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  1. Carol Frilegh said:

    With Food Low, Space Crew Must Cut Back

    By WARREN E. LEARY

    Published: December 10, 2004

    WASHINGTON, Dec. 9 - The two astronauts aboard the International Space
    Station have been asked to curb their calories because of a food
    shortage, NASA officials said Thursday.

    Supplies of food and water on the station have fallen so low that if a
    Russian cargo vessel scheduled to arrive on Dec. 25 has a mishap or is
    significantly delayed, the astronauts, one American and one Russian,
    will have to abandon the station and return home months ahead of
    schedule, the NASA officials said.

    The space station manager at NASA, William Gerstenmaier, said the
    situation was manageable if nothing unexpected occurred. But Mr.
    Gerstenmaier said juggling consumable items like food, water and even
    light bulbs had been a challenge since the space shuttles were grounded
    because of the Columbia disaster in 2003.

    "This is not easy and requires lots of compromises," he said at a
    televised news conference at the Johnson Space Center in Houston.

    The coming delivery by the robotic Progress cargo craft, loaded with
    extra food and water, "is very critical," he said, adding, "There's no
    question about that."

    Plans are being put together for the crew to leave, Mr. Gerstenmaier
    said, in the event that the Progress is destroyed at launching or
    cannot dock with the station for some other reason.

    At that point, he said, the station will have 7 to 14 days' worth of
    food, at current consumption rates, and the crew will begin shutting it
    down for a departure early next month on its Soyuz rescue craft.

    The mission flight director, Annette Hasbrook, said the station could
    be safely left unstaffed for months, though it has been left empty so
    far only for spacewalks. Such an action would require shutting off some
    equipment, closing internal hatches and setting up the electronics so
    the station could be controlled from Earth. With the grounding of the
    American shuttle fleet since the Columbia disaster on Feb. 1, 2003, the
    station lost its major source of supplies.

    Shuttles regularly flew to the outpost with tons of food, water,
    equipment and experiments, as well as new crew members. Without
    shuttles, the station has had to rely exclusively on Russian Soyuz
    craft to deliver exchange crews and Progress cargo ships, which can
    carry about two and a half tons of material, about a third of what a
    shuttle can deliver.

    To conserve supplies, the 16 nations involved in the project agreed to
    reduce crews to two astronauts from three. The latest crew, the
    American commander, Dr. Leroy Chiao, and Col. Salizhan S. Sharipov of
    the Russian Air Force, the flight engineer, arrived in mid-October,
    expecting to stay for six months.

    Mr. Gerstenmaier said officials liked to keep a 45-day reserve of food
    and water and had been close to that reserve several times while
    awaiting Progress resupply flights. Before the latest crew was sent to
    the station, managers realized that supplies would become low and
    planned for that eventuality, he said.

    Dr. Sean Roden, the astronauts' flight surgeon, said the crew would not
    be asked to go on drastic diets. By changing meal plans, Dr. Roden
    said, managers want them to reduce their normal intake of 3,000
    calories by 5 percent to 10 percent while maintaining regular exercise
    and work schedules.

    No restrictions are being imposed yet on drinking water; water supplies
    are ample into mid-January, Dr. Roden said.

    "They will still have the same nutritional balance they had before," he
    added.

    Part of the current squeeze stems from delays by the Russians in the
    latest Progress delivery, which was changed from November to the end of
    this month, officials said, and some food had to be removed from a
    previous delivery because of the need to carry spare parts for a
    malfunctioning Russian oxygen generator.

    American and Russian station managers learned last week that the
    current crew had started using reserve food weeks ahead of schedule.
    The astronauts were asked to conduct three food inventories, which
    confirmed that supplies were less than expected.

    Mr. Gerstenmaier said a team had been assigned to look into tracking
    the food inventory at the station. Part of the problem is that food is
    stored in several places in packets, he said, and the crew cannot
    easily keep track of it.

    The next Progress delivery will include 180 gallons of water and enough
    food to last two astronauts more than 100 days, NASA officials said.
    Also aboard will be 12 pounds of new science experiments, along with
    needed supplies like batteries, lighting and clothing.

    Mr. Gerstenmaier said there would also be room aboard the tightly
    packed ship to include Christmas presents for the crew and "some fun
    things, as well."

    New York Times

    Sounds to me like they need to think about eating say, 2 pounds per day;
    much easier to keep track of then attempting to balance caloric intake in a
    semi-hostile environment.

