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Re: Iron pills cause problems

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  1. Tom, please let his doctor do his job, the site is done by a "reporter"
    and none of the below is new territory. Low iron is most often diagnosed
    by testing, the symptoms below relate to the oppisite of his condition and
    therefore irrelevant. You have no idea of his presenting symptoms,
    medical history, what testing was done, or anything else. He asked for an
    alternative source of iron, not a list of symptoms of iron overload which
    was never at issue; including "fatigue".

    Quoted message said:

    Your usual


    bias is showing.

    Quoted message said:

    A more careful read will show that he discusses anaemia and iron
    "regulation"

    Quotation:
    "Differentiating between anemia and iron overload can be difficult because
    both conditions cause fatigue. One study at the Department of Medicine,
    University of Western Ontario in Canada, found that iron overload can
    produce a wide range of symptoms, such as joint pain (particularly hip),
    unexplained gastric pain, frequent infections, skin bronzing, elevated liver
    enzymes, cessation of menstruation, hair loss and heart flutters
    (fibrillation). Yet, of 410 iron-overload patients, 27 percent experienced
    no symptoms whatsoever.18 Common symptoms of iron-deficiency anemia are
    lowered resistance to infections, fainting, breath holding, mental fatigue,
    sleepiness, cold hands and feet, and cravings for ice, meat or tomatoes, all
    which are more likely to occur among women.19 "

    Mike V

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    Tom, please let his doctor do his job, the site is done by a "reporter"
    and none of the below is new territory. Low iron is most often diagnosed
    by testing, the symptoms below relate to the oppisite of his condition and
    therefore irrelevant. You have no idea of his presenting symptoms,
    medical history, what testing was done, or anything else. He asked for an
    alternative source of iron, not a list of symptoms of iron overload which
    was never at issue; including "fatigue".

    Quoted message said:

    Your usual


    bias is showing.

    Quoted message said:

    A more careful read will show that he discusses anaemia and iron
    "regulation"

    Quotation:
    "Differentiating between anemia and iron overload can be difficult


    because

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    both conditions cause fatigue. One study at the Department of Medicine,
    University of Western Ontario in Canada, found that iron overload can
    produce a wide range of symptoms, such as joint pain (particularly hip),
    unexplained gastric pain, frequent infections, skin bronzing, elevated


    liver

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    enzymes, cessation of menstruation, hair loss and heart flutters
    (fibrillation). Yet, of 410 iron-overload patients, 27 percent


    experienced

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    no symptoms whatsoever.18 Common symptoms of iron-deficiency anemia are
    lowered resistance to infections, fainting, breath holding, mental


    fatigue,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    sleepiness, cold hands and feet, and cravings for ice, meat or tomatoes,


    all

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    which are more likely to occur among women.19 "

    Mike V

    Sardi presents himself as a reporter, and interprets a long list of research
    papers.

    The poster asked for help.
    He should listen to your opinion because____________
    ___________________________________________
    ___________________________________________
    Credentials:__________________________________
    ___________________________________________

    Please complete for his benefit, lest he mistake you for an opinionated
    blowhard.

    Gratefully;
    MikeV

  3. "He should listen to your opinion because____________"

    My response to him was not medical opinion but basic nutrition info easily
    available to anyone. He wanted to know about alternate sources of iron
    because of reactions to iron pills. You presented the medical opinion that
    he might be misdiagnosed because both low and high iron can cause fatigue.
    You presented your opinion, via a web article, when his doc had already
    done a diagnosis based on having at hand one supposes medical history and
    tests results. You attempted an alternate diagnosis based on ... ? You
    said the article was balanced, to what regard, apparently because it
    contained info you like but which was not a response to his question.
    Tom, will you now answer his question, what are alternate sources of iron
    to raise his blood levels; he having been diagnosed as low iron?

  4. <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    "He should listen to your opinion because____________"

    My response to him was not medical opinion but basic nutrition info easily
    available to anyone.

    Ah! NOW I get it!
    You were simply reporting.

    Then please complete below for the benefit of the OP.

    My reporting (especially on iron) is better than Bill Sardi's because of the
    following skills and excellent experience:___________________
    ___________________________________________
    ___________________________________________
    ___________________________________________
    Signed _______________
    Mark D Toad
    Expert at large. Credible Critic for all Seasons.

    Best Regards:
    Mike V

  5. "Ah! NOW I get it!"

    Thank you for conceding Tom, it is better to get these things out in the
    open. Now, to answer his question, what info have you about alternative
    sources of iron to raise a diagnosed too low iron level?

  6. What he actually asked:

    "Does anybody have any suggestions."

    Sardi provided references. You provided an opinion.

    You have also provided 're mooshification' of a formerly constructive and
    scientifically based newsgroup.
    No thanks for that.
    Please don't bother to respond. I'm bored again.
    MikeV

  7. Sorry doe.
    That was intended for our 'expertus expertorum' who needs neither neither
    references, nor further identification.
    MikeV

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