Re: I am a Splash

Turby said:

It's actually an old semantic joke. I think it first started as,
"Jumping out of an airplane without a parachute won't kill you - it's
the sudden impact when you hit the ground that does that."

Finally, someone 'gets it'.

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Barbara's Cat said:

Turby said:

It's actually an old semantic joke. I think it first started as,
"Jumping out of an airplane without a parachute won't kill you - it's
the sudden impact when you hit the ground that does that."

Finally, someone 'gets it'.

We all got it. You got it wrong.

mwsmith said:

Barbara's Cat said:

Turby said:

It's actually an old semantic joke. I think it first started as,
"Jumping out of an airplane without a parachute won't kill you - it's
the sudden impact when you hit the ground that does that."

Finally, someone 'gets it'.

We all got it. You got it wrong.

<headpat>

But of course, pumpkin. Now run along and play.

</headpat>

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Barbara's Cat said:

Turby said:

It's actually an old semantic joke. I think it first started as,
"Jumping out of an airplane without a parachute won't kill you - it's
the sudden impact when you hit the ground that does that."

Finally, someone 'gets it'.

And, of course, you snipped the most important part:

"It is silly."

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George Dance said:

Barbara's Cat said:

BTW, diving won't break a neck either.

BTW, you're full of [censored].

"Baby Duck breaks neck diving into World-Wide Waves"?

We know.

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Vera said:

What does BTW stand for?

Vera

Between Two Willows.
You musta turned into a park, again.

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Barbara's Cat said:

Steve Freides said:

you can break your neck diving.

Diving will not break your neck.
It's the hitting of what you dive into
that will break your neck.

Evidently a George is the only thing dumb enough to dive into a lump
of concrete.
Or that big lump at the bottom of the sky...

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mwsmith said:

Barbara's Cat said:

Steve Freides said:

you can break your neck diving.

Diving will not break your neck.
It's the hitting of what you dive into
that will break your neck.

Yes and what you dive into is often water. If you dive off the Golden
Gate Bridge, you will very likely break your neck.

And several other things, but suicide is not "diving."
Unless you want to speak of "diving into the end of a rope" or
"diving into a sidewalk."
You will not, of course, dive very far into either one.
Because jumping onto a hard surface -- such as water at such
relative velocities -- is not "diving."

"Diving" is a course of action almost as complex as poetry, the parts
of which are so well-defined as to be scorable Olympically.
You and George think you're "diving" when you get Bullwinkle to
hold the tub.

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Dennis M. Hammes said:

mwsmith said:

Barbara's Cat said:

Steve Freides said:

> you can break your neck diving.

Diving will not break your neck.
It's the hitting of what you dive into
that will break your neck.

Yes and what you dive into is often water. If you dive off the Golden
Gate Bridge, you will very likely break your neck.

And several other things, but suicide is not "diving."
Unless you want to speak of "diving into the end of a rope" or "diving
into a sidewalk."
You will not, of course, dive very far into either one.
Because jumping onto a hard surface -- such as water at such relative
velocities -- is not "diving."

"Diving" is a course of action almost as complex as poetry, the parts of
which are so well-defined as to be scorable Olympically.
You and George think you're "diving" when you get Bullwinkle to hold
the tub.

Let's not start this again. All the the sentence "you can break your
neck diving" can appear in a poem, it is a statement of fact, and it is
true. If you dive off the Golden Gate bridge, you *are* diving, whether
you mean to commit suicide or not, and you can break your neck.

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Vera said:

Cat--

We have accidents in Australia of individuals diving onto either rocks
or submerged trees in water. While the impact would cause brain
death, the fatality is always reported as a broken neck.

Trust me!

Vera

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George Dance, regarding his level of duckness, said:

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> expert
> quack

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"Everyone is entitled to be stupid,
but some abuse the privilege."
- anonymou

The cat is not arguing that hitting something will break your neck.
She is contending that diving, which she assumes is only the process
of being in the air free-falling, will not break your neck. She is
separating the idea of hitting, an object such as a rock, water, etc
from the act of diving. In other words she is trying to play with
language. The attempt is silly and depends of the definition that you
are using. If you assume that diving is the act of free falling
towards and object and hitting the object, then diving can break your
neck. If you assume that diving only involves free falling then, it
will not break your neck.

