Re: New Chelation Bill YEA

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Subject: Re: New Chelation Bill YEA
From: "Peter Moran" [email hidden]
Date: 7/28/2003 9:22 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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Very bad news for you eh wot? --rb

I had to confirm that this bill was not a spoof, e.g. some skeptic
highlighting the influence of nitwits in American politics.

Yeah this nitwits have the mistaken idea that people have the right to choose
their own health freedom.

How terrible.

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And why this support for Kadile? He showed he is an incompetent doctor in
other respects.

*Alledged* Why are you so eager to believe it?

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None of you have been able to find any evidence of chelation reversing
arterial disease, yet you continue to support it. Why?

Peter Moran

That's a bold faced lie.

http://www.chelationforlife.com/Studies/Default.htm

http://www.holistic-online.com/Chelation/hol_chelation.htm

http://www.chelationtherapyonline.com/articles/p182.htm#quack

http://www.gordonresearch.com/

Jan said:

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Subject: Re: New Chelation Bill YEA
From: "Peter Moran" [email hidden]
Date: 7/28/2003 9:22 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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Very bad news for you eh wot? --rb

I had to confirm that this bill was not a spoof, e.g. some skeptic
highlighting the influence of nitwits in American politics.

Yeah this nitwits have the mistaken idea that people have the right to choose
their own health freedom.

How terrible.

They should have the *informed* choice. Kadile, Waters, et al shoul
dhave to state that chelation has never been shown to reverse plaque
build-up in coronary arteries. What is so wrong with giving the
patrient/customer ALL of the facts? You advocate for that wrt amalgams.
Why not here?

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And why this support for Kadile? He showed he is an incompetent doctor in
other respects.

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*Alledged* Why are you so eager to believe it?

The *sworn* complaint is available on line. The State attorneys would
not swear to it, if they did not have evidence to support the allegations.

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None of you have been able to find any evidence of chelation reversing
arterial disease, yet you continue to support it. Why?

Peter Moran

That's a bold faced lie.

http://www.chelationforlife.com/Studies/Default.htm

Not relevant to atherosclerosis.

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http://www.holistic-online.com/Chelation/hol_chelation.htm

"Therapists point out that about 500,000 chelation therapies are being
done in the USA alone every year and the patients are very happy,
placebo effect or not. "

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http://www.chelationtherapyonline.com/articles/p182.htm#quack

No proof here.

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http://www.gordonresearch.com/

Ditto

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Subject: Re: New Chelation Bill YEA
From: Mark Probert [email hidden]
Date: 7/29/2003 5:44 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

Jan said:

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Subject: Re: New Chelation Bill YEA
From: "Peter Moran" [email hidden]
Date: 7/28/2003 9:22 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

> Very bad news for you eh wot? --rb

I had to confirm that this bill was not a spoof, e.g. some skeptic
highlighting the influence of nitwits in American politics.

Yeah this nitwits have the mistaken idea that people have the right to

choose

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their own health freedom.

How terrible.

They should have the *informed* choice. Kadile, Waters, et al shoul
dhave to state that chelation has never been shown to reverse plaque
build-up in coronary arteries

It HAS been shown.

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What is so wrong with giving the
patrient/customer ALL of the facts?

Absolutely nothing!!!

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You advocate for that wrt amalgams.

YES, and laws are being made becuase dentists do NOT tell of the risks.

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Why not here?

Read for comprehension.

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Yeah this nitwits have the mistaken idea that people have the right to
choose

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their own health freedom.

How terrible.

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Quoted message said:

And why this support for Kadile? He showed he is an incompetent doctor in

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other respects.

Quoted message said:

*Alledged* Why are you so eager to believe it?

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The *sworn* complaint is available on line. The State attorneys would
not swear to it, if they did not have evidence to support the allegations.

Yeah, like everyone is totally honest.

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None of you have been able to find any evidence of chelation reversing

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arterial disease, yet you continue to support it. Why?

Peter Moran

That's a bold faced lie.

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http://www.chelationforlife.com/Studies/Default.htm

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Not relevant to atherosclerosis.

I guess you have lied for so long, you are a complete fool.

Chelation Studies
Benefits of EDTA Chelation Therapy in Arteriosclerosis a Retrospective Study of
470 Patients
by C. Hancke, MD, and K. Flytlie, MD

EDTA Chelation Therapy Efficacy in Arteriosclerotic Heart Disease
by H. Richard Casdorph, MD, PhD

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http://www.holistic-online.com/Chelation/hol_chelation.htm

"Therapists point out that about 500,000 chelation therapies are being
done in the USA alone every year and the patients are very happy,
placebo effect or not. "

Yeah all 500,000 were placebo.

NOT!

