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  1. SWAG

    I've read that when marathon runners hit-the-wall, it their transition from
    carb based to fat based energy. If you are already in Ketosis when you
    start, you would not hit-the-wall.

    ?

    SWAG = Scientific Wild Ass Guess

    "Ignoramus26859" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    After switching to my LC paleo diet, I noticed an increase in
    endurance. I usually run for 30 minutes. I used to be tired by the end
    of the run, but now I feel as fresh as if I just started running. I
    cannot scientifically explain why that is so.

    Anyway, I would like to experiment a bit and run longer, and maybe run
    a half marathon without deviating from my LC plan. Where I end up will
    depend on how well it goes as I ramp up the distance.

    My question is, can anyone offer relevant personal experiences here?

    Another question, at slow running speed, can one run using body fat as
    primary source of energy?

    i

  2. "Cubit" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    SWAG

    I've read that when marathon runners hit-the-wall, it their transition


    from

    Quoted message said:

    carb based to fat based energy. If you are already in Ketosis when you
    start, you would not hit-the-wall.

    ?

    SWAG = Scientific Wild Ass Guess

    The body can not convert fat as fast as it can carbs. I wish it could. I
    don't care if you are in ketosis or not. Working out on LC is great, but if
    you want to go far and faster, you need carbs. It really is a no brainer.
    Unless you think the whole athletic world is wrong.

    Curt

  3. curt said:


    "Cubit" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    SWAG

    I've read that when marathon runners hit-the-wall, it their transition


    from

    Quoted message said:

    carb based to fat based energy. If you are already in Ketosis when you
    start, you would not hit-the-wall.

    ?

    SWAG = Scientific Wild Ass Guess

    The body can not convert fat as fast as it can carbs. I wish it could.
    I
    don't care if you are in ketosis or not. Working out on LC is great,
    but if
    you want to go far and faster, you need carbs. It really is a no
    brainer.
    Unless you think the whole athletic world is wrong.

    Curt

    I think that some carbs are needed, but the amount is under question. I
    certainly take in nowhere near the amount of recommended carbs.

    --
    Bob in CT
    Remove ".x" to reply

  4. if a human being could drink gasoline instead of eating hamburgers to take
    in calories, a human being could run 26 miles on about one-twelfth of a
    gallon of gas. In other words, a human being gets more than 300 miles per
    gallon! If you put a human being on a bicycle to increase the efficiency, a
    human being can get well over 1,000 miles per gallon!

    http://health.howstuffworks.com/diet1.htm

    Placid

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    curt said:

    The body can not convert fat as fast as it can carbs. I wish it could.
    I
    don't care if you are in ketosis or not. Working out on LC is great, but
    if
    you want to go far and faster, you need carbs. It really is a no
    brainer.
    Unless you think the whole athletic world is wrong.

    I've always wondered - wouldn't alcohol be even better?

    KeS

  5. "curt" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    "Cubit" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    SWAG

    I've read that when marathon runners hit-the-wall, it their transition


    from

    Quoted message said:

    carb based to fat based energy. If you are already in Ketosis when you
    start, you would not hit-the-wall.

    ?

    SWAG = Scientific Wild Ass Guess

    The body can not convert fat as fast as it can carbs. I wish it could. I
    don't care if you are in ketosis or not. Working out on LC is great, but


    if

    Quoted message said:

    you want to go far and faster, you need carbs. It really is a no brainer.
    Unless you think the whole athletic world is wrong.

    The entire medical community is wrong. Why not the athletes who've been
    brainwashed by sports physicians/nutritionists as well?

