd make of it is that you are an idiot for even thinking it is
credible enough to post, or a mindless troll if you know better.

He's actually both!

Quoted message said:

We have a presidential election coming up, and we really need to elect
a highly capable person to fix the mess made by the current
administration. Why don't you try to do the country a favor and
treat it as a serious matter and not resort to adolescent innuendo?

It would probably just be better if he didn't vote.

datakoll said:

ORE ORE OOOOOOOOO
SHARPTON'S A SHOE IN AT JUSTICE
eeeyayayahahahaha

Can't if he's the V.P.
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www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Duuds!

Anyone catch Medium this week and the thinly veiled references to
McCain's affection for the long pig?

Soylent Green - it's the other other white meat! Or perhaps he
prefers dark? The 'swiftboating' in SC in 2000 sure seemed to suggest
it!

D'ohBoy

He's a radical muslim. Dont fall for the cover up

Hank said:

Edward Dolan said:

By the way, B. Hussein Obama had a Muslim father and went to a Muslim school
in Indonesia. This was of the Whahabi sect, the worst form of Islam. Letus
hope that my gal Hillary kicks his ass but good!

Not true. While in Indonesia, he went to two schools: one was a public
secular one, the other was Catholic. It is true that at the public
school, most of his classmates were Muslim, but it was not a Muslim
school.

Next, you'll be telling me he's Jewish. After all, the former Israeli
prime minister is named Ehud Barak.

Quoted message said:

He's a radical muslim. Dont fall for the cover up

Little Jimmy Buttpacker proves that it IS possible to match imbecilic style
with impertinent content.

LOL

Edward Dolan said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

"Investigations have shown that Obama's father and stepfather were devout
Islamics. Both faithfully practiced their religion. <snip>

What I'd make of it is that you are an idiot for even thinking it is
credible enough to post, or a mindless troll if you know better.

Just presenting a few facts for you and your ilk to mull over!

<snip>

Those aren't facts you posted but lies, which you continued in the rest
of your mindless rant.

<thread plonk - I've more important things to do right now than deal
with some complete moron like Dolan>

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A Muzi said:

Quoted message said:

still just me may have said:

Let's see: massive recession with stagflation and credit markets
tumbling, $700b pointless war continuing, imported labor (direct and
indirect) eliminating most US based jobs, the Constitution and Bill of
Rights apparently no longer observed... no matter who we elect, at
least it can't get much worse.

Werehatrack said:

Au contraire. IMO, it can and it will, regardless of who wins. The
real question is whether we will elect another Hoover who, oblivious
to the concerns of the people whose plight he (or she) does not truly
understand or actually care about, will do nothing effective to start
making the significant changes that will be needed to build the base
for a less wasteful, more responsible future. And make no mistake;
digging out of the mess will take more than 8 years.

Or another Roosevelt who can take a minor dip and make all-time horrible
suffering and destitution of it.
You'd expect more of Bernanke - he wrote on this specifically. But no.

Yes, he did, He's a smart guy, and apparently the Great Depression is
one of his favorite subjects, but he blamed the Federal Reserve, not the
president:

Bernanke from:
http://foreignpolicy.com/story/cms.php?story_id=3272

"A closer look reveals that the economic repercussions of a stock market
crash depend less on the severity of the crash itself than on the
response of economic policymakers, particularly central bankers. After
the 1929 crash, the Federal Reserve mistakenly focused its policies on
preserving the gold value of the dollar rather than on stabilizing the
domestic economy. By raising interest rates to protect the dollar,
policymakers contributed to soaring unemployment and severe price
deflation. The U.S. central bank only compounded its mistake by failing
to counter the collapse of the country’s banking system in the early
1930s; bank failures both intensified the monetary squeeze (since bank
deposits were liquidated) and sparked a credit crunch that hurt
consumers and small firms in particular. Without these policy blunders
by the Federal Reserve, there is little reason to believe that the 1929
crash would have been followed by more than a moderate dip in U.S.
economic activity."

Another important factor:

"The Hawley-Smoot Tariff (or Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act) was signed into
law on June 17, 1930, and raised U.S. tariffs on over 20,000 imported
goods to record levels, and, in the opinion of most economists, worsened
the Great Depression. Economists have now generally regarded this Tariff
Act (i.e., tax increase on imported goods) as the greatest policy
blunder in American economic history, coming as it did after the 1929-30
recession and preventing the economy from a full, natural recovery which
had already started by the Spring, 1930."

