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  1. Poppy [censored], stomach shape is a secondary effect and down the list as to
    effect in the hormonal based feedback system that tells one that hunger is
    satisified. Someone who has had a stomach reduction proceedure finds a
    small size no problem at all if eating too many calories continues. The
    feeling of having enough food is mostly based on hormones and the better
    control over time during weight loss comes from that feedback system
    getting back into the normal range. The 2 lb diet is no majic, it
    constrains calorie intake, justlike any other diet. It only works
    assuming average types of food. 2 lbs of lard will not do, nor will 2 lbs
    of sugar. Use any method, all diets do, to limit calories.

    Quoted message said:

    Enter the 2 pound Diet.

    By slowly withdrawing from overconsumption at 1/2 pound per week, the body
    will adjust quite nicely. The stomach, much like a uterus after pregnancy,
    will begin to take on a less and less distended shape and will return to a
    more normal state. It will resist and not welcome any attempts to return to
    an overdistended state.

    If you find that you cannot make this simple adjustment to less eating then
    the 2 pound diet has pointed to other issues that you are having for it is
    not your physical body that creates the "urge" to eat, something else is
    doing so. More often than not, there is disorder in the upstairs kitchen,
    so to speak.

  2. Quoted message said:


    Poppy [censored], stomach shape is a secondary effect and down the list as to
    effect in the hormonal based feedback system that tells one that hunger is
    satisified. Someone who has had a stomach reduction proceedure finds a
    small size no problem at all if eating too many calories continues. The
    feeling of having enough food is mostly based on hormones and the better
    control over time during weight loss comes from that feedback system
    getting back into the normal range. The 2 lb diet is no majic, it
    constrains calorie intake, justlike any other diet. It only works
    assuming average types of food. 2 lbs of lard will not do, nor will 2 lbs
    of sugar. Use any method, all diets do, to limit calories.

    The 2PD Approach empowers folks by enlightening them about the truth
    concerning their being overweight.

    Such is the work being done here for Christ's glory
    (http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A).

    Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

    Andrew

    --
    Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Board-Certified Cardiologist
    http://www.heartmdphd.com/

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  3. "The 2 lb diet is no majic, it

    Quoted message said:

    constrains calorie intake, justlike any other diet. It only works
    assuming average types of food. 2 lbs of lard will not do, nor will 2


    lbs

    Quoted message said:

    of sugar. Use any method, all diets do, to limit calories.

    The 2PD Approach empowers folks by enlightening them about the truth
    concerning their being overweight."

    Poppy [censored], if they are losing weight using a constraint method based on
    weight of food consumed, it is because it contains less then the calories
    required during the loss period. There is no majic, any external method
    that constrains energy intake does the same. It can be by weight, by
    measured amount, by consumption time period and other such imposed
    constraints. What this information alone does not provide is the health
    and nutrition content of the food allowed in the constrain method. 2 lbs
    of eggs would both exceed the calories need for most people and would be
    a health hazard to boot. .

  4. Quoted message said:


    "The 2 lb diet is no majic, it

    Quoted message said:

    constrains calorie intake, justlike any other diet. It only works
    assuming average types of food. 2 lbs of lard will not do, nor will 2


    lbs

    Quoted message said:

    of sugar. Use any method, all diets do, to limit calories.

    The 2PD Approach empowers folks by enlightening them about the truth
    concerning their being overweight."

    Poppy [censored], if they are losing weight using a constraint method based on
    weight of food consumed, it is because it contains less then the calories
    required during the loss period. There is no majic, any external method
    that constrains energy intake does the same. It can be by weight, by
    measured amount, by consumption time period and other such imposed
    constraints. What this information alone does not provide is the health
    and nutrition content of the food allowed in the constrain method. 2 lbs
    of eggs would both exceed the calories need for most people and would be
    a health hazard to boot. .

    If the person was overweight from eating 4 lbs of eggs per day, s/he is
    still better off losing weight by reducing his/her intake to less than 2
    lbs.

    Bottomline: The reason for the person being overweight is the amount of
    eggs and not the eggs themselves.

    Hope the above information is enlightening.

    Such is the work being done here for Christ's glory
    (http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A).

    Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

    Andrew

    --
    Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Board-Certified Cardiologist
    http://www.heartmdphd.com/

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  5. Quoted message said:

    Poppy [censored], stomach shape is a secondary effect and down the list as to
    effect in the hormonal based feedback system that tells one that hunger is
    satisified. Someone who has had a stomach reduction proceedure finds a
    small size no problem at all if eating too many calories continues. The
    feeling of having enough food is mostly based on hormones and the better
    control over time during weight loss comes from that feedback system
    getting back into the normal range. The 2 lb diet is no majic, it
    constrains calorie intake, justlike any other diet. It only works
    assuming average types of food. 2 lbs of lard will not do, nor will 2 lbs
    of sugar. Use any method, all diets do, to limit calories.

    lol you're funny in a tragic sorta way.

  6. "If the person was overweight from eating 4 lbs of eggs per day, s/he is
    still better off losing weight by reducing his/her intake to less than 2
    lbs.

    Bottomline: The reason for the person being overweight is the amount of
    eggs and not the eggs themselves."

    Poppy [censored], this bit of word play deosn't get you out of the core problem
    of the "diet". You pose a strawman and confess the failure of the
    "diet",ie. that intake below 2 lbs is required, which means strict
    attention to calorie content is required and the rational for the "diet"
    dissappears. Weight, or amount or time as constraints still require
    attention to both calorie content and how well other health goals are met.
    When these requirements are met the "diet" is not different then most of
    other diets in practice.

  7. "lol you're funny in a tragic sorta way."

    Thanks, now back to science and not personality does it. Dear daring duo,
    should we use 2 lbs of eggs as our diet? The 2 lb diet markets itself as
    not having to think about anything but weight, or in other examples of
    weight or time. If calories must be considered in the 2 lbs eaten and if
    other health goals must also be calculated, then the 2 lb diet quickly
    looks more and more like the regular spread.

  8. Quoted message said:

    You pose a strawman and confess the failure of the
    "diet",ie. that intake below 2 lbs is required, which means strict
    attention to calorie content is required and the rational for the "diet"
    dissappears.

    Cals are not counted. Have you read the website?

    Quoted message said:

    When these requirements are met the "diet" is not different then most of
    other diets in practice.

    You haven't. Read it before you continue to make foolish statements.

  9. Quoted message said:


    "lol you're funny in a tragic sorta way."

    Thanks, now back to science and not personality does it. Dear daring duo,
    should we use 2 lbs of eggs as our diet? The 2 lb diet markets itself as
    not having to think about anything but weight, or in other examples of
    weight or time. If calories must be considered in the 2 lbs eaten and if
    other health goals must also be calculated, then the 2 lb diet quickly
    looks more and more like the regular spread.

    Already asked and answered.

    Such is the work being done here for Christ's glory
    (http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A).

    Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

    Andrew

    --
    Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Board-Certified Cardiologist
    http://www.heartmdphd.com/

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    Is this spam?
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  10. Quoted message said:


    "If the person was overweight from eating 4 lbs of eggs per day, s/he is
    still better off losing weight by reducing his/her intake to less than 2
    lbs.

    Bottomline: The reason for the person being overweight is the amount of
    eggs and not the eggs themselves."

    Poppy [censored], this bit of word play deosn't get you out of the core problem
    of the "diet". You pose a strawman and confess the failure of the
    "diet",ie. that intake below 2 lbs is required, which means strict
    attention to calorie content is required and the rational for the "diet"
    dissappears. Weight, or amount or time as constraints still require
    attention to both calorie content and how well other health goals are met.
    When these requirements are met the "diet" is not different then most of
    other diets in practice.

    No. The 2PD Approach has a 0% failure rate. Sorry.

    Hope the above information helps you.

    Such is the work being done here for Christ's glory
    (http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A).

    Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

    Andrew

    --
    Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Board-Certified Cardiologist
    http://www.heartmdphd.com/

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  11. "No. The 2PD Approach has a 0% failure rate. Sorry."

    Sorry that you are then ignoring the calorie and health and nutritional
    goals that should be set for any diet. As we learn more about it is just
    another in a class of diet plans but one which might not be in the best
    long term benefit for one using it. Locking someone in a room for x
    amount of time would have a 100 percent success rate also and equally
    ignore other important considerations for health and nutrition. I'm sure
    this was at first a cause for some excitement thinking a new approach had
    been found. As details are revealed it is clear this is not the case.

