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  1. Quoted message said:

    Im new to using news groups and i haven't well ever used one. I've just
    decided to use this as i want some information, i live in the UK and am
    planning a cycling holiday in Holland, are there any tips you can give me,

    A somewhat belated reaction, but I've just returned from Eire.

    First some links, unfortunatedly all are in Dutch, but that'll give
    you some practice with the language :-)

    www.natuurkampeerterreinen.nl small, "green" campings, you'll need a
    card to use them.
    Other campings tend to be full of chalets and semi-permanent caravans,
    but some have a seperate "trekkersveld" for proper campers.

    http://www.fietsplatform.nl/ for the Dutch equivalent of Sustrans
    routes: just as winding, but generally better surfaced.

    As for where to go: I'd avoid the south (anything south of the big
    rivers) since the (compulsory!) cycle lanes are rather substandard
    there, and the west, since it's too urbanized.
    My own favorite is the left (south) bank of the Waal river: little
    opportunity to take a wrong turn, good roads, fairly quit (esp. the
    eastern stretch wich is mostly banned for cars) and typical Dutch!
    Going round the Ijsselmeer (the former Zuiderzee) is another classic:
    there's a signposted route of about 400 km.
    Gelderland, Achterhoek and Twenthe, all in the east and deep east are
    good cycling territories too (or I'm just shamelessy plugging my own
    neck of the woods...)

    Bear in mind that all of the Netherlands is heavily urbanized (if not
    as heavily suburbanized as Blighty), mostly very flat, and either wet
    or hot in summer.

    If any of your group has a Garmin GPS I could mail you some routes and
    tracks.

    Mark van Gorkom.

  2. Mark van Gorkom said:

    Bear in mind that all of the Netherlands is heavily urbanized (if not
    as heavily suburbanized as Blighty), mostly very flat

    I was pleasantly surprised on my 2 visits earlier this year how easy it
    seemed to be to get out into rural areas[1]. Might not be far to the
    next village, but that's hardly a problem.

    Pete.

    [1] a native guide that likes to plan things well wouldn't have been a
    hindrance, mind!
    --
    Peter Clinch University of Dundee
    Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Medical Physics, Ninewells Hospital
    Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
    net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

  3. Peter Clinch <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Mark van Gorkom said:

    Bear in mind that all of the Netherlands is heavily urbanized (if not
    as heavily suburbanized as Blighty), mostly very flat

    I was pleasantly surprised on my 2 visits earlier this year how easy it
    seemed to be to get out into rural areas[1]. Might not be far to the
    next village, but that's hardly a problem.

    Pete.

    [1] a native guide that likes to plan things well wouldn't have been a
    hindrance, mind!

    If you want somewhere close to the Tunnel, Zeeland is excellent; you
    can camp in Zeeland Flanders (near Breskens) and get one of the 2 free
    ferries over to Walcheran, where you will find a very good mix of the
    old and the rural. My favourite memory is of finding a fish shop that
    sold superb battered cod and haddock, but no chips, you have to go
    next door and have them covered in mayo (but also superb). Whatever
    you decide to do, enjoy ;-)

  4. MartinM said:

    My favourite memory is of finding a fish shop that
    sold superb battered cod and haddock, but no chips, you have to go
    next door and have them covered in mayo (but also superb).

    I have come to the conclusion through much comparative sampling that the
    Belgians and Dutch have Got The Right Idea with mayo on chips. It's
    interesting to see you found battered cod and haddock, Roos' main gripe
    about fish suppers over here seems to be you have to waste time removing
    the batter they will insist on cooking the fish in...
    I was not too hopeful about enjoying a raw herring roll, but it was
    actually very good indeed.

    Pete.
    --
    Peter Clinch University of Dundee
    Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Medical Physics, Ninewells Hospital
    Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
    net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

  5. Peter Clinch said:

    MartinM wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    My favourite memory is of finding a fish shop that
    sold superb battered cod and haddock, but no chips, you have to go
    next door and have them covered in mayo (but also superb).