  2. In article <[email hidden]>, MU

    Quoted message said:


    Sounds to me like they need to think about eating say, 2 pounds per day;
    much easier to keep track of then attempting to balance caloric intake in a
    semi-hostile environment.

    Space constraints involve concentrated foods which might play havoc
    with the TPD. Trim forward quoted stories please.

    --
    Diva
    *****
    The Best Man For The Job Is A Woman


  3. Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, MU

    Quoted message said:


    Sounds to me like they need to think about eating say, 2 pounds per day;
    much easier to keep track of then attempting to balance caloric intake in a
    semi-hostile environment.

    Carol Frilegh said:

    Space constraints involve concentrated foods which might play havoc
    with the TPD.

    Nay I say. See www.heartmdphd.com for story on mountain climbers which was
    the inspiration for the 2PDiet.

  4. Ignoramus22980 said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Sounds to me like they need to think about eating say, 2 pounds per day;
    much easier to keep track of then attempting to balance caloric intake in a
    semi-hostile environment.

    Space constraints involve concentrated foods which might play havoc
    with the TPD. Trim forward quoted stories please.

    I was on a model of a soviet space station many years ago, and saw
    their foods. They are super calorie dense in terms of calories per
    pound. Dried fruits, dry carbs, fat etc. I would expect that they eat
    much less than 2 lbs per day.

    And they live? On less than 2 pounds per day? And exercise too? And they
    are lean, not hungry and survive in a hostile environment?

    lol

    AC, time for a new name.

    The Simple Two Kilo Space Diet.

  5. MU said:
    Ignoramus22980 said:
    Quoted message said:

    > Sounds to me like they need to think about eating say, 2 pounds per
    > day;
    > much easier to keep track of then attempting to balance caloric
    > intake in a
    > semi-hostile environment.

    Space constraints involve concentrated foods which might play havoc
    with the TPD. Trim forward quoted stories please.

    I was on a model of a soviet space station many years ago, and saw
    their foods. They are super calorie dense in terms of calories per
    pound. Dried fruits, dry carbs, fat etc. I would expect that they eat
    much less than 2 lbs per day.

    And they live? On less than 2 pounds per day? And exercise too? And they
    are lean, not hungry and survive in a hostile environment?

    lol

    AC, time for a new name.

    The Simple Two Kilo Space Diet.

    Your point is? Please, please eat two pounds per day of partially
    hydrogenated oils and sugar, so that we may rid the earth of this idiocy.

    --
    Bob in CT

  6. MU said:
    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, MU

    Quoted message said:


    Sounds to me like they need to think about eating say, 2 pounds per
    day;
    much easier to keep track of then attempting to balance caloric intake
    in a
    semi-hostile environment.

    Carol Frilegh said:

    Space constraints involve concentrated foods which might play havoc
    with the TPD.

    Nay I say. See www.heartmdphd.com for story on mountain climbers which
    was
    the inspiration for the 2PDiet.

    In what manner do mountain climbers relate to normal people?

    --
    Bob in CT

  7. MU said:


    Ignoramus22980 said:
    Quoted message said:

    > Sounds to me like they need to think about eating say, 2 pounds per day;
    > much easier to keep track of then attempting to balance caloric intake in a
    > semi-hostile environment.

    Space constraints involve concentrated foods which might play havoc
    with the TPD. Trim forward quoted stories please.

    I was on a model of a soviet space station many years ago, and saw
    their foods. They are super calorie dense in terms of calories per
    pound. Dried fruits, dry carbs, fat etc. I would expect that they eat
    much less than 2 lbs per day.

    And they live? On less than 2 pounds per day? And exercise too? And they
    are lean, not hungry and survive in a hostile environment?

    lol

    AC, time for a new name.

    The Simple Two Kilo Space Diet.

    That's ok. The 2PD Approach remains simpler :-)

    Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

    Andrew

    --
    Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Board-Certified Cardiologist
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  8. Carol Frilegh said:


    In article <[email hidden]>, MU

    Quoted message said:


    Sounds to me like they need to think about eating say, 2 pounds per day;
    much easier to keep track of then attempting to balance caloric intake in a
    semi-hostile environment.

    Space constraints involve concentrated foods which might play havoc
    with the TPD. Trim forward quoted stories please.

