Re: High blood pressure

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

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Quoted message said:

Actually, quiting smoking is not likely to have any effect on reducing
the blood pressure.

Strange.... I thought smoking caused blood vessels to constrict which would
in turn raise blood pressure.

Can you cite a source for quitting smoking NOT having any effect on reducing
blood pressure?

"Paul E. Lehmann" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

..............

Quoted message said:

Actually, quiting smoking is not likely to have any effect on reducing
the blood pressure.

Strange.... I thought smoking caused blood vessels to constrict which
would
in turn raise blood pressure.

Can you cite a source for quitting smoking NOT having any effect on
reducing
blood pressure?

He's an [censored].
Dimitri

http://www.intelihealth.com/IH/ihtIH/WSIHW000/8315/24742.html

Stop smoking. Not only will this help keep your blood pressure in line,
you'll also diminish your risk of cancer and cardiovascular diseases.

NIH

http://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/hbp/prevent/factors/smoke.htm

Does Smoking Tobacco Cause High Blood Pressure?

No. However, it can temporarily raise blood pressure, and it DOES increase
the risk of heart and blood vessel diseases.
Smoking and Heart Health
Smoking injures blood vessel walls and speeds up the process of hardening of
the arteries. So even though it does not cause high blood pressure, smoking
is bad for anyone, especially those with high blood pressure. If you smoke,
quit. If you don't smoke, don't start. Once you quit, your risk of having a
heart attack is reduced after the first year. So you have a lot to gain by
quitting.

One more:

http://familydoctor.org/092.xml

How do tobacco products affect blood pressure?
The nicotine in cigarettes and other tobacco products causes your blood
vessels to constrict and your heart to beat faster, which temporarily raises
your blood pressure. If you quit smoking or using other tobacco products,
you can significantly lower your risk of heart disease and heart attack, as
well as help lower your blood pressure.

Dimitri said:

"Paul E. Lehmann" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

..............

Quoted message said:

Actually, quiting smoking is not likely to have any effect on reducing
the blood pressure.

Strange.... I thought smoking caused blood vessels to constrict which
would
in turn raise blood pressure.

Can you cite a source for quitting smoking NOT having any effect on
reducing
blood pressure?

He's an [censored].
Dimitri

<snip>

My Dr. has yelled at me for years to quit. Now, he had nothing to do
with it but on February 3 of this year I just decided that enough was
enough and quit cold turkey after smoking for 41 years. No patches,
gums, patches, nothin'. Believe it or not, it wasn't really all that
bad! I guess that I was just ready.

--
Steve

Ever wonder about those people who spend $2.00 apiece on those little
bottles of Evian water? Try spelling Evian backwards...

"Steve Calvin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Dimitri said:

"Paul E. Lehmann" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

..............

>Actually, quiting smoking is not likely to have any effect on reducing
>the blood pressure.

Strange.... I thought smoking caused blood vessels to constrict which
would
in turn raise blood pressure.

Can you cite a source for quitting smoking NOT having any effect on
reducing
blood pressure?

He's an [censored].
Dimitri

<snip>

My Dr. has yelled at me for years to quit. Now, he had nothing to do with
it but on February 3 of this year I just decided that enough was enough
and quit cold turkey after smoking for 41 years. No patches, gums,
patches, nothin'. Believe it or not, it wasn't really all that bad! I
guess that I was just ready.

--
Steve

If you think you ever need reinforcement got the silkquit meter at
www.silkquit.org

Don't let the other half see it - They will want to spend the money you've
saved.

As you can see I quit too No patches, no nothing for me it was nasty for
about 2 weeks.

Dimitri

Three years, nine months, one week, two days, 23 hours, 26 minutes and 52
seconds. 48404 cigarettes not smoked, saving $9,069.49. Life saved: 24
weeks, 1 hour, 40 minutes.

"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Sorry my being openly Christian continues to bother you.

LOL. It's not your being "openly Christian" that bothers so many people,
Andy. It's being openly a cross-posting, manic, passive-aggressive, OCD,
hyper-religious, bandwidth wasting whack job that causes so many to respond
negatively to you.

GG

Dimitri said:

If you think you ever need reinforcement got the silkquit meter at
www.silkquit.org

Don't let the other half see it - They will want to spend the money you've
saved.

As you can see I quit too No patches, no nothing for me it was nasty for
about 2 weeks.

Dimitri

Thanks for the link Dimitri but I don't think that I need it.
Appearently, I was just plain "ready".

Congratulations on you're quitting too! It really was no problem for
me. Dunno why and I'm not questioning it! ;-)

As for the $ savings, I just tonight treated myself to a system
upgrade. ;-) Should be here in a week or so. I'm gonna use my A31 as
a linux test platform and then migrate the new one over as well. This
WinDoZe crud sux!

