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  1. [email hidden] (Ilena) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    http://www.biomedcentral.com/news/20031210/06

    EXCERPT:
    The Los Angeles Times on Sunday (December 7) reported that several
    high-level NIH scientists and officials had received more than $2.5
    million in fees and stock options from drug companies for consulting
    outside of their government work over the past 10 years.

    Interesting comment....

    Quoted message said:

    Arthur L. Caplan, director of the University of Pennsylvania's Center
    for Bioethics, said he was surprised that this type of outside
    consulting was even permitted by the federal government. "It's a big
    problem. If you work for the federal or a state government and are
    making decisions about funding for key government expenditures, you
    don't want to be seen as being beholden to or being able to be
    influenced by outside funding arrangements," he told The Scientist.

    "If you are going to distribute money from grants and if you are going
    to be turned to for independent evidence about different drugs or
    research ideas, which is what NIH's role is, then they've got to be a
    lot more careful about generating conflicts of interest," he said.

    "He writes a regular column on bioethics for MSNBC.com. He is a
    frequent guest and commentator on National Public Radio, Nightline,
    CNN, MSNBC, Fox, CBS, the New York Times, Washington Post,
    Philadelphia Inquirer and many other media outlets."

    http://www.bioethics.upenn.edu/faculty/index.php?profile=1

    pot, kettle, black...this guy gets PAID by the media for STORIES that
    SELL newspapers.......

    rick

  2. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: NIH to launch ethics review
    From: [email hidden] (Rick)
    Date: 12/11/2003 1:45 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    [email hidden] (Ilena) wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    http://www.biomedcentral.com/news/20031210/06

    EXCERPT:
    The Los Angeles Times on Sunday (December 7) reported that several
    high-level NIH scientists and officials had received more than $2.5
    million in fees and stock options from drug companies for consulting
    outside of their government work over the past 10 years.

    Interesting comment....

    Or fact....

    Quoted message said:

    Arthur L. Caplan,

    Ooops, the part you snipped:

    Stephen I. Katz, director of the National Institute of Arthritis and
    Musculoskeletal and Skin Diseases (NIAMS), collected between $476,369 and
    $616,365 during the past decade in fees from drugmaker Schering AG and six
    other companies, the Times reported. During this time, NIAMS conducted clinical
    trials involving one of the company's drugs and pledged $1.7 million in small
    business research grants to another. Five other present and former senior NIH
    officials reportedly received up to $2.2 million in company fees and stock
    options during the time period.

    Janet Austin, Katz's spokeswoman, did not respond to a request for comment
    yesterday. But Katz and other officials told the Los Angeles Times that NIH
    officials had approved their consulting agreements in advance and that they had
    recused themselves from any decision making involving the companies.

    Quoted message said:

    Arthur L. Caplan, director of the University of Pennsylvania's Center

    Quoted message said:

    for Bioethics, said he was surprised that this type of outside
    consulting was even permitted by the federal government. "It's a big
    problem. If you work for the federal or a state government and are
    making decisions about funding for key government expenditures, you
    don't want to be seen as being beholden to or being able to be
    influenced by outside funding arrangements," he told The Scientist.

    "If you are going to distribute money from grants and if you are going
    to be turned to for independent evidence about different drugs or
    research ideas, which is what NIH's role is, then they've got to be a
    lot more careful about generating conflicts of interest," he said.

    "He writes a regular column on bioethics for MSNBC.com. He is a
    frequent guest and commentator on National Public Radio, Nightline,
    CNN, MSNBC, Fox, CBS, the New York Times, Washington Post,
    Philadelphia Inquirer and many other media outlets."

    http://www.bioethics.upenn.edu/faculty/index.php?profile=1

    pot, kettle, black...this guy gets PAID by the media for STORIES that
    SELL newspapers.......

    rick

    Now for the rest of the article:

    On Monday (December 8), Rep. Billy Tauzin (R-La.), chairman of the House Energy
    and Commerce Committee, and Rep. James Greenwood (R-Pa.), chairman of the
    Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations, asked Zerhouni to supply by
    January 8, 2004, all documents relating to the payments reported by the Times.