    Quoted message said:

    I have come to the conclusion through much comparative sampling that the
    Belgians and Dutch have Got The Right Idea with mayo on chips. It's
    interesting to see you found battered cod and haddock, Roos' main gripe
    about fish suppers over here seems to be you have to waste time removing
    the batter they will insist on cooking the fish in...

    Maybe there is a clue in the word "superb" he used...

    Roos

  6. Peter Clinch <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    MartinM said:

    My favourite memory is of finding a fish shop that
    sold superb battered cod and haddock, but no chips, you have to go
    next door and have them covered in mayo (but also superb).

    I have come to the conclusion through much comparative sampling that the
    Belgians and Dutch have Got The Right Idea with mayo on chips. It's
    interesting to see you found battered cod and haddock,

    Indeed, in Westkapelle, or maybe Zoutelande; it had an old tank if
    that helps, I also remember one of those big church towers without a
    steeple, with a lighthouse on top!

    Quoted message said:

    I was not too hopeful about enjoying a raw herring roll, but it was
    actually very good indeed.

    Sorry, I am willing to embrace all aspects of the wonderful fusion
    that is Euro cuisine, but the words _raw_ and _fish_ in the same
    sentence? would you be Japanese by any chance?

  7. MartinM said:

    Peter Clinch <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    MartinM said:

    My favourite memory is of finding a fish shop that
    sold superb battered cod and haddock, but no chips, you have to go
    next door and have them covered in mayo (but also superb).

    I have come to the conclusion through much comparative sampling that the
    Belgians and Dutch have Got The Right Idea with mayo on chips. It's
    interesting to see you found battered cod and haddock,

    Indeed, in Westkapelle, or maybe Zoutelande; it had an old tank if
    that helps, I also remember one of those big church towers without a
    steeple, with a lighthouse on top!

    Quoted message said:

    I was not too hopeful about enjoying a raw herring roll, but it was
    actually very good indeed.

    Sorry, I am willing to embrace all aspects of the wonderful fusion
    that is Euro cuisine, but the words _raw_ and _fish_ in the same
    sentence? would you be Japanese by any chance?

    Many people around the North and Baltic Seas eat raw herrings (they're
    actually lightly pickled). In fact, the matjes herring season starts at
    the end of May and is eagerly awaited by millions of people.

    You should try some - they really are most delicious.

    It's also the asparagus season, another culinary delight.

    --
    Michael MacClancy
    Random putdown - "I feel so miserable without you, it's almost like having
    you here." -Stephen Bishop
    www.macclancy.demon.co.uk
    www.macclancy.co.uk

  8. in message <[email hidden]>, MartinM

    (') said:

    Peter Clinch <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    I was not too hopeful about enjoying a raw herring roll, but it was
    actually very good indeed.

    Sorry, I am willing to embrace all aspects of the wonderful fusion
    that is Euro cuisine, but the words _raw_ and _fish_ in the same
    sentence? would you be Japanese by any chance?

    Raw fish is often very good indeed. Provided it's fresh enough. Yum.

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

    ... a mild, inoffensive sadist...

  9. MartinM said:

    Sorry, I am willing to embrace all aspects of the wonderful fusion
    that is Euro cuisine, but the words _raw_ and _fish_ in the same
    sentence? would you be Japanese by any chance?

    No, I've never been able to face Sushi before, but coming off the back
    of over a decade of being a veggie I'm willing to experiment a bit
    lately and see what I still like the taste of (I'd just ceased to find
    meat and fish appetising, but they're tickling my taste buds again now).
    Roos stopped at a "haring" stall having been missing the stuff over
    here, and I had an exploratory bite... and it was really very nice, so I
    had one myself. Very happy to stop for one as a snack on the last visit.
    Give it a try: it's not much and as you can get it takeaway and be
    outside on sampling you can always spit it straight out if it offends!