    If the astronauts are at their trim ideal body weight, there is no
    indication for decreasing their intake in the first place. Indeed, my
    guess is that they are currently already eating about 2 pounds (32
    ounces or 909 grams) of space MREs (3-4 kcal per gram for the reported
    3000 kcal intake) daily.

    Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

    Andrew

    --
    Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Board-Certified Cardiologist
    http://www.heartmdphd.com/

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  9. Bob Mauri said:
    Quoted message said:


    Carol Frilegh said:

    Space constraints involve concentrated foods which might play havoc
    with the TPD.

    Nay I say. See www.heartmdphd.com for story on mountain climbers which
    was
    the inspiration for the 2PDiet.

    In what manner do mountain climbers relate to normal people?

    Did you go to the site and read? If you had, you would have your answer.

  10. MD/PhD said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Sounds to me like they need to think about eating say, 2 pounds per day;
    much easier to keep track of then attempting to balance caloric intake in a
    semi-hostile environment.

    Space constraints involve concentrated foods which might play havoc
    with the TPD.

    If the astronauts are at their trim ideal body weight, there is no
    indication for decreasing their intake in the first place. Indeed, my
    guess is that they are currently already eating about 2 pounds (32
    ounces or 909 grams) of space MREs (3-4 kcal per gram for the reported
    3000 kcal intake) daily.

    Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

    Andrew

    I bet they have calorie counting books and read Atkins every day.

  11. Bob Mauri said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I was on a model of a soviet space station many years ago, and saw
    their foods. They are super calorie dense in terms of calories per
    pound. Dried fruits, dry carbs, fat etc. I would expect that they eat
    much less than 2 lbs per day.

    And they live? On less than 2 pounds per day? And exercise too? And they
    are lean, not hungry and survive in a hostile environment?

    lol

    AC, time for a new name.

    The Simple Two Kilo Space Diet.

    Your point is?

    Above.

  12. "MU" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    MD/PhD said:
    Quoted message said:

    > Sounds to me like they need to think about eating say, 2 pounds per


    day;

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > much easier to keep track of then attempting to balance caloric intake


    in a

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > semi-hostile environment.

    Space constraints involve concentrated foods which might play havoc
    with the TPD.

    If the astronauts are at their trim ideal body weight, there is no
    indication for decreasing their intake in the first place. Indeed, my
    guess is that they are currently already eating about 2 pounds (32
    ounces or 909 grams) of space MREs (3-4 kcal per gram for the reported
    3000 kcal intake) daily.

    Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

    Andrew

    I bet they have calorie counting books and read Atkins every day.

    It doesn't matter what kind of measurement that is used to calculate
    food intake. If someone doesn't follow the plan, they will not lose weight.
    The 2pd/day approach you advocate is no different than counting calories or
    points. If a dieter is still hungry after they have finished their 2pds of
    food, there is nothing holding them back from eating more.
    Tom
    210/180/180

  13. Tom said:


    "MU" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    MD/PhD said:

    >> Sounds to me like they need to think about eating say, 2 pounds per


    day;

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >> much easier to keep track of then attempting to balance caloric intake


    in a

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >> semi-hostile environment.
    >
    > Space constraints involve concentrated foods which might play havoc
    > with the TPD.

    If the astronauts are at their trim ideal body weight, there is no
    indication for decreasing their intake in the first place. Indeed, my
    guess is that they are currently already eating about 2 pounds (32
    ounces or 909 grams) of space MREs (3-4 kcal per gram for the reported
    3000 kcal intake) daily.

    Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

    Andrew

    I bet they have calorie counting books and read Atkins every day.

    It doesn't matter what kind of measurement that is used to calculate
    food intake.

    Actually it does matter whether someone measures their food intake
    versus calculates/estimates it.

    Quoted message said:

    If someone doesn't follow the plan, they will not lose weight.

    Ime, they are many who are "watching what they are eating" and not
    losing weight despite following the plan whether the plan is low-carb or
    low-fat.

    Quoted message said:

    The 2pd/day approach you advocate is no different than counting calories or
    points.

    The 2PD Approach is different because people are actually measuring the
    amount of food they are eating whereas the latter method of counting
    calories or "points" is actually estimates of the amount of food.

    Quoted message said:

    If a dieter is still hungry after they have finished their 2pds of
    food, there is nothing holding them back from eating more.

    Their enlightened state of knowing the truth empowers them to make the
    choice of not eating more than they need despite the hunger.

    Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

    Andrew

    --
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    Board-Certified Cardiologist
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  14. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    If the astronauts are at their trim ideal body weight, there is no
    indication for decreasing their intake in the first place. Indeed, my
    guess is that they are currently already eating about 2 pounds (32
    ounces or 909 grams) of space MREs (3-4 kcal per gram for the reported
    3000 kcal intake) daily.

    Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

    Andrew

    I bet they have calorie counting books and read Atkins every day.

    Tom said:

    It doesn't matter what kind of measurement that is used to calculate
    food intake. If someone doesn't follow the plan, they will not lose weight.

    Many diet plans rely on inaccurate cal counting that ppl do not lose
    weight.

    Quoted message said:

    The 2pd/day approach you advocate is no different than counting calories or
    points.

    Since we don't count either, you would be incorrect.

    Quoted message said:

    If a dieter is still hungry after they have finished their 2pds of
    food, there is nothing holding them back from eating more.

    So?

  15. "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Tom said:
    Quoted message said:


    I bet they have calorie counting books and read Atkins every day.

    It doesn't matter what kind of measurement that is used to calculate
    food intake.

    Actually it does matter whether someone measures their food intake
    versus calculates/estimates it.

    Weighing the food would still be an estimate of calories even though it
    may be exactly 2 pounds.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    If someone doesn't follow the plan, they will not lose weight.

    Ime, they are many who are "watching what they are eating" and not
    losing weight despite following the plan whether the plan is low-carb or
    low-fat.

    True. Or 2 pounds of food.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    The 2pd/day approach you advocate is no different than counting calories


    or

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    points.

    The 2PD Approach is different because people are actually measuring the
    amount of food they are eating whereas the latter method of counting
    calories or "points" is actually estimates of the amount of food.

    Your 2pd method says that if a person is still gaining on 2 pounds of
    food, then lower the amount by a few ounces until the right amount for
    losing is found. So, 2pd is an estimate as well. When mountain climbers
    estimate food for an extended trip, the guides calculate about 2ppp/day.
    Most of this food is dehydrated. The total calories of food average close to
    around 5000 calories per day. This is the approximate calories/day required
    of the strenuous activity they will be doing, and this is what they are
    targeting. If the food weighs more than 2ppp/day than a closer look at what
    is being brought is required to see where things can be cut back. It is only
    a guide line. If a guide feels that more calories will be required based on
    experience of past climbs, then that could be increased as such. The only
    reason that 2 pounds is a magical number for climbers is because they have
    to carry the load up the mountain. A lot of thought goes into these trips.
    Too much food, and you may not make it to the top because of too much
    weight. Not enough food, and you will lack the energy needed to complete the
    climb. This is also the reason that dehydrated food is used. Water(or snow)
    can be found along the way, so why carry a lot with you? In our daily lives,
    weight of the food itself is not a critical factor because we aren't hauling
    it around. A space flight, or mountain climbing expedition requires a
    balance of energy expenditure verses how much can be physically taken along.
    The astronauts that you are poking fun at have a lot of support people to do
    all the calculations of what is needed. I would also assume that the people
    going up in to space are strongly recommended to follow guidelines of food
    intake layed out by these experts. Extra food would be taken, just in case,
    but stuff happens. Hunger is a strong drive. Restriction only causes more
    hunger and possible failure in the mission attempted.
    Your diet is still a calculation, and therefore subject to the same rules
    of human failings. I am not saying that your diet would not work. It will
    work, as long as a person stuck with the plan. As I have stated before, any
    diet will work if the plan is followed, even yours. It is simple to follow
    and therefore has an advantage in that respect. Other diets are better, but
    require more work in the way of following their plans. Overall, whether a
    diet instruction encompasses 2 pages or 500 pages, it still requires
    restriction of food and/or greater activity to work. If a person is still
    hungry, it doesn't matter what method was used, they may still cheat.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    If a dieter is still hungry after they have finished their 2pds of
    food, there is nothing holding them back from eating more.

    Their enlightened state of knowing the truth empowers them to make the
    choice of not eating more than they need despite the hunger.

    Good advice if your climbing a mountain and needing to save some food
    to make it to the summit at the end of the week.

    Tom
    210/180/180

    Quoted message said:

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  16. "MU" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I bet they have calorie counting books and read Atkins every day.

    Tom said:

    It doesn't matter what kind of measurement that is used to calculate
    food intake. If someone doesn't follow the plan, they will not lose


    weight.

