Re: I am a Splash

"Rob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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In message <[email hidden]>, George Dance <[email hidden]> writes

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No; by Cat logic, jumping etc. off the Golden Gate Bridge cannot kill
you - so jumping off cannot be attempting suicide.

Not for Cat, I agree. However for someone who is not wise in the ways of word play, say someone as dumb as a swimmer, it would be
a genuine attempt.

Don't break your arm patting your back, poser.

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Only when you reach the water does it become COMMITTING suicide.

No, for the same reason. By Cat logic, that mode of death would have
to be called accidental; an unfortunate coincidence.

Wrong - see above.

Only when all swimmers have drowned and all play with words will Cat have to redraft the Running, Jumping, Diving, Dropping Tao of
Golden Gate Suicide.

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"Rob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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In message <[email hidden]>, Amadeus Jinn <[email hidden]> writes

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... I (once) went under the G.G. Bridge
in my (small) yacht. The waves were more than I had ever seen.

Strange, I've seen thousands.

Strange, I've seen millions. (seems)
The ones outside the Gate were "more."

....as in higher and longer. Oceanic, in fact.

I cruised all over the Delta with little wake except
from other boats... The Pacific wasn't...
The American River is lovely.

Having a twin-engine jet boat was a real thrill.

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But I suspect you meant "bigger".

Little difference to you.
I also did steep turns over the spires (both) numerous times.
(over Mt. Tam and Lucas Ranch... Called it a lunchtime: "Bay Tour"...
....sometimes grab a steak at Jonsies on the field at Napa)

A small airplane can /just/ fit under the 1500ft ceiling and the spires...
(or so to say, I did...)

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Poor Tom has the word play skills of a swimmer.

Your life is [censored] --- so there you are.

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Stick to ook.

That's your syllable, kook.

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Turby said:

I'd never really thought about being a poet.

I'll bet you have. And I'll bet
you've played air guitar too.

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Rob said:

In message <[email hidden]>,
George Dance <[email hidden]> writes

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No; by Cat logic, jumping etc. off the Golden Gate Bridge cannot kill
you - so jumping off cannot be attempting suicide.

Not for Cat, I agree. However for someone who is not wise in the ways of
word play, say someone as dumb as a swimmer, it would be a genuine attempt.

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Only when you reach the water does it become COMMITTING suicide.

No, for the same reason. By Cat logic, that mode of death would have
to be called accidental; an unfortunate coincidence.

Wrong - see above.

Only when all swimmers have drowned and all play with words will Cat
have to redraft the Running, Jumping, Diving, Dropping Tao of Golden
Gate Suicide.

Rob

Taking off on a kamikaze mission does not kill you.
Hitting a ship, does.
And if that 40mm [censored] messes with your kharma, you won't even hit
the ship.
Nor, I think, will you become a swimmer, however you /might/
become one by jumping off the GG -- heh -- Bridge.

Hint: you were /not/ a "swimmer" when you jumped, you were a
"jumper." If, perhaps, you were a "walker," old people should /not/
use you to cross the bridge.

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mwsmith said:

Dennis M. Hammes said:

mwsmith said:

Barbara's Cat wrote:

> mwsmith said:
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>> Barbara's Cat wrote:
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>>> Steve Freides said:
>>>
>>>> you can break your neck diving.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Diving will not break your neck.
>>> It's the hitting of what you dive into
>>> that will break your neck.
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes and what you dive into is often water.
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>
>
> And hitting the water can break your neck, yes.

Yes and that is breaking your neck diving.

No, that is breaking your neck /after/ diving.

It is also breaking your neck diving, or else an infinite number of
statements that used to be true are suddenly false. "He broke his neck
diving into a pool" is false. "He got wet diving into a pool" is false.
"He shot the man with a gun" is false. "He died in a bungee jumping
fall" is false.

What's so pathetic here is that you're absolutely correct -- and
stand there sneering at yourself for it.

Think!
(Or thwim...)

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>> If you dive off the Golden Gate Bridge,
>> you will very likely break your neck.
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>
>
> But not until you hit the water.

Yes and that is breaking your neck diving.

No, that is breaking your neck by how you /quit/ diving.

Does your TV station ever say that somebody broke his neck driving?
I bet they say he broke his neck in the /crash/.

That's because driving doesn't normally end in hitting something. Diving
does. They do say he broke his neck diving. And they aren't wrong.

Oh, come on. Skydiving does not end in "hitting" the ground, nor
does bungee-jumping end in "hitting" anything at all.
(Merely to use two examples trotted out by somebody here to
"prove" the opposite...)

And driving /always/ ends in hitting the gas pump, else it ends
because you didn't.
See?

(JeeZ, this "all words are ultimately defined by other words" [censored] is
easy...)

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George Dance said:

Dennis M. Hammes said:

mwsmith said:

Barbara's Cat wrote:

>mwsmith said:
>
>>Barbara's Cat wrote:
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>>>Steve Freides said:

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>>>>you can break your neck diving.

