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  1. convicted neighbor Kumar said:
    Andrew said:
    convicted neighbor Kumar said:

    Hello,

    Quoted message said:

    "The important message is people shouldn't be happy just because they
    look thin; it's not about looking fit or looking thin, it's about
    being healthy.

    Quoted message said:

    "You can look healthy, but have a lot of fat internally, which can
    have a detrimental effect on your health."
    When you exercise you tend to burn the internal fat," said Prof Bell.
    "Lifestyle changes have to include physical activity. It is not just
    enough to diet."
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/12/11/nfat1...

    Quoted message said:

    In one news, it is also indicated that decreasing weight by diet
    reduction, may increase internal fats. I think, this may point out
    importance of excercise in diabetes not just diet control. It may also
    indicates internal fats (I think Visceral fats) may be relating to
    immediate energy needs, in case other energy stores or other fat
    stores are resisted or restricted.

    Quoted message said:

    What can be the purpose of getting internal fats or greater visceral
    adiposity other than their pathological effects

    The purpose of visceral adipose tissue (VAT) is solely pathological.

    We have disscussed it earlier.

    Correct.

    Quoted message said:

    However I am trying to understand more
    in view of above link, diet control resulting formation of internal
    fats and excercising controling these?

    Dieting is harmful especially when there is still overeating.

    Regimented vigorous exercise is not necessary for losing VAT.

    If this weren't true, all paraplegics (and other folks unable to
    exercise) would end up with too much VAT. Instead, prisoners in
    solitary confinement or POWs without exercise yard privileges are
    eventually released with little to no VAT.

    All that is necessary for losing VAT is eating less down to at least
    the optimal amount.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    This is by GOD's design to chasten all those who would choose to
    overeat, which is a "bad thing:"

    http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/overweight.asp

    May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you hungrier than you have
    ever been in your life.

    Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,

    Andrew <><
    --
    Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    http://EmoryCardiology.com

    "Unlike the 2PD-OMER Approach, weight loss diets can't be combined
    with well-balanced diets."
    http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth

  2. "Dieting is harmful especially when there is still overeating.

    Regimented vigorous exercise is not necessary for losing VAT.

    If this weren't true, all paraplegics (and other folks unable to
    exercise) would end up with too much VAT. Instead, prisoners in
    solitary confinement or POWs without exercise yard privileges are
    eventually released with little to no VAT."

    Instead of providing supporting research evidence for the original
    assertions, you now add additional distortions, incompleteness, along
    with flaws of logic and fact.

    You have in past lost credability in this area of science and now must
    regain it by showing you can demonstrate command of the literature in
    support of the assertions.

    You make the assertions as though widely known in the scientific
    community, which means it will be no chore at all for you to provide
    that supporting evidence.

    Failing to do so is admission that the assertions are unsupported in
    research. Opinion and wishfull thinking are not research.

  3. On May 14, 10:58 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    convicted neighbor Kumar said:
    Andrew said:

    convicted neighbor Kumar wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > Hello,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > "The important message is people shouldn't be happy just because they
    > look thin; it's not about looking fit or looking thin, it's about
    > being healthy.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > "You can look healthy, but have a lot of fat internally, which can
    > have a detrimental effect on your health."
    > When you exercise you tend to burn the internal fat," said Prof Bell.
    > "Lifestyle changes have to include physical activity. It is not just
    > enough to diet."
    >http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/12/11/nfat1...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > In one news, it is also indicated that decreasing weight by diet
    > reduction, may increase internal fats. I think, this may point out
    > importance of excercise in diabetes not just diet control. It may also
    > indicates internal fats (I think Visceral fats) may be relating to
    > immediate energy needs, in case other energy stores or other fat
    > stores are resisted or restricted.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > What can be the purpose of getting internal fats or greater visceral
    > adiposity other than their pathological effects

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    The purpose of visceral adipose tissue (VAT) is solely pathological.

    Quoted message said:

    We have disscussed it earlier.

    Correct.

    Quoted message said:

    However I am trying to understand more
    in view of above link, diet control resulting formation of internal
    fats and excercising controling these?

    Dieting is harmful especially when there is still overeating.

    Regimented vigorous exercise is not necessary for losing VAT.

    If this weren't true, all paraplegics (and other folks unable to
    exercise) would end up with too much VAT. Instead, prisoners in
    solitary confinement or POWs without exercise yard privileges are
    eventually released with little to no VAT.

    All that is necessary for losing VAT is eating less down to at least
    the optimal amount.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    This is by GOD's design to chasten all those who would choose to
    overeat, which is a "bad thing:"

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/overweight.asp

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you hungrier than you have
    ever been in your life.

    Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,

    Andrew <><
    --
    Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhDhttp://EmoryCardiology.com

    "Unlike the 2PD-OMER Approach, weight loss diets can't be combined
    with well-balanced diets."http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth- Hide quoted text -

    - Show quoted text -

    "Stress and dietary carbohydrates

    Dietary carbohydrate has been known to stimulate SNS activity though a
    number of studies have emphasized the role of insulin. Recent studies
    in rats have demonstrated that adding glucose to the basic diet
    increased SNS activity in peripheral tissues and increased GLUT 4
    activity in interscapular brown adipose tissue and retroperitoneal fat
    (but not in epididymal fat) [272]. Overfeeding results in high insulin
    levels. In the presence of glucose, insulin acts on the brain to
    increase the SNS tone, which, in turn enhances thermogenesis and
    dissipation of excess calories [163]. There is a close relationship
    between postprandial insulinemia, SNS activation, and adipose tissue
    blood flow (ATBF). ATBF increases in response to stress states such as
    exercise or mental stress, and also in response to nutrient intake
    [273]. High insulin levels and increased SNS tone are useful for the
    maintenance of caloric balance, but in the long term they are
    conducive to CHD, hypertension, sudden death, and obesity as the SNS
    receptors become down regulated [163].

    Chronic stress leads to elevated cortisol levels, which may lead to
    accumulation of VAT and metabolic syndrome [274]. Stress-induced
    increased levels of glucocorticoids can also have a major effect on
    food intake [275]. A subset of stressed or depressed humans may
    overeat, especially comfort food (e.g., sugar and fat), in an attempt
    to reduce anxiety and activity in the chronic stress-response network.
    This is supported by the finding that these people have decreased
    cerebrospinal corticosteroid releasing factor, catecholamine
    concentrations, and HPA activity. While comfort foods may calm them
    down in the short term, they may lead to abdominal obesity if this
    becomes a long term "solution." The chronic elevation of systemic
    glucocorticoids may contribute to VAT deposition. By itself, being
    obese may be a stressful stimulus to overeating. A weight loss program
    can be stressful, which can sabotage its success by eliciting the
    release of stress hormones, which, in turn can make a person crave
    high energy foods [275]. Feeding rats a long-term high-sucrose diet
    along with supplemental dexamethasone has been shown to increase fat
    depots and induce liver steatosis [276]. In addition to dietary
    intervention, stress management may improve one's cognitive,
    behavioral, and physiologic responses to stress, including glycemia
    [277].
    http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/1/1/12 "

    We may have to unerstand, which ANS (autonomus nervous system)
    stimulation is common on persisting hyperglycemia/IR in diabetics
    type2?

