Re: How do you eat enough protein?

John said:

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I've heard that lifters should eat 1 gram of protein per pound

of

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body weight. I´m 207 pounds. How on earth can a person consume

210

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grams of protein a day? A turkey sandwich has about 13 grams

of

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protein. Most protein supplements I´ve seen have about 20

grams of

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protein. Are you supposed to have 10 protein shakes a day?

Right now, I'm ingesting around 400g of protein

Sorry to hear that. Your body can't process/use the amino acids
in 400g of protein during a 24 hour period. You are wasting
money on protein, big time.

locker

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John said:

"DVDfanatico" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I've heard that lifters should eat 1 gram of protein per pound

of

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body weight. I´m 207 pounds. How on earth can a person consume

210

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grams of protein a day? A turkey sandwich has about 13 grams

of

Quoted message said:

protein. Most protein supplements I´ve seen have about 20

grams of

Quoted message said:

protein. Are you supposed to have 10 protein shakes a day?

Right now, I'm ingesting around 400g of protein

Sorry to hear that. Your body can't process/use the amino acids
in 400g of protein during a 24 hour period. You are wasting
money on protein, big time.

Is somebody keeping score? Who's ahead in the Wrong Things Posted Contest?
Locker or <<joni>>?

<<joni>> does occasionally get things right, so, I'd say Locker is probably
winning.

David

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John said:

"DVDfanatico" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I've heard that lifters should eat 1 gram of protein per pound

of

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body weight. I´m 207 pounds. How on earth can a person consume

210

Quoted message said:

grams of protein a day? A turkey sandwich has about 13 grams

of

Quoted message said:

protein. Most protein supplements I´ve seen have about 20

grams of

Quoted message said:

protein. Are you supposed to have 10 protein shakes a day?

Right now, I'm ingesting around 400g of protein

Sorry to hear that. Your body can't process/use the amino acids
in 400g of protein during a 24 hour period. You are wasting
money on protein, big time.

Is somebody keeping score? Who's ahead in the Wrong Things Posted Contest?
Locker or <<joni>>?

<<joni>> does occasionally get things right, so, I'd say Locker is

probably

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winning.

David

<<joni>> only gets things right when the webpage she's copying/pasting from
gets it right (which isn't often). I've yet to see Locker get it right,
maybe he should consider the copy/paste method so that he can at least claim
to be as smart as an idiot (IOW <<joni>>😉

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John said:

"DVDfanatico" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I've heard that lifters should eat 1 gram of protein per pound

of

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body weight. I´m 207 pounds. How on earth can a person consume

210

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grams of protein a day? A turkey sandwich has about 13 grams

of

Quoted message said:

protein. Most protein supplements I´ve seen have about 20

grams of

Quoted message said:

protein. Are you supposed to have 10 protein shakes a day?

Right now, I'm ingesting around 400g of protein

Sorry to hear that. Your body can't process/use the amino acids
in 400g of protein during a 24 hour period. You are wasting
money on protein, big time.

Is somebody keeping score? Who's ahead in the Wrong Things Posted Contest?
Locker or <<joni>>?

<<joni>> does occasionally get things right, so, I'd say Locker is

probably

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winning.

I'm surprised he didn't tell me my kidney's are going to shutdown.

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John wrote:
> "DVDfanatico" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> news:[email hidden]...
> I've heard that lifters should eat 1 gram of protein per pound
of
> body weight. I´m 207 pounds. How on earth can a person consume
210
> grams of protein a day? A turkey sandwich has about 13 grams
of
> protein. Most protein supplements I´ve seen have about 20
grams of
> protein. Are you supposed to have 10 protein shakes a day?
>
> Right now, I'm ingesting around 400g of protein

Sorry to hear that. Your body can't process/use the amino acids
in 400g of protein during a 24 hour period. You are wasting
money on protein, big time.

Is somebody keeping score? Who's ahead in the Wrong Things Posted
Contest?
Locker or <<joni>>?

