Re: Mark Probert Can't Back Up His Claims

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Subject: Re: Mark Probert Can't Back Up His Claims
From: Ilena Rose [email hidden]
Date: 4/18/2004 9:37 PM Pacific Standard Time
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Probert The Propagandist claimed:

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Jan, since you claim to suffer from MCS, a known psychosomatic disorder

Bogus.

That's the chemical companies and Quack Steve Barrett's highly funded,
biased "opinion" ...

Competent doctors and scientists believe otherwise ...

Probett is just spreading more propaganda here ...

www.humanticsfoundation.com/disinfoagent.htm#barrett'sParrot

Mark still needs to back up his claim that *I* claimed to have MCS.

Foot in mouth AGAIN!

Jan

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Subject: Re: Mark Probert Can't Back Up His Claims
From: Ilena Rose [email hidden]
Date: 4/18/2004 9:37 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

Probert The Propagandist claimed:

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>Jan, since you claim to suffer from MCS, a known psychosomatic disorder

Bogus.

That's the chemical companies and Quack Steve Barrett's highly funded,
biased "opinion" ...

Competent doctors and scientists believe otherwise ...

Probett is just spreading more propaganda here ...

www.humanticsfoundation.com/disinfoagent.htm#barrett'sParrot

Mark still needs to back up his claim that *I* claimed to have MCS.

Foot in mouth AGAIN!

AFAIAC your imaginary amalgam disease is one of the many scams of MCS.

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Subject: Re: Mark Probert Can't Back Up His Claims
From: Ilena Rose [email hidden]
Date: 4/18/2004 9:37 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

Probert The Propagandist claimed:

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>Jan, since you claim to suffer from MCS, a known psychosomatic disorder

Bogus.

That's the chemical companies and Quack Steve Barrett's highly funded,
biased "opinion" ...

Competent doctors and scientists believe otherwise ...

Probett is just spreading more propaganda here ...

www.humanticsfoundation.com/disinfoagent.htm#barrett'sParrot

Mark still needs to back up his claim that *I* claimed to have MCS.

IIRC, it was Bubba, not Jan, that suggested Jan had a subset of MCS called
Amalgam related disease (or something like that). Jan has claimed to have had
a variety of ineffable toxins and parasites, but I don't think she has used the
term MCS as she has never claimed to have been sexually abused.

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Foot in mouth AGAIN!

Jan

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Subject: Re: Mark Probert Can't Back Up His Claims
From: Ilena Rose [email hidden]
Date: 4/18/2004 9:37 PM Pacific Standard Time
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Probert The Propagandist claimed:

>>Jan, since you claim to suffer from MCS, a known psychosomatic

disorder

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Bogus.

That's the chemical companies and Quack Steve Barrett's highly funded,
biased "opinion" ...

Competent doctors and scientists believe otherwise ...

Probett is just spreading more propaganda here ...

www.humanticsfoundation.com/disinfoagent.htm#barrett'sParrot

Mark still needs to back up his claim that *I* claimed to have MCS.

IIRC, it was Bubba, not Jan, that suggested Jan had a subset of MCS called
Amalgam related disease (or something like that). Jan has claimed to have

had

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a variety of ineffable toxins and parasites, but I don't think she has

used the

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term MCS as she has never claimed to have been sexually abused.

Agreed, especially with the subset matter.

Any of you ever hear of a killfilter? Let me help:

http://members.impulse.net/~thebob/seanette/bitbucket.html

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Subject: Re: Mark Probert Can't Back Up His Claims
From: "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-April 18, 2004" M.a.r.kP.r.o.b.e.r.t
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Date: 4/19/2004 5:00 AM Pacific Standard Time
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Subject: Re: Mark Probert Can't Back Up His Claims
From: Ilena Rose [email hidden]
Date: 4/18/2004 9:37 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

Probert The Propagandist claimed:

>>Jan, since you claim to suffer from MCS, a known psychosomatic disorder

Bogus.