  4. convicted neighbor Kumar said:
    Andrew said:
    convicted neighbor Kumar said:

    Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
    > convicted neighbor Kumar wrote:

    Quoted message said:

    > > Hello,

    Quoted message said:

    > > "The important message is people shouldn't be happy just because they
    > > look thin; it's not about looking fit or looking thin, it's about
    > > being healthy.

    Quoted message said:

    > > "You can look healthy, but have a lot of fat internally, which can
    > > have a detrimental effect on your health."
    > > When you exercise you tend to burn the internal fat," said Prof Bell.
    > > "Lifestyle changes have to include physical activity. It is not just
    > > enough to diet."
    > >http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/12/11/nfat1...

    Quoted message said:

    > > In one news, it is also indicated that decreasing weight by diet
    > > reduction, may increase internal fats. I think, this may point out
    > > importance of excercise in diabetes not just diet control. It may also
    > > indicates internal fats (I think Visceral fats) may be relating to
    > > immediate energy needs, in case other energy stores or other fat
    > > stores are resisted or restricted.

    Quoted message said:

    > > What can be the purpose of getting internal fats or greater visceral
    > > adiposity other than their pathological effects

    Quoted message said:

    > The purpose of visceral adipose tissue (VAT) is solely pathological.

    Quoted message said:

    We have disscussed it earlier.

    Correct.

    Quoted message said:

    However I am trying to understand more
    in view of above link, diet control resulting formation of internal
    fats and excercising controling these?

    Dieting is harmful especially when there is still overeating.

    Regimented vigorous exercise is not necessary for losing VAT.

    If this weren't true, all paraplegics (and other folks unable to
    exercise) would end up with too much VAT. Instead, prisoners in
    solitary confinement or POWs without exercise yard privileges are
    eventually released with little to no VAT.

    All that is necessary for losing VAT is eating less down to at least
    the optimal amount.

    Quoted message said:

    > This is by GOD's design to chasten all those who would choose to
    > overeat, which is a "bad thing:"

    Quoted message said:

    >http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/overweight.asp

    Quoted message said:

    > May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you hungrier than you have
    > ever been in your life.

    "Stress and dietary carbohydrates

    Dietary carbohydrate has been known to stimulate SNS activity though a
    number of studies have emphasized the role of insulin. Recent studies
    in rats have demonstrated that adding glucose to the basic diet
    increased SNS activity in peripheral tissues and increased GLUT 4
    activity in interscapular brown adipose tissue and retroperitoneal fat
    (but not in epididymal fat) [272]. Overfeeding results in high insulin
    levels. In the presence of glucose, insulin acts on the brain to
    increase the SNS tone, which, in turn enhances thermogenesis and
    dissipation of excess calories [163]. There is a close relationship
    between postprandial insulinemia, SNS activation, and adipose tissue
    blood flow (ATBF). ATBF increases in response to stress states such as
    exercise or mental stress, and also in response to nutrient intake
    [273]. High insulin levels and increased SNS tone are useful for the
    maintenance of caloric balance, but in the long term they are
    conducive to CHD, hypertension, sudden death, and obesity as the SNS
    receptors become down regulated [163].

    Chronic stress leads to elevated cortisol levels, which may lead to
    accumulation of VAT and metabolic syndrome [274]. Stress-induced
    increased levels of glucocorticoids can also have a major effect on
    food intake [275]. A subset of stressed or depressed humans may
    overeat, especially comfort food (e.g., sugar and fat), in an attempt
    to reduce anxiety and activity in the chronic stress-response network.
    This is supported by the finding that these people have decreased
    cerebrospinal corticosteroid releasing factor, catecholamine
    concentrations, and HPA activity. While comfort foods may calm them
    down in the short term, they may lead to abdominal obesity if this
    becomes a long term "solution." The chronic elevation of systemic
    glucocorticoids may contribute to VAT deposition. By itself, being
    obese may be a stressful stimulus to overeating. A weight loss program
    can be stressful, which can sabotage its success by eliciting the
    release of stress hormones, which, in turn can make a person crave
    high energy foods [275]. Feeding rats a long-term high-sucrose diet
    along with supplemental dexamethasone has been shown to increase fat
    depots and induce liver steatosis [276]. In addition to dietary
    intervention, stress management may improve one's cognitive,
    behavioral, and physiologic responses to stress, including glycemia
    [277].
    http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/1/1/12 "

    We may have to unerstand, which ANS (autonomus nervous system)
    stimulation is common on persisting hyperglycemia/IR in diabetics
    type2?

    Thankfully, such understanding is not required to eat less down to the
    right amount to lose all the VAT to cure the MetS and possibly even
    the type-2 diabetes:

    http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/overweight.asp

    This Approach now also has a million-dollar guarantee:

    http://TruthRUS.org/Guarantee

    Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,

    Andrew <><
    --
    Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    http://EmoryCardiology.com

    "Unlike the 2PD-OMER Approach, weight loss diets can't be combined
    with well-balanced diets."
    http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth

  5. On May 15, 2:38 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    convicted neighbor Kumar said:
    Andrew said:

    convicted neighbor Kumar wrote:
    > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
    > > convicted neighbor Kumar wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > > Hello,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > > "The important message is people shouldn't be happy just because they
    > > > look thin; it's not about looking fit or looking thin, it's about
    > > > being healthy.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > > "You can look healthy, but have a lot of fat internally, which can
    > > > have a detrimental effect on your health."
    > > > When you exercise you tend to burn the internal fat," said Prof Bell.
    > > > "Lifestyle changes have to include physical activity. It is not just
    > > > enough to diet."
    > > >http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/12/11/nfat1...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > > In one news, it is also indicated that decreasing weight by diet
    > > > reduction, may increase internal fats. I think, this may point out
    > > > importance of excercise in diabetes not just diet control. It may also
    > > > indicates internal fats (I think Visceral fats) may be relating to
    > > > immediate energy needs, in case other energy stores or other fat
    > > > stores are resisted or restricted.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > > What can be the purpose of getting internal fats or greater visceral
    > > > adiposity other than their pathological effects

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > The purpose of visceral adipose tissue (VAT) is solely pathological.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > We have disscussed it earlier.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Correct.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > However I am trying to understand more
    > in view of above link, diet control resulting formation of internal
    > fats and excercising controling these?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Dieting is harmful especially when there is still overeating.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Regimented vigorous exercise is not necessary for losing VAT.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    If this weren't true, all paraplegics (and other folks unable to
    exercise) would end up with too much VAT. Instead, prisoners in
    solitary confinement or POWs without exercise yard privileges are
    eventually released with little to no VAT.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    All that is necessary for losing VAT is eating less down to at least
    the optimal amount.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > This is by GOD's design to chasten all those who would choose to
    > > overeat, which is a "bad thing:"

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > >http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/overweight.asp

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you hungrier than you have
    > > ever been in your life.