No sense in arguing, it is silly,

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Andres

You sure had me confused, Andres!

For a start, Cat is not a "She".

When one dives (if not in space) one hits something
and even water from a good height, breaks a neck.

Vera

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Vera said:

Cat--

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We have accidents in Australia of individuals diving onto either rocks
or submerged trees in water. While the impact would cause brain
death, the fatality is always reported as a broken neck.

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The cat is not arguing that hitting something will break your neck.
She is contending that diving, which she assumes is only the process
of being in the air free-falling, will not break your neck. She is
separating the idea of hitting, an object such as a rock, water, etc
from the act of diving. In other words she is trying to play with
language. The attempt is silly and depends of the definition that you
are using. If you assume that diving is the act of free falling
towards and object and hitting the object, then diving can break your
neck. If you assume that diving only involves free falling then, it
will not break your neck.

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No sense in arguing, it is silly,
Andres

You sure had me confused, Andres!

For a start, Cat is not a "She".

When one dives (if not in space) one hits something
and even water from a good height, breaks a neck.

Andres was looking at it like a philosopher; specifically, like a
Wittgensteiner. In normal speech, "diving" means the initial leap
plus the downward motion plus the impact at the end; but for the
"joke," it's redefined as not including the impact.

It's actually an old joke: "Falling doesn't kill anyone; it's the
stopping at the end that kills."

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Turby said:

"It is silly."

George dragging his dead horse to win
his imaginary race? Most certainly.

What? It's how the thread got into
your newsgroup in the first place.
He hates to race alone.

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but it takes real lovers
to be silly."
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Dennis M. Hammes said:

mwsmith said:

Barbara's Cat wrote:

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Steve Freides said:

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> you can break your neck diving.

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Diving will not break your neck.
It's the hitting of what you dive into
that will break your neck.

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Yes and what you dive into is often water. If you dive off the Golden
Gate Bridge, you will very likely break your neck.

And several other things, but suicide is not "diving."

"Suicide" has nothing to do with it. Diving into water at too great a
speed can break one's neck, period - whether that dive is a "suicide"
or not makes no difference.

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Unless you want to speak of "diving into the end of a rope" or
"diving into a sidewalk."
You will not, of course, dive very far into either one.
Because jumping onto a hard surface -- such as water at such
relative velocities -- is not "diving."

"Diving" is a course of action almost as complex as poetry, the parts
of which are so well-defined as to be scorable Olympically.
You and George think you're "diving" when you get Bullwinkle to
hold the tub.

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mwsmith said:

Barbara's Cat said:

mwsmith said:

Barbara's Cat wrote:

> Steve Freides said:
>
>> you can break your neck diving.
>
>
> Diving will not break your neck.
> It's the hitting of what you dive into
> that will break your neck.

Yes and what you dive into is often water.

And hitting the water can break your neck, yes.

Yes and that is breaking your neck diving.

No, that is breaking your neck /after/ diving.

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If you dive off the Golden Gate Bridge,
you will very likely break your neck.

But not until you hit the water.

Yes and that is breaking your neck diving.

No, that is breaking your neck by how you /quit/ diving.

Does your TV station ever say that somebody broke his neck driving?
I bet they say he broke his neck in the /crash/.

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mwsmith said:

Barbara's Cat said:

mwsmith said:

Barbara's Cat wrote:

> mwsmith said:
>
>> Barbara's Cat wrote:
>>
>>> Steve Freides said:
>>>
>>>> you can break your neck diving.
>>>
>>> Diving will not break your neck.
>>> It's the hitting of what you dive into
>>> that will break your neck.
>>
>> Yes and what you dive into is often water.
>
>
> And hitting the water can break your neck, yes.

Yes and that is breaking your neck diving.

No, that is breaking your neck by hitting water.

Read it again, this time for meaning. The statement was "you can break
your neck diving." When you dive off the Golden Gate Bridge and break
your neck when you hit the water, you are diving. You break your neck
diving. You thought you were being clever, but you just didn't read the
words.