What Are The Benefits of Chelation Therapy?

Chelation therapy is widely used for the treatment of atherosclerosis and other
chronic degenerative diseases involving the circulatory system. It also has
other benefits. Many scientists suggest that the beneficial effect of chelation
treatment is from the removal of metallic catalysts that causes excessive free
radical proliferation. This reduces the oxidation of lipids, DNA, enzyme
systems and lipoproteins. The chelation halts the bad effects and initiates the
body's healing process, often reversing the damage. It removes the calcium and
copper anions from the blood stream. The plaque lining the artery walls are
made porous and brittle. Eventually they may get dislodged. Even if only a
microscopic layer of the plaque is removed, it, along with a smoothening of the
artery wall due to the healing of the cells that line the arteries, can improve
the blood flow to the artery muscles substantially. This can prevent artery
spasm and minimize or prevent angina pain. Many patients who could not walk due
to muscle pain or angina pain have reported that they can walk without pain
after chelation therapy.

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http://www.chelationtherapyonline.com/articles/p182.htm#quack

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No proof here.

A pity you are such a liar.

After EDTA was found effective in chelating and removing toxic metals from the
blood, some scientists postulated that hardened arteries could be softened if
the calcium in their walls was removed. The first indication that EDTA
treatment might benefit patients with atherosclerosis came from Clarke, Clarke,
and Mosher, who, in 1956, reported that patients with occlusive peripheral
vascular disease said they felt better after treatment with EDTA [American
Journal of Medical Science 230:654-666, 1956].

http://www.sonic.net/~nexus/chelatio.html

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http://www.gordonresearch.com/

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Ditto

Dr. Garry F. Gordon, world-renown expert on oral chelation therapy, nutrition,
mineral metabolism, alternative and preventive therapies, has exhaustively
researched the more than 7,000 books and articles on EDTA written in the past
50 years. Dr. Gordon developed the original protocol for safe and effective use
of EDTA, has published numerous scientific papers on the topic and is co-author
of the best-selling book, The Chelation Answer

Garry Gordon is the Genius of Complementary Medicine

Bypassing The Bypass

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Subject: Re: New Chelation Bill YEA
From: [email hidden] (Jan)
Date: 7/29/2003 12:50 PM Pacif

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Arteriosclerosis

yikes you can't even read the english..

arteriosclerosis.....not ATHER....

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and the patients are very happy,

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placebo effect or not. "

yep...placebo effect does make one happy....

does nothing for angiographic evidence...which NONE of your "references" can or
ever have provided..

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Yeah all 500,000 were placebo.

no...probably some died...

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Many scientists suggest

suggest??? hmmmm...no evidence

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often

often??? says what??

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The plaque lining the artery walls are
made porous and brittle. Eventually they may get dislodged. Even if only

"eventually"????...perhaps you don't know Jan dunce...that said "dislodging"
can and does cause stroke?? nah....didn't think so

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Many patients who could not walk due
to muscle pain or angina pain have reported that they can walk without pain
after chelation therapy.

talking about "arteriosclerotic...ie peripheral vascular"...Janny

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and Mosher, who, in 1956, reported that patients with occlusive peripheral
vascular disease said they felt better after treatment with EDTA [American
Journal of Medical Science 230:654-666, 1956].

gee....1956??? wonder what diagnostics were used to back up this statement?? oh
yeah "experience"...rightttttt
hawki

oops..could someone please re post my just too soon sent message...as Jannie po
has me KF...

thanks
hawki

In said:

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From: "Peter Moran" [email hidden]
Date: 7/28/2003 9:22 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

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None of you have been able to find any evidence of chelation reversing
arterial disease, yet you continue to support it. Why?

Peter Moran

That's a bold faced lie.

Projection. Gotta be.

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http://www.chelationforlife.com/Studies/Default.htm

http://www.holistic-online.com/Chelation/hol_chelation.htm

http://www.chelationtherapyonline.com/articles/p182.htm#quack

http://www.gordonresearch.com/

Once again Jan demonstrates her inability to distinguish
between "evidence" and "advertisement."

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Jan said:

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Subject: Re: New Chelation Bill YEA
From: Mark Probert [email hidden]
Date: 7/29/2003 5:44 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

Jan said:

>Subject: Re: New Chelation Bill YEA
>From: "Peter Moran" [email hidden]
>Date: 7/28/2003 9:22 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <[email hidden]>
>
>> Very bad news for you eh wot? --rb
>
>
>I had to confirm that this bill was not a spoof, e.g. some skeptic
>highlighting the influence of nitwits in American politics.

Yeah this nitwits have the mistaken idea that people have the right to

choose

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their own health freedom.

How terrible.