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>>>Diving will not break your neck.
>>>It's the hitting of what you dive into
>>>that will break your neck.

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>>Yes and what you dive into is often water.

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>And hitting the water can break your neck, yes.

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Yes and that is breaking your neck diving.

No, that is breaking your neck /after/ diving.

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>>If you dive off the Golden Gate Bridge,
>>you will very likely break your neck.

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>But not until you hit the water.

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Yes and that is breaking your neck diving.

No, that is breaking your neck by how you /quit/ diving.

"Trust me, kids. You can't get hurt diving into the shallow end of the
pool.You first, Johnny."
- Poet/Lifeguard Beavis Hammes, teaching "wordplay" to his young
charges.

What's so pathetic is how you steadfastly refuse to get even the
/simple/ lessons right. (Unless you really are a monkey, who cannot
remember that many words in a row.)

"Trust me, kids, you can't get hurt diving into the shallow end of
the pool. You can get dead hitting the bottom, though, so jump over
there. Into the scary 'deep part,' yes. And remember to jackknife
immediately you hit the water, or you'll prolly hit the bottom anyway."

Yeh. /'Way/ too many words for the monkey to remember.

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"Yeah, they fired me. But Johnny's a cripple. Heh."
- Former Poet/Lifeguard Beavis Hammes, helping his bud Butthead to
'get it.'

Just hold the tub, Bullwinkle.

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Barbara's Cat said:

Dennis M. Hammes said:

George Dance said:

Barbara's Cat wrote:

>Steve Freides said:
>
>
>>you can break your neck diving.
>
>Diving will not break your neck.
>It's the hitting of what you dive into
>that will break your neck.

No wonder he killfiled you.

Awwwww, Cat was killed diving into this argument.
I don't think so, Tim.

No worry, eh? Most knowledgeable
critters claim I have nine lives.

Wouldn't know, of cuss, but it's self-evident you have more'n nine words.
It's also self-evident that monkeys can count to three but not to
four.
Makes me wonder about swimmers...

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George Dance said:

Dennis M. Hammes said:

George Dance said:

On Aug 9, 11:51 am, Barbara's Cat <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Steve Freides said:

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>>you can break your neck diving.

Quoted message said:

>Diving will not break your neck.
>It's the hitting of what you dive into
>that will break your neck.

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No wonder he killfiled you.

Awwwww, Cat was killed diving into this argument.

At least once.

Either he really has nine (hundred) lives or he bounced back (without
breaking his neck, unlike yourself) faster'n you did, q.v.

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I don't think so, Tim.

Then you either haven't bothered to read the thread, or haven't
bothered to pay attention.

OOOooo... Georgie trots out his "I'm The Only One Licensed To Read"
argument, again.
It's that "Commonwealth" thingy, again, George. Fix that and you
fix the rest.

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In message <[email hidden]>, Poor TOM
<[email hidden]> tried hard but still wrote:

Ook?
OOK?
Pllleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeese!!!

Rob
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In message <[email hidden]>, Amadeus Jinn
<[email hidden]> expands his argument with:

Ook?
OOK?
Pllleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeese!!!

Poor, poor Tom.

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mwsmith said:

Dennis M. Hammes said:

mwsmith said:

Barbara's Cat wrote:

> Turby said:
>
>> It's actually an old semantic joke. I think it first started as,
>> "Jumping out of an airplane without a parachute won't kill you - it's
>> the sudden impact when you hit the ground that does that."
>
>
>
>
> Finally, someone 'gets it'.

We all got it. You got it wrong.

Kinda like a social disease, hunh.

When a swimmer plays Tarzan, does he die of swinging from vines, or
from hitting trees?

You have changed the form. No one said "He died of diving." The
statement was "You can break your neck diving," which is different.

You *can* die swinging from a vine, however.

Only if you tie it around your neck first.
(Is that a "swimming thing," 'cos I don't remember Weissmueller as
doing it.)

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When a swimmer gives an interview after winning the Gold Medal, we
find out why he's cast to play somebody who grew up speaking ape.

Most competitive swimmers are way above average intelligence, and I
wager they all know you can break your neck diving.

But are they attached to their fins, that is the question.

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Turby said:

Barbara's Cat said:

What?

I'd never really thought about being a poet.
Now I know why.

Yeh, those four-letter words'll gitcha every time.

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In message <[email hidden]>, Amadeus Jinn
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The ones outside the Gate were "more."

...as in higher and longer. Oceanic, in fact.

Not in fact, only in Duckrish (more=oceanic).

I repeat:

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Stick to ook.

Poor , poor Tom.

Rob
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In message <[email hidden]>, Amadeus Jinn
<[email hidden]> writes

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Ook?
OOK?
Pllleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeese!!!

Poor, poor Tom.