That's the chemical companies and Quack Steve Barrett's highly funded,
biased "opinion" ...

Competent doctors and scientists believe otherwise ...

Probett is just spreading more propaganda here ...

www.humanticsfoundation.com/disinfoagent.htm#barrett'sParrot

Mark still needs to back up his claim that *I* claimed to have MCS.

Foot in mouth AGAIN!

AFAIAC your imaginary amalgam disease is one of the many scams of MCS.

Backpeddle backpeddle, now do admit you were wrong.

Mercury poisoning from amalgams is NOT imaginary. Neither is MCS a scam.

Jan

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Subject: Re: Mark Probert Can't Back Up His Claims
From: [email hidden] (Bright Ilsa9)
Date: 4/19/2004 5:27 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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Subject: Re: Mark Probert Can't Back Up His Claims
From: Ilena Rose [email hidden]
Date: 4/18/2004 9:37 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

Probert The Propagandist claimed:

>>Jan, since you claim to suffer from MCS, a known psychosomatic disorder

Bogus.

That's the chemical companies and Quack Steve Barrett's highly funded,
biased "opinion" ...

Competent doctors and scientists believe otherwise ...

Probett is just spreading more propaganda here ...

www.humanticsfoundation.com/disinfoagent.htm#barrett'sParrot

Mark still needs to back up his claim that *I* claimed to have MCS.

IIRC,

Too lazy to look it up??

it was Bubba, not Jan, that suggested Jan had a subset of MCS called

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Amalgam related disease (or something like that).

No, in Bubba's post (which Rich never could answer BTW) Bubba was asking Rich.

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Does Jan meet the criteria of any of the DSM-IV-TR Somatoform Disorders?

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If she does NOT, then she does NOT have a Somatoform Disorder. (Please

use the correct terminology in the future.)

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Jan does NOT have a "psychosomatic condition"! That is NO longer a valid

psychiatric diagnosis!

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Jan has claimed to have had
a variety of ineffable toxins and parasites, but I don't think she has used
the term MCS as she has never claimed to have been sexually abused.

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Foot in mouth AGAIN!

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Jan

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Subject: Re: Mark Probert Can't Back Up His Claims
From: "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-April 19, 2004" M.a.r.kP.r.o.b.e.r.t
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Date: 4/19/2004 5:40 AM Pacific Standard Time
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Agreed, especially with the subset matter.

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Mark still needs to back up his claim that *I* claimed to have MCS.

Your memory is failing and I suggest you look things up rather than shoot off
your mouth. It is Debbee who has MCS.

Stop making claims you can't back up, it is becoming a habit.

Jan

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Subject: Re: Mark Probert Can't Back Up His Claims
From: [email hidden] (Bright Ilsa9)
Date: 4/19/2004 5:27 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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>Subject: Re: Mark Probert Can't Back Up His Claims
>From: Ilena Rose [email hidden]
>Date: 4/18/2004 9:37 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <[email hidden]>
>
>Probert The Propagandist claimed:
>
>>>Jan, since you claim to suffer from MCS, a known psychosomatic disorder
>
>Bogus.
>
>That's the chemical companies and Quack Steve Barrett's highly funded,
>biased "opinion" ...
>
>Competent doctors and scientists believe otherwise ...
>
>Probett is just spreading more propaganda here ...
>
>www.humanticsfoundation.com/disinfoagent.htm#barrett'sParrot

Mark still needs to back up his claim that *I* claimed to have MCS.

IIRC,

Too lazy to look it up??

Not at all. BTW, the ONE thing that Bubba & I could agree on was that Jan Drew
is a very sick woman.

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it was Bubba, not Jan, that suggested Jan had a subset of MCS called

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Amalgam related disease (or something like that).

According to the Google Archive, it is Amalgam Related Illness. IOW, Jan, even
Bubba thinks "you be illin'.

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No, in Bubba's post (which Rich never could answer BTW) Bubba was asking
Rich.

Oh-oh, another giant porky from the Queen of (F)Lies!

