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  1. Mike Tennent said:
    IMKen said:

    I tend to believe you are right. He certainly would not do it for the
    money. He really doesn't have anything to prove and his ego would probably
    not allow it. But he did mention the possibility of Triathlon to stay fit.

    Ken

    Speculating again, but I hope he'll get involved in some organized
    rides/races to support the Armstrong Foundation. Ride in the back
    with the gang, shoot the breeze, etc.

    If he joined in a leg or two in one of the various across state rides,
    I'd be there.

    Mike Tennent
    "IronPenguin"

    Lance was introduced as the promising high school triathlete from Texas
    at my second ever triathlon, Hilton Head, 1988.

    Anyone watch the spoof on him by Jon Stewart on the the Daily Show? I
    started being amused and then I couldn't keep up the smile.

    Ruth Kazez

  2. I can't see him doing the Ironman in 2006. If he were to do it, he'd
    want to win it (which he's certainly capable of doing). But that would
    mean he'd have to train just as hard as he did for the Tour de France,
    and he allegedly wants to spend time with his kids (did you catch the
    interview with his Mom on OLN where his mom said that he was looking
    forward to taking his kids to SWIM MEETS?). I think maybe, in a year
    or two, he just might get the itch to again conquer the world. The
    Ironman is a sufficiently high profile event that there would be a lot
    of anticipation and a huge viewership, were he to announce that he was
    planning on doing it. Were he to win, his legend would become even
    more stratospheric. I truly do think that the guy has a future as a
    politician, as many have suggested.

  3. Quoted message said:

    From Ruth:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Anyone watch the spoof on him by Jon Stewart on the the Daily Show? I


    started being amused and then I couldn't keep up the smile. <<

    Small wonder. I often watch the Daily Show, but missed the offending
    show under discussion. Found the following synopsis:

    http://www.tvsquad.com/2005/07/26/the-daily-show-july-25-2005/

    It wasn't funny. I'm going to write Comedy Central. Not that it will
    do/change anything, but trying to get a laugh out of a body part lost
    to cancer crosses a line. Earlier in the month, one of Jon's "guests"
    was Bernard Goldberg, an ex-network newsie who famously "exposed"
    liberal bias in network news. Goldberg just published a book lamenting
    the coarsening of American culture (basically the words-can-be-poison
    caution). Stewart was probably harder on Goldberg than I've ever seen
    him be on any of Stewart's "guests" -- totally rejecting the premise of
    Goldberg's book.

    But the trash satire of Armstrong's cancer offered powerful support to
    Goldberg's arguments. And that's what I'm going to tell Comedy
    Central.

    URL for providing feedback to Comedy Central about their programming:

    http://www.comedycentral.com/help/questionsCC.jhtml

    - Larry W

  4. [email hidden] (Larry Weisenthal) wrote:
    ...... Earlier in the month, one of Jon's "guests"

    Quoted message said:

    was Bernard Goldberg, an ex-network newsie who famously "exposed"
    liberal bias in network news. Goldberg just published a book lamenting
    the coarsening of American culture (basically the words-can-be-poison
    caution). Stewart was probably harder on Goldberg than I've ever seen
    him be on any of Stewart's "guests" -- totally rejecting the premise of
    Goldberg's book......

    Stewart said that Goldberg's aiming at the likes of Barbra Streisand as
    menaces to U.S.culture rather than at government was laughable. J.S. is
    usually impressively civil, even deferential, to those who think
    entirely unlike him, e.g., Rick Santorum recently. I've never seen him
    go as low as the skit on Armstrong. The intention was funny enough, to
    knock anyone whose adulation had gone over the top, but it quickly
    became weird, full of hostility to bicycling itself, and making repeated
    one-ball non-jokes. They made themselves look provincial at best.