    --
    Peace,
    Pen
    --
    Pawbreakers - The Candy for Cats!
    http://www.pawbreakers.com

  6. Ignoramus26859 wrote:
    || In article <C3n2d.8624$yJ3.7022@trndny08>, curt wrote:
    |||
    ||| "Cubit" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    ||| news:[email hidden]...
    |||| SWAG
    ||||
    |||| I've read that when marathon runners hit-the-wall, it their
    |||| transition from carb based to fat based energy. If you are
    |||| already in Ketosis when you start, you would not hit-the-wall.
    ||||
    |||| ?
    ||||
    |||| SWAG = Scientific Wild Ass Guess
    |||
    ||| The body can not convert fat as fast as it can carbs. I wish it
    ||| could. I don't care if you are in ketosis or not. Working out on
    ||| LC is great, but if you want to go far and faster, you need carbs.
    ||| It really is a no brainer. Unless you think the whole athletic
    ||| world is wrong.
    ||
    || I am not looking to run fast, I am looking to run a big (for me)
    || distance.
    ||

    I think you'll find it quite possible to distance running provided you don't
    exert yourself too much while doing it. An inexpensive heart rate monitor
    *might* be useful (I find htem useful and fun).

    The thing that makes all of this so fuzzy is that intensity depends on the
    individual. For example, when I ride my bike over the hilly terrain around
    here, it can be very intense for me due to my weight. However, for someone
    who weighs 60 or 80 lbs less, that same route would be much less intense, so
    they would likely do it with greater speed.

  7. Penelope Baker wrote:
    || "curt" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    || news:C3n2d.8624$yJ3.7022@trndny08...
    |||
    ||| "Cubit" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    ||| news:[email hidden]...
    |||| SWAG
    ||||
    |||| I've read that when marathon runners hit-the-wall, it their
    |||| transition from carb based to fat based energy. If you are
    |||| already in Ketosis when you start, you would not hit-the-wall.
    ||||
    |||| ?
    ||||
    |||| SWAG = Scientific Wild Ass Guess
    |||
    ||| The body can not convert fat as fast as it can carbs. I wish it
    ||| could. I don't care if you are in ketosis or not. Working out on
    ||| LC is great, but if you want to go far and faster, you need carbs.
    ||| It really is a no brainer. Unless you think the whole athletic
    ||| world is wrong.
    ||
    || The entire medical community is wrong. Why not the athletes who've
    || been brainwashed by sports physicians/nutritionists as well?

    Because the athletes haven't been brainwashed. These people have to perform
    and if eating a high fat diet worked they would have discovered it by now.
    There are those who have tried to do intense exercise on LC diets and they
    have found that it doesn't work. It's called hitting the wall or bonking
    out. Neither are good.

  8. Ignoramus26859 said:
    In article said:

    Ignoramus26859 wrote:
    || In article <C3n2d.8624$yJ3.7022@trndny08>, curt wrote:
    |||
    ||| "Cubit" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    ||| news:[email hidden]...
    |||| SWAG
    ||||
    |||| I've read that when marathon runners hit-the-wall, it their
    |||| transition from carb based to fat based energy. If you are
    |||| already in Ketosis when you start, you would not hit-the-wall.
    ||||
    |||| ?
    ||||
    |||| SWAG = Scientific Wild Ass Guess
    |||
    ||| The body can not convert fat as fast as it can carbs. I wish it
    ||| could. I don't care if you are in ketosis or not. Working out on
    ||| LC is great, but if you want to go far and faster, you need carbs.
    ||| It really is a no brainer. Unless you think the whole athletic
    ||| world is wrong.
    ||
    || I am not looking to run fast, I am looking to run a big (for me)
    || distance.
    ||

    I think you'll find it quite possible to distance running provided you
    don't
    exert yourself too much while doing it. An inexpensive heart rate
    monitor
    *might* be useful (I find htem useful and fun).

    See my separate post, I just tried distance running today.

    Instead of a hr monitor, I simply check if I can still talk while
    running.

    Quoted message said:

    The thing that makes all of this so fuzzy is that intensity depends on
    the
    individual. For example, when I ride my bike over the hilly terrain
    around
    here, it can be very intense for me due to my weight. However, for
    someone
    who weighs 60 or 80 lbs less, that same route would be much less
    intense, so
    they would likely do it with greater speed.