From: Bubba ([email hidden])
Subject: Re: In My Humble Opinion Only (Final)
View: Complete Thread (7 articles)
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Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 2002-01-21 15:36:14 PST

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My opinion is that Jan probably *has* "Amalgam-Related Illness."

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Subject: Re: Mark Probert Can't Back Up His Claims
From: "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-April 19, 2004" M.a.r.kP.r.o.b.e.r.t
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Agreed, especially with the subset matter.

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Mark still needs to back up his claim that *I* claimed to have MCS.

Your memory is failing and I suggest you look things up rather than shoot

off

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your mouth. It is Debbee who has MCS.

Stop making claims you can't back up, it is becoming a habit.

I feel that amalgam disease is a cross between OCD and MCS, since it focuses
on one substance.

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Subject: Re: Mark Probert Can't Back Up His Claims
From: "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-April 18, 2004" M.a.r.kP.r.o.b.e.r.t
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Date: 4/19/2004 5:00 AM Pacific Standard Time
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>Subject: Re: Mark Probert Can't Back Up His Claims
>From: Ilena Rose [email hidden]
>Date: 4/18/2004 9:37 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <[email hidden]>
>
>Probert The Propagandist claimed:
>
>>>Jan, since you claim to suffer from MCS, a known psychosomatic

disorder

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>
>Bogus.
>
>That's the chemical companies and Quack Steve Barrett's highly funded,
>biased "opinion" ...
>
>Competent doctors and scientists believe otherwise ...
>
>Probett is just spreading more propaganda here ...
>
>www.humanticsfoundation.com/disinfoagent.htm#barrett'sParrot

Mark still needs to back up his claim that *I* claimed to have MCS.

Foot in mouth AGAIN!

AFAIAC your imaginary amalgam disease is one of the many scams of MCS.

Backpeddle backpeddle, now do admit you were wrong.

Mercury poisoning from amalgams is NOT imaginary.

Wrong.

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Neither is MCS a scam.

Wrong.

next....

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Subject: Re: Mark Probert Can't Back Up His Claims
From: [email hidden](Andrew Kingoff)

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>Subject: Re: Mark Probert Can't Back Up His Claims
>>From: Ilena Rose [email hidden]
>>Date: 4/18/2004 9:37 PM Pacific Standard Time
>>Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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>Probert The Propagandist claimed:
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>>>>Jan, since you claim to suffer from MCS, a known psychosomatic disorder

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Bogus.

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>>That's the chemical companies and Quack Steve Barrett's highly funded,
>>biased "opinion" ...

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Competent doctors and scientists believe otherwise ...

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>>
>>Probett is just spreading more propaganda here ...
>>
>>www.humanticsfoundation.com/disinfoagent.htm#barrett'sParrot

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Mark still needs to back up his claim that *I* claimed to have MCS.

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IIRC,

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Too lazy to look it up??

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Not at all.

LOL, no need to try and remember, look it up instead.

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BTW, the ONE thing that Bubba & I could agree on was that Jan Drew
is a very sick woman.

That would be WAS sick, feeling fine now. Thanks to alternative medicine and
the removal of the metal in my mouth, plus much detoxing.

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No, in Bubba's post (which Rich never could answer BTW) Bubba was asking

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Rich.

Oh-oh, another giant porky from the Queen of (F)Lies!

Do post his reply, you can't because he couldn't answer, and we know who the
king of liars on this ng is, Andrew kindoff, who can't remember which name he
is posting under. Busted.

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My opinion is that Jan probably *has* "Amalgam-Related Illness."

Indeed. he is totally correct.

That is NOT MCS which leads us back to the fact, Mark Probert can't back up his
claims. Like you he was shooting off his mouth and inserting foot.

http://www.algonet.se/~leif/AmFAQk00.html

Jan

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Subject: Re: Mark Probert Can't Back Up His Claims
From: "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-April 19, 2004" M.a.r.kP.r.o.b.e.r.t
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Date: 4/20/2004 2:08 PM Pacific Standard Time
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Subject: Re: Mark Probert Can't Back Up His Claims
From: "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-April 19, 2004" M.a.r.kP.r.o.b.e.r.t
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Date: 4/19/2004 5:40 AM Pacific Standard Time
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Agreed, especially with the subset matter.

