Re: I'm Coming Out - LONG

In article <[email hidden]>,

Cubit said:

"Severe calorie restriction" does not directly fail. There were no fat
people in German concentration camps. However, if calories are too
restricted, the dieter goes crazy and cheats, cheats, and cheats. The
weight stays because the calories eaten are too high, not too low. (I'm not
recommending "severe calorie restriction."😉

I read (skimmed) your recent posts. I don't see anything to suggest that
you have tried low carb, or if you have, that you did it properly.

Martha's been participating in this newsgroup on-and-off for far longer
than you have. If she says that she's dieted down as far as diet and
exercise will take her, I have no reason to doubt her.

Quoted message said:

I'm sorry to hear about your recent surgery. In time you can tell us if you
regain your weight in new places.

Did you mean to sound this snarky and unsupportive?

--
AF
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--artyw raises the bar on rec.sport.baseball

"Cubit" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

( I clipped most of the nonsense [censored] at the beginning) and then Cubit continued to spout off.....................

"I read (skimmed) your recent posts. I don't see anything to suggest that
you have tried low carb, or if you have, that you did it properly.

I'm sorry to hear about your recent surgery. In time you can tell us if you
regain your weight in new places."

My premenstrual flame directed at:
Cubit, Don't be such an ass an embarrass yourself with such an

uninformed post. You obviously dont read the newsgroup enough
yourself. Yes you SKIMMED her old posts! Martha has been here a
while............ And who gives a [censored] whether she low carbed or not.
She lost the weight YEAH MARTHA, and she had excess baggage that wasnt
all fat she wanted to be free of!!! I'll do the same!!! STFU!!!! And,
why should you be so concerned as to whether or not she gains it back.
How supportive of you!!!!! Here is a post from Martha in
2003...................
Martha

Martha S. Gallagher said:

Hey Low-Carbers,

A while ago I posted about a non-diabetic getting a glucose meter to fool
around with. Several of you gave me interesting feedback on whether or
not that would be useful. BTW, googling the thread, I realized that I
hadn't answered Jenny's very helpful post, so belated thanks to Jenny.

I finally got around to getting the lancets yesterday, so I spent the day
poking my finger (reason 837 to be glad not to be diabetic - sticking
pins in your finger gets old very fast). For context, I've been seriously
low-carbing for a little over a year now, averaging under 40 carbs/day
with one off-plan day a couple of weeks ago.

Hey Alice,

Alice Faber said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Cubit said:

"Severe calorie restriction" does not directly fail. There were no fat
people in German concentration camps. However, if calories are too
restricted, the dieter goes crazy and cheats, cheats, and cheats. The
weight stays because the calories eaten are too high, not too low. (I'm not
recommending "severe calorie restriction."😉

I read (skimmed) your recent posts. I don't see anything to suggest that
you have tried low carb, or if you have, that you did it properly.

Martha's been participating in this newsgroup on-and-off for far longer
than you have. If she says that she's dieted down as far as diet and
exercise will take her, I have no reason to doubt her.

Quoted message said:

Thanks. Yeah, I feel like maintaining a 60 lb weight loss for over a year
and a half by means of low carb gives me some chops. While I'm not bone
thin, and wasn't before the surgery, I'd gotten down to a point where my
weight wasn't really an issue. I would have loved to have been able to
get to 125 with just diet (I could have bought myself a *really* nice
guitar), but I dunno, it seems like leptin always does me in.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I'm sorry to hear about your recent surgery. In time you can tell us
if you regain your weight in new places.

Did you mean to sound this snarky and unsupportive?

I think that's a fair bet. In any case, there's truth to it though. I read
one of the support websites and it does seem like some people think that
lipo obviates the need for dietary diligence, and then next thing you know
they're busting out of their blouses. I don't want to be smug, because
pride and all that, but I really don't want to let that be me.