  12. "Already asked and answered."

    Then failed to be communicated successfully. Reasons offered are not by
    definition sufficient. Using the very details provided and reasonably
    inferred, this is no different then many diets if calorie content and
    health and nutrition are given proper consideration. If they are not,
    then it falls into the fad class of diets with questionable long term
    benefit, other considerations then mere weight lost considered. 2 lbs of
    eggs meets all the parameters of the diet and fails to either cause weight
    loss or meet health and nutrition goals.

  13. "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> claimed
    news:1103050995.9501c48f77ef8b3b3637aaed09422061@teranews...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    No. The 2PD Approach has a 0% failure rate. Sorry.

    The late Carl Sagan wisely noted that "extraordinary claims require
    extraordinary proofs". Asserting that your diet has a 0% failure rate is
    clearly an extraordinary claim.

    In the absence of peer-reviewed research, we're left with only your claims
    in this ng (and, all the others that you cross-post to). Your writings do
    not come close to proving your assertions (and, yes, I have looked at your
    web site and the FAQ).

    Other dietary approaches have been, and continue to be, studied by the
    scientific community. Until the 2PD is studied by real scientists doing
    real research, skepticism seems the reasonable attitude (particularly so
    given your reputation).

    GG

  14. "You haven't. Read it before you continue to make foolish statements."

    2 lbs of eggs, now you take it from there.

  15. Quoted message said:

    Dear daring duo,
    should we use 2 lbs of eggs as our diet?

    Google "Ounce Of Common Sense"

  16. GaryG said:

    Other dietary approaches have been, and continue to be, studied by the
    scientific community. Until the 2PD is studied by real scientists doing
    real research, skepticism seems the reasonable attitude

    So your a reseacrh reading specialist too? Have all the educational
    requirements, practical applications, etc?

    I did not know that about you.

  17. GaryG said:


    "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> claimed
    news:1103050995.9501c48f77ef8b3b3637aaed09422061@teranews...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    No. The 2PD Approach has a 0% failure rate. Sorry.

    The late Carl Sagan wisely noted that "extraordinary claims require
    extraordinary proofs". Asserting that your diet has a 0% failure rate is
    clearly an extraordinary claim.

    Not for those who are able to discern the truth.

    Such is the work being done here for Christ's glory
    (http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A).

    Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

    Andrew

    --
    Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Board-Certified Cardiologist
    http://www.heartmdphd.com/

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  18. Quoted message said:


    "Already asked and answered."

    Then failed to be communicated successfully. Reasons offered are not by
    definition sufficient. Using the very details provided and reasonably
    inferred, this is no different then many diets if calorie content and
    health and nutrition are given proper consideration. If they are not,
    then it falls into the fad class of diets with questionable long term
    benefit, other considerations then mere weight lost considered. 2 lbs of
    eggs meets all the parameters of the diet and fails to either cause weight
    loss or meet health and nutrition goals.

    Your judgment.

    The truth is something different.

    Such is the work being done here for Christ's glory
    (http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A).

    Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

    Andrew

    --
    Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Board-Certified Cardiologist
    http://www.heartmdphd.com/

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  19. Quoted message said:

    "No. The 2PD Approach has a 0% failure rate. Sorry."

    Sorry that you are then ignoring the calorie and health and nutritional
    goals that should be set for any diet. As we learn more about it is just
    another in a class of diet plans but one which might not be in the best
    long term benefit for one using it. Locking someone in a room for x
    amount of time would have a 100 percent success rate also and equally
    ignore other important considerations for health and nutrition. I'm sure
    this was at first a cause for some excitement thinking a new approach had
    been found. As details are revealed it is clear this is not the case.

    Not for those who are able to discern the truth.

    Such is the work being done here for Christ's glory
    (http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A).

    Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

    Andrew

    --
    Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Board-Certified Cardiologist
    http://www.heartmdphd.com/

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  20. "Not for those who are able to discern the truth."

    Thank you for conceding so gracefully, I know it's been a hard row for
    you. With some retooling the diet might have some potential. I would be
    happy to point you in some intresting directions on this, just ask.

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