Re: I need help!

On Wed, 30 Mar 2005, "\"Barely Legal\" Daedalus" <[email hidden]>

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No idea why anyone uses a remailer, but supposedly they have a
legitimate 'free speech' use.

Posting with remailers stops cyberstalkers like Lady Veteran dead in their
tracks. It also makes the puny [censored] of netKKKops like Gandalf go limp.

On Wed, 30 Mar 2005, "\"Barely Legal\" Daedalus" <[email hidden]>

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No idea why anyone uses a remailer, but supposedly they have a
legitimate 'free speech' use.

Posting with remailers stops cyberstalkers like Lady Veteran dead in their
tracks. It also makes the puny [censored] of netKKKops like Gandalf go limp.

"\"Barely Legal\" Daedalus" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Google a bit further than the name and you will learn the whole story.
Besides why would this "Catharine Honeyman" use a remailer if she is
legitimate.

No idea why anyone uses a remailer, but supposedly they have a
legitimate 'free speech' use.

Jade

Thats their purpose but at least 90% of the traffic thru them seems to be
people dodging their ISPs Terms of Service or the Acceptable Use Agreement
that they signed

Gandalf Parker

"\"Barely Legal\" Daedalus" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Google a bit further than the name and you will learn the whole story.
Besides why would this "Catharine Honeyman" use a remailer if she is
legitimate.

No idea why anyone uses a remailer, but supposedly they have a
legitimate 'free speech' use.

Jade

Thats their purpose but at least 90% of the traffic thru them seems to be
people dodging their ISPs Terms of Service or the Acceptable Use Agreement
that they signed

Gandalf Parker

On 31 Mar 2005 02:29:37 -0000, [email hidden]

(Gandolf Parker) said:

On Wed, 30 Mar 2005, "\"Barely Legal\" Daedalus" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

No idea why anyone uses a remailer, but supposedly they have a
legitimate 'free speech' use.

Posting with remailers stops cyberstalkers like Lady Veteran dead in their
tracks. It also makes the puny [censored] of netKKKops like Gandalf go limp.

These are both very good points!

Jade

stopthecravings <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Well I have tried that approach and I'm now finding myself to be

almost

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350lbs. I wish I knew what triggered my eating and obsession of it.
Thank you for your comments.

First I would suggest posting and following the group alt.support.diet
as I think you will find it far more useful to you. I haven't followed
the fat acceptance group at all but judging from their responses to
your question, you will not find much support in that group for weight
loss. ASD is available on Google groups.

The best way to determine what is triggering your obsession with
eating is to record everything that you eat for the next several days.
Write down what you eat, how much you eat of it, and if applicable the
reason you are eating it. IE are you eating because you are hungry, or
because you are bored, sad, tired, depressed, angry, happy, etc.

Best of luck,
Matthew
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Logically I know that eating 1 lean cuisine for an entire day's worth of food,
is way way way low for calories. I mean, it's like 150-380 calories (depending
which one I eat) and I really don't think that 150-380 calories in a day will
cause me to gain weight.

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know, why don't I just lose weight the "healthy" way? Well, for one, my
dietician wouldn't put me on a weight loss meal plan because she said that I am
at my "ideal" weight for my height as it is, and I cann't afford to lose any
weight.

Sounds like you have an eating disorder.
Go see a psyhciatrist.

Terry Schiavo became a vegetable because of her eating disorder
causing hypokalemia and a consequent cardiac arrest.
Surely, you dont want to be making world wide headlines in a few years.

Quoting israel:

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Logically I know that eating 1 lean cuisine for an entire day's worth of food,
is way way way low for calories. I mean, it's like 150-380 calories (depending
which one I eat) and I really don't think that 150-380 calories in a day will
cause me to gain weight.

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know, why don't I just lose weight the "healthy" way? Well, for one, my
dietician wouldn't put me on a weight loss meal plan because she said that I am
at my "ideal" weight for my height as it is, and I cann't afford to lose any
weight.

Sounds like you have an eating disorder.
Go see a psyhciatrist.