<<joni>> does occasionally get things right, so, I'd say Locker is

probably

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winning.

David

<<joni>> only gets things right when the webpage she's copying/pasting
from
gets it right (which isn't often). I've yet to see Locker get it right,
maybe he should consider the copy/paste method so that he can at least
claim
to be as smart as an idiot (IOW <<joni>>😉

not to get too philosophical but who really knows who's right with this
stuff? unless you've done the research yourself, then you've heard the info
2nd-, 3rd-, 4th-hand and you have no idea if what you're hearing is correct.
i'm not defending or picking on anyone in particular here, but i take just
about anything here with a grain of salt. there are just way too many
self-promoters in this arena with products to sell or egos to feed that you
really have no idea what someone's agenda is. and moreover, what is
"right"? this place is good for getting general guidelines to work by, but
what works for YOU you're just gonna have to find out on your own, and that
will be the right answer for you. if someone says .3 g/lb bodyweight works
for them then it's not wrong for them, is it?

back to the question at hand, for myself, i found that i do need ~1 g
protein per lb bodyweight, to gain muscle. i've never tried more than that
because i never felt the need. get some whey protein and get a membership
to BJ's or similar and stock up on bulk chicken breast, lean ground beef,
fish, eggs, milk, etc. if you these things regularly, it's not hard to get
your protein totals up. this is coming from someone who's 6'6", 250 lbs.

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Spammers_Should_Be_Shot said:

David Cohen said:

"locker" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> John wrote:
>> "DVDfanatico" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
>> news:[email hidden]...
>> I've heard that lifters should eat 1 gram of protein per pound
>> of
>> body weight. I´m 207 pounds. How on earth can a person consume
>> 210
>> grams of protein a day? A turkey sandwich has about 13 grams
>> of
>> protein. Most protein supplements I´ve seen have about 20
>> grams of
>> protein. Are you supposed to have 10 protein shakes a day?
>>
>> Right now, I'm ingesting around 400g of protein
>
> Sorry to hear that. Your body can't process/use the amino acids
> in 400g of protein during a 24 hour period. You are wasting
> money on protein, big time.

Is somebody keeping score? Who's ahead in the Wrong Things Posted
Contest?
Locker or <<joni>>?

<<joni>> does occasionally get things right, so, I'd say Locker is
probably winning.

<<joni>> only gets things right when the webpage she's copying/pasting
from
gets it right (which isn't often). I've yet to see Locker get it right,
maybe he should consider the copy/paste method so that he can at least
claim
to be as smart as an idiot (IOW <<joni>>😉

not to get too philosophical but who really knows who's right with this
stuff? unless you've done the research yourself, then you've heard the info
2nd-, 3rd-, 4th-hand and you have no idea if what you're hearing is correct.

Some of us in MFW have read the actual studies -- not the hype from
supplement web sites -- but articles published in peer-reviewed
journals. And some of us understand the physiological processes
involved in protein metabolism.

"locker" is not in either of those categories.

locker said:

Sorry to hear that. Your body can't process/use the amino acids
in 400g of protein during a 24 hour period. You are wasting
money on protein, big time.

You seem to have invented the "eat as much protein as you like diet".
400g of protein is 1600 calories or theabouts. So what you are
claiming is that I can eat as much protein as I like and not put on
any weight - cool.

Sadly it's not true

Ray

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locker said:

Sorry to hear that. Your body can't process/use the amino acids
in 400g of protein during a 24 hour period. You are wasting
money on protein, big time.

You seem to have invented the "eat as much protein as you like diet".
400g of protein is 1600 calories or theabouts. So what you are
claiming is that I can eat as much protein as I like and not put on
any weight - cool.