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>Mark still needs to back up his claim that *I* claimed to have MCS.

Your memory is failing and I suggest you look things up rather than shoot

off

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your mouth. It is Debbee who has MCS.

Stop making claims you can't back up, it is becoming a habit.

I feel that amalgam disease is a cross between OCD and MCS, since it focuses
on one substance.

How you feel is irrelevant. You goofed, as I have never claimed to have MCS.

Jan

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Subject: Re: Mark Probert Can't Back Up His Claims
From: "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-April 19, 2004" M.a.r.kP.r.o.b.e.r.t
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>Subject: Re: Mark Probert Can't Back Up His Claims
>From: "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-April 19, 2004" M.a.r.kP.r.o.b.e.r.t
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>Date: 4/19/2004 5:40 AM Pacific Standard Time
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>Agreed, especially with the subset matter.

>>Mark still needs to back up his claim that *I* claimed to have MCS.

Your memory is failing and I suggest you look things up rather than

shoot

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off

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your mouth. It is Debbee who has MCS.

Stop making claims you can't back up, it is becoming a habit.

I feel that amalgam disease is a cross between OCD and MCS, since it

focuses

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on one substance.

How you feel is irrelevant. You goofed, as I have never claimed to have

MCS.

So, you are in denial.

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Subject: Re: Mark Probert Can't Back Up His Claims
From: "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-April 19, 2004" M.a.r.kP.r.o.b.e.r.t

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Mercury poisoning from amalgams is NOT imaginary.

Wrong.

Yes, you indeed are wrong.

No, you are wrong.

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Neither is MCS a scam.

Wrong.

next....

No, now that I have proven ONCE AGAIN the many many lies you tell, the

many

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many claims you make and can't back up, you will be dumped again.

I see, so you run away to the killfile because I do not allow you to get
away with your [censored].

Run away Jan.
Run away Jan.
Run away Jan.
Run away Jan.
Run away Jan.
Run away Jan.
Run away Jan.
Run away Jan.
Run away Jan.
Run away Jan.

Jan the Accuser said:

No, now that I have proven ONCE AGAIN the many many lies you tell, the many
many claims you make and can't back up, you will be dumped again.

There are many people who are STILL suffering and STILL searching for their
unanswered health problems, ALL because *organized medicine and dentistry and
people like you are LYING.

I care about those people, you don't, that makes you E V I L!

Bye, bye.

Jan

PS For all new readers don't believe Mark Probert, he LIES.

You accuse people of LYING just for disagreeing with you,
but you never back up your accusations with evidence.

Do you need help seeing what a LIE looks like, Jan?

Here is an example:

To see Jan's ORIGINAL POSTING, go here:
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20040310000815.25804.00001173%40mb-m01.aol.com

Jan said:

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From: Mark Thorson [email hidden]

Instead of responding to what you say, Jan is trying to discredit
you by making insinuations about who you are or what your
motives may be.

Soon, she may accuse you of being on the payroll of the
pharmaceutical companies, etc. That's the way Jan works.

That would be ANOTHER LIE from Mark Thorson. I have NEVER accused

anyone of

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any such thing.

So do prove your claim Mark!!!!!

You can't YOU JUST LIED AGAIN!!!!!!!

----- example quotes of Jan accusing people of being paid shills -----

Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20030415173745.18794.00000646%40mb-fn.aol.com

Any time alt. health is mentioned the personal trashing starts. Mostly
comes from paid shill Mark Probert.

Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20030412210802.08778.00000680%40mb-fw.aol.com

Internet bully Mark Probert who is a paid shill and lives off his wife.

Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20030410170838.14245.00000347%40mb-ct.aol.com

As for Mark, he is a paid shill and lives off his wife.

Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20030325123827.25124.00000246%40mb-mn.aol.com

As long as Mark is here, the paid shill will call names when in fact
he is the one who is a bigot. Speaking of his own people.

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Subject: Re: Mark Probert Can't Back Up His Claims
From: [email hidden](Andrew Kingoff)

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>>Subject: Re: Mark Probert Can't Back Up His Claims
>>>From: Ilena Rose [email hidden]
>>>Date: 4/18/2004 9:37 PM Pacific Standard Time
>>>Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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>>Probert The Propagandist claimed:
>>>
>>>>>Jan, since you claim to suffer from MCS, a known psychosomatic

disorder

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Bogus.

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>>>
>>>That's the chemical companies and Quack Steve Barrett's highly funded,
>>>biased "opinion" ...

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Competent doctors and scientists believe otherwise ...
>>>
>>>Probett is just spreading more propaganda here ...
>>>
>>>www.humanticsfoundation.com/disinfoagent.htm#barrett'sParrot

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Mark still needs to back up his claim that *I* claimed to have MCS.

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>

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IIRC,

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Too lazy to look it up??

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Not at all.

LOL, no need to try and remember, look it up instead.

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BTW, the ONE thing that Bubba & I could agree on was that Jan Drew
is a very sick woman.

That would be WAS sick, feeling fine now.

Then why do you take daily doses of Neurontin and Elavil? Doesn't sound like
something a person would do if they weren't sick and were feeling fine.

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Thanks to alternative medicine and
the removal of the metal in my mouth, plus much coffee enemas.

You're welcome.

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Subject: Re: Mark Probert Can't Back Up His Claims
From: [email hidden](Andrew Kingoff)

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>>Subject: Re: Mark Probert Can't Back Up His Claims
>>>From: Ilena Rose [email hidden]
>>>Date: 4/18/2004 9:37 PM Pacific Standard Time
>>>Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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>>Probert The Propagandist claimed:
>>>
>>>>>Jan, since you claim to suffer from MCS, a known psychosomatic

disorder

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Bogus.

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>>>
>>>That's the chemical companies and Quack Steve Barrett's highly

funded,

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>>>biased "opinion" ...

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Competent doctors and scientists believe otherwise ...
>>>
>>>Probett is just spreading more propaganda here ...
>>>
>>>www.humanticsfoundation.com/disinfoagent.htm#barrett'sParrot

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Mark still needs to back up his claim that *I* claimed to have MCS.

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>

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IIRC,

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Too lazy to look it up??

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Not at all.

LOL, no need to try and remember, look it up instead.

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BTW, the ONE thing that Bubba & I could agree on was that Jan Drew
is a very sick woman.

That would be WAS sick, feeling fine now. Thanks to alternative medicine

and

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the removal of the metal in my mouth, plus much detoxing.

<snip>

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No, in Bubba's post (which Rich never could answer BTW) Bubba was asking

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Rich.

Oh-oh, another giant porky from the Queen of (F)Lies!

Do post his reply, you can't because he couldn't answer, and we know who

the

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king of liars on this ng is, Andrew kindoff, who can't remember which

name he

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is posting under. Busted.

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My opinion is that Jan probably *has* "Amalgam-Related Illness."

Indeed. he is totally correct.

That is NOT MCS which leads us back to the fact, Mark Probert can't back

up his

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claims. Like you he was shooting off his mouth and inserting foot.

Jan, at one time you claimed to have a buildup of chemicals in your
body and you were cutting back from using the computer because you
were told it contributed to it.
Look in the mirror, Jan, and see who's biting on the toes!

(Jan) said:

Mercury poisoning from amalgams is NOT imaginary. Neither is MCS a scam.

But the medications Jan Drew advertizes are a crime against humanity.

More about Jan Drew, the advertizing agency for the naturopath mafia :

http://www.geocities.com/naturopathicmafia/Quackery.html

Regards,

Aribert Deckers
--
Vollalternative Schmerzbehandlung

http://www.ariplex.com/ama/amalanc1.htm