Re moat cairns (sic).

In message <[email hidden]>, Stuart Mann
<[email hidden]> writes

Quoted message said:

I see from today's Lakelandcam pictures that the Park authorities are taking the threat of
continued anti-cairn activity by Martin Richardson very seriously and putting defensive measures in
place :-)

I hope the bloody thing drowns - shame the builder didn't.

--
Martin Richardson
216/284 Munros (34/34 'Furths'😉
217/89 Donalds 390/1552 Marilyns 439/439 Nuttalls

Quoted message said:

I hope the bloody thing drowns - shame the builder didn't.

Are any Cairns allowed on the hills ....... or should they all be removed?

If so, should not all people keep off the hills ...... as they are not a natural part of
the outdoors?

And another point .... who is the keeper of the hills?

--
Sandy Saunders @ www.thewalkzone.co.uk

'Mountains or Mole Hills ... summiting still brings
the same excitement'

In message <[email hidden]>, Paul Saunders <[email hidden]> writes

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But of course people are a natural part of the outdoors! Where do we get the idea that humans are
separate from nature? It may be true that most humans have *separated* themselves from nature, but
that's not the same thing. We are an intrinsic part of it.

I've read somewhere that a measure of civilisation is how far removed we are from the disposal of
our body wastes. I would say that another measure would be, for me (lamb) meat eaters, how much they
realise that what they are eating is a keeper of the hills.

Quoted message said:

Humans just have a habit of reshaping nature to suit themselves, so arguably everything is natural,
we've just modified it a bit.

Quoted message said:

And another point .... who is the keeper of the hills?

The weather god.

Everyone - for the sake of future generations. That is why we should not build anything above the
intake wall - whether they are cairns, phone masts or wind farms - isn't that a reasonable
compromise?

--
Martin Richardson
216/284 Munros (34/34 'Furths'😉
217/89 Donalds 390/1552 Marilyns 439/439 Nuttalls

In message <[email hidden]>, Simon Caldwell
<[email hidden]> writes

Quoted message said:

Martin Richardson said:

Quoted message said:

I've read somewhere that a measure of civilisation is how far removed we are from the disposal of
our body wastes. I would say that another measure would be, for me (lamb) meat eaters, how much
they realise that what they are eating is a keeper of the hills.

and also whether vegetarian fleece-wearers realise that were it not for meat-eaters, the hills
would be empty of lovely little baa lambs

Yes I understand that. The point I was making though is that I suspect the majority of meat eaters
don't equate what they eat with the lovely little baa lambs. How many would be prepared to kill
their food before eating it?

--
Martin Richardson
216/284 Munros (34/34 'Furths'😉
217/89 Donalds 390/1552 Marilyns 439/439 Nuttalls

In article <[email hidden]>, one of infinite monkeys

at the keyboard of Simon Caldwell said:

and also whether vegetarian fleece-wearers realise that were it not for meat-eaters, the hills
would be empty of lovely little baa lambs

Really?

If you mean without the massive overgrazing by animals genetically modified for economic
productivity over many generations, then I'm all in favour. Substantial parts even of Europe - with
the same CAP as us - don't abuse their land that badly.

[ speaking as someone who won't eat meat, not because he can't face the thought of killing a baa-
lamb but because he can't support the farming practices that keep animals in concentration-camp
conditions for an entire lifetime, and then expect the taxpayer to bail them out and kill off the
remaining wildlife when they get the inevitable diseases of overcrowding like TB, etc ]

--
Finally, someone takes a stand against Humbug. Three cheers for Austrian shop workers!

sandy saunders said:

Are any Cairns allowed on the hills .......

Absolutely, that's where they came from in the first place.

Quoted message said:

or should they all be removed?

Rearranged maybe.

Quoted message said:

If so, should not all people keep off the hills ...... as they are not a natural part of the
outdoors?

Since when are hills not a natural part of the outdoors? ;-)

But of course people are a natural part of the outdoors! Where do we get the idea that humans are
separate from nature? It may be true that most humans have *separated* themselves from nature, but
that's not the same thing. We are an intrinsic part of it.

Humans just have a habit of reshaping nature to suit themselves, so arguably everything is natural,
we've just modified it a bit.

Quoted message said:

And another point .... who is the keeper of the hills?

The weather god.

Paul
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Martin Richardson said:

Quoted message said:

I've read somewhere that a measure of civilisation is how far removed we are from the disposal of
our body wastes. I would say that another measure would be, for me (lamb) meat eaters, how much
they realise that what they are eating is a keeper of the hills.

and also whether vegetarian fleece-wearers realise that were it not for meat-eaters, the hills would
be empty of lovely little baa lambs

[email hidden] said...

Quoted message said:

and also whether vegetarian fleece-wearers realise that were it not for meat-eaters, the hills
would be empty of lovely little baa lambs

Oy, that's me you're talking about! Mind you, I have no problem with other people eating meat; it's
me eating it I have problems with.
--
Fran If you need my email address please ask.

Quoted message said:

and also whether vegetarian fleece-wearers realise that were it not for meat-eaters, the hills
would be empty of lovely little baa lambs

Yes...!!!!

Result! "Long live the weeds and the wilderness yet."

Richard Webb cairn rearranger

[email hidden] said...

Quoted message said:

The point I was making though is that I suspect the majority of meat eaters don't equate what
they eat with the lovely little baa lambs. How many would be prepared to kill their food before
eating it?

I wouldn't, that's for sure. It's the main reason why I'm a vegetarian, because when it finally
dawned on me that I would have a really hard time killing and then eating an animal it also occurred
to me that it really wasn't a lot different from expecting someone else to kill it for me. I have no
problem with my husband and oldest children eating meat and fish; however I have no intention of
cooking it so my youngest two have been brought up as veggies. The middle one (Thomas, for those
who've met him) is also vegetarian and has been for about 3 years; it's his own choice and he sticks
to it, even refusing to eat sweets with gelatine in, which isn't easy for an 8 yr old surrounded by
friends who don't realise why he says no.
--
Fran If you need my email address please ask.