Re: JC Der Koenig

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Rod & Betty Jo said:

"JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I believe the one's that discount my viewpoint are the ones with low
self-esteem.

I wouldn't think so.... rarely does anybody actually disagree with your view
point of "eat less/ exercise more".... of which is rather obvious or self
evident, no brain surgery required..... but rather most seem to simply take
exception to your rude comments and lack of social grace.......more akin to
the bully we'd all like to smack..... Rod

Ahhh, no.

Most kill file him and avoid quoting him so that others don't have to
see what he posts.

Susan

It doesn't seem like many agree with me on being able to control their
situation through willpower and self-discipline.

--
Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW

"Rod & Betty Jo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I believe the one's that discount my viewpoint are the ones with low
self-esteem.

I wouldn't think so.... rarely does anybody actually disagree with your
view point of "eat less/ exercise more".... of which is rather obvious or
self evident, no brain surgery required..... but rather most seem to
simply take exception to your rude comments and lack of social
grace.......more akin to the bully we'd all like to smack..... Rod

"Susan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Ahhh, no.

Most kill file him and avoid quoting him so that others don't have to see
what he posts.
Susan

I know and I should however every once and while I just can't help
myself<G>.....I was careful to avoid a did too/ did not diatribe...I thought
(foolish as that may be) that the subject worthy of comment....Rod

"JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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It doesn't seem like many agree with me on being able to control their
situation through willpower and self-discipline.

I think your perceptions are wrong......Who doesn't know that eating less
and exercising more results in weight loss? People gather here largely for
motivation, shared experience, knowledge, tricks and tips...knowing what is
often the easy part.... knowing how is a much bigger hill to climb.
Motivation is no small thing, maintaining motivation day in and day out
requires healthy doses of small successes, positive achievement and hurdles
overcome....belittling those successes builds nothing...... I suppose a
"drill sergeant mentality" has its place but realistically it is only
effective in a short term controlled environment...this is not that
environment. Even the army is smart enough to know when and where to use
it....I'd even suggest that long suffering and sacrifice is a lousy way to
live..... fine enough for short term goals but weight control for most of us
is not a one time issue....nor a race but simply a long process of learning
a new way to eat.....Rod

Because they so often don't work on their own. Will power and
self-discipline are temporary feelings for immediate situations. Will
power is a struggle against an impulse, impulses are temporary. If you
rely on will power, then you have to have that fight with yourself over
and over, for the rest of your life. Setting up your environment so
that it is near impossible to fail means you remove the necessity for
struggle. It takes will power not to eat the candy in the cabinet, it
takes a lot less will power not to buy it in the first place. After a
while, it becomes a habit not to go down the candy aisle, it becomes
routine to exercise, you don't have to struggle to make yourself do it
anymore. Will power comes and goes, but good habits can rescue you when
you are weak.

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JC Der Koenig said:

It doesn't seem like many agree with me on being able to control their
situation through willpower and self-discipline.

--
Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW

"Rod & Betty Jo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I believe the one's that discount my viewpoint are the ones with low
self-esteem.

I wouldn't think so.... rarely does anybody actually disagree with your
view point of "eat less/ exercise more".... of which is rather obvious or
self evident, no brain surgery required..... but rather most seem to
simply take exception to your rude comments and lack of social
grace.......more akin to the bully we'd all like to smack..... Rod

If you know all that, why isn't it working for you?

--
Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW

"Luna" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Because they so often don't work on their own. Will power and
self-discipline are temporary feelings for immediate situations. Will
power is a struggle against an impulse, impulses are temporary. If you
rely on will power, then you have to have that fight with yourself over
and over, for the rest of your life. Setting up your environment so
that it is near impossible to fail means you remove the necessity for
struggle. It takes will power not to eat the candy in the cabinet, it
takes a lot less will power not to buy it in the first place. After a
while, it becomes a habit not to go down the candy aisle, it becomes
routine to exercise, you don't have to struggle to make yourself do it
anymore. Will power comes and goes, but good habits can rescue you when
you are weak.

In article <[email hidden]>,

JC Der Koenig said:

It doesn't seem like many agree with me on being able to control their
situation through willpower and self-discipline.

--
Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW

"Rod & Betty Jo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>I believe the one's that discount my viewpoint are the ones with low
>self-esteem.

I wouldn't think so.... rarely does anybody actually disagree with your
view point of "eat less/ exercise more".... of which is rather obvious
or
self evident, no brain surgery required..... but rather most seem to
simply take exception to your rude comments and lack of social
grace.......more akin to the bully we'd all like to smack..... Rod

I am all about good habits, and the motivational stuff is just to get the
habits in place. But then you know all that, because you've been so
successful at all this.