    Ruth Kazez

  5. "rtk" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    [email hidden] (Larry Weisenthal) wrote:
    ..... Earlier in the month, one of Jon's "guests"

    Quoted message said:

    was Bernard Goldberg, an ex-network newsie who famously "exposed"
    liberal bias in network news. Goldberg just published a book lamenting
    the coarsening of American culture (basically the words-can-be-poison
    caution). Stewart was probably harder on Goldberg than I've ever seen
    him be on any of Stewart's "guests" -- totally rejecting the premise of
    Goldberg's book......

    Stewart said that Goldberg's aiming at the likes of Barbra Streisand as
    menaces to U.S.culture rather than at government was laughable. J.S. is
    usually impressively civil, even deferential, to those who think entirely
    unlike him, e.g., Rick Santorum recently. I've never seen him go as low
    as the skit on Armstrong. The intention was funny enough, to knock anyone
    whose adulation had gone over the top, but it quickly became weird, full
    of hostility to bicycling itself, and making repeated one-ball non-jokes.
    They made themselves look provincial at best.

    Ruth Kazez

    I have felt that JS has changed since the DS has become more popular, and
    even more so since the presidential election. There was a time i wouldn't
    miss a show. Now...errr...not so much.

  6. email hidden (Larry Weisenthal) said:

    I can't see him doing the Ironman in 2006. If he were to do it, he'd
    want to win it (which he's certainly capable of doing). But that would
    mean he'd have to train just as hard as he did for the Tour de France,
    and he allegedly wants to spend time with his kids (did you catch the
    interview with his Mom on OLN where his mom said that he was looking
    forward to taking his kids to SWIM MEETS?). I think maybe, in a year
    or two, he just might get the itch to again conquer the world. The
    Ironman is a sufficiently high profile event that there would be a lot
    of anticipation and a huge viewership, were he to announce that he was
    planning on doing it. Were he to win, his legend would become even
    more stratospheric. I truly do think that the guy has a future as a
    politician, as many have suggested.

    I concur with the ironman comments. Just for my own curiosity, is there
    anything besides his cancer story and his notariety that make him a good
    political prospect (which I agree in and of themselves make him more
    qualified than about 40% of our elected officials?) I suppose in addition
    to his many amicable qualities, his demonstrated ability to hold a grudge
    might serve him well in politics as well :-)

    - Al

  7. Quoted message said:

    I concur with the ironman comments. Just for my own curiosity, is there
    anything besides his cancer story and his notariety that make him a good
    political prospect (which I agree in and of themselves make him more
    qualified than about 40% of our elected officials?) I suppose in addition
    to his many amicable qualities, his demonstrated ability to hold a grudge
    might serve him well in politics as well :-)

    Thanks to his work with the foundation, he's well acquainted with a
    lot of people with deep pockets. In politics (and especially in Texas)
    that's essential.

    --
    Brian P. Baresch
    Fort Worth, Texas, USA
    Professional editing and proofreading

    If you're going through hell, keep going. --Winston Churchill

  8. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    is there


    anything besides his cancer story and his notariety that make him a
    good
    political prospect <<

    Without the latter, would Reagen, Schwartzenegger, Edward Kennedy, or
    George W Bush (I read that a very significant percentage of Texans who
    voted for the latter in his first race for Governor were under the
    impression that they were voting for George HW Bush) have been good
    political prospects? Or Jeb Bush? Or John McCain? Or any of thousands
    of politicians who got into politics at all levels because of some
    fortuitous "notariety?"

    To make it in big time politics, one increasingly needs either great
    "notariety" or great wealth.

    In addition to notariety, Lance has demonstrated determination and
    capacity for hard work, ability to withstand withering attacks on his
    character and integrity, and he is quite good in interviews. He's also
    telegenic.

    I also get the impression that he is the one who is the true master of
    his domain; he is not the product of agents, sponsors, and "handlers,"
    unlike certain successful politicians, who have required the latter to
    succeed. I think that, like John McCain, he's likely to be his own man,
    which, by itself, will make him way above average for a national
    politician. On the other hand, this independence may well get him into
    trouble. It takes only a single ill-considered comment/guote to kill a
    political career.

