Re: New Hour Record

Good job, Pete!

Nice use of panning in the photos to show the speed, Tom.

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Congrats!!! Purple phaze looks like a lot of fun.

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congrats man thats awsome

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David_Stone said:

*It looks like you have a small chain running to a tiny axle just
below the regular spot for the Coker's axle. Or is that just my
imagination?*

Here is a link to a close-up of the gearing system.

http://gallery.unicyclist.com/albuw44/IMG_2027

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jagur said:

*thats what i thought to and sware i read the rules somwhere. a great
ride yeah, but i dont think Guiness will accept it.

breaking records has to be controled with standards so its the person
breaking the record, not the technology or new equipment.

the UCI went through this debate in the mid 90's with their hour
record. *

Fortunately the 1 hour record, 100 mile record and 24 hour record are
not locked in that old rule restricting racing to a 24 inch wheel and
125 mm cranks. The previous 1 hour record recorded by Guinness was on a
28" uni. The current 100 mile record was done on a custom 42 inch
rickshaw wheel uni. The 24 hour record was done on a Coker.

The 100 meter record is restricted to the 24 inch wheel and 125 mm
cranks. And that record is about maxed out for that given
configuration.

The current 1 hour record can go faster, and should go faster. But
someone has to step up and do it. It's still very much the rider and
not the magic of technology. The geared uni gives you a larger
effective wheel diameter, but the rider still has to ride it and it
still balances like a unicycle and is actually harder to ride than a
standard unicycle.

I'm curious to see what kinds of speeds are possible on a unicycle in
the 1 hour style time trials. Unicycles can go faster and a 1 hour time
trial will push that limit higher. People just gotta do it.

There are restrictions that Guinness has before they'll recognize the
record. Pete and Ken can tell you more. It has to be done on a closed
loop course that has been carefully measured. It has to be timed and
observed. Pete started from a standing start (no flying start).

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The only restriction on Guinness unicycle records have been one human
powered wheel. If you don't like it (jagur), go make an accredited
attempt of your own! But please don't run down my effort...you didn't
give Ken L. any [censored] about his wheel two weeks ago.

Staying on the soapbox here, I also believe that the IUF ought to get
their act together and keep all reasonable unicycling records, not just
the sprints, but the 10K, the hour, the 100 mile, and the 12 and 24 hour
records. Then (and only then) can a governing body impose whatever
restrictions they want (Guinness is not, and should not be, our
governing body). But, the IUF should keep in mind that the idea here is
speed, and shouldn't limit competition with undue restrictions like
crank lengths. Heck, isn't wheel size itself enough of a restriction
already? We need to bring the sporting aspect of unicycling into the
21st century!

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unisk8r said:

* If you don't like it (jagur), go make an accredited attempt of your
own! But please don't run down my effort...you didn't give Ken L. any
[censored] about his wheel two weeks ago. *

give me a break? i wasnt running down your effort.

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unisk8r said:

*Staying on the soapbox here, I also believe that the IUF ought to get
their act together and keep all reasonable unicycling records, not
just the sprints, but the 10K, the hour, the 100 mile, and the 12 and
24 hour records. Then (and only then) can a governing body impose
whatever restrictions they want (Guinness is not, and should not be,
our governing body). *

I'd agree. This same debate was had some years ago in the juggling
community. There was frustration that Guinness decisions around what
categories would be published for world records was haphazard, and
generally very narrow compared to the progress being made in the sport
(i.e. Guinness would only be interested in most objects juggled, versus
looking at things like total number of catches with varying numbers of
objects. On the flip side, the IJA (Juggling's equivalent of IUF) did
not have any formal system established for establishing records.
Finally, a small group of very serious (and respected) jugglers
established a governing committee, categories for records, criteria to
document/establish a record attempt, etc.

With the growth in unicycling and the advances being made not just in
speed and distance but also jumping and droping height, etc., maybe it's
time to look the same direction, either within the confines of the IUF,
or outside it if that org isn't willing to step up.

Here's a link to the juggling records site for anyone interested:
http://www.juggling.org/records/

Final comment: as a witness to Pete's record today, I would say that
while the geared unicycle was definitely part of the equation, the
record was absolutely a combination of both the person and the
technology. That unicycle is VERY difficult to ride, and he kept an
amazing pace with no breaks, no water, no crotch rest, no nothing for an
hour. And maybe most amazingly, no falls until after he was well past
the record distance.