    “The receipt of outside payments, even though approved, raises concerns about
    whether the integrity of NIH clinical research has been affected and whether
    the honor system used by NIH to enforce recusals signed by NIH scientists and
    other conflict of interest rules has been violated,” the congressmen wrote.

    The House investigation is part of an ongoing ethics probe begun earlier this
    year. In June, the committee announced it was investigating Richard D.
    Klausner, former director of the National Cancer Institute (NCI), and other
    current and former senior NIH officials for accepting “lecture awards” and
    other cash gifts from universities and research institutions that receive NCI
    and NIH research grants. Klausner and other officials have denied any
    wrongdoing.

    In November, the committee announced it was seeking to determine whether
    Klausner steered a $40 million contract to Harvard University during the time
    he was a candidate to become the school's president. Klausner, who is currently
    director of the Global Health Program at the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation
    in Seattle, told The Scientist at the time that the committee's allegations
    were “bizarre” and “baseless.”

    Burklow yesterday said it is important that NIH scientists “stay involved in
    the science and help communities beyond NIH to share their information broadly.
    At the same time, we recognize that there must be stringent standards and
    transparent policies for managing potential conflicts of interest,” he said.

    “In addition, we must do everything possible to avoid even the perception of
    a conflict because the appearance can be as important as the legal
    technicalities,” Burklow added.

  3. (Jan) said:

    Janet Austin, Katz's spokeswoman, did not respond to a request for comment
    yesterday. But Katz and other officials told the Los Angeles Times that NIH
    officials had approved their consulting agreements in advance and that they had
    recused themselves from any decision making involving the companies.

    Hmm. So it wasn't a secret and they didn't have any influence anyway.
    Good to see that the checks and balances were working.

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  4. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: NIH to launch ethics review
    From: Peter Bowditch [email hidden]
    Date: 12/11/2003 4:11 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    (Jan) said:

    Janet Austin, Katz's spokeswoman, did not respond to a request for comment
    yesterday. But Katz and other officials told the Los Angeles Times that NIH
    officials had approved their consulting agreements in advance and that they


    had

    Quoted message said:

    recused themselves from any decision making involving the companies.

    LOLOLOL.

    You snipped and didn't mention it.

    Open mouth insert foot.

    Quoted message said:

    Hmm. So it wasn't a secret a

    Yeah everyone knew it, that's the reason for a review.

    They were so open about being dishonest and all.

    Stephen I. Katz, director of the National Institute of Arthritis and
    Musculoskeletal and Skin Diseases (NIAMS), collected between $476,369
    and $616,365 during the past decade in fees from drugmaker Schering AG
    and six other companies, the Times reported. During this time, NIAMS
    conducted clinical trials involving one of the company's drugs and
    pledged $1.7 million in small business research grants to another.
    Five other present and former senior NIH officials reportedly received
    up to $2.2 million in company fees and stock options during the time
    period.

    No secrets there.

    The receipt of outside payments, even though approved, raises
    concerns about whether the integrity of NIH clinical research has been
    affected and whether the honor system used by NIH to enforce recusals
    signed by NIH scientists and other conflict of interest rules has been
    violated," the congressmen wrote.

    Hmm. Violated. Integrity?!?!

    On Monday (December 8), Rep. Billy Tauzin (R-La.), chairman of the
    House Energy and Commerce Committee, and Rep. James Greenwood (R-Pa.),
    chairman of the Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations, asked
    Zerhouni to supply by January 8, 2004, all documents relating to the
    payments reported by the Times.

    What?!?! No documnets were secret!!

    he House investigation is part of an ongoing ethics probe begun
    earlier this year. In June, the committee announced it was
    investigating Richard D. Klausner, former director of the National
    Cancer Institute (NCI), and other current and former senior NIH
    officials for accepting "lecture awards" and other cash gifts from
    universities and research institutions that receive NCI and NIH
    research grants. Klausner and other officials have denied any
    wrongdoing.

    LOLOLOL. No wrongdoing.

    Quoted message said:

    Good to see that the checks and balances were working.

    Righto.

    In the real world, it means they got caught.

    Unlike your world, where there are no checks or balances. Why bother?? Keep
    repeating lies, after all who gives a damn??

