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  1. Oats must be steamed (cooked at least a bit) in order to roll them.
    Quick-cooking oats are steamed more than 'old-fashioned'.
    Cracked or steel-cut oats are uncooked.

    Oats are an unusual grain in two respects. First, they are
    sufficiently complete nutritionally that one can live off
    nothing else for several months. This was vital to know in the
    days of crossing the Atlantic in the days of sail, when bad
    weather could easily add a month to the travel time. In the
    early 1800's, my Wallace and Watson ancestors came from Liverpool
    to Canada without a single fatality, at a time when official
    fatality rates were 20% for emigrants and actual rates at
    least double that. With the advice of the British government
    of the time, they filled one of their bunks with oatmeal to
    be sure of having food to last any voyage. (Family records
    simply used the word 'oatmeal', so I don't know whether it
    was cracked or rolled.)

    The second unusual fact about oats is that we can digest it
    uncooked, as noted by others - just soak it overnight. This
    was also vital during stormy weather when sailing ship
    passengers would be locked below decks under battened
    hatches, with no fires possible.

    I confess to cooking my oats - bring them to the boil the
    night before, set them aside on the stove, then have them
    for breakfast. If you are heading out for a full morning's
    work outdoors, oats are great food.

  2. "John Sankey" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Oats are an unusual grain in two respects. First, they are
    sufficiently complete nutritionally that one can live off
    nothing else for several months. This was vital to know in the
    days of crossing the Atlantic in the days of sail, when bad
    weather could easily add a month to the travel time. In the
    early 1800's, my Wallace and Watson ancestors came from Liverpool
    to Canada without a single fatality, at a time when official
    fatality rates were 20% for emigrants and actual rates at
    least double that. With the advice of the British government
    of the time, they filled one of their bunks with oatmeal to
    be sure of having food to last any voyage. (Family records
    simply used the word 'oatmeal', so I don't know whether it
    was cracked or rolled.)

    Good info Sankey . Similarity in India they depended
    on rice flakes during lengthy travels . They did soak in milk
    buttermilk or simply water .

    Kam

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  3. "John Sankey" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Oats are an unusual grain in two respects. First, they are
    sufficiently complete nutritionally that one can live off
    nothing else for several months. This was vital to know in the
    days of crossing the Atlantic in the days of sail, when bad
    weather could easily add a month to the travel time. In the
    early 1800's, my Wallace and Watson ancestors came from Liverpool
    to Canada without a single fatality, at a time when official
    fatality rates were 20% for emigrants and actual rates at
    least double that. With the advice of the British government
    of the time, they filled one of their bunks with oatmeal to
    be sure of having food to last any voyage. (Family records
    simply used the word 'oatmeal', so I don't know whether it
    was cracked or rolled.)

    Good info Sankey . Similarity in India they depended
    on rice flakes during lengthy travels . They did soak in milk
    buttermilk or simply water .

    Kam

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  4. Do supermarkets carry this "cracked or steel-cut" oats or do you have to get
    it from the health food store usually?

    I quit eating oats sometime ago because I didn't see where it contained that
    much nutrition on the label although I always liked them cooked with milk. I
    was getting Quaker old fashioned oatmeal. When I want cereal now, I usally
    eat Total with dried whole dates cut up and a handful of fresh chopped
    walnuts (I know that's a no-no according to Vision Purple)

    Stacy

    "John Sankey" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    |
    | Oats must be steamed (cooked at least a bit) in order to roll them.
    | Quick-cooking oats are steamed more than 'old-fashioned'.
    | Cracked or steel-cut oats are uncooked.
    |
    | Oats are an unusual grain in two respects. First, they are
    | sufficiently complete nutritionally that one can live off
    | nothing else for several months. This was vital to know in the
    | days of crossing the Atlantic in the days of sail, when bad
    | weather could easily add a month to the travel time. In the
    | early 1800's, my Wallace and Watson ancestors came from Liverpool
    | to Canada without a single fatality, at a time when official
    | fatality rates were 20% for emigrants and actual rates at
    | least double that. With the advice of the British government
    | of the time, they filled one of their bunks with oatmeal to
    | be sure of having food to last any voyage. (Family records
    | simply used the word 'oatmeal', so I don't know whether it
    | was cracked or rolled.)
    |
    | The second unusual fact about oats is that we can digest it
    | uncooked, as noted by others - just soak it overnight. This
    | was also vital during stormy weather when sailing ship
    | passengers would be locked below decks under battened
    | hatches, with no fires possible.
    |
    | I confess to cooking my oats - bring them to the boil the
    | night before, set them aside on the stove, then have them
    | for breakfast. If you are heading out for a full morning's
    | work outdoors, oats are great food.