--
Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW

"Rod & Betty Jo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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It doesn't seem like many agree with me on being able to control their
situation through willpower and self-discipline.

I think your perceptions are wrong......Who doesn't know that eating less
and exercising more results in weight loss? People gather here largely for
motivation, shared experience, knowledge, tricks and tips...knowing what
is often the easy part.... knowing how is a much bigger hill to climb.
Motivation is no small thing, maintaining motivation day in and day out
requires healthy doses of small successes, positive achievement and
hurdles overcome....belittling those successes builds nothing...... I
suppose a "drill sergeant mentality" has its place but realistically it is
only effective in a short term controlled environment...this is not that
environment. Even the army is smart enough to know when and where to use
it....I'd even suggest that long suffering and sacrifice is a lousy way to
live..... fine enough for short term goals but weight control for most of
us is not a one time issue....nor a race but simply a long process of
learning a new way to eat.....Rod

"JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I am all about good habits, and the motivational stuff is just to get the
habits in place. But then you know all that, because you've been so
successful at all this.

I'd like to think so....5 years ago (at 47) I nearly died from a rare
autoimmune disorder.... after surgery and subsequent immune suppressant
drugs, several bouts of both AFIB and a serious lung infection I've spent my
time simply trying to get my or any life back.....Dealing with chronic pain
(just try and have a large fibrosis wrapped around your Aorta) and the
other issues made weight gain a non concern. In fact I don't consider the
40lbs or so I lost before my surgery (I no longer could eat because of the
pain) any more of a achievement than the weight I gained since then a
failure..... now with slightly better health and more control over the
chronic pain it is a good time to drop the excess post surgery pounds.....so
this year I am and will. .... after nearly dying, closing my business of
25years, having a physical capacity of less than 25% of my former self.....
weight up or down is just not that significant....definitely not worth
beating yourself up over or anyone else for that mater....Rod.

"JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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It doesn't seem like many agree with me on being able to control their
situation through willpower and self-discipline.

I agree with you, but here's a situation....

My mother was always the cook. She believed in low-fat and actually put
dirt in my food when I was a kid to make me resistant to disease. That was
her belief.

She's put on a bit of weight now (just a bit heavy, not obese), and I've
convinced my parents of the benefits of the low-carb lifestyle. My parents
are both in their seventies, and my mother has Alzheimers. And they forget
(especially my mother). My dad is fairly new to cooking, and tends to
prefer the slow cooker. It's something he can do.

Neither of them eats less and exercises more. That's just their situation.
They do what they can do.

That's a snapshot of my parents and my life, and I understand it. I also
understand that everyone else has a unique life. We all know that your
philosophy about eating and exercise is best for everyone. Most everyone
here knows that for one reason or another, this is difficult or impossible
for some, and that's why we're here.

So you rely on an outlier to make excuses for everyone? How reasonable is
that?

--
Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW

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"JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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It doesn't seem like many agree with me on being able to control their
situation through willpower and self-discipline.

I agree with you, but here's a situation....

My mother was always the cook. She believed in low-fat and actually put
dirt in my food when I was a kid to make me resistant to disease. That
was her belief.

She's put on a bit of weight now (just a bit heavy, not obese), and I've
convinced my parents of the benefits of the low-carb lifestyle. My
parents are both in their seventies, and my mother has Alzheimers. And
they forget (especially my mother). My dad is fairly new to cooking, and
tends to prefer the slow cooker. It's something he can do.

Neither of them eats less and exercises more. That's just their
situation. They do what they can do.

That's a snapshot of my parents and my life, and I understand it. I also
understand that everyone else has a unique life. We all know that your
philosophy about eating and exercise is best for everyone. Most everyone
here knows that for one reason or another, this is difficult or impossible
for some, and that's why we're here.

it's call sampling weight. all maths teachers would know that! <G>

JC Der Koenig said:

So you rely on an outlier to make excuses for everyone? How reasonable is
that?

--
Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW

"Jim Bard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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It doesn't seem like many agree with me on being able to control their
situation through willpower and self-discipline.

I agree with you, but here's a situation....

My mother was always the cook. She believed in low-fat and actually put
dirt in my food when I was a kid to make me resistant to disease. That
was her belief.