    Quoted message said:

    "Stress and dietary carbohydrates

    Quoted message said:

    Dietary carbohydrate has been known to stimulate SNS activity though a
    number of studies have emphasized the role of insulin. Recent studies
    in rats have demonstrated that adding glucose to the basic diet
    increased SNS activity in peripheral tissues and increased GLUT 4
    activity in interscapular brown adipose tissue and retroperitoneal fat
    (but not in epididymal fat) [272]. Overfeeding results in high insulin
    levels. In the presence of glucose, insulin acts on the brain to
    increase the SNS tone, which, in turn enhances thermogenesis and
    dissipation of excess calories [163]. There is a close relationship
    between postprandial insulinemia, SNS activation, and adipose tissue
    blood flow (ATBF). ATBF increases in response to stress states such as
    exercise or mental stress, and also in response to nutrient intake
    [273]. High insulin levels and increased SNS tone are useful for the
    maintenance of caloric balance, but in the long term they are
    conducive to CHD, hypertension, sudden death, and obesity as the SNS
    receptors become down regulated [163].

    Quoted message said:

    Chronic stress leads to elevated cortisol levels, which may lead to
    accumulation of VAT and metabolic syndrome [274]. Stress-induced
    increased levels of glucocorticoids can also have a major effect on
    food intake [275]. A subset of stressed or depressed humans may
    overeat, especially comfort food (e.g., sugar and fat), in an attempt
    to reduce anxiety and activity in the chronic stress-response network.
    This is supported by the finding that these people have decreased
    cerebrospinal corticosteroid releasing factor, catecholamine
    concentrations, and HPA activity. While comfort foods may calm them
    down in the short term, they may lead to abdominal obesity if this
    becomes a long term "solution." The chronic elevation of systemic
    glucocorticoids may contribute to VAT deposition. By itself, being
    obese may be a stressful stimulus to overeating. A weight loss program
    can be stressful, which can sabotage its success by eliciting the
    release of stress hormones, which, in turn can make a person crave
    high energy foods [275]. Feeding rats a long-term high-sucrose diet
    along with supplemental dexamethasone has been shown to increase fat
    depots and induce liver steatosis [276]. In addition to dietary
    intervention, stress management may improve one's cognitive,
    behavioral, and physiologic responses to stress, including glycemia
    [277].
    nutritionandmetabolism.com12"

    Quoted message said:

    We may have to unerstand, which ANS (autonomus nervous system)
    stimulation is common on persisting hyperglycemia/IR in diabetics
    type2?

    Thankfully, such understanding is not required to eat less down to the
    right amount to lose all the VAT to cure the MetS and possibly even
    the type-2 diabetes:

    http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/overweight.asp

    This Approach now also has a million-dollar guarantee:

    http://TruthRUS.org/Guarantee

    Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,

    Andrew <><
    --
    Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhDhttp://EmoryCardiology.com

    "Unlike the 2PD-OMER Approach, weight loss diets can't be combined
    with well-balanced diets."http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth- Hide quoted text -

    - Show quoted text -

    Is it sure that VAT established all people who overeat?

  6. Hi,
    This was on our nightly local news last night.
    How one can look healthy and yet the un-healthy fat
    is affecting the internal organs.

    I eliminated all soda including diet soda over a decade ago.
    Coffee with milk is my vice and no sugar.

    I heard that coffee will hold fat cells.

    Warmly,
    Christina

  7. convicted neighbor Kumar said:
    Andrew said:
    convicted neighbor Kumar said:

    Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
    > convicted neighbor Kumar wrote:
    > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
    > > > convicted neighbor Kumar wrote:

    Quoted message said:

    > > > > Hello,

    Quoted message said:

    > > > > "The important message is people shouldn't be happy just because they
    > > > > look thin; it's not about looking fit or looking thin, it's about
    > > > > being healthy.

    Quoted message said:

    > > > > "You can look healthy, but have a lot of fat internally, which can
    > > > > have a detrimental effect on your health."
    > > > > When you exercise you tend to burn the internal fat," said Prof Bell.
    > > > > "Lifestyle changes have to include physical activity. It is not just
    > > > > enough to diet."
    > > > >http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/12/11/nfat1...

    Quoted message said:

    > > > > In one news, it is also indicated that decreasing weight by diet
    > > > > reduction, may increase internal fats. I think, this may point out
    > > > > importance of excercise in diabetes not just diet control. It may also
    > > > > indicates internal fats (I think Visceral fats) may be relating to
    > > > > immediate energy needs, in case other energy stores or other fat
    > > > > stores are resisted or restricted.

    Quoted message said:

    > > > > What can be the purpose of getting internal fats or greater visceral
    > > > > adiposity other than their pathological effects

    Quoted message said:

    > > > The purpose of visceral adipose tissue (VAT) is solely pathological.

    Quoted message said:

    > > We have disscussed it earlier.

    Quoted message said:

    > Correct.

    Quoted message said:

    > > However I am trying to understand more
    > > in view of above link, diet control resulting formation of internal
    > > fats and excercising controling these?

    Quoted message said:

    > Dieting is harmful especially when there is still overeating.

    Quoted message said:

    > Regimented vigorous exercise is not necessary for losing VAT.

    Quoted message said:

    > If this weren't true, all paraplegics (and other folks unable to
    > exercise) would end up with too much VAT. Instead, prisoners in
    > solitary confinement or POWs without exercise yard privileges are
    > eventually released with little to no VAT.

    Quoted message said:

    > All that is necessary for losing VAT is eating less down to at least
    > the optimal amount.

    Quoted message said:

    > > > This is by GOD's design to chasten all those who would choose to
    > > > overeat, which is a "bad thing:"

    Quoted message said:

    > > >http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/overweight.asp

    Quoted message said:

    > > > May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you hungrier than you have
    > > > ever been in your life.

    Quoted message said:

    "Stress and dietary carbohydrates

    Quoted message said:

    Dietary carbohydrate has been known to stimulate SNS activity though a
    number of studies have emphasized the role of insulin. Recent studies
    in rats have demonstrated that adding glucose to the basic diet
    increased SNS activity in peripheral tissues and increased GLUT 4
    activity in interscapular brown adipose tissue and retroperitoneal fat
    (but not in epididymal fat) [272]. Overfeeding results in high insulin
    levels. In the presence of glucose, insulin acts on the brain to
    increase the SNS tone, which, in turn enhances thermogenesis and
    dissipation of excess calories [163]. There is a close relationship
    between postprandial insulinemia, SNS activation, and adipose tissue
    blood flow (ATBF). ATBF increases in response to stress states such as
    exercise or mental stress, and also in response to nutrient intake
    [273]. High insulin levels and increased SNS tone are useful for the
    maintenance of caloric balance, but in the long term they are
    conducive to CHD, hypertension, sudden death, and obesity as the SNS
    receptors become down regulated [163].