  5. Do supermarkets carry this "cracked or steel-cut" oats or do you have to get
    it from the health food store usually?

    I quit eating oats sometime ago because I didn't see where it contained that
    much nutrition on the label although I always liked them cooked with milk. I
    was getting Quaker old fashioned oatmeal. When I want cereal now, I usally
    eat Total with dried whole dates cut up and a handful of fresh chopped
    walnuts (I know that's a no-no according to Vision Purple)

    Stacy

    "John Sankey" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    |
    | Oats must be steamed (cooked at least a bit) in order to roll them.
    | Quick-cooking oats are steamed more than 'old-fashioned'.
    | Cracked or steel-cut oats are uncooked.
    |
    | Oats are an unusual grain in two respects. First, they are
    | sufficiently complete nutritionally that one can live off
    | nothing else for several months. This was vital to know in the
    | days of crossing the Atlantic in the days of sail, when bad
    | weather could easily add a month to the travel time. In the
    | early 1800's, my Wallace and Watson ancestors came from Liverpool
    | to Canada without a single fatality, at a time when official
    | fatality rates were 20% for emigrants and actual rates at
    | least double that. With the advice of the British government
    | of the time, they filled one of their bunks with oatmeal to
    | be sure of having food to last any voyage. (Family records
    | simply used the word 'oatmeal', so I don't know whether it
    | was cracked or rolled.)
    |
    | The second unusual fact about oats is that we can digest it
    | uncooked, as noted by others - just soak it overnight. This
    | was also vital during stormy weather when sailing ship
    | passengers would be locked below decks under battened
    | hatches, with no fires possible.
    |
    | I confess to cooking my oats - bring them to the boil the
    | night before, set them aside on the stove, then have them
    | for breakfast. If you are heading out for a full morning's
    | work outdoors, oats are great food.

  6. Stacy said:

    Do supermarkets carry this "cracked or steel-cut" oats or do you have to get
    it from the health food store usually?

    Quoted message said:

    I quit eating oats sometime ago because I didn't see where it contained that
    much nutrition on the label although I always liked them cooked with milk. I
    was getting Quaker old fashioned oatmeal. When I want cereal now, I usally
    eat Total with dried whole dates cut up and a handful of fresh chopped
    walnuts (I know that's a no-no according to Vision Purple)

    Stacy,

    Don't get wrapped up with Total's big nutrition numbers. While Total
    is at least made with whole grain, it also has added salt, and I think
    some sort/amount of sweetener. And the big numbers are only cheapie
    vitamins sprayed on, so they can command big/bigger prices. Bottom
    line: Plain ol' Oats with some fruit and nuts tossed on top is a MUCH
    better deal, both financially and nutritionally.

    Patrick

  7. On 9 Aug 2005 20:09:45 -0700, [email hidden] wrote in
    <news:[email hidden]> on
    sci.med.nutrition :

    Quoted message said:

    Don't get wrapped up with Total's big nutrition numbers. While Total
    is at least made with whole grain, it also has added salt, and I think
    some sort/amount of sweetener. And the big numbers are only cheapie
    vitamins sprayed on, so they can command big/bigger prices.

    I don't know about this Total thing, but I would also check if there is any
    trans fats in it or lots of added sugar, as it happens in many breakfast
    cereals.
    Here is a list of cereals sorted by presence of trans fats and/or added
    sugar:
    http://www.drmirkin.com/nutrition/N180.htm

  8. "Enrico C" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    On 9 Aug 2005 20:09:45 -0700, [email hidden] wrote in
    <news:[email hidden]> on
    sci.med.nutrition :

    Quoted message said:

    Don't get wrapped up with Total's big nutrition numbers. While Total
    is at least made with whole grain, it also has added salt, and I think
    some sort/amount of sweetener. And the big numbers are only cheapie
    vitamins sprayed on, so they can command big/bigger prices.

    I don't know about this Total thing, but I would also check if there is
    any
    trans fats in it or lots of added sugar, as it happens in many breakfast
    cereals.
    Here is a list of cereals sorted by presence of trans fats and/or added
    sugar:
    http://www.drmirkin.com/nutrition/N180.htm

    Another thing that bothers me about this manufactured
    food is the very high calorie density of cereals. Fiber
    One has the lowest calorie density (about 2 as I recall).
    Most cererals have a calorie density around 4. Such
    junk fills you out without filling you up. I have a strange
    hobby: when I go to the Super Market and see someone
    really obese I sneakily follow them around to see what
    they put in their baskets. It's often non-fat crackers and
    breakfast cereal: a lot of high calorie density high-carb
    low nutrition density [censored].

  9. Total Whole Grain wheat flakes:

    Total Calories with milk: 140, without milk: 100.