"The act pioneered by Senator Reed Smoot, a Republican from Utah, and
Representative Willis C. Hawley, a Republican from Oregon. President
Herbert Hoover had asked Congress for a downward revision in rates, but
Congress raised rates instead. While many economists urged a veto,
Hoover signed the bill. Hoover had, during the 1928 campaign, pledged to
help beleaguered farmers by, among other things, raising tariff levels
on agricultural products."

"Milton Friedman, leader of the Chicago School, argued that the Federal
Reserve System did not cause the Great Depression, but made it worse by
contracting the money supply at the very moment that markets needed
liquidity. Since its entire existence was predicated on its mission to
prevent events like the Great Depression, it had failed in what the 1913
bill tried to enact.[58] Friedman explains his hypothesis on the cause
of The Great Depression and the role the Federal Reserve played in it in
his book and documentary series "Free to Choose". An excerpt of his
hypothesis:"

""Why didn't this system prevent The Great Depression after 1929?
Because from 1929 to 1930 after the stock market crashed, the Federal
Reserve system allowed the quantity of money to decline slowly thereby
throttling the monetary structure...If the Federal Reserve had stepped
in, bought government securities on a large scale, provided the cash,
the depositors would have found that they could've got their money and
they would have stopped asking for it.. Instead, believe it or not, the
system stood idly by while banks crashed on all sides. ""

"This is also the current conventional wisdom on the matter, as both Ben
Bernanke and other economists such as the late John Kenneth
Galbraith--the latter being an ardent Keynesian--have upheld this
reasoning."

"The Federal Reserve, by design, is not controlled by the President or
the U.S. Treasury; it is primarily controlled and owned by its member
banks and the chairman of the Federal Reserve."

Your guru Hayek blamed the Great Depression on the inflationary boom
cycle of the 20's, which he thought made the Depression inevitable.

There you have it: 3 Republican administrations (Harding, Coolidge,
Hoover), a bubble market (unregulated stock market), no organized labor
or social welfare system and the greatest man-made catastrophe in
American peacetime. "Laissez-faire" boom/bust* and the little guy starves.

And this was Roosevelt's fault how? Not even your voodoo economists
would claim that.

Now we've got Iraq and the sub-prime mess. Bankers and Republicans,
what's not to like? It always happens when greed and corruption run the
show.

*Laissez-faire is just a euphemism for "business-friendly". What's good
for Halliburton is not good for America.

D'ohBoy said:

Duuds!

Anyone catch Medium this week and the thinly veiled references to
McCain's affection for the long pig?

Soylent Green - it's the other other white meat! Or perhaps he
prefers dark? The 'swiftboating' in SC in 2000 sure seemed to suggest
it!

D'ohBoy

WTF???..............Where's the link for this drivel????
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_`\(,_ | I no longer despair for the human race.
(_)/ (_) | ---H.G. Wells---

Peter Cole said:

A Muzi said:

Quoted message said:

still just me <[email hidden]> may have said:
> Let's see: massive recession with stagflation and credit markets
> tumbling, $700b pointless war continuing, imported labor (direct and
> indirect) eliminating most US based jobs, the Constitution and Bill of
> Rights apparently no longer observed... no matter who we elect, at
> least it can't get much worse.

Werehatrack said:

Au contraire. IMO, it can and it will, regardless of who wins. The
real question is whether we will elect another Hoover who, oblivious
to the concerns of the people whose plight he (or she) does not truly
understand or actually care about, will do nothing effective to start
making the significant changes that will be needed to build the base
for a less wasteful, more responsible future. And make no mistake;
digging out of the mess will take more than 8 years.

Or another Roosevelt who can take a minor dip and make all-time
horrible suffering and destitution of it.
You'd expect more of Bernanke - he wrote on this specifically. But no.