    Quoted message said:

    Chronic stress leads to elevated cortisol levels, which may lead to
    accumulation of VAT and metabolic syndrome [274]. Stress-induced
    increased levels of glucocorticoids can also have a major effect on
    food intake [275]. A subset of stressed or depressed humans may
    overeat, especially comfort food (e.g., sugar and fat), in an attempt
    to reduce anxiety and activity in the chronic stress-response network.
    This is supported by the finding that these people have decreased
    cerebrospinal corticosteroid releasing factor, catecholamine
    concentrations, and HPA activity. While comfort foods may calm them
    down in the short term, they may lead to abdominal obesity if this
    becomes a long term "solution." The chronic elevation of systemic
    glucocorticoids may contribute to VAT deposition. By itself, being
    obese may be a stressful stimulus to overeating. A weight loss program
    can be stressful, which can sabotage its success by eliciting the
    release of stress hormones, which, in turn can make a person crave
    high energy foods [275]. Feeding rats a long-term high-sucrose diet
    along with supplemental dexamethasone has been shown to increase fat
    depots and induce liver steatosis [276]. In addition to dietary
    intervention, stress management may improve one's cognitive,
    behavioral, and physiologic responses to stress, including glycemia
    [277].
    nutritionandmetabolism.com12"

    Quoted message said:

    We may have to unerstand, which ANS (autonomus nervous system)
    stimulation is common on persisting hyperglycemia/IR in diabetics
    type2?

    Thankfully, such understanding is not required to eat less down to the
    right amount to lose all the VAT to cure the MetS and possibly even
    the type-2 diabetes:

    http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/overweight.asp

    This Approach now also has a million-dollar guarantee:

    http://TruthRUS.org/Guarantee

    Is it sure that VAT established all people who overeat?

    It is established that VAT does not arise in people who do not
    overeat.

    Conversely, VAT disappears when people eat less because of being
    physically compelled by their bariatric surgery only to return when
    the physical limits preventing overeating have failed:

    http://tinyurl.com/3d7n68

    May GOD bless you.

    Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,

    Andrew <><
    --
    Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    http://EmoryCardiology.com

    "Unlike the 2PD-OMER Approach, weight loss diets can't be combined
    with well-balanced diets"
    http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth

  8. "It is established that VAT does not arise in people who do not
    overeat.

    Conversely, VAT disappears when people eat less because of being
    physically compelled by their bariatric surgery only to return when
    the physical limits preventing overeating have failed:

    http://tinyurl.com/3d7n68 "

    Good, at least a try at providing support for assertions. Sorry the
    above abstract does not support the assertion and is only inderectly
    related to the question of vat.

    In fact the above assertion refutes the oppisite assertion made by you
    in past where you said lean people can have vat.

    For the many, and growing, list of unsupported assertions much more
    documented research will be needed to overcome the loss of credability
    you have shown in this area.

    For cardiology related topics we will take you at your word, in this
    area you must show evidence for assertions.

    Sadly it is because you have not kept up on the science in this area,
    you willfully distort evidence in pursuit of a non-science agenda, and
    you ignore science fully refuting that agenda.

    That is not the kind of behavior that increases confidance in bald
    assertions.

    God bless.

  9. Quoted message said:

    "It is established that VAT does not arise in people who do not
    overeat.

    Quoted message said:

    Conversely, VAT disappears when people eat less because of being
    physically compelled by their bariatric surgery only to return when
    the physical limits preventing overeating have failed:

    Quoted message said:

    tinyurl.com3d7n68"

    Quoted message said:

    Good, at least a try at providing support for assertions. Sorry the
    above abstract does not support the assertion and is only inderectly
    related to the question of vat.

    Quoted message said:

    In fact the above assertion refutes the oppisite assertion made by you
    in past where you said lean people can have vat.

    Recent research shows that thin people can have VAT. See
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18594089/

    Also some primate experiments have shown that trans fats can create
    fat deposits for animals on a low calorie diet.

    --
    Ron

  10. Ron Peterson said:
    satan via a sockpuppet (demon) said:

    "It is established that VAT does not arise in people who do not
    overeat.

    Quoted message said:

    Conversely, VAT disappears when people eat less because of being
    physically compelled by their bariatric surgery only to return when
    the physical limits preventing overeating have failed:

    Quoted message said:

    tinyurl.com3d7n68"

    Quoted message said:

    Good, at least a try at providing support for assertions. Sorry the
    above abstract does not support the assertion and is only inderectly
    related to the question of vat.

    Quoted message said:

    In fact the above assertion refutes the oppisite assertion made by you
    in past where you said lean people can have vat.

    Recent research shows that thin people can have VAT. See
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18594089/

    This does happen when people overeat.

    Quoted message said:

    Also some primate experiments have shown that trans fats can create
    fat deposits for animals on a low calorie diet.

    Fat deposits are not the same as VAT, which is living tissue.

    There is much wisdom in eating less down to the right amount thereby
    becoming hungrier (healthier) to lose all the VAT:

    http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/overweight.asp

    May GOD bless you.

    Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,

    Andrew <><
    --
    Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    http://EmoryCardiology.com

    "Unlike the 2PD-OMER Approach, weight loss diets can't be combined
    with well-balanced diets"
    http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth

  11. Quoted message said:

    Recent research shows that thin people can have VAT. See
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18594089/

    "This does happen when people overeat."

    Quoted message said:

    Also some primate experiments have shown that trans fats can create
    fat deposits for animals on a low calorie diet.

    "Fat deposits are not the same as VAT, which is living tissue.

    There is much wisdom in eating less down to the right amount thereby
    becoming hungrier (healthier) to lose all the VAT:"

    Sorry andrew, this is not the kind of assertions which will reclaim for
    you a level of credability in this area of science. We require research
    in support for assertions now. As your last paragraph amply
    illustrates, unsupported assertions are cheap.

    You are not current on the relevant science, you distort science in
    pursuit of a non-science agenda, and you ignore the science which
    refutes out of hand that agenda.

    God bless.

  12. MD/PhD said:
    convicted neighbor Kumar said:
    Andrew said:

    convicted neighbor Kumar wrote:
    > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
    > > convicted neighbor Kumar wrote:
    > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
    > > > > convicted neighbor Kumar wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > > > > Hello,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > > > > "The important message is people shouldn't be happy just because they
    > > > > > look thin; it's not about looking fit or looking thin, it's about
    > > > > > being healthy.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > > > > "You can look healthy, but have a lot of fat internally, which can
    > > > > > have a detrimental effect on your health."
    > > > > > When you exercise you tend to burn the internal fat," said Prof Bell.
    > > > > > "Lifestyle changes have to include physical activity. It is not just
    > > > > > enough to diet."
    > > > > >http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/12/11/nfat1...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > > > > In one news, it is also indicated that decreasing weight by diet
    > > > > > reduction, may increase internal fats. I think, this may point out
    > > > > > importance of excercise in diabetes not just diet control. It may also
    > > > > > indicates internal fats (I think Visceral fats) may be relating to
    > > > > > immediate energy needs, in case other energy stores or other fat
    > > > > > stores are resisted or restricted.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > > > > What can be the purpose of getting internal fats or greater visceral
    > > > > > adiposity other than their pathological effects

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > > > The purpose of visceral adipose tissue (VAT) is solely pathological.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > > We have disscussed it earlier.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > Correct.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > > However I am trying to understand more
    > > > in view of above link, diet control resulting formation of internal
    > > > fats and excercising controling these?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > Dieting is harmful especially when there is still overeating.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > Regimented vigorous exercise is not necessary for losing VAT.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > If this weren't true, all paraplegics (and other folks unable to
    > > exercise) would end up with too much VAT. Instead, prisoners in
    > > solitary confinement or POWs without exercise yard privileges are
    > > eventually released with little to no VAT.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > All that is necessary for losing VAT is eating less down to at least
    > > the optimal amount.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > > > This is by GOD's design to chasten all those who would choose to
    > > > > overeat, which is a "bad thing:"