    I completely understand. My issue is sustaining modest intensity, not
    high intensity.

    i

    I was riding up a hill the other day, and someone who weighed about 50
    pounds less (or more -- I'm guessing) blew by me. It's nice to have high
    weight as an excuse! (Instead of talent, genetics, etc.)

    --
    Bob M
    remove ".x" to reply

  9. Bob M wrote:
    || On 17 Sep 2004 00:49:47 GMT, Ignoramus26859
    || <[email hidden]> wrote:
    ||
    ||| In article <[email hidden]>, Roger Zoul wrote:
    |||| Ignoramus26859 wrote:
    |||||| In article <C3n2d.8624$yJ3.7022@trndny08>, curt wrote:
    |||||||
    ||||||| "Cubit" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    ||||||| news:[email hidden]...
    |||||||| SWAG
    ||||||||
    |||||||| I've read that when marathon runners hit-the-wall, it their
    |||||||| transition from carb based to fat based energy. If you are
    |||||||| already in Ketosis when you start, you would not hit-the-wall.
    ||||||||
    |||||||| ?
    ||||||||
    |||||||| SWAG = Scientific Wild Ass Guess
    |||||||
    ||||||| The body can not convert fat as fast as it can carbs. I wish it
    ||||||| could. I don't care if you are in ketosis or not. Working out
    ||||||| on LC is great, but if you want to go far and faster, you need
    ||||||| carbs. It really is a no brainer. Unless you think the whole
    ||||||| athletic world is wrong.
    ||||||
    |||||| I am not looking to run fast, I am looking to run a big (for me)
    |||||| distance.
    ||||||
    ||||
    |||| I think you'll find it quite possible to distance running provided
    |||| you don't
    |||| exert yourself too much while doing it. An inexpensive heart rate
    |||| monitor
    |||| *might* be useful (I find htem useful and fun).
    |||
    ||| See my separate post, I just tried distance running today.
    |||
    ||| Instead of a hr monitor, I simply check if I can still talk while
    ||| running.
    |||
    |||| The thing that makes all of this so fuzzy is that intensity
    |||| depends on the
    |||| individual. For example, when I ride my bike over the hilly
    |||| terrain around
    |||| here, it can be very intense for me due to my weight. However, for
    |||| someone
    |||| who weighs 60 or 80 lbs less, that same route would be much less
    |||| intense, so
    |||| they would likely do it with greater speed.
    |||
    ||| I completely understand. My issue is sustaining modest intensity,
    ||| not high intensity.
    |||
    ||| i
    ||
    || I was riding up a hill the other day, and someone who weighed about
    || 50 pounds less (or more -- I'm guessing) blew by me. It's nice to
    || have high weight as an excuse! (Instead of talent, genetics, etc.)

    hehe...yeah....and don't forget age!

  10. Mel wrote:
    :: On 17 Sep 2004 16:00:29 GMT, Ignoramus474 wrote in message
    :: <[email hidden]>:
    ::
    ::: In article <1095436306.XmsIvRyt0Nm0A4uQSFIkjw@teranews>, Mel wrote:
    :::: I'm not so sure if the entire medical community is wrong. I've
    :::: been on a low-carb diet for going on two months now, and I've lost
    :::: maybe a grand total of 3 or 4 pounds. True, I sit on my butt all
    :::: day as a telemarketer and don't get a chance to exercise, but then
    :::: isn't LC supposed to work for us sedentary folk?
    ::::
    :::
    ::: what did you eat lately, specifically yesterday, and what meds are
    ::: you taking? Also, many people work in sedentary jobs, but it does
    ::: not mean that their whole life must be sedentary.
    ::
    :: the better question would be, what haven't I ate lately. They're not
    :: meds, I'm talking about crack cocaine. My entire life is sedentary
    :: because I'm too rotund to move about without crushing my own ankles.
    :: I have to find a way to lose enough weight, initially, so that I can
    :: even begin to 'exercise'.

    low carb isn't magic....you must manage to consume less food if you expect
    to lose weight.

    ::
    :: --
    ::
    :: Mel
    ::
    :: Cape Town news
    :: http://adderleystreet.co.za/capetown/

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