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Re: "Nothing we can do" is untrue

Kim · 2004-04-01T00:11:56+00:00

"Toby Joe" wrote in message news:[email hidden]... "Kim" wrote: Who doesn't know? Someone under a rock with no TV or PC? There is plenty that people can do, there are many people who know that, and many who act on it. Then tell us - WHY aren't they doing it? Could it be Africa has exhausted everyone with their endless problems? What makes you think we're all rich and obese? Even the so-called "poor" of our nations, other than a very few, are wealthy beyond dreams compared with many in Africa. Well, we're very fortunate then - tell this to the thousands stuffed into the homeless shelters in all our cities. Tell this to the old couple who had their heat cut off because they're 3 months behind in their utility bills....... There was reference this week to a "pandemic" of obesity, This doesn't mean the obese person is RICH. All it means is they eat the wrong foods and don't get enough exercise. Many poor Americans are very obese through ignorance and perhaps laziness. in a Medscape article from which I posted an excerpt elsewhere on mha. It is not a "pandemic", it is an obscenity, I agree. They need to be taught how to eat properly and motivated to exercise more. How do we accomplish these two things? particularly in context of some of the responses to the HIV/AIDS in Africa question. What's the connection between poor food choices, laziness and AIDS running wild in Africa? Slimming people down and teaching them portion control will not change the sexual behavior of Africans, nor buy enough drugs to treat all the victims there. -- Kim Colonics to clean out your stuffed up @$$ Of all the toxic goodies you do not pass Globs of gunk and the mucus you store Parasites, flukes and worms galore So take a colonic so you can pass All these nasties from your paracitized @$$..... The most amazing BS artists there are: http://members.rogers.com/kirkkolas/index.html http://www.geocities.com/naturopathicmafia/Quackery.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Kim
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1 April 2004, 00:11 UTC #1

"Toby Joe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:
"Kim" <[email hidden]> wrote:
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Who doesn't know? Someone under a rock with no TV or PC?
There is plenty that people can do, there are many people who know that,
and many who act on it.
Then tell us - WHY aren't they doing it? Could it be Africa has exhausted
everyone with their endless problems?
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
What makes you think we're all rich and obese?
Quoted message said:
Even the so-called "poor" of our nations, other than a very few, are
wealthy beyond dreams compared with many in Africa.
Well, we're very fortunate then - tell this to the thousands stuffed into
the homeless shelters in all our cities. Tell this to the old couple who
had their heat cut off because they're 3 months behind in their utility
bills.......
Quoted message said:
There was reference this week to a "pandemic" of obesity,
This doesn't mean the obese person is RICH. All it means is they eat the
wrong foods and don't get enough exercise. Many poor Americans are very
obese through ignorance and perhaps laziness.
in a Medscape
Quoted message said:
article from which I posted an excerpt elsewhere on mha. It is not a
"pandemic", it is an obscenity,
I agree. They need to be taught how to eat properly and motivated to
exercise more. How do we accomplish these two things?
particularly in context of some of the
Quoted message said:
responses to the HIV/AIDS in Africa question.
What's the connection between poor food choices, laziness and AIDS running
wild in Africa? Slimming people down and teaching them portion control will
not change the sexual behavior of Africans, nor buy enough drugs to treat
all the victims there.
--
Kim
Colonics to clean out your stuffed up @$$
Of all the toxic goodies you do not pass
Globs of gunk and the mucus you store
Parasites, flukes and worms galore
So take a colonic so you can pass
All these nasties from your paracitized @$$.....
The most amazing BS artists there are:
http://members.rogers.com/kirkkolas/index.html
http://www.geocities.com/naturopathicmafia/Quackery.html
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Toby Joe
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1 April 2004, 01:20 UTC #2

Kim said:
"Toby Joe" <[email hidden]> wrote
What's the connection between poor food choices, laziness and AIDS
running wild in Africa?
In many cases, simply eating LESS of whatever they are eating and donating
the money saved, would have the potential to save someone else's life and
to extend their own, as well as reducing the toll on the Health System
caused by obesity related diseases.
--
http://costofwar.com/
www.unicef.org/sowc02/g31.htm

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W_B
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1 April 2004, 02:20 UTC #3