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > > >http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/overweight.asp

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > > > May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you hungrier than you have
    > > > > ever been in your life.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > "Stress and dietary carbohydrates

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > Dietary carbohydrate has been known to stimulate SNS activity though a
    > number of studies have emphasized the role of insulin. Recent studies
    > in rats have demonstrated that adding glucose to the basic diet
    > increased SNS activity in peripheral tissues and increased GLUT 4
    > activity in interscapular brown adipose tissue and retroperitoneal fat
    > (but not in epididymal fat) [272]. Overfeeding results in high insulin
    > levels. In the presence of glucose, insulin acts on the brain to
    > increase the SNS tone, which, in turn enhances thermogenesis and
    > dissipation of excess calories [163]. There is a close relationship
    > between postprandial insulinemia, SNS activation, and adipose tissue
    > blood flow (ATBF). ATBF increases in response to stress states such as
    > exercise or mental stress, and also in response to nutrient intake
    > [273]. High insulin levels and increased SNS tone are useful for the
    > maintenance of caloric balance, but in the long term they are
    > conducive to CHD, hypertension, sudden death, and obesity as the SNS
    > receptors become down regulated [163].

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > Chronic stress leads to elevated cortisol levels, which may lead to
    > accumulation of VAT and metabolic syndrome [274]. Stress-induced
    > increased levels of glucocorticoids can also have a major effect on
    > food intake [275]. A subset of stressed or depressed humans may
    > overeat, especially comfort food (e.g., sugar and fat), in an attempt
    > to reduce anxiety and activity in the chronic stress-response network.
    > This is supported by the finding that these people have decreased
    > cerebrospinal corticosteroid releasing factor, catecholamine
    > concentrations, and HPA activity. While comfort foods may calm them
    > down in the short term, they may lead to abdominal obesity if this
    > becomes a long term "solution." The chronic elevation of systemic
    > glucocorticoids may contribute to VAT deposition. By itself, being
    > obese may be a stressful stimulus to overeating. A weight loss program
    > can be stressful, which can sabotage its success by eliciting the
    > release of stress hormones, which, in turn can make a person crave
    > high energy foods [275]. Feeding rats a long-term high-sucrose diet
    > along with supplemental dexamethasone has been shown to increase fat
    > depots and induce liver steatosis [276]. In addition to dietary
    > intervention, stress management may improve one's cognitive,
    > behavioral, and physiologic responses to stress, including glycemia
    > [277].
    >http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/1/1/12"

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > We may have to unerstand, which ANS (autonomus nervous system)
    > stimulation is common on persisting hyperglycemia/IR in diabetics
    > type2?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Thankfully, such understanding is not required to eat less down to the
    right amount to lose all the VAT to cure the MetS and possibly even
    the type-2 diabetes:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/overweight.asp

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    This Approach now also has a million-dollar guarantee:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    http://TruthRUS.org/Guarantee

    Quoted message said:

    Is it sure that VAT established all people who overeat?

    It is established that VAT does not arise in people who do not
    overeat.


    How three main source--carbs, fats and protiens are related to vat
    formations individualy?

    Quoted message said:

    Conversely, VAT disappears when people eat less because of being
    physically compelled by their bariatric surgery only to return when
    the physical limits preventing overeating have failed:

    http://tinyurl.com/3d7n68

    May GOD bless you.

    Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,

    Andrew <><
    --
    Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhDhttp://EmoryCardiology.com

    "Unlike the 2PD-OMER Approach, weight loss diets can't be combined
    with well-balanced diets"http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth- Hide quoted text -

    - Show quoted text -

    Does eating less carbs reduces vats?

  13. convicted neighbor Kumar said:
    Andrew said:
    convicted neighbor Kumar said:

    Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
    > convicted neighbor Kumar wrote:
    > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
    > > > convicted neighbor Kumar wrote:
    > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
    > > > > > convicted neighbor Kumar wrote:

    Quoted message said:

    > > > > > > Hello,

    Quoted message said:

    > > > > > > "The important message is people shouldn't be happy just because they
    > > > > > > look thin; it's not about looking fit or looking thin, it's about
    > > > > > > being healthy.

    Quoted message said:

    > > > > > > "You can look healthy, but have a lot of fat internally, which can
    > > > > > > have a detrimental effect on your health."
    > > > > > > When you exercise you tend to burn the internal fat," said Prof Bell.
    > > > > > > "Lifestyle changes have to include physical activity. It is not just
    > > > > > > enough to diet."
    > > > > > >http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/12/11/nfat1...

    Quoted message said:

    > > > > > > In one news, it is also indicated that decreasing weight by diet
    > > > > > > reduction, may increase internal fats. I think, this may point out
    > > > > > > importance of excercise in diabetes not just diet control. It may also
    > > > > > > indicates internal fats (I think Visceral fats) may be relating to
    > > > > > > immediate energy needs, in case other energy stores or other fat
    > > > > > > stores are resisted or restricted.

    Quoted message said:

    > > > > > > What can be the purpose of getting internal fats or greater visceral
    > > > > > > adiposity other than their pathological effects

    Quoted message said:

    > > > > > The purpose of visceral adipose tissue (VAT) is solely pathological.

    Quoted message said:

    > > > > We have disscussed it earlier.

    Quoted message said:

    > > > Correct.

    Quoted message said:

    > > > > However I am trying to understand more
    > > > > in view of above link, diet control resulting formation of internal
    > > > > fats and excercising controling these?

    Quoted message said:

    > > > Dieting is harmful especially when there is still overeating.

    Quoted message said:

    > > > Regimented vigorous exercise is not necessary for losing VAT.

    Quoted message said:

    > > > If this weren't true, all paraplegics (and other folks unable to
    > > > exercise) would end up with too much VAT. Instead, prisoners in
    > > > solitary confinement or POWs without exercise yard privileges are
    > > > eventually released with little to no VAT.

    Quoted message said:

    > > > All that is necessary for losing VAT is eating less down to at least
    > > > the optimal amount.

    Quoted message said:

    > > > > > This is by GOD's design to chasten all those who would choose to
    > > > > > overeat, which is a "bad thing:"

    Quoted message said:

    > > > > >http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/overweight.asp

    Quoted message said:

    > > > > > May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you hungrier than you have
    > > > > > ever been in your life.

    Quoted message said:

    > > "Stress and dietary carbohydrates

    Quoted message said:

    > > Dietary carbohydrate has been known to stimulate SNS activity though a
    > > number of studies have emphasized the role of insulin. Recent studies
    > > in rats have demonstrated that adding glucose to the basic diet
    > > increased SNS activity in peripheral tissues and increased GLUT 4
    > > activity in interscapular brown adipose tissue and retroperitoneal fat
    > > (but not in epididymal fat) [272]. Overfeeding results in high insulin
    > > levels. In the presence of glucose, insulin acts on the brain to
    > > increase the SNS tone, which, in turn enhances thermogenesis and
    > > dissipation of excess calories [163]. There is a close relationship
    > > between postprandial insulinemia, SNS activation, and adipose tissue
    > > blood flow (ATBF). ATBF increases in response to stress states such as
    > > exercise or mental stress, and also in response to nutrient intake
    > > [273]. High insulin levels and increased SNS tone are useful for the
    > > maintenance of caloric balance, but in the long term they are
    > > conducive to CHD, hypertension, sudden death, and obesity as the SNS
    > > receptors become down regulated [163].