    Quoted message said:


    Many diet plans rely on inaccurate cal counting that ppl do not lose
    weight.

    That is very possible, but not the main reason why they do not lose
    weight.

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    The 2pd/day approach you advocate is no different than counting calories


    or

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    points.

    Since we don't count either, you would be incorrect.

    You don't count pounds?

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    If a dieter is still hungry after they have finished their 2pds of
    food, there is nothing holding them back from eating more.

    So?

    So, whether the measurement is 2 lbs of food or 2000 calories of food,
    people know the pre-determined amout they're suppose to eat, but do not stop
    there because they are hungry.
    Both of you guys like to point out the problems of other diets, yet fail
    to see that the 2pd approach is just another method to calculate an amount
    of food. Just because the measurement is easy, does not make it work.
    Pre-packaged meals are simple as well, but does not work for most people in
    the end. The reason all diets(including the 2pd) have a high failure rate is
    due to the dieter rather than the method of calculation.
    Tom

  17. Tom said:

    Weighing the food would still be an estimate of calories even though it
    may be exactly 2 pounds.

    Weighing of food is weighing of food. Nothing more, nothing less.

    Have you read the 2PDiet?


  18. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    The 2pd/day approach you advocate is no different than counting calories


    or

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    points.

    Since we don't count either, you would be incorrect.

    Tom said:

    You don't count pounds?

    Reread above.

    Tom said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    If a dieter is still hungry after they have finished their 2pds of
    food, there is nothing holding them back from eating more.

    So?

    So, whether the measurement is 2 lbs of food or 2000 calories of food,
    people know the pre-determined amout they're suppose to eat, but do not stop
    there because they are hungry.

    So? Part of the 2PDiet is to deal with being hungry. You have sex every
    time you're horny?

    Quoted message said:

    Both of you guys like to point out the problems of other diets, yet fail
    to see that the 2pd approach is just another method to calculate an amount
    of food.

    It a unique method due to its zero failure rate and simplicity.

    Quoted message said:

    Just because the measurement is easy, does not make it work.

    It's one of the reasons is does work.

    Quoted message said:

    Pre-packaged meals are simple as well, but does not work for most people in
    the end. The reason all diets(including the 2pd) have a high failure rate

    You're incorrect. Again.

    Quoted message said:

    is
    due to the dieter rather than the method of calculation.
    Tom

    The method of calculation is another reason cal counting, carb counting and
    the tracking of these diets nearly guarantee failure.

    Now, until you have read about the 2PDiet, my part in this discussion with
    you is over.

  19. "MU" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Tom said:

    Weighing the food would still be an estimate of calories even though it
    may be exactly 2 pounds.

    Weighing of food is weighing of food. Nothing more, nothing less.

    Have you read the 2PDiet?

    Yes

  20. "MU" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    > The 2pd/day approach you advocate is no different than counting


    calories

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    or

    Quoted message said:

    > points.

    Since we don't count either, you would be incorrect.

    Tom said:

    You don't count pounds?

    Reread above.

    Tom said:
    Quoted message said:

    >If a dieter is still hungry after they have finished their 2pds of
    > food, there is nothing holding them back from eating more.

    So?

    So, whether the measurement is 2 lbs of food or 2000 calories of


    food,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    people know the pre-determined amout they're suppose to eat, but do not


    stop

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    there because they are hungry.

    So? Part of the 2PDiet is to deal with being hungry. You have sex every
    time you're horny?

    Quoted message said:

    Both of you guys like to point out the problems of other diets, yet


    fail

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    to see that the 2pd approach is just another method to calculate an


    amount

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    of food.

    It a unique method due to its zero failure rate and simplicity.

    Quoted message said:

    Just because the measurement is easy, does not make it work.

    It's one of the reasons is does work.

    Quoted message said:

    Pre-packaged meals are simple as well, but does not work for most people


    in

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the end. The reason all diets(including the 2pd) have a high failure


    rate

    Quoted message said:


    You're incorrect. Again.

    Quoted message said:

    is
    due to the dieter rather than the method of calculation.
    Tom

    The method of calculation is another reason cal counting, carb counting


    and

    Quoted message said:

    the tracking of these diets nearly guarantee failure.

    Now, until you have read about the 2PDiet, my part in this discussion with
    you is over.

    Fine with me. Obviously our vastly different views can not reach a
    middle ground on this issue. It is pointless to keep going over the same
    things.
    Tom

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