    0 g ALL fat (including trans fat)

    5 g sugar (big deal)

    Without milk it provides:

    Contains 100 % of recommended daily allowance of following:

    Vitamin C,
    Vitamin E,
    Vitamin B6,
    Vitamin B12,
    Folic Acid,
    Thiamin,
    Riboflavin,
    Niacin,
    Pantothenic Acid,
    calcium,
    iron,
    Zinc;

    Also contains 10% of:
    A & D

    8%
    Phospherous

    6%
    magnesium

    4%
    copper

    For someone who doesn't take supplements, this is a pretty good start. Much
    more in there than in a bowl of oats, whether cracked or whole or rolled or
    whatever....

    Adding some dried fruit and nuts makes it even more nutritious.

    (Not everything manufactured and not 100% natural is necessarily bad.) I
    lost a lot of weight when I stopped eating eggs and breakfast meat each
    morning and started eating Total. And if I forgot my supplements, I still
    had a good start.

    Stacy

    "Enrico C" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    | On 9 Aug 2005 20:09:45 -0700, [email hidden] wrote in
    | <news:[email hidden]> on
    | sci.med.nutrition :
    |
    | > Don't get wrapped up with Total's big nutrition numbers. While Total
    | > is at least made with whole grain, it also has added salt, and I think
    | > some sort/amount of sweetener. And the big numbers are only cheapie
    | > vitamins sprayed on, so they can command big/bigger prices.
    |
    | I don't know about this Total thing, but I would also check if there is
    any
    | trans fats in it or lots of added sugar, as it happens in many breakfast
    | cereals.
    | Here is a list of cereals sorted by presence of trans fats and/or added
    | sugar:
    | http://www.drmirkin.com/nutrition/N180.htm

  10. Yumm.
    I watch with envy as my husband eats his pancackes smothered in butter
    and maple syrup some mornings. He can eat as much as he likes and
    anything he likes and does not gain weight. I on the other hand have to
    constantly watch what I eat. NOT FAIR!

    Quoted message said:

    Other days it'll be
    a couple eggs, homemade whole grain waffles or pancakes with pure maple
    syrup. And, occasionally, it'll be whole-grain coffee cake or cinamin
    rolls. Variety is good!

    Patrick

  11. Ann said:

    Yumm.
    I watch with envy as my husband eats his pancackes smothered in butter
    and maple syrup some mornings. He can eat as much as he likes and
    anything he likes and does not gain weight. I on the other hand have to
    constantly watch what I eat. NOT FAIR!

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Other days it'll be
    a couple eggs, homemade whole grain waffles or pancakes with pure maple
    syrup. And, occasionally, it'll be whole-grain coffee cake or cinamin
    rolls. Variety is good!

    Ann,

    Men in general tend to have more muscle mass. And muscle burns
    calories. To try to even things up with your husband, and to get a few
    more bites of whole-grain pancakes and real maple syrup, if you're not
    doing it now, I suggest starting a weight lifting program. You don't
    have to lift very heavy, and being a woman you don't have to worry
    about bulking up. Just a 3-4 days a week for about 30-45 minutes per
    session will do it. Give it a shot!

    Patrick

  12. Actually, I put on muscle quite quickly and easily when I work out and
    I am now. He's quite slim. Wiry I think is the term. He has muscles and
    a lot of strenght but cannot build them as easily as I do. He's so
    slim! I guess mine is due in part to genetics and a life time of
    ballet/aerobics, etc. I've heard muscles have memory and even if I let
    myself go a while and get fat, when I start back, they tend to build up
    very quickly.

    He on the other hand has always complained that he lifted weights his
    entire life but could never get the muscle build he wanted. Toned,
    strong, but always wiry.

    But after all that work, I would be afraid to try pancakes.

    Where do you get whole-grain pancakes? Are they less fattening really?

    Quoted message said:


    Men in general tend to have more muscle mass. And muscle burns
    calories. To try to even things up with your husband, and to get a few
    more bites of whole-grain pancakes and real maple syrup, if you're not
    doing it now, I suggest starting a weight lifting program. You don't
    have to lift very heavy, and being a woman you don't have to worry
    about bulking up. Just a 3-4 days a week for about 30-45 minutes per
    session will do it. Give it a shot!

    Patrick

  13. Ann said:

    But after all that work, I would be afraid to try pancakes.

    Quoted message said:

    Where do you get whole-grain pancakes? Are they less fattening really?

    You can buy dry mixes (just add oil, eggs, milk) in some health food
    stores. But we just make our own. It's not hard. You can check
    websites like AllRecipes.com or you can just buy a bag of whole wheat
    flour and use it in place of all purpose flour in any recipe.

    Fattening is only about calories. However, whole grain products
    contain more fiber and fiber fills you up quicker and keeps you fuller
    longer.

    Patrick

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