She's put on a bit of weight now (just a bit heavy, not obese), and I've
convinced my parents of the benefits of the low-carb lifestyle. My
parents are both in their seventies, and my mother has Alzheimers. And
they forget (especially my mother). My dad is fairly new to cooking, and
tends to prefer the slow cooker. It's something he can do.

Neither of them eats less and exercises more. That's just their
situation. They do what they can do.

That's a snapshot of my parents and my life, and I understand it. I also
understand that everyone else has a unique life. We all know that your
philosophy about eating and exercise is best for everyone. Most everyone
here knows that for one reason or another, this is difficult or impossible
for some, and that's why we're here.

"JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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So you rely on an outlier to make excuses for everyone? How reasonable is
that?

--
Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW

"Jim Bard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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It doesn't seem like many agree with me on being able to control their
situation through willpower and self-discipline.

I agree with you, but here's a situation....

My mother was always the cook. She believed in low-fat and actually put
dirt in my food when I was a kid to make me resistant to disease. That
was her belief.

She's put on a bit of weight now (just a bit heavy, not obese), and I've
convinced my parents of the benefits of the low-carb lifestyle. My
parents are both in their seventies, and my mother has Alzheimers. And
they forget (especially my mother). My dad is fairly new to cooking, and
tends to prefer the slow cooker. It's something he can do.

Neither of them eats less and exercises more. That's just their
situation. They do what they can do.

That's a snapshot of my parents and my life, and I understand it. I also
understand that everyone else has a unique life. We all know that your
philosophy about eating and exercise is best for everyone. Most everyone
here knows that for one reason or another, this is difficult or
impossible for some, and that's why we're here.

I don't know what an "outlier" is, hope you will explain that to me. I did
have a graduate teaching assistantship teaching statistics to undergrands,
and that helped pay my way through college.

Thirty years later, I'm always happy to learn.

So you're being purposely obtuse then...

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Now [censored]. You cannot possibly be this stupid and remember to
breathe. You must be trolling. -- Carmen

"Jim Bard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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So you rely on an outlier to make excuses for everyone? How reasonable
is that?

--
Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW

"Jim Bard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> It doesn't seem like many agree with me on being able to control their
> situation through willpower and self-discipline.

I agree with you, but here's a situation....

My mother was always the cook. She believed in low-fat and actually put
dirt in my food when I was a kid to make me resistant to disease. That
was her belief.

She's put on a bit of weight now (just a bit heavy, not obese), and I've
convinced my parents of the benefits of the low-carb lifestyle. My
parents are both in their seventies, and my mother has Alzheimers. And
they forget (especially my mother). My dad is fairly new to cooking,
and tends to prefer the slow cooker. It's something he can do.

Neither of them eats less and exercises more. That's just their
situation. They do what they can do.

That's a snapshot of my parents and my life, and I understand it. I
also understand that everyone else has a unique life. We all know that
your philosophy about eating and exercise is best for everyone. Most
everyone here knows that for one reason or another, this is difficult or
impossible for some, and that's why we're here.

I don't know what an "outlier" is, hope you will explain that to me. I
did have a graduate teaching assistantship teaching statistics to
undergrands, and that helped pay my way through college.

Thirty years later, I'm always happy to learn.

"A_M" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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it's call sampling weight. all maths teachers would know that! <G>

JC Der Koenig said:

So you rely on an outlier to make excuses for everyone? How reasonable
is
that?

--
Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW

"Jim Bard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> It doesn't seem like many agree with me on being able to control their
> situation through willpower and self-discipline.

I agree with you, but here's a situation....

My mother was always the cook. She believed in low-fat and actually
put
dirt in my food when I was a kid to make me resistant to disease. That
was her belief.

She's put on a bit of weight now (just a bit heavy, not obese), and
I've
convinced my parents of the benefits of the low-carb lifestyle. My
parents are both in their seventies, and my mother has Alzheimers. And
they forget (especially my mother). My dad is fairly new to cooking,
and
tends to prefer the slow cooker. It's something he can do.

Neither of them eats less and exercises more. That's just their
situation. They do what they can do.

That's a snapshot of my parents and my life, and I understand it. I
also
understand that everyone else has a unique life. We all know that your
philosophy about eating and exercise is best for everyone. Most
everyone
here knows that for one reason or another, this is difficult or
impossible
for some, and that's why we're here.

Please settle down, JC. This is not about you, me, or anyone else arguing.
This is about us all getting along here in the NG. Hope you can do that.

Nobody here wants to beat up on anyone,. just wants to share ideas. I think
you have some good ones.