OOOooo... more babies with Holy Words.
When you dive off the Golden Gate Bridge and break your neck when
you hit the water, you are not "diving," you are "committing
suicide," commonly referred to as "jumping."
"Hey, Lieutenant, we got another jumper."
"Yeah, better call a diver."
Look it up.

You thought you were being clever, but that would require being able
to rub /two/ brain cells together.
You may now tell me, "Go dive in the lake."

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Barbara's Cat said:

mwsmith said:

Read it again

I have seen that movie so many times
I have its entire dialogue memorized.

"If I had a nick-le,
Dig-e-dig-e-dig-e-dig-e-dig-e-dig-e-dig-e-dum!
Every time I had to dig the dumb,
I would be a wealthy man!"

(Another waste; he prolly thinks "Topol" is a toothpaste.)

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George Dance said:

Barbara's Cat said:

Steve Freides said:

you can break your neck diving.

Diving will not break your neck.
It's the hitting of what you dive into
that will break your neck.

No wonder he killfiled you.

Awwwww, Cat was killed diving into this argument.
I don't think so, Tim.

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Dennis M. Hammes said:

mwsmith said:

Barbara's Cat said:

mwsmith said:

> Barbara's Cat wrote:
>
>> Steve Freides said:
>>
>>> you can break your neck diving.
>>
>>
>> Diving will not break your neck.
>> It's the hitting of what you dive into
>> that will break your neck.
>
>
> Yes and what you dive into is often water.

And hitting the water can break your neck, yes.

Yes and that is breaking your neck diving.

No, that is breaking your neck /after/ diving.

It is also breaking your neck diving, or else an infinite number of
statements that used to be true are suddenly false. "He broke his neck
diving into a pool" is false. "He got wet diving into a pool" is false.
"He shot the man with a gun" is false. "He died in a bungee jumping
fall" is false.

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> If you dive off the Golden Gate Bridge,
> you will very likely break your neck.

But not until you hit the water.

Yes and that is breaking your neck diving.

No, that is breaking your neck by how you /quit/ diving.

Does your TV station ever say that somebody broke his neck driving?
I bet they say he broke his neck in the /crash/.

That's because driving doesn't normally end in hitting something. Diving
does. They do say he broke his neck diving. And they aren't wrong.

Dennis M. Hammes said:

George Dance said:

Barbara's Cat said:

Steve Freides said:

> you can break your neck diving.

Diving will not break your neck.
It's the hitting of what you dive into
that will break your neck.

No wonder he killfiled you.

Awwwww, Cat was killed diving into this argument.
I don't think so, Tim.

No worry, eh? Most knowledgeable
critters claim I have nine lives.

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delights the chameleon poet."
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Vera said:

Cat--

We have accidents in Australia of individuals diving onto either rocks
or submerged trees in water. While the impact would cause brain
death, the fatality is always reported as a broken neck.

Trust me!

Vera

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George Dance, regarding his level of duckness, said:

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>quack
>expert
>quack

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"Everyone is entitled to be stupid,
but some abuse the privilege."
- anonymou

The cat is not arguing that hitting something will break your neck.
She is contending that diving, which she assumes is only the process
of being in the air free-falling, will not break your neck. She is
separating the idea of hitting, an object such as a rock, water, etc
from the act of diving. In other words she is trying to play with
language. The attempt is silly and depends of the definition that you
are using. If you assume that diving is the act of free falling
towards and object and hitting the object, then diving can break your
neck. If you assume that diving only involves free falling then, it
will not break your neck.

No sense in arguing, it is silly,

Andres

Gee, it's too bad you can't play with language, innit.

Freefalling onto/into an object that does/will not break your neck is
"diving."

Freefalling onto/into an object that does/will break your neck is
"committing suicide."

Freefalling onto/into a deadly object you didn't know was there is
called "really stupid."

Anybody who breaks his neck on the bottom of the shallow end of the
pool did not "break his neck diving," he "broke his neck hitting the
bottom."

Look it up.

Anybody who dives into UseNet sooner or later finds that he's hit the
shallow end of the gene pool, but he doesn't break /his own/ neck.

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