Toby Joe said:
Kim said:
"Toby Joe" <[email hidden]> wrote
What's the connection between poor food choices, laziness and AIDS
running wild in Africa?
In many cases, simply eating LESS of whatever they are eating and donating
the money saved, would have the potential to save someone else's life and
to extend their own, as well as reducing the toll on the Health System
caused by obesity related diseases.
The virus *is* callously indifferent to who is infected.
There is no current cure or vaccine.
The disease is spread by human behaviour.
Until one of those factors changes dramatically
the disease will continue to spread.
--
W_B
Take out the G'RBAGE
[email hidden]

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Toby Joe
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1 April 2004, 02:53 UTC #4

Quoted message said:
Toby Joe said:
Kim said:
"Toby Joe" <[email hidden]> wrote
What's the connection between poor food choices, laziness and AIDS
running wild in Africa?
In many cases, simply eating LESS of whatever they are eating and
donating the money saved, would have the potential to save someone
else's life and to extend their own, as well as reducing the toll on the
Health System caused by obesity related diseases.
The virus *is* callously indifferent to who is infected.
There is no current cure or vaccine.
The disease is spread by human behaviour.
That you don't give a damn is your own business.
Your attempt to cover the disparities in life situation which allow the
virus to proliferate there, and failure to mention the more virulent strain
of the virus to which southern Africans have been subjected, earns my
contempt.
Your blaming the victims disgusts me.
Quoted message said:
Until one of those factors changes dramatically
the disease will continue to spread.
The change that is required is a change in human consciousness.
--
http://costofwar.com/
www.unicef.org/sowc02/g31.htm

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Kim
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1 April 2004, 03:47 UTC #5

"Toby Joe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
Quoted message said:
Kim said:
"Toby Joe" <[email hidden]> wrote
What's the connection between poor food choices, laziness and AIDS
running wild in Africa?
In many cases, simply eating LESS of whatever they are eating and donating
the money saved, would have the potential to save someone else's life and
to extend their own, as well as reducing the toll on the Health System
caused by obesity related diseases.

=====================
Changing the behavior of the people in the advanced nations is as hard as
changing the behavior of people in Africa. No one wants to CHANGE even if
it's for their own good. As for the money - it keeps coming back to helping
your own first. We have plenty of our own in need right here.
--
Kim
Colonics to clean out your stuffed up @$$
Of all the toxic goodies you do not pass
Globs of gunk and the mucus you store
Parasites, flukes and worms galore
So take a colonic so you can pass
All these nasties from your paracitized @$$.....
The most amazing BS artists there are:
http://members.rogers.com/kirkkolas/index.html
http://www.geocities.com/naturopathicmafia/Quackery.html
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Kim
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1 April 2004, 04:01 UTC #6

"Toby Joe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
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Your attempt to cover the disparities in life situation which allow the
virus to proliferate there,
You don't seem to understand that it's NOT OUR FAULT this disease is
spreading in Africa! IT'S NOT OUT FAULT. Unless they're willing to change
their behavior nothing there will change. Why should we spend billions in
aid until they are willing to change their behavior? That the men there
beat the [censored] out of women who want them to use condoms hardly makes anyone
feel "sorry" for them. And the men there admit they have sex with any
number of women besides their wives. So because they want unprotected sex
WE should pay out of our own pockets?
and failure to mention the more virulent strain
Quoted message said:
of the virus to which southern Africans have been subjected, earns my
contempt.
It earns my contempt that they're not doing MORE for themselves. Why not
allow them to try and handle the problem on their own? Not all of Africa is
remote bush where everyone is penniless. Perhaps they'll realize they have
to take responsibility for their own actions and health. Why should I send
them MONEY when I have to walk past homeless people right here in town
because they can't live on the minimum wage? There are people here living
in tents and boxes under the Bridge.
Quoted message said:
Your blaming the victims disgusts me.
Disease disgusts me. Female genital mutilation disgusts me, cheating
husbands disgust me, diseased hookers along their truck routes disgusts me
as does the men who use them, the refusal to wear condoms disgusts me as
does the beating of women by husbands - and most of all the rape of little
girls disgusts me!
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Until one of those factors changes dramatically
the disease will continue to spread.
Quoted message said:
The change that is required is a change in human consciousness.
Yes,... THEIRS, not ours. We have our own problems right here which YOU
refuse to acknowledge.
--
Kim
Colonics to clean out your stuffed up @$$
Of all the toxic goodies you do not pass
Globs of gunk and the mucus you store
Parasites, flukes and worms galore
So take a colonic so you can pass
All these nasties from your paracitized @$$.....
The most amazing BS artists there are:
http://members.rogers.com/kirkkolas/index.html
http://www.geocities.com/naturopathicmafia/Quackery.html
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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W_B
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1 April 2004, 19:00 UTC #7