    Quoted message said:

    > > Chronic stress leads to elevated cortisol levels, which may lead to
    > > accumulation of VAT and metabolic syndrome [274]. Stress-induced
    > > increased levels of glucocorticoids can also have a major effect on
    > > food intake [275]. A subset of stressed or depressed humans may
    > > overeat, especially comfort food (e.g., sugar and fat), in an attempt
    > > to reduce anxiety and activity in the chronic stress-response network.
    > > This is supported by the finding that these people have decreased
    > > cerebrospinal corticosteroid releasing factor, catecholamine
    > > concentrations, and HPA activity. While comfort foods may calm them
    > > down in the short term, they may lead to abdominal obesity if this
    > > becomes a long term "solution." The chronic elevation of systemic
    > > glucocorticoids may contribute to VAT deposition. By itself, being
    > > obese may be a stressful stimulus to overeating. A weight loss program
    > > can be stressful, which can sabotage its success by eliciting the
    > > release of stress hormones, which, in turn can make a person crave
    > > high energy foods [275]. Feeding rats a long-term high-sucrose diet
    > > along with supplemental dexamethasone has been shown to increase fat
    > > depots and induce liver steatosis [276]. In addition to dietary
    > > intervention, stress management may improve one's cognitive,
    > > behavioral, and physiologic responses to stress, including glycemia
    > > [277].
    > >http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/1/1/12"

    Quoted message said:

    > > We may have to unerstand, which ANS (autonomus nervous system)
    > > stimulation is common on persisting hyperglycemia/IR in diabetics
    > > type2?

    Quoted message said:

    > Thankfully, such understanding is not required to eat less down to the
    > right amount to lose all the VAT to cure the MetS and possibly even
    > the type-2 diabetes:

    Quoted message said:

    >http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/overweight.asp

    Quoted message said:

    > This Approach now also has a million-dollar guarantee:

    Quoted message said:

    >http://TruthRUS.org/Guarantee

    Quoted message said:

    Is it sure that VAT established all people who overeat?

    It is established that VAT does not arise in people who do not
    overeat.

    How three main source--carbs, fats and protiens are related to vat
    formations individualy?

    If the food is well balanced in all nutrients including the three
    macro-nutrients, it will taste good and make us feel hungrier
    (healthier) as we eat it. If we eat an optimal amount, we become
    maximally hungrier (healthier). This latter state ensures that VAT is
    removed. This is by GOD's design because HE is the Source of hunger
    (Deuteronomy 8:3)

    Quoted message said:

    Does eating less carbs reduces vats?

    Not by itself. See above.

    You remain in my prayers, dear neighbor Kumar whom I love
    unconditionally.

    Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,

    Andrew <><
    --
    Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    http://EmoryCardiology.com

    "Unlike the 2PD-OMER Approach, weight loss diets can't be combined
    with well-balanced diets."
    http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth

  14. MD/PhD said:

    Ron Peterson wrote:

    Quoted message said:

    Fat deposits are not the same as VAT, which is living tissue.

    Aren't all fat cells living tissue? How is fat stored in the body if
    not in fat cells? How does the fatty acid composition differ between
    VAT and subcutaneous fat?

    --
    Ron

  15. Kumar said:

    On May 15, 11:47 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"

    Quoted message said:
    convicted neighbor Kumar said:

    Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
    > convicted neighbor Kumar wrote:
    > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
    > > > convicted neighbor Kumar wrote:
    > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
    > > > > > convicted neighbor Kumar wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > > > > > Hello,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > > > > > "The important message is people shouldn't be happy just because they
    > > > > > > look thin; it's not about looking fit or looking thin, it's about
    > > > > > > being healthy.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > > > > > "You can look healthy, but have a lot of fat internally, which can
    > > > > > > have a detrimental effect on your health."
    > > > > > > When you exercise you tend to burn the internal fat," said Prof Bell.
    > > > > > > "Lifestyle changes have to include physical activity. It is not just
    > > > > > > enough to diet."
    > > > > > >http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/12/11/nfat1...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > > > > > In one news, it is also indicated that decreasing weight by diet
    > > > > > > reduction, may increase internal fats. I think, this may point out
    > > > > > > importance of excercise in diabetes not just diet control. It may also
    > > > > > > indicates internal fats (I think Visceral fats) may be relating to
    > > > > > > immediate energy needs, in case other energy stores or other fat
    > > > > > > stores are resisted or restricted.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > > > > > What can be the purpose of getting internal fats or greater visceral
    > > > > > > adiposity other than their pathological effects

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > > > > The purpose of visceral adipose tissue (VAT) is solely pathological.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > > > We have disscussed it earlier.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > > Correct.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > > > However I am trying to understand more
    > > > > in view of above link, diet control resulting formation of internal
    > > > > fats and excercising controling these?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > > Dieting is harmful especially when there is still overeating.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > > Regimented vigorous exercise is not necessary for losing VAT.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > > If this weren't true, all paraplegics (and other folks unable to
    > > > exercise) would end up with too much VAT. Instead, prisoners in
    > > > solitary confinement or POWs without exercise yard privileges are
    > > > eventually released with little to no VAT.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > > All that is necessary for losing VAT is eating less down to at least
    > > > the optimal amount.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > > > > This is by GOD's design to chasten all those who would choose to
    > > > > > overeat, which is a "bad thing:"

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > > > >http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/overweight.asp

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > > > > May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you hungrier than you have
    > > > > > ever been in your life.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > "Stress and dietary carbohydrates

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > Dietary carbohydrate has been known to stimulate SNS activity though a
    > > number of studies have emphasized the role of insulin. Recent studies
    > > in rats have demonstrated that adding glucose to the basic diet
    > > increased SNS activity in peripheral tissues and increased GLUT 4
    > > activity in interscapular brown adipose tissue and retroperitoneal fat
    > > (but not in epididymal fat) [272]. Overfeeding results in high insulin
    > > levels. In the presence of glucose, insulin acts on the brain to
    > > increase the SNS tone, which, in turn enhances thermogenesis and
    > > dissipation of excess calories [163]. There is a close relationship
    > > between postprandial insulinemia, SNS activation, and adipose tissue
    > > blood flow (ATBF). ATBF increases in response to stress states such as
    > > exercise or mental stress, and also in response to nutrient intake
    > > [273]. High insulin levels and increased SNS tone are useful for the
    > > maintenance of caloric balance, but in the long term they are
    > > conducive to CHD, hypertension, sudden death, and obesity as the SNS
    > > receptors become down regulated [163].