Thanks,
Martha

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Martha Gallagher wrote:
:: Hey Alice,
::
:: On Mon, 8 Nov 2004, Alice Faber wrote:
::
::: In article <[email hidden]>,
::: "Cubit" <[email hidden]> wrote:
:::
:::: "Severe calorie restriction" does not directly fail. There were
:::: no fat people in German concentration camps. However, if calories
:::: are too restricted, the dieter goes crazy and cheats, cheats, and
:::: cheats. The weight stays because the calories eaten are too high,
:::: not too low. (I'm not recommending "severe calorie restriction."😉
::::
:::: I read (skimmed) your recent posts. I don't see anything to
:::: suggest that you have tried low carb, or if you have, that you did
:::: it properly.
:::
::: Martha's been participating in this newsgroup on-and-off for far
::: longer than you have. If she says that she's dieted down as far as
::: diet and exercise will take her, I have no reason to doubt her.
::::
::
:: Thanks. Yeah, I feel like maintaining a 60 lb weight loss for over a
:: year and a half by means of low carb gives me some chops. While I'm
:: not bone thin, and wasn't before the surgery, I'd gotten down to a
:: point where my weight wasn't really an issue. I would have loved to
:: have been able to get to 125 with just diet (I could have bought
:: myself a *really* nice guitar), but I dunno, it seems like leptin
:: always does me in.
::
:::: I'm sorry to hear about your recent surgery. In time you can tell
:::: us
:::: if you regain your weight in new places.
:::
::: Did you mean to sound this snarky and unsupportive?
:::
::
:: I think that's a fair bet. In any case, there's truth to it though.
:: I read one of the support websites and it does seem like some people
:: think that lipo obviates the need for dietary diligence, and then
:: next thing you know they're busting out of their blouses. I don't
:: want to be smug, because pride and all that, but I really don't want
:: to let that be me.
::

It's kind of an interesting situation, when you think about it. If you were
maintaining your weight prior to the procedure, then you were settled into a
comfortable eating/exercise balance. Then if you have some weight removed,
but keep eating/exercise the same, what will happen? It could be that the
weight gain will be inevitable unless steps are taken to prevent it. I
don't claim to know, but it is something to think about carefully.

Roger Zoul said:

Martha Gallagher wrote:

[re: weight gain post lipo]

Quoted message said:

::
:: I think that's a fair bet. In any case, there's truth to it though.
:: I read one of the support websites and it does seem like some people
:: think that lipo obviates the need for dietary diligence, and then
:: next thing you know they're busting out of their blouses. I don't
:: want to be smug, because pride and all that, but I really don't want
:: to let that be me.
::

It's kind of an interesting situation, when you think about it. If you were
maintaining your weight prior to the procedure, then you were settled into a
comfortable eating/exercise balance. Then if you have some weight removed,
but keep eating/exercise the same, what will happen? It could be that the
weight gain will be inevitable unless steps are taken to prevent it. I
don't claim to know, but it is something to think about carefully.

Yeah, actually, the thread about people weighing every day in part
triggered me to mention this. Since I've started lowcarbing, I've mostly
weighed in at least every few days to keep myself honest. It's easy for me
to stick to low carb foods, but sometimes I need a reality check that
portion control is essential. Since the surgery, I've pretty much weighed
every day when I had a scale available, because weight re-gain is common.

So far, taking into account normal and hormonal variations, I'm right at
about 10 lbs under my pre-surgery weight which is roughly consistent with
how much fat I had removed. Maintaining at that weight is my objective.
I've gotten out of the habit of journaling my food calories, but last I
checked, I was maintaining at around 1600 calories a day. If you divide
that, it works out to around 10 calories a lb. So, I figure as a rough
estimate I need to decrease my calorie intake on average about 100
calories a day. It may not be quite that much because of course fat isn't
all that calorically expensive for the body to maintain and also because
maintenance seems like it is more of a range than a constant number. But,
using the 100 calories as a guesstimate, I know I need to reduce my intake
by that amount. So far my perception is that I've slightly reduced my
total intake, but if a month or so I see that I'm consistently showing as
a pound up then I'll know that I do in fact need to count calories for a
while to get that off and to relearn how much food I need to maintain.

But, you're right, I see people who have had X amount removed and they say
that their weight didn't change from pre-surgery. My internal speculation
in those circumstances is that they regained the weight in different
places but didn't realize it was happening because they were eating the
same way they always did.

Like everything else, it's a learning process.

Martha

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Revek - ASDLC

In message <[email hidden]>,
Martha Gallagher <[email hidden]> writes

Quoted message said:

I would have loved to have been able to
get to 125 with just diet (I could have bought myself a *really* nice
guitar), but I dunno, it seems like leptin always does me in.

Please don't tell me to justfuckinggoogleit, because I've tried and my
brane is melting. I'd be really very interested in anything you could
tell me about leptin. Or a pointer to an idiot's guide to leptin would
be great. Many thanks.
--
Mogget

Mogget said:

In message <[email hidden]>,
Martha Gallagher <[email hidden]> writes

Quoted message said:

I would have loved to have been able to
get to 125 with just diet (I could have bought myself a *really* nice
guitar), but I dunno, it seems like leptin always does me in.

Please don't tell me to justfuckinggoogleit, because I've tried and my
brane is melting. I'd be really very interested in anything you could
tell me about leptin. Or a pointer to an idiot's guide to leptin would
be great. Many thanks.