    Jan

  5. "Peter Bowditch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    (Jan) said:

    Janet Austin, Katz's spokeswoman, did not respond to a request for


    comment

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    yesterday. But Katz and other officials told the Los Angeles Times that


    NIH

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    officials had approved their consulting agreements in advance and that


    they had

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    recused themselves from any decision making involving the companies.

    Hmm. So it wasn't a secret and they didn't have any influence anyway.
    Good to see that the checks and balances were working.

    Jan "thinks" "recused" means "accused."

  6. Well this story is SURE to sell....hope they can reveal truth. I for one,
    look forward to it. What goes around, comes around.
    "Marilyn"

    "Rick" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    [email hidden] (Ilena) wrote in message


    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    http://www.biomedcentral.com/news/20031210/06

    EXCERPT:
    The Los Angeles Times on Sunday (December 7) reported that several
    high-level NIH scientists and officials had received more than $2.5
    million in fees and stock options from drug companies for consulting
    outside of their government work over the past 10 years.

    Interesting comment....

    Quoted message said:

    Arthur L. Caplan, director of the University of Pennsylvania's Center
    for Bioethics, said he was surprised that this type of outside
    consulting was even permitted by the federal government. "It's a big
    problem. If you work for the federal or a state government and are
    making decisions about funding for key government expenditures, you
    don't want to be seen as being beholden to or being able to be
    influenced by outside funding arrangements," he told The Scientist.

    "If you are going to distribute money from grants and if you are going
    to be turned to for independent evidence about different drugs or
    research ideas, which is what NIH's role is, then they've got to be a
    lot more careful about generating conflicts of interest," he said.

    "He writes a regular column on bioethics for MSNBC.com. He is a
    frequent guest and commentator on National Public Radio, Nightline,
    CNN, MSNBC, Fox, CBS, the New York Times, Washington Post,
    Philadelphia Inquirer and many other media outlets."

    http://www.bioethics.upenn.edu/faculty/index.php?profile=1

    pot, kettle, black...this guy gets PAID by the media for STORIES that
    SELL newspapers.......

    rick

  7. "Marilyn" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Rick" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    [email hidden] (Ilena) wrote in message


    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    http://www.biomedcentral.com/news/20031210/06

    EXCERPT:
    The Los Angeles Times on Sunday (December 7) reported that several
    high-level NIH scientists and officials had received more than $2.5
    million in fees and stock options from drug companies for consulting
    outside of their government work over the past 10 years.

    Interesting comment....

    Quoted message said:

    Arthur L. Caplan, director of the University of Pennsylvania's Center
    for Bioethics, said he was surprised that this type of outside
    consulting was even permitted by the federal government. "It's a big
    problem. If you work for the federal or a state government and are
    making decisions about funding for key government expenditures, you
    don't want to be seen as being beholden to or being able to be
    influenced by outside funding arrangements," he told The Scientist.

    "If you are going to distribute money from grants and if you are going
    to be turned to for independent evidence about different drugs or
    research ideas, which is what NIH's role is, then they've got to be a
    lot more careful about generating conflicts of interest," he said.

    "He writes a regular column on bioethics for MSNBC.com. He is a
    frequent guest and commentator on National Public Radio, Nightline,
    CNN, MSNBC, Fox, CBS, the New York Times, Washington Post,
    Philadelphia Inquirer and many other media outlets."

    http://www.bioethics.upenn.edu/faculty/index.php?profile=1

    pot, kettle, black...this guy gets PAID by the media for STORIES that
    SELL newspapers.......

    rick

    Quoted message said:

    Well this story is SURE to sell....hope they can reveal truth. I for one,
    look forward to it. What goes around, comes around.
    "Marilyn"

    Everything in the article was a matter of public record. All the parties
    involved had pre-approval and, if where requried, they recused themselves,
    so there was no influence.

    If you remove the ability of these people to get an outside income, and
    expect them to live ont a government salary withtheir training, educationa
    and experience, you are expecting to have the biggest dopes making these
    policy decisions, as they will leave for greener pastures.