Toby Joe said:
Quoted message said:
Toby Joe said:
"Kim" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> "Toby Joe" <[email hidden]> wrote
>
> What's the connection between poor food choices, laziness and AIDS
> running wild in Africa?
In many cases, simply eating LESS of whatever they are eating and
donating the money saved, would have the potential to save someone
else's life and to extend their own, as well as reducing the toll on the
Health System caused by obesity related diseases.
The virus *is* callously indifferent to who is infected.
There is no current cure or vaccine.
The disease is spread by human behaviour.
That you don't give a damn is your own business.
Didn't say that.
Just stating the facts.
Quoted message said:

Your attempt to cover the disparities in life situation which allow the
virus to proliferate there, and failure to mention the more virulent strain
of the virus to which southern Africans have been subjected, earns my
contempt.
Reference for your statement that S.African HIV strain is more virulent please.
As for your contempt, I have no comment.
Quoted message said:

Your blaming the victims disgusts me.

Disease is an equal opportunity offender.
Didn't blame victims.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Until one of those factors changes dramatically
the disease will continue to spread.
The change that is required is a change in human consciousness.
Changing "human consciousness" does not cure disease.
Without a drastic change in either a cure, vaccine, or human behaviour
the disease will continue to spread unabated.
--
W_B
Take out the G'RBAGE
[email hidden]

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Anth
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5 April 2004, 12:12 UTC #8

"Kim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
Quoted message said:

"Toby Joe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
Quoted message said:

Your attempt to cover the disparities in life situation which allow the
virus to proliferate there,
You don't seem to understand that it's NOT OUR FAULT this disease is
spreading in Africa! IT'S NOT OUT FAULT. Unless they're willing to

change
Quoted message said:
their behavior nothing there will change. Why should we spend billions in
aid until they are willing to change their behavior? That the men there
beat the [censored] out of women who want them to use condoms hardly makes

anyone
Quoted message said:
feel "sorry" for them. And the men there admit they have sex with any
number of women besides their wives. So because they want unprotected sex
WE should pay out of our own pockets?
and failure to mention the more virulent strain
Quoted message said:
of the virus to which southern Africans have been subjected, earns my
contempt.
It earns my contempt that they're not doing MORE for themselves. Why not
allow them to try and handle the problem on their own? Not all of Africa

is
Quoted message said:
remote bush where everyone is penniless. Perhaps they'll realize they

have
Quoted message said:
to take responsibility for their own actions and health. Why should I

send
Quoted message said:
them MONEY when I have to walk past homeless people right here in town
because they can't live on the minimum wage? There are people here

living
Quoted message said:
in tents and boxes under the Bridge.
Quoted message said:
Your blaming the victims disgusts me.
Disease disgusts me. Female genital mutilation disgusts me, cheating
husbands disgust me, diseased hookers along their truck routes disgusts me
as does the men who use them, the refusal to wear condoms disgusts me as
does the beating of women by husbands - and most of all the rape of little
girls disgusts me!
Disease disgusts me. Genital mutilation disgusts me, cheating people
disgust me, the refusal to wear condoms disgusts me as does the beating of
people by other people - and most of
all the rape of little girls children me! Charities that take most of the
money disgust me.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Until one of those factors changes dramatically
the disease will continue to spread.
Quoted message said:
The change that is required is a change in human consciousness.
It's not their fault, why blame the innocent children/people?.
Quoted message said:
Yes,... THEIRS, not ours. We have our own problems right here which YOU
refuse to acknowledge.
We cause most of their problems.
Quoted message said:
--
Kim
Colonics to clean out your stuffed up @$$
Of all the toxic goodies you do not pass
Globs of gunk and the mucus you store
Parasites, flukes and worms galore
So take a colonic so you can pass
All these nasties from your paracitized @$$.....
The most amazing BS artists there are:
http://members.rogers.com/kirkkolas/index.html
http://www.geocities.com/naturopathicmafia/Quackery.html
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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