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  1. In rec.bicycles.tech John Henderson said:

    I got to wondering about the cause, and thought that I might have
    ridden close to a strong AC magnetic field at mains frequency.
    Since the Australian mains frequency is 50 Hertz, this could have
    switched the fork-mounted pickup at either 50 or 100 times per
    second (depending on whether both half-cycles did the switching,
    or only one - an AC electromagnet reverses polarity with each
    half-cycle). Given that the computer is configured for a wheel
    circumference of 2050 mm, that gives me a switching frequency of
    50 Hertz exactly (to 3 decimal places) for 369 kph.

    I also have a VDO computer (wireless) and yesterday I managed to ride
    565.65 km/h. Can you explain this too? The wheel circumference is 2095 mm.

    -as

  2. Antti Salonen said:

    I also have a VDO computer (wireless) and yesterday I managed
    to ride 565.65 km/h. Can you explain this too? The wheel
    circumference is 2095 mm.

    That corresponds to a switching frequency (at the wheel pickup)
    of exactly 75 Hertz: 565.65 / 3600 (to km / second), * 1000 (to
    metres / second), / 2.095 (to wheel rotations per second).
    That's too neat to be plausible as just coincidence. But what
    "signal" do you have in your area that might be 75 Hz?

    John

  3. In rec.bicycles.tech John Henderson said:
    Antti Salonen said:

    I also have a VDO computer (wireless) and yesterday I managed
    to ride 565.65 km/h. Can you explain this too? The wheel
    circumference is 2095 mm.

    That corresponds to a switching frequency (at the wheel pickup)
    of exactly 75 Hertz: 565.65 / 3600 (to km / second), * 1000 (to
    metres / second), / 2.095 (to wheel rotations per second).
    That's too neat to be plausible as just coincidence. But what
    "signal" do you have in your area that might be 75 Hz?

    Beats me. Electricity is 50 Hz here as well, and I didn't really pay
    attention to my surroundings when it occured, so I don't know what
    might've triggered it. Perhaps it was my EKG?

    -as

  4. Antti Salonen said:

    Beats me. Electricity is 50 Hz here as well, and I didn't
    really pay attention to my surroundings when it occured, so I
    don't know what might've triggered it. Perhaps it was my EKG?

    I had a vague recollection that 75 Hz might be used in some rail
    systems. Google shows that the Netherlands uses 75 Hz for
    railways signalling. Perhaps it's used elsewhere in Europe too.

    John

  5. In rec.bicycles.tech John Henderson said:

    I had a vague recollection that 75 Hz might be used in some rail
    systems. Google shows that the Netherlands uses 75 Hz for
    railways signalling. Perhaps it's used elsewhere in Europe too.

    That should be it then. My route went alongside and passed a railway
    several times.

    -as

  6. Antti Salonen said:

    That should be it then. My route went alongside and passed a
    railway several times.

    We really must keep quiet about all this now. Otherwise the
    Americans, led by Carl Fogel himself, will take the competitive
    edge in the next TDF by closely tracking all available power
    lines and railway easements.

    John

  7. Antti Salonen <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    In rec.bicycles.tech John Henderson said:

    I got to wondering about the cause, and thought that I might have
    ridden close to a strong AC magnetic field at mains frequency.
    Since the Australian mains frequency is 50 Hertz, this could have
    switched the fork-mounted pickup at either 50 or 100 times per
    second (depending on whether both half-cycles did the switching,
    or only one - an AC electromagnet reverses polarity with each
    half-cycle). Given that the computer is configured for a wheel
    circumference of 2050 mm, that gives me a switching frequency of
    50 Hertz exactly (to 3 decimal places) for 369 kph.

    I also have a VDO computer (wireless) and yesterday I managed to ride
    565.65 km/h. Can you explain this too? The wheel circumference is 2095 mm.

    -as

    Dear Antti,

    I doubt that it's weird Finnish electricity.

    It may have been something other than interference,
    such as a programming glitch deep in the bowels of
    the speedometer.

    Or the frequency of whatever you rode past might not
    be 50 Hz. If John's theory is correct and plain Hertz
    is all that's involved and that's what happened to your
    speedometer, then you need a roughly 76~77 Hz source.

    Or you may have ridden past more than one source of
    radio interference, hitting a spot where out-of-phase
    waves combine to produce a higher overall frequency.

    Or your magnet confused things further.

    Or you are a superhuman but exceptionally modest rider,
    in which case you must let us know what your speedometer
    reads when you are leaping over tall building with a
    single bound.

    Carl Fogel

  8. Antti,
    if your circumference is 2095mm, that = 82.48031"

    Try entering in 685.8mm for your circumference and see what readings you
    get.

    Looking at your speed in km/h, that equals 351.4786 mph. which might explain
    the 2095mm circumference?
    -tom

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    I also have a VDO computer (wireless) and yesterday I managed to ride
    565.65 km/h. Can you explain this too? The wheel circumference is 2095


    mm.

  9. Tom Nakashima said:

    Antti,
    if your circumference is 2095mm, that = 82.48031"

    Which seems about right for a road bike with fairly narrow tires.

    Quoted message said:


    Try entering in 685.8mm for your circumference and see what readings you
    get.

    Presumably very low ones - this would only be appropriate if he has
    wheels with a diameter of 8.6".

    Quoted message said:


    Looking at your speed in km/h, that equals 351.4786 mph. which might explain
    the 2095mm circumference?

    How? His indicated speed corresponds to a pulse rate of just under 75 per
    second. Too high for common electrical wiring but might be caused by
    multiple bounces of the contact in the sensor.

  10. "John Henderson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Antti Salonen said:

    That should be it then. My route went alongside and passed a
    railway several times.

    We really must keep quiet about all this now. Otherwise the
    Americans, led by Carl Fogel himself, will take the competitive
    edge in the next TDF by closely tracking all available power
    lines and railway easements.

    John

    Dear John,

    If you and Antti think that you can frighten
    the U.S. riders off by claiming to pass trains
    at over 500 kph, think again!

    We've owned the Tour de France for several years
    now and are not afraid of 50/75 Hz Australian-Finnish
    tactics!

    (Incidentally, why in hell do Finnish train signals
    use 75 Hz? Do they use some turn-of-the-century oddball
    equipment, perhaps from back when we weren't sure that
    alternating current was here to stay? Do all train
    signals use this strange current? Jobst is interested
    in trains, but I'm not sure that his interest extends to
    the signal equipment.)

    Carl Fogel

  11. Carl Fogel said:

    Incidentally, why in hell do Finnish train signals use 75 Hz?

    I can only refer you to what I found at
    http://wwwtvs.et.tudelft.nl/P&N/education/et4-024/notes/h5.pdf -
    75 Hz can be used to "avoid interference with the 50 Hz traction
    current".

    John

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