What part of:

"And my brain is so brainwashed by the eating disorder,"

did you miss in the original post in your rush to "diagnose"?

You usenet armchair psychologists that have watched a few talk shows,
read a few self-help books, etc etc. and are desirous to show your
"knowledge" slay me.

Suze said:

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Go see a psyhciatrist.

What part of:
"And my brain is so brainwashed by the eating disorder,"
did you miss in the original post in your rush to "diagnose"?

I am primarily concerned about the consequences (both
non-fatal and fatal ) of the eating disorder.

I have no need to "diagnose" as you put it so quaintly :-)

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She is already seeing a psychiatrist. There is nothing magical about
psychiatry.

Unfortunately, there is nothing magical about anything, whether it be
chemotherapy for cancer, a 757 or eating sensibly.

You do not need magic to benefit from something.

Quoting Carol Frilegh:

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Suze, do what you want to

The discussion at hand doesn't have anything to do with what I
personally choose to eat. Strange that you'd feel the need to suggest
that it might, though.

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but one Lean Cusine is not enough nourishment for one day.

Really?? Who knew?!?

Like israel, you seem to have serious reading comprehension problems.

Now, for the *second* time, OP stated "And my brain is so brainwashed by
the eating disorder,"

then is told "Sounds like you have an eating disorder. Go see a
psyhciatrist." (sic)

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You have chosen to particpoate in a support group for weight control
nd our FAQs emphasize healthy methods not extremes.

Funny that you'd attempt to imply that I'm not in favor of healthy
methods, especially since I've suggested no such thing in my comments on
this thread (or elsewhere).

It seems that you're rather fond of non sequiturs.

Oh, and hate to break it to ya, but you're crossposting to three
different newsgroups.

Try to keep up.

Quoting israel:

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I am primarily concerned about the consequences (both
non-fatal and fatal ) of the eating disorder.

Your concern for the eating disordered is quite touching. So is your
concern for the starving.

http://tinyurl.com/45b9q

Suze said:

Quoting israel:

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I am primarily concerned about the consequences (both
non-fatal and fatal ) of the eating disorder.

Your concern for the eating disordered is quite touching. So is your
concern for the starving.

http://tinyurl.com/45b9q

Ha! busted!

Suze said:

Your concern for the eating disordered is quite touching. So is your
concern for the starving.

Yeah, I suggest feeding the obese to the starving.

Mac Blubber Fry would be a favorite in Biafra.

You gained weight because you ate too much.

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"Carol Frilegh" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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In article <[email hidden]>, israel

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Psychiatric drugs are responsible for many cases of obesity.

Good point.

I gained sixty pounds rapidly on Lithium carbonate. Lithium is a slat
and fosters fluid retention, but hardly 60 pounds worth.

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Diva
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israel <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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Suze said:

Your concern for the eating disordered is quite touching. So is your
concern for the starving.

Yeah, I suggest feeding the obese to the starving.

Mac Blubber Fry would be a favorite in Biafra.

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Yes, but. The caveat is that when a person goes on certain drugs, the
amount of food that was previously not too much is all of a sudden
enough to cause weight gain. That's a different challenge than with
someone like me who was all along eating too much and gradually gaining
weight over time.

In article <[email hidden]>,

JC Der Koenig said:

You gained weight because you ate too much.

--
Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW

"Carol Frilegh" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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In article <[email hidden]>, israel

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[email hidden] writes:

> Psychiatric drugs are responsible for many cases of obesity.

Good point.

I gained sixty pounds rapidly on Lithium carbonate. Lithium is a slat
and fosters fluid retention, but hardly 60 pounds worth.

--
Diva
*****
The Best Man For The Job Is A Woman

60 pounds pounds of weight gain doesn't come as a surprise, and won't be
caused by lithium alone.

--
Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW

"Luna" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Yes, but. The caveat is that when a person goes on certain drugs, the
amount of food that was previously not too much is all of a sudden
enough to cause weight gain. That's a different challenge than with
someone like me who was all along eating too much and gradually gaining
weight over time.