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > Chronic stress leads to elevated cortisol levels, which may lead to
    > > accumulation of VAT and metabolic syndrome [274]. Stress-induced
    > > increased levels of glucocorticoids can also have a major effect on
    > > food intake [275]. A subset of stressed or depressed humans may
    > > overeat, especially comfort food (e.g., sugar and fat), in an attempt
    > > to reduce anxiety and activity in the chronic stress-response network.
    > > This is supported by the finding that these people have decreased
    > > cerebrospinal corticosteroid releasing factor, catecholamine
    > > concentrations, and HPA activity. While comfort foods may calm them
    > > down in the short term, they may lead to abdominal obesity if this
    > > becomes a long term "solution." The chronic elevation of systemic
    > > glucocorticoids may contribute to VAT deposition. By itself, being
    > > obese may be a stressful stimulus to overeating. A weight loss program
    > > can be stressful, which can sabotage its success by eliciting the
    > > release of stress hormones, which, in turn can make a person crave
    > > high energy foods [275]. Feeding rats a long-term high-sucrose diet
    > > along with supplemental dexamethasone has been shown to increase fat
    > > depots and induce liver steatosis [276]. In addition to dietary
    > > intervention, stress management may improve one's cognitive,
    > > behavioral, and physiologic responses to stress, including glycemia
    > > [277].
    > >http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/1/1/12"

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > We may have to unerstand, which ANS (autonomus nervous system)
    > > stimulation is common on persisting hyperglycemia/IR in diabetics
    > > type2?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > Thankfully, such understanding is not required to eat less down to the
    > right amount to lose all the VAT to cure the MetS and possibly even
    > the type-2 diabetes:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/overweight.asp

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > This Approach now also has a million-dollar guarantee:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >http://TruthRUS.org/Guarantee

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Is it sure that VAT established all people who overeat?

    Quoted message said:

    It is established that VAT does not arise in people who do not
    overeat.

    How three main source--carbs, fats and protiens are related to vat
    formations individualy?

    Quoted message said:

    Conversely, VAT disappears when people eat less because of being
    physically compelled by their bariatric surgery only to return when
    the physical limits preventing overeating have failed:

    Quoted message said:

    http://tinyurl.com/3d7n68

    Quoted message said:

    May GOD bless you.

    Quoted message said:

    Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,

    Quoted message said:

    Andrew <><
    --
    Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhDhttp://EmoryCardiology.com

    Quoted message said:

    "Unlike the 2PD-OMER Approach, weight loss diets can't be combined
    with well-balanced diets"http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth-Hide quoted text -

    Quoted message said:

    - Show quoted text -

    Does eating less carbs reduces vats?- Hide quoted text -


    Whether insulin or more insulin add or reduce vat? Any relation of
    insulin or more insulin with vat?

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  16. Ron Peterson said:
    Andrew said:

    Ron Peterson wrote:

    Quoted message said:

    Fat deposits are not the same as VAT, which is living tissue.

    Aren't all fat cells living tissue?

    They are.

    Quoted message said:

    How is fat stored in the body if not in fat cells?

    Fat deposits refer to the accumulation of fat outside of adipose
    tissue.

    One example would be atheromatous precursor known as the fatty streak
    on the inside surface of a large artery. The cells involved are not
    fat cells.

    Quoted message said:

    How does the fatty acid composition differ between
    VAT and subcutaneous fat?

    Less omega-3 fatty acids.

    May GOD bless you.

    Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,

    Andrew <><
    --
    Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    http://EmoryCardiology.com

    "Unlike the 2PD-OMER Approach, weight loss diets can't be combined
    with well-balanced diets."
    http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth

  17. convicted neighbor Kumar said:
    convicted neighbor Kumar said:
    Andrew said:

    convicted neighbor Kumar wrote:
    > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
    > > convicted neighbor Kumar wrote:
    > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
    > > > > convicted neighbor Kumar wrote:
    > > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
    > > > > > > convicted neighbor Kumar wrote:

    Quoted message said:

    > > > > > > > Hello,

    Quoted message said:

    > > > > > > > "The important message is people shouldn't be happy just because they
    > > > > > > > look thin; it's not about looking fit or looking thin, it's about
    > > > > > > > being healthy.

    Quoted message said:

    > > > > > > > "You can look healthy, but have a lot of fat internally, which can
    > > > > > > > have a detrimental effect on your health."
    > > > > > > > When you exercise you tend to burn the internal fat," said Prof Bell.
    > > > > > > > "Lifestyle changes have to include physical activity. It is not just
    > > > > > > > enough to diet."
    > > > > > > >http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/12/11/nfat1...

    Quoted message said:

    > > > > > > > In one news, it is also indicated that decreasing weight by diet
    > > > > > > > reduction, may increase internal fats. I think, this may point out
    > > > > > > > importance of excercise in diabetes not just diet control. It may also
    > > > > > > > indicates internal fats (I think Visceral fats) may be relating to
    > > > > > > > immediate energy needs, in case other energy stores or other fat
    > > > > > > > stores are resisted or restricted.

    Quoted message said:

    > > > > > > > What can be the purpose of getting internal fats or greater visceral
    > > > > > > > adiposity other than their pathological effects

    Quoted message said:

    > > > > > > The purpose of visceral adipose tissue (VAT) is solely pathological.

    Quoted message said:

    > > > > > We have disscussed it earlier.

    Quoted message said:

    > > > > Correct.

    Quoted message said:

    > > > > > However I am trying to understand more
    > > > > > in view of above link, diet control resulting formation of internal
    > > > > > fats and excercising controling these?

    Quoted message said:

    > > > > Dieting is harmful especially when there is still overeating.

    Quoted message said:

    > > > > Regimented vigorous exercise is not necessary for losing VAT.

    Quoted message said:

    > > > > If this weren't true, all paraplegics (and other folks unable to
    > > > > exercise) would end up with too much VAT. Instead, prisoners in
    > > > > solitary confinement or POWs without exercise yard privileges are
    > > > > eventually released with little to no VAT.

    Quoted message said:

    > > > > All that is necessary for losing VAT is eating less down to at least
    > > > > the optimal amount.

    Quoted message said:

    > > > > > > This is by GOD's design to chasten all those who would choose to
    > > > > > > overeat, which is a "bad thing:"

    Quoted message said:

    > > > > > >http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/overweight.asp

    Quoted message said:

    > > > > > > May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you hungrier than you have
    > > > > > > ever been in your life.

    Quoted message said:

    > > > "Stress and dietary carbohydrates

    Quoted message said:

    > > > Dietary carbohydrate has been known to stimulate SNS activity though a
    > > > number of studies have emphasized the role of insulin. Recent studies
    > > > in rats have demonstrated that adding glucose to the basic diet
    > > > increased SNS activity in peripheral tissues and increased GLUT 4
    > > > activity in interscapular brown adipose tissue and retroperitoneal fat
    > > > (but not in epididymal fat) [272]. Overfeeding results in high insulin
    > > > levels. In the presence of glucose, insulin acts on the brain to
    > > > increase the SNS tone, which, in turn enhances thermogenesis and
    > > > dissipation of excess calories [163]. There is a close relationship
    > > > between postprandial insulinemia, SNS activation, and adipose tissue
    > > > blood flow (ATBF). ATBF increases in response to stress states such as
    > > > exercise or mental stress, and also in response to nutrient intake
    > > > [273]. High insulin levels and increased SNS tone are useful for the
    > > > maintenance of caloric balance, but in the long term they are
    > > > conducive to CHD, hypertension, sudden death, and obesity as the SNS
    > > > receptors become down regulated [163].