Rob
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George Dance said:

Vera said:

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On Aug 9, 2:29 pm, "Vera" <[email hidden]> wrote:

>Cat--

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>We have accidents in Australia of individuals diving onto either rocks
>or submerged trees in water. While the impact would cause brain
>death, the fatality is always reported as a broken neck.

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>Trust me!

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>Vera

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>"Barbara's Cat" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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>news:[email hidden]...

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>>George Dance, regarding his level of duckness, said:

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>>>quack
>>>expert
>>>quack

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>>--
>>Cm~

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>>"Everyone is entitled to be stupid,
>> but some abuse the privilege."
>> - anonymou

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The cat is not arguing that hitting something will break your neck.
She is contending that diving, which she assumes is only the process
of being in the air free-falling, will not break your neck. She is
separating the idea of hitting, an object such as a rock, water, etc
from the act of diving. In other words she is trying to play with
language. The attempt is silly and depends of the definition that you
are using. If you assume that diving is the act of free falling
towards and object and hitting the object, then diving can break your
neck. If you assume that diving only involves free falling then, it
will not break your neck.

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No sense in arguing, it is silly,
Andres

You sure had me confused, Andres!

For a start, Cat is not a "She".

When one dives (if not in space) one hits something
and even water from a good height, breaks a neck.

Andres was looking at it like a philosopher; specifically, like a
Wittgensteiner.

What the /hell/ does a one-armed piano-player have to do with diving?
I had a one-armed RA (in the Wayback Machine) who was a diver and
on the Swim Team, but he competed with divers divers, not piano-players.
Hell, he didn't even play the Wittgensteiner Polka, let alone the
Ravel.

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In normal speech, "diving" means the initial leap
plus the downward motion plus the impact at the end; but for the
"joke," it's redefined as not including the impact.

It's actually an old joke: "Falling doesn't kill anyone; it's the
stopping at the end that kills."

Right. Neither does flying.

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George Dance said:

But, as in every other game, alas, there are always some who think
they can get ahead by cheating. 8(

/That's/ better.
Recognising your problem as a problem is Step 1.
Only eleven to go...

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Dennis M. Hammes said:

mwsmith said:

Dennis M. Hammes said:

mwsmith wrote:

> Barbara's Cat wrote:
>
>> Turby said:
>>
>>> It's actually an old semantic joke. I think it first started as,
>>> "Jumping out of an airplane without a parachute won't kill you - it's
>>> the sudden impact when you hit the ground that does that."
>>
>> Finally, someone 'gets it'.
>
> We all got it. You got it wrong.

Kinda like a social disease, hunh.

When a swimmer plays Tarzan, does he die of swinging from vines, or
from hitting trees?

You have changed the form. No one said "He died of diving." The
statement was "You can break your neck diving," which is different.

You *can* die swinging from a vine, however.

Only if you tie it around your neck first.
(Is that a "swimming thing," 'cos I don't remember Weissmueller as
doing it.)

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When a swimmer gives an interview after winning the Gold Medal, we
find out why he's cast to play somebody who grew up speaking ape.

Most competitive swimmers are way above average intelligence, and I
wager they all know you can break your neck diving.

But are they attached to their fins, that is the question.

"Most competitive swimmers are way above average intelligence"

Heh. Yet so far, most I've seen from the newsgroups George
cross-posted this thread to have proved unable to grasp onto
'their' language or the simplest of simple laws of physics.

Sad, that, eh?

BTW, have you thanked good ol' George for the cross-post?
The swimmers really love the poetry people (I can tell).

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"It is Homer who has chiefly taught other poets
the art of telling lies skillfully."
- Aristotle

Blah... You are boring with the ook.

Take a swim.

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"Rob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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In message <[email hidden]>, Poor TOM
<[email hidden]> tried hard but still wrote:

Ook?
OOK?
Pllleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeese!!!

Rob
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Ummm... You are making a fool of yourself, robbie.

Your OAK is your own, and you are a kook.

You support thieves and harassers, and harass yourself.

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"Rob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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In message <[email hidden]>, Amadeus Jinn
<[email hidden]> expands his argument with:

Ook?
OOK?
Pllleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeese!!!

Poor, poor Tom.

Rob
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"Rob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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In message <[email hidden]>, Amadeus Jinn <[email hidden]> writes

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The ones outside the Gate were "more."

...as in higher and longer. Oceanic, in fact.

Not in fact, only in Duckrish (more=oceanic).

You pull at my words as if they meant something.
It must really be bad to be you.

I'm so bad that 60-80mg of Hydrocodone, and 6mg
of Lorazapam a day isn't enough. I suppose oxycontin
is the only possibility.

But the fact is, that the 90's roared for me.

My flight instructor (at the Oakland Airport) was
from South America. He would look at me sternly
and ask the same question before every flight:
"Is this a good day to die?"

I guess you live a boring life.

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