If you have 400 g of protein say with meat you are eating 2600 calories

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Nate C. said:

Spammers_Should_Be_Shot said:

"David Cohen" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> "locker" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> > John wrote:
> >> "DVDfanatico" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> >> news:[email hidden]...
> >> I've heard that lifters should eat 1 gram of protein per pound
> >> of
> >> body weight. I´m 207 pounds. How on earth can a person consume
> >> 210
> >> grams of protein a day? A turkey sandwich has about 13 grams
> >> of
> >> protein. Most protein supplements I´ve seen have about 20
> >> grams of
> >> protein. Are you supposed to have 10 protein shakes a day?
> >>
> >> Right now, I'm ingesting around 400g of protein
> >
> > Sorry to hear that. Your body can't process/use the amino acids
> > in 400g of protein during a 24 hour period. You are wasting
> > money on protein, big time.
>
> Is somebody keeping score? Who's ahead in the Wrong Things Posted
> Contest?
> Locker or <<joni>>?
>
> <<joni>> does occasionally get things right, so, I'd say Locker is
> probably winning.

<<joni>> only gets things right when the webpage she's copying/pasting
from
gets it right (which isn't often). I've yet to see Locker get it

right,

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maybe he should consider the copy/paste method so that he can at least
claim
to be as smart as an idiot (IOW <<joni>>😉

not to get too philosophical but who really knows who's right with this
stuff? unless you've done the research yourself, then you've heard the

info

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2nd-, 3rd-, 4th-hand and you have no idea if what you're hearing is

correct.

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Some of us in MFW have read the actual studies -- not the hype from
supplement web sites -- but articles published in peer-reviewed
journals. And some of us understand the physiological processes
involved in protein metabolism.

"locker" is not in either of those categories.

Can I be in both categories? 😉 This article even mentions Lyle.
http://www.femalemuscle.com/library/weekly/aa101399.htm

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locker said:

Sorry to hear that. Your body can't process/use the amino acids
in 400g of protein during a 24 hour period. You are wasting
money on protein, big time.

You seem to have invented the "eat as much protein as you like diet".
400g of protein is 1600 calories or theabouts. So what you are
claiming is that I can eat as much protein as I like and not put on
any weight - cool.

Sadly it's not true

Your post is confusing as to whom it is directed, but I'll assume it's
towards me.

No. It's winter, and I really don't care about gaining a little fat. I would
rather eat too much protein and carbs and maximize the muscle growth
potential, than eat too little and deprive myself. I can cut before summer.
And if I weren't on anything, I wouldn't eat that much.

John said:

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Nate C. said:

"Spammers_Should_Be_Shot" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> "David Cohen" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>> "locker" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>> > John wrote:
>> >> "DVDfanatico" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
>> >> news:[email hidden]...
>> >> I've heard that lifters should eat 1 gram of protein per pound
>> >> of
>> >> body weight. I´m 207 pounds. How on earth can a person consume
>> >> 210
>> >> grams of protein a day? A turkey sandwich has about 13 grams
>> >> of
>> >> protein. Most protein supplements I´ve seen have about 20
>> >> grams of
>> >> protein. Are you supposed to have 10 protein shakes a day?
>> >>
>> >> Right now, I'm ingesting around 400g of protein
>> >
>> > Sorry to hear that. Your body can't process/use the amino acids
>> > in 400g of protein during a 24 hour period. You are wasting
>> > money on protein, big time.
>>
>> Is somebody keeping score? Who's ahead in the Wrong Things Posted
>> Contest?
>> Locker or <<joni>>?
>>
>> <<joni>> does occasionally get things right, so, I'd say Locker is
>> probably winning.
>
> <<joni>> only gets things right when the webpage she's copying/pasting
> from
> gets it right (which isn't often). I've yet to see Locker get it

right,

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> maybe he should consider the copy/paste method so that he can at least
> claim
> to be as smart as an idiot (IOW <<joni>>😉

not to get too philosophical but who really knows who's right with this
stuff? unless you've done the research yourself, then you've heard the

info

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Quoted message said:

2nd-, 3rd-, 4th-hand and you have no idea if what you're hearing is

correct.

Quoted message said:

Some of us in MFW have read the actual studies -- not the hype from
supplement web sites -- but articles published in peer-reviewed
journals. And some of us understand the physiological processes
involved in protein metabolism.