Sorry to say that I don't have specific saved links, but googling the
newsgroup archives for "leptin refeed" for posts by Lyle McDonald
and Elzi Volk over in misc.fitness.weights should yield what you're
looking for.

--
jamie ([email hidden])

"There's a seeker born every minute."

In message <[email hidden]>, jamie
<[email hidden]> writes

Quoted message said:

Mogget said:

In message <[email hidden]>,
Martha Gallagher <[email hidden]> writes

Quoted message said:

I would have loved to have been able to
get to 125 with just diet (I could have bought myself a *really* nice
guitar), but I dunno, it seems like leptin always does me in.

Please don't tell me to justfuckinggoogleit, because I've tried and my
brane is melting. I'd be really very interested in anything you could
tell me about leptin. Or a pointer to an idiot's guide to leptin would
be great. Many thanks.

Sorry to say that I don't have specific saved links, but googling the
newsgroup archives for "leptin refeed" for posts by Lyle McDonald
and Elzi Volk over in misc.fitness.weights should yield what you're
looking for.

Ta jamie. I did that, and read a few flamewars, errr I mean threads,
yes, that's it, threads. The impression I get is that leptin isn't an
issue for those of us who are still significantly overweight. Am I
about right?
--
Mogget, the Churl in the Puce Greatcoat

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when the subject changes! Thankyouverymuch! :-)

Mogget said:

Quoted message said:

Mogget said:

Please don't tell me to justfuckinggoogleit, because I've tried and my
brane is melting. I'd be really very interested in anything you could
tell me about leptin. Or a pointer to an idiot's guide to leptin would
be great. Many thanks.

http://www.delorie.com/health/
See right sidebar.

Quoted message said:

Ta jamie. I did that, and read a few flamewars, errr I mean threads,
yes, that's it, threads. The impression I get is that leptin isn't an
issue for those of us who are still significantly overweight. Am I
about right?

Right. Leptin is a balance between stored fat and glucose levels in
fat cells, and the leptin level only has to be "enough". If you have
enough stored fat, you have enough leptin, no matter what the glucose
levels are. As you lose weight, eventually the glucose levels effect
leptin enough to trigger hunger, and then you have to start worrying
about refeeds and such.

This is part of why LC works for overweight people - it gets rid of
their only significant[*] hunger factor. For people closer to goal,
LC is less effective, because the leptin-triggered hunger isn't eased
by LCing, so they also have to watch calories.

Or something like that.

[*] debatable, but let's not ;-)

In message <[email hidden]>, DJ Delorie <[email hidden]>
writes

Quoted message said:

Oops, I missed this part of the thread. People! Update the subject lines
when the subject changes! Thankyouverymuch! :-)

Mogget said:

Quoted message said:

Mogget <[email hidden]> wrote:
> Please don't tell me to justfuckinggoogleit, because I've tried and my
> brane is melting. I'd be really very interested in anything you could
> tell me about leptin. Or a pointer to an idiot's guide to leptin would
> be great. Many thanks.

http://www.delorie.com/health/
See right sidebar.

Fab site.

Bookmarked, ta.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Ta jamie. I did that, and read a few flamewars, errr I mean threads,
yes, that's it, threads. The impression I get is that leptin isn't an
issue for those of us who are still significantly overweight. Am I
about right?

Right. Leptin is a balance between stored fat and glucose levels in
fat cells, and the leptin level only has to be "enough". If you have
enough stored fat, you have enough leptin, no matter what the glucose
levels are. As you lose weight, eventually the glucose levels effect
leptin enough to trigger hunger, and then you have to start worrying
about refeeds and such.

This is part of why LC works for overweight people - it gets rid of
their only significant[*] hunger factor. For people closer to goal,
LC is less effective, because the leptin-triggered hunger isn't eased
by LCing, so they also have to watch calories.

Or something like that.

[*] debatable, but let's not ;-)

Best :-)
--
Mogget, the Churl in the Puce Greatcoat

DJ Delorie <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

This is part of why LC works for overweight people - it gets rid of
their only significant[*] hunger factor. For people closer to goal,
LC is less effective, because the leptin-triggered hunger isn't eased
by LCing, so they also have to watch calories.

Depends. I'm about 15 lbs from goal. I've been about 15 lbs from goal
since July.

LC is still working just fine for me - because I use it to control my
hypoglycemic/pre-diabetic issues. It still controls hunger and low
blood sugar. It *is* lower calorie because I am not eating as much.

At this point in the game, the only thing that really works for me, is
starting some kind of exercise program - in my experience.