Once upon a time, TB was a disease much like AIDS. Usually fatal, with no treatment.
Today, it can usually be cured in the individual, although (as the article notes) with a multidrug resistant strain it can cost tens of thousands to do it--- or even hundreds of thousands of dollars to keep somebody locked up in quaranteen for a year or two while you give them pills they wouldn't otherwise take. I've seen that happen. Quananteen is one of the few places where force is necessary in medicine, for otherwise people go out and infect others with a disease which is increasingly hard to treat (which is how we got to where we are with TB). You can't let people [censored] in the water supply either, however much they'd like to.
By the way, multi-drug resistant TB is no more virulent than ordinary TB of 60 years ago. Just harder to cure with antibiotics. That is as opposed to the disease of 60 years ago which had no cure at all.
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Your point?
Once upon a time, TB was a disease much like AIDS. Usually fatal, with no treatment.
Not true there was many natural home remedies without pharm drugs. They were dying holistically treated. That's what she wants to go back to.
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Today, it can usually be cured in the individual, although (as the article notes) with a multidrug resistant strain it can cost tens of thousands to do it--- or even hundreds of thousands of dollars to keep somebody locked up in quaranteen for a year or two while you give them pills they wouldn't otherwise take. I've seen that happen. Quananteen is one of the few places where force is necessary in medicine, for otherwise people go out and infect others with a disease which is increasingly hard to treat (which is how we got to where we are with TB). You can't let people [censored] in the water supply either, however much they'd like to.
By the way, multi-drug resistant TB is no more virulent than ordinary TB of 60 years ago. Just harder to cure with antibiotics. That is as opposed to the disease of 60 years ago which had no cure at all.
Once upon a time, TB was a disease much like AIDS. Usually fatal, with no treatment.
Today, it can usually be cured in the individual, although (as the article notes) with a multidrug resistant strain it can cost tens of thousands to do it--- or even hundreds of thousands of dollars to keep somebody locked up in quaranteen for a year or two while you give them pills they wouldn't otherwise take. I've seen that happen. Quananteen is one of the few places where force is necessary in medicine, for otherwise people go out and infect others with a disease which is increasingly hard to treat (which is how we got to where we are with TB). You can't let people [censored] in the water supply either, however much they'd like to.
By the way, multi-drug resistant TB is no more virulent than ordinary TB of 60 years ago. Just harder to cure with antibiotics.
Oh do tell Steve!
That is as
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opposed to the disease of 60 years ago which had no cure at all.
So it had the same cure then as it does now. None. Right on that count. But the point of at least one of the articles I posted (the JAMA editorial?) is that the 'cure' for TB isn't a drug so much as it's prevention. On the social order.
So it had the same cure then as it does now. None.<<
Since you insist on using the word "cure" to mean eradication from the Earth, no. But if you get TB we can now save your life and keep it from killing you. That wasn't possible in the last century.
We don't do as well with cancer as TB, but we do make a big impact. Depending on the cancer, individuals can be treated so as to be cancer-free at 20 years, from 95% to 5% of the time, depending on the type of tumor. For all cases (excluding skin cancer) the figure is about 50% at 20 years. You can therefore look at that glass as half full or half empty. A century ago, almost nobody survived 20 years after a serious cancer.
In sci.med.pharmacy Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com <[email hidden]> wrote: : Your point?
: Once upon a time, TB was a disease much like AIDS. Usually fatal, with : no treatment.
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The development and spread of MDR TB is maintained by very complex social and economic factors. (eg Interested readers can do some GOOGLE research into "Public Health" and particularly the _"social determinants of illness"_.
Many factors are similar to the "determinants of HIV infection". (The WHO.org website is pretty good for explaining why young girls/women are among the exploding HIV rates in the developing/'two-thirds' world.)
It's not just about finding and taking the *right* drugs.
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: "Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com" <[email hidden]> wrote in message : news:[email hidden]... : > Your point? : > : > Once upon a time, TB was a disease much like AIDS. Usually fatal, with : > no treatment.
: Not true there was many natural home remedies without pharm drugs. They were
It's not just about finding and taking the *right* drugs. That's way (way!) too reductionist. Emma
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Sure, but you can fairly say that about anything in medicine or biology. There are always health problems associated with having too little money or education or brains, or from being born in the wrong place or to the wrong parents. I'm always surprised at people who consider such things "medical" problems, then get mad at doctors who want to play God. Can't have it both ways.
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Sbharrisatsignix.netcom.com said:
Your point?
Once upon a time, TB was a disease much like AIDS. Usually fatal, with no treatment.
Today, it can usually be cured in the individual, although (as the article notes) with a multidrug resistant strain it can cost tens of thousands to do it--- or even hundreds of thousands of dollars to keep somebody locked up in quaranteen for a year or two while you give them pills they wouldn't otherwise take. I've seen that happen. Quananteen is one of the few places where force is necessary in medicine, for otherwise people go out and infect others with a disease which is increasingly hard to treat (which is how we got to where we are with TB). You can't let people [censored] in the water supply either, however much they'd like to.
By the way, multi-drug resistant TB is no more virulent than ordinary TB of 60 years ago. Just harder to cure with antibiotics.
Oh do tell Steve!
That is as
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opposed to the disease of 60 years ago which had no cure at all.
So it had the same cure then as it does now. None. Right on that count. But the point of at least one of the articles I posted (the JAMA editorial?) is that the 'cure' for TB isn't a drug so much as it's prevention. On the social order.
Zee a
Prevention is not a cure. You can not cure someone of TB by preventing it.
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In sci.med.pharmacy Robert <[email hidden]> wrote:
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: news:[email hidden]... : > Your point? : > : > Once upon a time, TB was a disease much like AIDS. Usually fatal,
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If they all had homes... 😉
The reason for the increase is patient non-compliance in taking meds. Many are homeless and could care less when they start feeling well to stop all meds.
" development of MDR strains due to inadequate case management or poor treatment within California, or ongoing transmission,"
One solution is to keep all in house arrest much like typhoid Mary. Zee would love that solution but it is the only way to stop it.
One of the main reasons is the Western world in general and the U.S. in particular's insane and suicidal policy of essentially unrestricted immigration: We lovingly allow these Typhoid Marys into the country. But heh, how often is one given the opportunity to watch a once-great culture commit suicide before your very eyes?