    Pete.
    --
    Peter Clinch University of Dundee
    Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Medical Physics, Ninewells Hospital
    Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
    net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

  10. Peter Clinch <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    MartinM said:

    Sorry, I am willing to embrace all aspects of the wonderful fusion
    that is Euro cuisine, but the words _raw_ and _fish_ in the same
    sentence? would you be Japanese by any chance?

    No, I've never been able to face Sushi before, but coming off the back
    of over a decade of being a veggie I'm willing to experiment a bit
    lately and see what I still like the taste of (I'd just ceased to find
    meat and fish appetising, but they're tickling my taste buds again now).
    Roos stopped at a "haring" stall having been missing the stuff over
    here, and I had an exploratory bite... and it was really very nice, so I
    had one myself. Very happy to stop for one as a snack on the last visit.
    Give it a try:

    I'm sure I've had rollmops, nice, but they are not raw as such?
    bought some herring in mustard sauce from the Swede shop in Ikea,
    Yeeeucch, like eating slugs!

  11. in message <[email hidden]>, MartinM

    (') said:

    Peter Clinch <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    MartinM said:

    Sorry, I am willing to embrace all aspects of the wonderful fusion
    that is Euro cuisine, but the words _raw_ and _fish_ in the same
    sentence? would you be Japanese by any chance?

    No, I've never been able to face Sushi before, but coming off the
    back of over a decade of being a veggie I'm willing to experiment a
    bit lately and see what I still like the taste of (I'd just ceased to
    find meat and fish appetising, but they're tickling my taste buds
    again now).
    Roos stopped at a "haring" stall having been missing the stuff over
    here, and I had an exploratory bite... and it was really very nice,
    so I
    had one myself. Very happy to stop for one as a snack on the last
    visit. Give it a try:

    I'm sure I've had rollmops, nice, but they are not raw as such?
    bought some herring in mustard sauce from the Swede shop in Ikea,
    Yeeeucch, like eating slugs!

    Oh, no. One of the real gastronomic joys of visiting Sweden (and there
    are many) is tre sorte sild for breakfast - pickled herrings in a
    variety of pickles (often more than three kinds, in fact). Yum,
    gorgeous.

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

    ;; It appears that /dev/null is a conforming XSL processor.

  12. Peter Clinch <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:


    No, I've never been able to face Sushi before, but coming off the back
    of over a decade of being a veggie I'm willing to experiment a bit
    lately and see what I still like the taste of (I'd just ceased to find
    meat and fish appetising, but they're tickling my taste buds again now).
    Roos stopped at a "haring" stall having been missing the stuff over
    here, and I had an exploratory bite... and it was really very nice, so I
    had one myself. Very happy to stop for one as a snack on the last visit.
    Give it a try: it's not much and as you can get it takeaway and be
    outside on sampling you can always spit it straight out if it offends!

    The haring from the stalls is not actually raw as such, when I tried
    it it had been pickled in strong vinegar which had a sort of "cooking
    effect" on it. It was nowhere as disgusting as rollmops. I've been to
    Holland dozens of times over the past 30 years and don't eat the Dutch
    food much, it seems to be all cheese, egg, ham + frites (which aren't
    bad with the mayo on).

    We always eat in Indonesian restaurants which have fabulous food like
    the Rijstafel, which is a wonderful feast of many different dishes
    served with rice. Once you've eaten in an Indonesian, Dutch food seems
    very bland.

    --

    Simon M.

  13. Simon Mason said:


    The haring from the stalls is not actually raw as such, when I tried
    it it had been pickled in strong vinegar which had a sort of "cooking
    effect" on it.

    Pickling is very similar to cooking in its effect on tissue. You need sushi or
    sashimi if you want to try raw fish. For the freshest sashimi you are eating
    the sliced raw meat while the fish it came from is still alive on the plate.
    About level 6 on my 10 point scarey food scale.

    Tony

  14. On Sat, 22 May 2004 13:47:28 +0100, "Tony Raven"
    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    <[email hidden]>:

    Quoted message said:

    For the freshest sashimi you are eating
    the sliced raw meat while the fish it came from is still alive on the plate.
    About level 6 on my 10 point scarey food scale.