Way to go Pete!

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I figured out how to compress my 12MB vid down to 1 MB. It is on page
two of Tom B's gallery.

The quality is decreased but you can get a real good idea of the
cadence. It is deceiving when you're used seeing high cadence to go
14-15mph.

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unisk8r said:

IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT (JAGUR), GO MAKE AN ACCREDITED ATTEMPT OF YOUR
OWN! BUT PLEASE DON'T RUN DOWN MY EFFORT...

Have to agree with Jagur here. He didn't 'run down' your effort any
more than I did or anyone else did. He was just pointing out that
Guiness has requirements for their records. The Guiness folks are hard
to pin down, so I'm not sure what the requirements are, either.

Some points I'd like to make:

1. You have built an amazing machine. As you noted, the Guiness folks
and the IUF need to agree and to make some changes. Right now, both
are a bit out of touch with changes in our little world o'
unicycles.

2. Your effort extends beyond creating the machine: You rode the damn
thing, and pretty fast, and without falling! That is great. But I'm
not sure it makes sense to submit it to the GBofR when it's already
been 'broken' many times. There are probably at least 5 riders who've
passed the 16-miles-in-an-hour mark (I can think of me, my brother,
and Christian Hoverath and would guess that several TCUC folks have
already done so). It's sort of like a person taking credit for
something just because he was the first to take credit for it (rather
than the first to do it).

I should note that I was certainly not the first person to ride a
Coker fast for an hour or any length of time, and I'm not claiming to
be. I'm not upset that someone else will get credit for a record for
speed-Cokering. The only thing I've ever done first with unicycling is
to coin 'UPD' -- and I'm glad you didn't suffer as a result of your
UPD, Pete -- that could have been nasty.

I felt the same about Lars's 24-hour riding record. It was totally
breakable by many people. Ken trained for it and was able to smash it
easily (by quite a few miles). Lars did his DURING a huge and amazing
ride and didn't do it on a track. So I am not sure why Lars didn't
just satisfy himself with the knowledge that he'd done this great
thing. After posting his news to us, he got a lot of praise and thumbs
up, and that's all I think I'd want. If the IUF acknowledged his
record, that's the pinnacle of acknowledgement. But doing it by the
standards of Guiness and taking the time to submit it just right and
getting all the i's dotted for the Guiness folks -- well, it just
wasn't worth it for that record, is my opinion. I hope this makes
sense and doesn't come off as an attack.

Bottom line: Accrediting does not make the achievement any 'better.' I
don't think we need to be talking about this as a 'record' just
because it's going to be submitted to Guiness! It was a nice
achievement that demonstrated an even nicer one (namely, the speed and
potential of this beautifully engineered machine).

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unisk8r said:

*The only restriction on Guinness unicycle records have been one human
powered wheel. If you don't like it (jagur), go make an accredited
attempt of your own! But please don't run down my effort...you didn't
give Ken L. any [censored] about his wheel two weeks ago.

*

Nice work with the record, maybe you can work on the chip.

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David_Stone said:

* Bottom line: Accrediting does not make the achievement any 'better.'
I don't think we need to be talking about this as a 'record' just
because it's going to be submitted to Guiness! It was a nice
achievement that demonstrated an even nicer one (namely, the speed and
potential of this beautifully engineered machine). *

Pete didn't make the record up and he wasn't first to set the record.
It is an existing Guinness record set by Stefan Gauler. Lars also
wasn't first to set the 24 hour record. The 24 hour record was also an
existing record last set by Stefan Gauler. Here's a link to Stefan's
web pages about his records: 'Meine Einradweltrekorde'
(http://tinyurl.com/6mkw3). Both Pete and Lars were beating existing
records.

The old 1 hour mark was 21,290 meters (13.229 miles). That was a very
beatable mark and should be beaten. Those who think they can beat
Pete's mark should step up and do it.

Right now the 1 hour mark is a bit out of sync because the pace set on
the 100 mile record (6 hours 44 minutes) is an average of 14.85
miles/hour, which is faster than the current 1 hour record. But yeah,
those who think they can beat the record should do so. That's how we
find out what the fast times should be. Otherwise we'd just sit around
a table and try to agree on what the fastest time for a 1 hour time
trial should be.

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