Re: noseless saddle

the post datak on 8 is another example of abysmell tech writing-I went
to the store and didn't buy what i went to...
tilting the nose down lengthens the top tube caws
a. you get to sit at the saddles stern
b. caws the thighs no longer press against the saddle
c. caws the nose is down.
thighs against saddle decreases blood flow, prevents climbing or
accelerating force when seated, increases skin breakage and infection

the saddle is lapplicable then-
having distorted the pelvis thru weight lifting
then allowed gluteal area to fatten
the thighs...
BUTT NOW!! you can spread your fat cheeks on the spreader saddle and
where do your fat thighs go?
mid air dude!!
KIM the country is FAT!
this info has sumpthin to do with the NYT placement

Per (PeteCresswell):

Quoted message said:

Ping me in the new year
and if there's any rideable weather I should have the saddle and a reaction by
then.

Well, I got one - saddle and reaction.

First off, don't even *think* about using one of these things for mountain
biking. It's too wide to let you quickly shift your butt behind the saddle
and if you manage to do that somehow anyway, you're not getting back on it.
Face plant city...

Having discovered that, I put it on my utility bike for a few weeks. Don't
have anywhere near the "100 miles or more to determine if the saddle can work
for you....", but now it's hanging on my garage wall - underneath three other
noseless saddles that don't work for me.

I'm reluctant to say anything bad about this saddle besides that it wasn't doing
anything for Yours Truly.

The guy who conceptualized/designed/manufactured/marketed this product has
obviously put a great deal of intelligence, effort, and (probably) hard-earned
cash into the venture.

It's clearly much, *much* more sophisticated than those other three noseless
saddles hanging on my garage wall.

Also, the maker offers a 90-day trial period - so somebody could try it out at
no risk other than return postage.

Me? I'm keeping it - if only to add to my collection... maybe I'll even come
back to it sometime when things are slow.
--
PeteCresswell

In article <[email hidden]>, PeteCresswell

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Per (PeteCresswell):

Quoted message said:

Ping me in the new year
and if there's any rideable weather I should have the saddle and a reaction
by
then.

Well, I got one - saddle and reaction.

This is the saddle?
http://www.bycycleinc.com/pages/features.html

Quoted message said:

First off, don't even *think* about using one of these things for mountain
biking. It's too wide to let you quickly shift your butt behind the saddle
and if you manage to do that somehow anyway, you're not getting back on it.
Face plant city...

Having discovered that, I put it on my utility bike for a few weeks. Don't
have anywhere near the "100 miles or more to determine if the saddle can work
for you....", but now it's hanging on my garage wall - underneath three other
noseless saddles that don't work for me.

Could you ride no hands with this saddle? Supposedly noseless saddles
make this very difficult.

Quoted message said:

I'm reluctant to say anything bad about this saddle besides that it wasn't
doing
anything for Yours Truly.

I'm curious. Prior to riding this saddle, what did you anticipate its
benefits to be over a traditional saddle with a cutout? Is not the
chief advantage of such a design that it exerts no pressure on the
perineum. With such a wide variety of saddles sporting wedges and
cutouts, I should think that one need not resort to cutting the nose
and spiting the saddle, so to speak.

Quoted message said:

The guy who conceptualized/designed/manufactured/marketed this product has
obviously put a great deal of intelligence, effort, and (probably) hard-earned
cash into the venture.

Intelligence and effort has a history of being squandered on
ill-conceived ventures. That's not to say that it is in this case
though...time will tell.

Quoted message said:

It's clearly much, *much* more sophisticated than those other three noseless
saddles hanging on my garage wall.

<snip>

Sounds like you've a Louvre of bicycle saddles in your garage.

Luke

Per Luke:

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Quoted message said:

Per (PeteCresswell):
Well, I got one - saddle and reaction.

This is the saddle?
http://www.bycycleinc.com/pages/features.html

That's the one.

Quoted message said:

Could you ride no hands with this saddle? Supposedly noseless saddles
make this very difficult.

I'm such a klutz that I'm afraid to ride no hands even with my regular
saddle....But I can say that unless you have a pretty high top tube (I don't),
there's no thigh control. OTOH, I've heard people who know say (among them a
bike cop) that with time you get used to it and control is not an issue.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I'm reluctant to say anything bad about this saddle besides that it wasn't
doing> anything for Yours Truly.

I'm curious. Prior to riding this saddle, what did you anticipate its
benefits to be over a traditional saddle with a cutout? Is not the
chief advantage of such a design that it exerts no pressure on the
perineum.

My hopes were different. I've got an extremely-broad butt (about 5" C-C for my
sit bones as measured from the dents left on a sheet of styrofoam and the dents
in my Brooks B17s. The saddle does, indeed support my sit bones; but the rest
of it doesn't suite me.

I think perinial pressure is a red herring. Yes, riders get perinial pressure
if they ride saddles with padding - the ITs sink into the padding, leaving the
other padding to press where it shouldn't press. Also, I can visualize
somebody even on a hard saddle leaning way aero and/or the saddle tilted upwards
enough so that there's a problem. But I don't and it isn't...

I find that a firm saddle supports the sit bones - keeping the rest of me from
undue pressure on the rest of the saddle. "Undue" because I think some
pressure is beneficial - supporting some of that soft tissue instead of trying
to pop it like a pimple.

My real issue is width. The B-17 at 170 mm is just a little narrow.
Effectively much wider than plastic saddles of the same width because 100% of a
Brooks saddle's width is usable. Look underneath, for instance, a WTB Speed-V
and you'll see what I mean. It's about 5 inches wide, but the Speed-V is
designed for somebody whose sit bones are between 2 and 3.25" center-to-center.
OTOH, "comfort" saddles are either too wide - so that the thighs take a beating
on every downstroke and/or too padded.

Brooks' wider saddles - at 210 mm are a little wide albeit rideable for me. I
think I'm really a 190 kind of guy. I'm currently looking into how to make a
B-66 or B-72 into a solid 2-rail saddle.

Why a given model of popular saddle doesn't come in 10 mm increments from 150 to
200 or even 220 is still a mystery to me. In the context of people spending
$250 for a pair of sunglasses and/or heaven-knows-how-much for
custom-foam-fittings on ski boots, I'd think there would be a niche for a line
of semi-custom-albeit-expensive saddles.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

The guy who conceptualized/designed/manufactured/marketed this product has
obviously put a great deal of intelligence, effort, and (probably) hard-earned
cash into the venture.

Intelligence and effort has a history of being squandered on
ill-conceived ventures. That's not to say that it is in this case
though...time will tell.

Quoted message said:

It's clearly much, *much* more sophisticated than those other three noseless
saddles hanging on my garage wall.

Quoted message said:

Sounds like you've a Louvre of bicycle saddles in your garage.

As P.T. Barnum supposedly said: "There's a sucker born every minute"
--
PeteCresswell