    Unless it's shark, in which case level 10 ;-)

    Guy
    --
    May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
    http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk

    88% of helmet statistics are made up, 65% of them at Washington University

  15. "Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    On Sat, 22 May 2004 13:47:28 +0100, "Tony Raven"
    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    <[email hidden]>:

    Quoted message said:

    For the freshest sashimi you are eating
    the sliced raw meat while the fish it came from is still alive on the plate.
    About level 6 on my 10 point scarey food scale.

    Unless it's shark, in which case level 10 ;-)

    Guy

    Sorry about this people but I suddenly need to ....

    HWALP!!!

    If God had meant us to eat raw fish he would not have invented deep
    fat friers (or barbecues) ;-)

  16. On 22 May 2004 14:35:46 -0700, [email hidden] (MartinM) wrote in
    message <[email hidden]>:

    Quoted message said:

    If God had meant us to eat raw fish he would not have invented deep
    fat friers (or barbecues) ;-)

    One of life's eternal mysteris, is the barbecue. Having invested
    heavily in high-technology cookers designed to prepare food which is
    cooked evenly and to just the right level, why do millions of Britons
    then go out in the garden, light a fire and burn their food?

    Mind you, I can talk. I like dried leaves in boiling water.
    Presumably we are all stupid ape descendants and don't know any
    better...

    Guy
    --
    May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
    http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk

    88% of helmet statistics are made up, 65% of them at Washington University

  17. Just zis Guy said:


    One of life's eternal mysteris, is the barbecue. Having invested
    heavily in high-technology cookers designed to prepare food which is
    cooked evenly and to just the right level, why do millions of Britons
    then go out in the garden, light a fire and burn their food?

    To say nothing of all the carcinogens in BBQd food and the smoke
    http://www.parentsplace.com/expert/nutritionist/qas/0,,240106_115544,00.html?arrivalSA=1&cobrandRef=0&arrival_freqCap=1&pba=adid=8171818

    Tony

  18. Just zis Guy said:


    On 22 May 2004 14:35:46 -0700, [email hidden] (MartinM) wrote in
    message <[email hidden]>:

    Quoted message said:

    If God had meant us to eat raw fish he would not have invented deep
    fat friers (or barbecues) ;-)

    One of life's eternal mysteris, is the barbecue. Having invested
    heavily in high-technology cookers designed to prepare food which is
    cooked evenly and to just the right level, why do millions of Britons
    then go out in the garden, light a fire and burn their food?

    Mind you, I can talk. I like dried leaves in boiling water.
    Presumably we are all stupid ape descendants and don't know any
    better...

    I wonder who it was that dscovered that the dried swim bladder of a
    sturgeon (usually russian) made beer clear?

    'tis obvious that after a heavy night of on the vodka and finishing the
    last bottle, a group of drinkers decided to stir some murky beerski with
    a dried swim bladder only to discover the brewers' dream.

    John B

  19. JohnB <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Just zis Guy said:


    On 22 May 2004 14:35:46 -0700, [email hidden] (MartinM) wrote in
    message <[email hidden]>:

    Quoted message said:

    If God had meant us to eat raw fish he would not have invented deep
    fat friers (or barbecues) ;-)

    One of life's eternal mysteris, is the barbecue. Having invested
    heavily in high-technology cookers designed to prepare food which is
    cooked evenly and to just the right level, why do millions of Britons
    then go out in the garden, light a fire and burn their food?

    Barbecuing need not involve cremation, even if you are a Brit, the
    trick is to get the charcoal white (with no smoke whatsoever) then
    allow the food (preferably NOT meat) to slowly cook and drip oil onto
    the charcoal which then burns and the smoke flavours the food.
    Unfortuantely because I know these facts I end up having to man the
    barbecue while the meat eaters drink beer and eat all my veggy kebabs
    as well as their own (perfectly cooked) meat ;-(

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Mind you, I can talk. I like dried leaves in boiling water.

    Share and Enjoy!

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