They should have the *informed* choice. Kadile, Waters, et al shoul
dhave to state that chelation has never been shown to reverse plaque
build-up in coronary arteries

It HAS been shown.

The only way it can be shown to have *reversed* plaque build-up is by
angiography. I have read ever singe one of your URL's and have not found
the slightest reference to such a showing.

Please show me where I am wrong.

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Quoted message said:

What is so wrong with giving the
patrient/customer ALL of the facts?

Absolutely nothing!!!

Quoted message said:

You advocate for that wrt amalgams.

YES, and laws are being made becuase dentists do NOT tell of the risks.

Quoted message said:

Why not here?

Read for comprehension.

I have. Sad that you do not see chelation for atherosclerosis and
arteriosclerosis as being a BIG LIE.

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Quoted message said:

Yeah this nitwits have the mistaken idea that people have the right to
choose

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their own health freedom.

How terrible.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

And why this support for Kadile? He showed he is an incompetent doctor in

>other respects.

Quoted message said:

*Alledged* Why are you so eager to believe it?

Quoted message said:

The *sworn* complaint is available on line. The State attorneys would
not swear to it, if they did not have evidence to support the allegations.

Quoted message said:

Yeah, like everyone is totally honest.

Ask a lawyer what happens if they lie on a sworn complaint.

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None of you have been able to find any evidence of chelation reversing

>arterial disease, yet you continue to support it. Why?
>
>Peter Moran

That's a bold faced lie.

Quoted message said:

http://www.chelationforlife.com/Studies/Default.htm

Quoted message said:

Not relevant to atherosclerosis.

I guess you have lied for so long, you are a complete fool.

Quoted message said:

Chelation Studies
Benefits of EDTA Chelation Therapy in Arteriosclerosis a Retrospective Study of
470 Patients
by C. Hancke, MD, and K. Flytlie, MD

That is NOT proof that the plaque build up was reversed.

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EDTA Chelation Therapy Efficacy in Arteriosclerotic Heart Disease
by H. Richard Casdorph, MD, PhD

That is NOT proof that the plaque build up was reversed.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

http://www.holistic-online.com/Chelation/hol_chelation.htm

"Therapists point out that about 500,000 chelation therapies are being
done in the USA alone every year and the patients are very happy,
placebo effect or not. "

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Yeah all 500,000 were placebo.

That is NOT proof that the plaque build up was reversed.

Quoted message said:

NOT!

What Are The Benefits of Chelation Therapy?

Chelation therapy is widely used for the treatment of atherosclerosis and other
chronic degenerative diseases involving the circulatory system. It also has
other benefits. Many scientists suggest that the beneficial effect of chelation
treatment is from the removal of metallic catalysts that causes excessive free
radical proliferation. This reduces the oxidation of lipids, DNA, enzyme
systems and lipoproteins. The chelation halts the bad effects and initiates the
body's healing process, often reversing the damage. It removes the calcium and
copper anions from the blood stream. The plaque lining the artery walls are
made porous and brittle. Eventually they *may* get dislodged. Even if only a
microscopic layer of the plaque is removed, it, along with a smoothening of the
artery wall due to the healing of the cells that line the arteries, can improve
the blood flow to the artery muscles substantially. This can prevent artery
spasm and minimize or prevent angina pain. Many patients who could not walk due
to muscle pain or angina pain have reported that they can walk without pain
after chelation therapy.

Note where I added emphasis. That is NOT proof.

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http://www.chelationtherapyonline.com/articles/p182.htm#quack

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No proof here.

A pity you are such a liar.

After EDTA was found effective in chelating and removing toxic metals from the
blood, some scientists postulated that hardened arteries could be softened if
the calcium in their walls was removed. The first indication that EDTA
treatment might benefit patients with atherosclerosis came from Clarke, Clarke,
and Mosher, who, in 1956, reported that patients with occlusive peripheral
vascular disease said they felt better after treatment with EDTA [American
Journal of Medical Science 230:654-666, 1956].

That is NOT proof that the plaque build up was reversed.

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http://www.sonic.net/~nexus/chelatio.html

That is NOT proof that the plaque build up was reversed.

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http://www.gordonresearch.com/

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Ditto

Dr. Garry F. Gordon, world-renown expert on oral chelation therapy, nutrition,
mineral metabolism, alternative and preventive therapies, has exhaustively
researched the more than 7,000 books and articles on EDTA written in the past
50 years. Dr. Gordon developed the original protocol for safe and effective use
of EDTA, has published numerous scientific papers on the topic and is co-author
of the best-selling book, The Chelation Answer

Garry Gordon is the Genius of Complementary Medicine

Bypassing The Bypass

That is NOT proof that the plaque build up was reversed.

Remember, it can *only* be shown by angiography.