"locker" is not in either of those categories.

Can I be in both categories? 😉 This article even mentions Lyle.
http://www.femalemuscle.com/library/weekly/aa101399.htm

Not with that one. Do you see one reference to the studies done by
Tipton and Wolfe at UT during the last ten years?

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locker said:

Sorry to hear that. Your body can't process/use the amino acids
in 400g of protein during a 24 hour period. You are wasting
money on protein, big time.

You seem to have invented the "eat as much protein as you like diet".
400g of protein is 1600 calories or theabouts. So what you are
claiming is that I can eat as much protein as I like and not put on
any weight - cool.

Sadly it's not true

Your post is confusing as to whom it is directed, but I'll assume it's
towards me.

No. It's winter, and I really don't care about gaining a little fat. I would
rather eat too much protein and carbs and maximize the muscle growth
potential, than eat too little and deprive myself. I can cut before summer.
And if I weren't on anything, I wouldn't eat that much.

He was directing that at "locker." A purely logical argument. Never
mind trying to explain deamination and gluconeogenesis to "locker."
He surely recognizes that protein can be metabolized, even if he
doesn't understand how, and he probably knows that the energy value is
about 4 kcal/gm. If the body can't possibly metabolize 400 grams per
day, does that mean one can eat unlimited protein without gaining body
fat? I don't think so.

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John said:

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On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 08:30:27 -0800, "locker" <[email hidden]> wrote:

>Sorry to hear that. Your body can't process/use the amino acids
>in 400g of protein during a 24 hour period. You are wasting
>money on protein, big time.

You seem to have invented the "eat as much protein as you like diet".
400g of protein is 1600 calories or theabouts. So what you are
claiming is that I can eat as much protein as I like and not put on
any weight - cool.

Sadly it's not true

Your post is confusing as to whom it is directed, but I'll assume it's
towards me.

No. It's winter, and I really don't care about gaining a little fat. I
would
rather eat too much protein and carbs and maximize the muscle growth
potential, than eat too little and deprive myself. I can cut before
summer.
And if I weren't on anything, I wouldn't eat that much.

He was directing that at "locker." A purely logical argument. Never
mind trying to explain deamination and gluconeogenesis to "locker."
He surely recognizes that protein can be metabolized, even if he
doesn't understand how, and he probably knows that the energy value is
about 4 kcal/gm. If the body can't possibly metabolize 400 grams per
day, does that mean one can eat unlimited protein without gaining body
fat? I don't think so.

The statement was technically incorrect but given the context it is a safe
assumption that "process/use" refers specifically to muscle growth, and not
merely to digestion and caloric content.

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John said:

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On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 08:30:27 -0800, "locker" <[email hidden]> wrote:

>Sorry to hear that. Your body can't process/use the amino acids
>in 400g of protein during a 24 hour period. You are wasting
>money on protein, big time.

You seem to have invented the "eat as much protein as you like diet".
400g of protein is 1600 calories or theabouts. So what you are
claiming is that I can eat as much protein as I like and not put on
any weight - cool.

Sadly it's not true

Your post is confusing as to whom it is directed, but I'll assume it's
towards me.

No. It's winter, and I really don't care about gaining a little fat. I

would

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rather eat too much protein and carbs and maximize the muscle growth
potential, than eat too little and deprive myself. I can cut before

summer.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

And if I weren't on anything, I wouldn't eat that much.

He was directing that at "locker." A purely logical argument. Never
mind trying to explain deamination and gluconeogenesis to "locker."
He surely recognizes that protein can be metabolized, even if he
doesn't understand how, and he probably knows that the energy value is
about 4 kcal/gm. If the body can't possibly metabolize 400 grams per
day, does that mean one can eat unlimited protein without gaining body
fat? I don't think so.

I don't think so, either. But, 400g is only 2g/lb for me. Will says at least
1.7g/lb for strength exercisers. http://www.brinkzone.com/protein.html So,
I'm not too far off.