  8. "Marciosos3 Probertiosos3" <Will Ketcher> quacked:

    Quoted message said:

    Everything in the article was a matter of public record.

    Oh really ... please share with us all where this was a matter of public record.

    Stephen I. Katz, director of the National Institute of Arthritis and
    Musculoskeletal and Skin Diseases (NIAMS), collected between $476,369
    and $616,365 during the past decade in fees from drugmaker Schering AG
    and six other companies, the Times reported.

  9. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: NIH to launch ethics review
    From: [email hidden] (Ilena)
    Date: 12/12/2003 3:17 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    "Marciosos3 Probertiosos3" <Will Ketcher> quacked:

    Quoted message said:

    Everything in the article was a matter of public record.

    Oh really ... please share with us all where this was a matter of public
    record.

    He can't, he made it up. Poor Marla.

    Peter B has also told us how the checks and balances are working.

    It appears someone looked the other way.

    Oh well their kind doesn't gve a damn who lies.

    A perfect description of an orgey.

    Jan

    Quoted message said:

    Stephen I. Katz, director of the National Institute of Arthritis and
    Musculoskeletal and Skin Diseases (NIAMS), collected between $476,369
    and $616,365 during the past decade in fees from drugmaker Schering AG
    and six other companies, the Times reported.

  10. "Marciosos3 Probertiosos3" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

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    "Marilyn" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

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    "Rick" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    [email hidden] (Ilena) wrote in message


    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    > http://www.biomedcentral.com/news/20031210/06
    >
    > EXCERPT:
    > The Los Angeles Times on Sunday (December 7) reported that several
    > high-level NIH scientists and officials had received more than $2.5
    > million in fees and stock options from drug companies for consulting
    > outside of their government work over the past 10 years.
    >

    Interesting comment....

    > Arthur L. Caplan, director of the University of Pennsylvania's


    Center

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    > for Bioethics, said he was surprised that this type of outside
    > consulting was even permitted by the federal government. "It's a big
    > problem. If you work for the federal or a state government and are
    > making decisions about funding for key government expenditures, you
    > don't want to be seen as being beholden to or being able to be
    > influenced by outside funding arrangements," he told The Scientist.
    >
    > "If you are going to distribute money from grants and if you are


    going

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    > to be turned to for independent evidence about different drugs or
    > research ideas, which is what NIH's role is, then they've got to be


    a

    Quoted message said:
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    > lot more careful about generating conflicts of interest," he said.

    "He writes a regular column on bioethics for MSNBC.com. He is a
    frequent guest and commentator on National Public Radio, Nightline,
    CNN, MSNBC, Fox, CBS, the New York Times, Washington Post,
    Philadelphia Inquirer and many other media outlets."

    http://www.bioethics.upenn.edu/faculty/index.php?profile=1

    pot, kettle, black...this guy gets PAID by the media for STORIES that
    SELL newspapers.......

    rick

    Quoted message said:

    Well this story is SURE to sell....hope they can reveal truth. I for


    one,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    look forward to it. What goes around, comes around.
    "Marilyn"

    Everything in the article was a matter of public record. All the parties
    involved had pre-approval and, if where requried, they recused themselves,
    so there was no influence.

    This thread was started with the posting of the following URL:

    http://www.biomedcentral.com/news/20031210/06

    In the article:

    ?Zerhouni will also order an "immediate review" of every outside consulting
    relationship that NIH employees have established during the past 5 years "to
    confirm that all rules and regulations are being followed and that the
    activities are in the best interest of the public," Burklow said."

    Now, for the comprehension challenged.....

    This paragraph clearly states that the NIH has rules and regulations
    pertaining to its employees having outside consulting contracts. Thus, the
    employees must submit their proposed contracts to the NIH for review and
    approval.

    Thse contracts are subjectg to requests for disclosure under the FOIA (how
    do you think the Times got their hands on them????) and, thus, are a matter
    of public record. All one need do is ask for them.

    It is that simple.

    Janet Austin, Katz's spokeswoman, did not respond to a request for comment
    yesterday. But Katz and other officials told the Los Angeles Times that NIH
    officials had approved their consulting agreements in advance and that they
    had recused themselves from any decision making involving the companies.

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