Yes, he did, He's a smart guy, and apparently the Great Depression is
one of his favorite subjects, but he blamed the Federal Reserve, not the
president:

Bernanke from:
http://foreignpolicy.com/story/cms.php?story_id=3272

"A closer look reveals that the economic repercussions of a stock market
crash depend less on the severity of the crash itself than on the
response of economic policymakers, particularly central bankers. After
the 1929 crash, the Federal Reserve mistakenly focused its policies on
preserving the gold value of the dollar rather than on stabilizing the
domestic economy. By raising interest rates to protect the dollar,
policymakers contributed to soaring unemployment and severe price
deflation. The U.S. central bank only compounded its mistake by failing
to counter the collapse of the country’s banking system in the early
1930s; bank failures both intensified the monetary squeeze (since bank
deposits were liquidated) and sparked a credit crunch that hurt
consumers and small firms in particular. Without these policy blunders
by the Federal Reserve, there is little reason to believe that the 1929
crash would have been followed by more than a moderate dip in U.S.
economic activity."

Mistakes and blunders by the Federal Reserve? I do not believe it for a
second. What happened was for a purpose, and a small group of the elite
profited very handsomely from the suffering of others, by being able to
buy assets for pennies on the dollar.

Quoted message said:

Another important factor:

"The Hawley-Smoot Tariff (or Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act) was signed into
law on June 17, 1930, and raised U.S. tariffs on over 20,000 imported
goods to record levels, and, in the opinion of most economists, worsened
the Great Depression. Economists have now generally regarded this Tariff
Act (i.e., tax increase on imported goods) as the greatest policy
blunder in American economic history, coming as it did after the 1929-30
recession and preventing the economy from a full, natural recovery which
had already started by the Spring, 1930."

"The act pioneered by Senator Reed Smoot, a Republican from Utah, and
Representative Willis C. Hawley, a Republican from Oregon. President
Herbert Hoover had asked Congress for a downward revision in rates, but
Congress raised rates instead. While many economists urged a veto,
Hoover signed the bill. Hoover had, during the 1928 campaign, pledged to
help beleaguered farmers by, among other things, raising tariff levels
on agricultural products."

"Milton Friedman, leader of the Chicago School, argued that the Federal
Reserve System did not cause the Great Depression, but made it worse by
contracting the money supply at the very moment that markets needed
liquidity. Since its entire existence was predicated on its mission to
prevent events like the Great Depression, it had failed in what the 1913
bill tried to enact.[58] Friedman explains his hypothesis on the cause
of The Great Depression and the role the Federal Reserve played in it in
his book and documentary series "Free to Choose". An excerpt of his
hypothesis:"

The Federal Reserve and other similar banks were created to take control
of the economy from the elected representatives of the people (or other
political leadership) and put in the hands of a few hundred
fantastically wealthy people.

Quoted message said:

""Why didn't this system prevent The Great Depression after 1929?
Because from 1929 to 1930 after the stock market crashed, the Federal
Reserve system allowed the quantity of money to decline slowly thereby
throttling the monetary structure...If the Federal Reserve had stepped
in, bought government securities on a large scale, provided the cash,
the depositors would have found that they could've got their money and
they would have stopped asking for it.. Instead, believe it or not, the
system stood idly by while banks crashed on all sides. ""

"This is also the current conventional wisdom on the matter, as both Ben
Bernanke and other economists such as the late John Kenneth
Galbraith--the latter being an ardent Keynesian--have upheld this
reasoning."

"The Federal Reserve, by design, is not controlled by the President or
the U.S. Treasury; it is primarily controlled and owned by its member
banks and the chairman of the Federal Reserve."

Indeed. The last US President to challenge the undemocratic Federal
Reserve was Kennedy, and he died a violent death before completing his
term. Coincidence?

Quoted message said:

Your guru Hayek blamed the Great Depression on the inflationary boom
cycle of the 20's, which he thought made the Depression inevitable.

There you have it: 3 Republican administrations (Harding, Coolidge,
Hoover), a bubble market (unregulated stock market), no organized labor
or social welfare system and the greatest man-made catastrophe in
American peacetime. "Laissez-faire" boom/bust* and the little guy starves.

The system does not exist to serve the little guy - Alan Greenspan even
admitted as much.

Quoted message said:

And this was Roosevelt's fault how? Not even your voodoo economists
would claim that.

Now we've got Iraq and the sub-prime mess. Bankers and Republicans,
what's not to like? It always happens when greed and corruption run the
show.

It almost make one wish for a Republican president, so they can deal
with the mess they created. Of course, we may well have two Republicans
running for office this year.

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The weather is here, wish you were beautiful