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I'm surprised he didn't tell me my kidney's are going to shutdown.

They already have.

ATP* said:

JMW said:

John said:

"rmr" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 08:30:27 -0800, "locker" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
> >Sorry to hear that. Your body can't process/use the amino acids
> >in 400g of protein during a 24 hour period. You are wasting
> >money on protein, big time.
>
> You seem to have invented the "eat as much protein as you like diet".
> 400g of protein is 1600 calories or theabouts. So what you are
> claiming is that I can eat as much protein as I like and not put on
> any weight - cool.
>
> Sadly it's not true

Your post is confusing as to whom it is directed, but I'll assume it's
towards me.

No. It's winter, and I really don't care about gaining a little fat. I
would
rather eat too much protein and carbs and maximize the muscle growth
potential, than eat too little and deprive myself. I can cut before
summer.
And if I weren't on anything, I wouldn't eat that much.

He was directing that at "locker." A purely logical argument. Never
mind trying to explain deamination and gluconeogenesis to "locker."
He surely recognizes that protein can be metabolized, even if he
doesn't understand how, and he probably knows that the energy value is
about 4 kcal/gm. If the body can't possibly metabolize 400 grams per
day, does that mean one can eat unlimited protein without gaining body
fat? I don't think so.

The statement was technically incorrect but given the context it is a safe
assumption that "process/use" refers specifically to muscle growth, and not
merely to digestion and caloric content.

You're never going to have a majority of amino acids going to muscle
protein accretion. However, the studies indicate that a substantial
circulating amino acid pool and pulsed increases in the amino acid
pool tend to benefit muscle protein accretion after heavy resistance
training. Any thoughts on how one might accomplish that?

John said:

JMW said:

John said:

"rmr" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 08:30:27 -0800, "locker" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
> >Sorry to hear that. Your body can't process/use the amino acids
> >in 400g of protein during a 24 hour period. You are wasting
> >money on protein, big time.
>
> You seem to have invented the "eat as much protein as you like diet".
> 400g of protein is 1600 calories or theabouts. So what you are
> claiming is that I can eat as much protein as I like and not put on
> any weight - cool.
>
> Sadly it's not true

Your post is confusing as to whom it is directed, but I'll assume it's
towards me.

No. It's winter, and I really don't care about gaining a little fat.
I would
rather eat too much protein and carbs and maximize the muscle growth
potential, than eat too little and deprive myself. I can cut before
summer. And if I weren't on anything, I wouldn't eat that much.

He was directing that at "locker." A purely logical argument. Never
mind trying to explain deamination and gluconeogenesis to "locker."
He surely recognizes that protein can be metabolized, even if he
doesn't understand how, and he probably knows that the energy value is
about 4 kcal/gm. If the body can't possibly metabolize 400 grams per
day, does that mean one can eat unlimited protein without gaining body
fat? I don't think so.

I don't think so, either. But, 400g is only 2g/lb for me. Will says at least
1.7g/lb for strength exercisers. http://www.brinkzone.com/protein.html So,
I'm not too far off.

Read more closely, John. It's 1.7 grams per KILOGRAM. That was Peter
Lemon's recommendation back in 1991, and as recently as 2000.[1,2]
And in a review in 2004, Tipton and Wolfe indicate that 2.5-3.0 grams
per kilogram is plenty for strength athletes and those seeking
muscular hypertrophy.[3]

[1] Lemon PW. Protein and amino acid needs of the strength athlete.
Int J Sport Nutr. 1991 Jun;1(2):127-45.

[2] Lemon PW. Beyond the zone: protein needs of active individuals. J
Am Coll Nutr. 2000 Oct;19(5 Suppl):513S-521S.

[3]Tipton KD, Wolfe RR. Protein and amino acids for athletes. J Sports
Sci. 2004 Jan;22(1):65-79.