    I'm glad that he eschewed whole brain radiation, which he did out of
    concern that it would affect his balance and coordination. That, and
    the somewhat unconventional chemotherapy (chosen also to preserve his
    full athletic potential) were gambles which paid off.

  9. (Larry Weisenthal) said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    is there


    anything besides his cancer story and his notariety that make him a
    good
    political prospect <<

    Without the latter, would Reagen, Schwartzenegger, Edward Kennedy, or
    George W Bush (I read that a very significant percentage of Texans who
    voted for the latter in his first race for Governor were under the
    impression that they were voting for George HW Bush) have been good
    political prospects? Or Jeb Bush? Or John McCain? Or any of thousands
    of politicians who got into politics at all levels because of some
    fortuitous "notariety?"

    True enough.

    Quoted message said:

    To make it in big time politics, one increasingly needs either great
    "notariety" or great wealth.

    Yep.

    Quoted message said:

    In addition to notariety, Lance has demonstrated determination and
    capacity for hard work, ability to withstand withering attacks on his
    character and integrity, and he is quite good in interviews. He's also
    telegenic.

    A major question in my mind is to what extent he's able to live with
    delegation of authority. As "The Boss" in the pelaton his tendency was
    very much to take matters into his own hands (granted, sometimes out of
    necessity) rather than rely on teammates like most other GC contenders
    in many situations.

    Quoted message said:

    I also get the impression that he is the one who is the true master of
    his domain; he is not the product of agents, sponsors, and "handlers,"
    unlike certain successful politicians, who have required the latter to
    succeed. I think that, like John McCain, he's likely to be his own man,
    which, by itself, will make him way above average for a national
    politician. On the other hand, this independence may well get him into
    trouble. It takes only a single ill-considered comment/guote to kill a
    political career.

    I tend to agree that his independence may well work against him, and I
    don't take issue with the positive elements you've identified. But to
    a certain extent, lining Lance up for politics as kind of a forgone
    conclusion (not your words, but the general feeling I get from among
    his proponents at large) is kind of like assuming a person is going to
    have a great career in art because:

    - He's desperately poor
    - He has a bandage over one ear
    - He's well aquainted with the gallery intelligencia
    - He looks good in a beret
    - He named his first daughter Gertrude

    In a nutshell, I'm looking for some genuine content in the way of a
    political outlook to reinforce the idea that he'd succeed in politics.
    I.e., not merely his opinion on a given issue for opinion's sake - but
    something to show he's able to address the issues intelligently, and
    that he has a genuine interest in doing so.

    Quoted message said:

    I'm glad that he eschewed whole brain radiation, which he did out of
    concern that it would affect his balance and coordination. That, and
    the somewhat unconventional chemotherapy (chosen also to preserve his
    full athletic potential) were gambles which paid off.

    Yeah, those where gutsy calls that definitely paid off - although a bit
    of brain damage might have better equipped him for Austin/Washington
    :-).

    - Al

  10. I saw the clip last week on the Daily Show's website. I thought it was
    amusing. Yes, making fun of someone for a physical ailment is usually
    considered base, but I think an awful lot depends on the voice and the
    intent behind it. Theirs was not one of malice. He's not sick, he's
    not dying, he's not handicapped, and in fact, he's considered one of
    the most outstanding athletes of all time. Saying he needs help in
    lovemaking and 'it is a team sport' is funny simply because it's
    completely untrue.

    I'd like to add that I'm sure that it comes across differently reading
    a synopsis than watching the actual show. I tried reading it, but I
    still have Rob Corrdry's voice in my head, so am unable to read it with
    any objectivity. You may still have found the joke classless, and
    you're obviously welcome to that opinion, I just thought I'd express
    mine.

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