    Quoted message said:

    > > > Chronic stress leads to elevated cortisol levels, which may lead to
    > > > accumulation of VAT and metabolic syndrome [274]. Stress-induced
    > > > increased levels of glucocorticoids can also have a major effect on
    > > > food intake [275]. A subset of stressed or depressed humans may
    > > > overeat, especially comfort food (e.g., sugar and fat), in an attempt
    > > > to reduce anxiety and activity in the chronic stress-response network.
    > > > This is supported by the finding that these people have decreased
    > > > cerebrospinal corticosteroid releasing factor, catecholamine
    > > > concentrations, and HPA activity. While comfort foods may calm them
    > > > down in the short term, they may lead to abdominal obesity if this
    > > > becomes a long term "solution." The chronic elevation of systemic
    > > > glucocorticoids may contribute to VAT deposition. By itself, being
    > > > obese may be a stressful stimulus to overeating. A weight loss program
    > > > can be stressful, which can sabotage its success by eliciting the
    > > > release of stress hormones, which, in turn can make a person crave
    > > > high energy foods [275]. Feeding rats a long-term high-sucrose diet
    > > > along with supplemental dexamethasone has been shown to increase fat
    > > > depots and induce liver steatosis [276]. In addition to dietary
    > > > intervention, stress management may improve one's cognitive,
    > > > behavioral, and physiologic responses to stress, including glycemia
    > > > [277].
    > > >http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/1/1/12"

    Quoted message said:

    > > > We may have to unerstand, which ANS (autonomus nervous system)
    > > > stimulation is common on persisting hyperglycemia/IR in diabetics
    > > > type2?

    Quoted message said:

    > > Thankfully, such understanding is not required to eat less down to the
    > > right amount to lose all the VAT to cure the MetS and possibly even
    > > the type-2 diabetes:

    Quoted message said:

    > >http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/overweight.asp

    Quoted message said:

    > > This Approach now also has a million-dollar guarantee:

    Quoted message said:

    > >http://TruthRUS.org/Guarantee

    Quoted message said:

    > Is it sure that VAT established all people who overeat?

    Quoted message said:

    It is established that VAT does not arise in people who do not
    overeat.

    Does eating less carbs reduces vats?

    Not by itself.

    Quoted message said:

    Whether insulin or more insulin add or reduce vat? Any relation of
    insulin or more insulin with vat?

    More VAT means more insulin resistance.

    May GOD bless you.

    Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,

    Andrew <><
    --
    Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    http://EmoryCardiology.com

    "Unlike the 2PD-OMER Approach, weight loss diets can't be combined
    with well-balanced diets."
    http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth

  18. On May 16, 12:22 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    convicted neighbor Kumar wrote:


    snip> > > > > Is it sure that VAT established all people who overeat?

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > It is established that VAT does not arise in people who do not
    > overeat.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Does eating less carbs reduces vats?

    Not by itself.

    Quoted message said:

    Whether insulin or more insulin add or reduce vat? Any relation of
    insulin or more insulin with vat?

    More VAT means more insulin resistance.


    Can more insulin may mean more VAT as more SCAT?

    How nutrients behave with water within blood vessels?

    Can fats/lipids and protiens decrease blood glucose levels apart from
    benefitting many inflammatory and other diseases?

    Quoted message said:

    May GOD bless you.

    Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,

    Andrew <><
    --
    Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhDhttp://EmoryCardiology.com

    "Unlike the 2PD-OMER Approach, weight loss diets can't be combined
    with well-balanced diets."http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth- Hide quoted text -

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  19. On May 16, 12:18 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Ron Peterson said:
    Andrew said:

    Ron Peterson wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Fat deposits are not the same as VAT, which is living tissue.

    Quoted message said:

    Aren't all fat cells living tissue?

    They are.

    Quoted message said:

    How is fat stored in the body if not in fat cells?

    Fat deposits refer to the accumulation of fat outside of adipose
    tissue.

    One example would be atheromatous precursor known as the fatty streak
    on the inside surface of a large artery. The cells involved are not
    fat cells.

    Quoted message said:

    How does the fatty acid composition differ between
    VAT and subcutaneous fat?

    Less omega-3 fatty acids.

    Whether energy is quickly released on breakdown of these?

    "Fat also serves as a useful buffer towards a host of diseases. When a
    particular substance, whether chemical or biotic -- reaches unsafe
    levels in the bloodstream, the body can effectively dilute -- or at
    least maintain equilibrium of -- the offending substances by storing
    it in new fat tissue. This helps to protect vital organs, until such
    time as the offending substances can be metabolized and/or removed
    from the body by such means as excretion, urination, accidental or
    intentional bloodletting, sebum excretion, and hair growth.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fat "

    Can above be the purpose of getting VAT?

    Quoted message said:

    May GOD bless you.

    Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,

    Andrew <><
    --
    Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhDhttp://EmoryCardiology.com

    "Unlike the 2PD-OMER Approach, weight loss diets can't be combined
    with well-balanced diets."http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth

  20. convicted neighbor Kumar said:
    Andrew said:
    Ron Peterson said:

    Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
    > Ron Peterson wrote:

    Quoted message said:

    > Fat deposits are not the same as VAT, which is living tissue.

    Quoted message said:

    Aren't all fat cells living tissue?

    They are.

    Quoted message said:

    How is fat stored in the body if not in fat cells?

    Fat deposits refer to the accumulation of fat outside of adipose
    tissue.

    One example would be atheromatous precursor known as the fatty streak
    on the inside surface of a large artery. The cells involved are not
    fat cells.

    Quoted message said:

    How does the fatty acid composition differ between
    VAT and subcutaneous fat?

    Less omega-3 fatty acids.

    Whether energy is quickly released on breakdown of these?

    No.

    The carbon-carbon chemical bond energy is converted in mitochondria
    via the Krebs Cycle and Complex I-IV into potential electro-chemical
    gradient energy across the inner mitochondrial membrane to be utilized
    in the phosphorylation of ADP to ATP via the F0F1 ATP-synthase
    (Complex V).

    Quoted message said:

    "Fat also serves as a useful buffer towards a host of diseases. When a
    particular substance, whether chemical or biotic -- reaches unsafe
    levels in the bloodstream, the body can effectively dilute -- or at
    least maintain equilibrium of -- the offending substances by storing
    it in new fat tissue. This helps to protect vital organs, until such
    time as the offending substances can be metabolized and/or removed
    from the body by such means as excretion, urination, accidental or
    intentional bloodletting, sebum excretion, and hair growth.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fat "

    Can above be the purpose of getting VAT?

    No.

    The purpose of VAT is wholly pathological per the infinite will of
    LORD Almighty GOD per HIS design to chasten us for overeating.

    May GOD bless you.

    Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,

    Andrew <><
    --
    Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    http://EmoryCardiology.com

    "Unlike the 2PD-OMER Approach, weight loss diets can't be combined
    with well-balanced diets."
    http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth

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