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ATP* said:

JMW said:

"John" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>"rmr" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>> On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 08:30:27 -0800, "locker" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>
>> >Sorry to hear that. Your body can't process/use the amino acids
>> >in 400g of protein during a 24 hour period. You are wasting
>> >money on protein, big time.
>>
>> You seem to have invented the "eat as much protein as you like diet".
>> 400g of protein is 1600 calories or theabouts. So what you are
>> claiming is that I can eat as much protein as I like and not put on
>> any weight - cool.
>>
>> Sadly it's not true
>
>Your post is confusing as to whom it is directed, but I'll assume it's
>towards me.
>
>No. It's winter, and I really don't care about gaining a little fat. I
>would
>rather eat too much protein and carbs and maximize the muscle growth
>potential, than eat too little and deprive myself. I can cut before
>summer.
>And if I weren't on anything, I wouldn't eat that much.

He was directing that at "locker." A purely logical argument. Never
mind trying to explain deamination and gluconeogenesis to "locker."
He surely recognizes that protein can be metabolized, even if he
doesn't understand how, and he probably knows that the energy value is
about 4 kcal/gm. If the body can't possibly metabolize 400 grams per
day, does that mean one can eat unlimited protein without gaining body
fat? I don't think so.

The statement was technically incorrect but given the context it is a safe
assumption that "process/use" refers specifically to muscle growth, and
not
merely to digestion and caloric content.

You're never going to have a majority of amino acids going to muscle
protein accretion. However, the studies indicate that a substantial
circulating amino acid pool and pulsed increases in the amino acid
pool tend to benefit muscle protein accretion after heavy resistance
training. Any thoughts on how one might accomplish that?

Intake of easily digestible proteins at intervals? I always wonder what the
cost/benefit ratio is. Are we talking about ingesting massive amounts of
extra protein to put on an extra two ounces of muscle or five pounds over
six months?

ATP* said:

JMW said:

ATP* said:

"JMW" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> "John" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>"rmr" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 08:30:27 -0800, "locker" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>
>>> >Sorry to hear that. Your body can't process/use the amino acids
>>> >in 400g of protein during a 24 hour period. You are wasting
>>> >money on protein, big time.
>>>
>>> You seem to have invented the "eat as much protein as you like diet".
>>> 400g of protein is 1600 calories or theabouts. So what you are
>>> claiming is that I can eat as much protein as I like and not put on
>>> any weight - cool.
>>>
>>> Sadly it's not true
>>
>>Your post is confusing as to whom it is directed, but I'll assume it's
>>towards me.
>>
>>No. It's winter, and I really don't care about gaining a little fat. I
>>would
>>rather eat too much protein and carbs and maximize the muscle growth
>>potential, than eat too little and deprive myself. I can cut before
>>summer.
>>And if I weren't on anything, I wouldn't eat that much.
>
> He was directing that at "locker." A purely logical argument. Never
> mind trying to explain deamination and gluconeogenesis to "locker."
> He surely recognizes that protein can be metabolized, even if he
> doesn't understand how, and he probably knows that the energy value is
> about 4 kcal/gm. If the body can't possibly metabolize 400 grams per
> day, does that mean one can eat unlimited protein without gaining body
> fat? I don't think so.

The statement was technically incorrect but given the context it is a safe
assumption that "process/use" refers specifically to muscle growth, and
not
merely to digestion and caloric content.

You're never going to have a majority of amino acids going to muscle
protein accretion. However, the studies indicate that a substantial
circulating amino acid pool and pulsed increases in the amino acid
pool tend to benefit muscle protein accretion after heavy resistance
training. Any thoughts on how one might accomplish that?

Intake of easily digestible proteins at intervals? I always wonder what the
cost/benefit ratio is. Are we talking about ingesting massive amounts of
extra protein to put on an extra two ounces of muscle or five pounds over
six months?

Please see the references in my earlier post. One of them is free:

http://www.jacn.org/cgi/reprint/19/suppl_5/513S

Resistance training is a key element, and timing intake around
training sessions may be an important factor.