In article <[email hidden]>,

JC Der Koenig said:

You gained weight because you ate too much.

--
Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW

"Carol Frilegh" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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In article <[email hidden]>, israel
<[email hidden]> wrote:

> [email hidden] writes:
>
> > Psychiatric drugs are responsible for many cases of obesity.
>
> Good point.

I gained sixty pounds rapidly on Lithium carbonate. Lithium is a slat
and fosters fluid retention, but hardly 60 pounds worth.

--
Diva
*****
The Best Man For The Job Is A Woman

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Zyprexa is one of the top ten selling drugz in the USA. Zyprexa causes massive
weight gain and causes diabetes. Most psychiatric drugz cause weight gain but
Zyprexa is the worst.

Seroquel is now being marketed for the same indication, but with a "causes less
weight gain" byline.

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Zyprexa is one of the top ten selling drugz in the USA. Zyprexa causes
massive
weight gain and causes diabetes. Most psychiatric drugz cause weight gain
but
Zyprexa is the worst.

I can not understand why so many Americans are taking antipsychotic
medications.

I can: because they're overprescribed. Back in 2001 I was prescribed Zyprexa
by a psychiatrist because I couldn't sleep after having worked nights for a
few weeks. Basically, I'd applied for the night shift 'coz you got paid more
& worked only 4 days a week but I just couldn't sleep in the daytime. I had
to go see the company doctor to get transferred back to days, only my body
clock was all screwed up & I couldn't sleep day or night. The doctor
referred me to a psychiatrist who was quick to prescribe Zyprexa & bill the
company obscene amounts for weekly consultations that lasted only 10 mins.

I refused to take the drug after reading about all the side effects online,
next time I went to see the doctor I told him I couldn't believe I'd been
prescribed a drug for schizophrenia when I just had a problem with my body
clock. He replied that he'd prescribed it "because drowsiness is one of its
side effects & it will help you to sleep" and that weight gain was a side
effect but "that's no reason to worry". I'm glad I refused to touch the
stuff, since it's also a very expensive drug & the company didn't cover the
cost of prescription drugs.

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One of the most widely prescribed antipsychotic drugs, Zyprexa was once
considered a miracle for schizophrenia patients. Zyprexa weight gain,
diabetes,
hyperglycemia, and other complications have since given many physicians
and
users reason for concern. As a result of Zyprexa weight gain, some
patients may
develop additional medical problems, and some patients may decide to stop
the
drug because of potential Zyprexa weight gain.

The list of side effects of Zyprexa is very long & some are very alarming,
such as:

Hyperpyrexia, muscle rigidity, altered mental status and evidence of
autonomic instability (irregular pulse or blood pressure, tachycardia,
diaphoresis and cardiac dysrhythmia), and acute renal failure. Tardive
Dyskinesia - A syndrome of potentially irreversible, involuntary, dyskinetic
movements may develop in patients treated with Zyprexa. Orthostatic
Hypotension (Lowered blood pressure when a person changes from a setting to
an erect position) - Zyprexa may induce orthostatic hypotension associated
with dizziness, tachycardia, and in some patients, syncope, especially
during the initial dose-titration period. Zyprexa should be used with
particular caution in patients with known cardiovascular disease,
cerebrovascular disease, and conditions which would predispose patients to
hypotension.

a.. "On May 3, 2002, Britain's Medicines Control Agency warned that several
patients taking Eli Lilly's top selling drug Zyprexa (used to treat
schizophrenia) had developed diabetes-related complications. In the Medicine
Control Agency's Current Problems newsletter, the regulatory body said that
the antipsychotic drug "can adversely affect blood glucose."

a.. "Forty reports "of hyperglycemia (elevated blood sugar), diabetes
mellitus, or exacerbation of diabetes have been received in the UK. Four
were associated with ketoacidosis and/or coma including one with a fatal
outcome," according to the newsletter.

Want more? http://www.prozactruth.com/zyprexa.htm