Pentium® M processor 1.70GHz
IBM a/b/g WiFi
Microsoft Windows XP Professional
Bluetooth wireless9 (who cares?)
15.0" UXGA-IPS (1600x1200) Display
128MB ATI® Mobility™ FireGL™ T2 Graphics
1GB DDR SDRAM
400Mhz Front Side Bus
60GB Ultra HS HDD (7200 rpm)
UltrabayTM Enhanced Multi-Burner
Lithium battery - up to 5.5 hour battery life

--
Steve

Ever wonder about those people who spend $2.00 apiece on those little
bottles of Evian water? Try spelling Evian backwards...

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"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Sorry my being openly Christian continues to bother you.

LOL. It's not your being "openly Christian" that bothers so many people,
Andy. It's being openly a cross-posting, manic, passive-aggressive, OCD,
hyper-religious, bandwidth wasting whack job that causes so many to
respond
negatively to you.

GG

From what little I've read of his posts the past few days, I'd say you
summed him up on a day when his meds were working...

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In truth, the way that Gary is acting is without any medications
prescribed by me. It does seem that he may benefit from an anxiolytic
or two.

You will be in my prayers, dear neighbor, whom I love, in Lord Christ's
holy name.

May you accept Him as your personal Lord and Savior, someday, so that
you too will have eternal life and the unimaginable riches of His
infinite kingdom.

Here's how:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He is
the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2 which
is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments, the 2
arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the
Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the
2PD Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make His
presence known here on Usenet :-)

Also, note that Exodus 16:16 continues to remind us that 16 oz plus 16
oz makes 2 pounds, which is "a certain measure of weight," which is what
"omer" literally means in Hebrew.

Enter the 2PD-OMER Approach:

http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp

At His service,

Andrew

--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist

**
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(3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A
(4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A
(5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A
(6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A
(7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

Maverick said:

"GaryG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Sorry my being openly Christian continues to bother you.

LOL. It's not your being "openly Christian" that bothers so many people,
Andy. It's being openly a cross-posting, manic, passive-aggressive, OCD,
hyper-religious, bandwidth wasting whack job that causes so many to
respond
negatively to you.

GG

From what little I've read of his posts the past few days, I'd say you
summed him up on a day when his meds were working...

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Your LOL betrays the doubt that is consuming your soul. Without God,
you really do not have an explanation for what you are experiencing here
on Usenet.

You will remain in my prayers, dear Gary, whom I love, in Lord Christ's
holy name.

May you accept Him as your personal Lord and Savior, someday, so that
you too will have eternal life and the unimaginable riches of His
infinite kingdom.

Here's how:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He is
the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2 which
is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments, the 2
arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the
Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the
2PD Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make His
presence known here on Usenet :-)

Also, note that Exodus 16:16 continues to remind us that 16 oz plus 16
oz makes 2 pounds, which is "a certain measure of weight," which is what
"omer" literally means in Hebrew.

Enter the 2PD-OMER Approach:

http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp

At His service,

Andrew

--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist

**
Suggested Reading:
(1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048
(2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?O2F325D1A
(3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A
(4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A
(5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A
(6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A
(7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

GaryG said:

"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Sorry my being openly Christian continues to bother you.

LOL. It's not your being "openly Christian" that bothers so many people,
Andy. It's being openly a cross-posting, manic, passive-aggressive, OCD,
hyper-religious, bandwidth wasting whack job that causes so many to respond
negatively to you.

GG

"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:1108611255.de0a086835700e70e2d03a6624fd73d0@teranews...

Quoted message said:

Your LOL betrays the doubt that is consuming your soul. Without God,
you really do not have an explanation for what you are experiencing here
on Usenet.

LOL - or, like so many others, I could just find you laughable.

GG

In truth, written laughter is feigned laughter because it is devoid of
spontaneity. Like the painted smile on a clown, the forced attempt at
feigned laughter to hide despair serves only to reveal it.

You will remain in my prayers, dear Gary, whom I love, in Lord Christ's
holy name.

May you accept Him as your personal Lord and Savior, someday, so that
you too will have eternal life and the unimaginable riches of His
infinite kingdom.

Here's how:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He is
the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2 which
is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments, the 2
arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the
Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the
2PD Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make His
presence known here on Usenet :-)

Also, note that Exodus 16:16 continues to remind us that 16 oz plus 16
oz makes 2 pounds, which is "a certain measure of weight," which is what
"omer" literally means in Hebrew.

Enter the 2PD-OMER Approach:

http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp

At His service,

Andrew

--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist

**
Suggested Reading:
(1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048
(2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?O2F325D1A
(3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A
(4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A
(5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A
(6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A
(7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

GaryG said:

"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Your LOL betrays the doubt that is consuming your soul. Without God,
you really do not have an explanation for what you are experiencing here
on Usenet.

LOL - or, like so many others, I could just find you laughable.

GG

"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

In truth, written laughter is feigned laughter because it is devoid of
spontaneity. Like the painted smile on a clown, the forced attempt at
feigned laughter to hide despair serves only to reveal it.

Wow....that was really deep, Andy.

Truth stands independent of your feign.

You will remain in my prayers, dear Gary, whom I love, in Lord Christ's
holy name.

May you accept Him as your personal Lord and Savior, someday, so that
you too will have eternal life and the unimaginable riches of His
infinite kingdom.

Here's how:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He is
the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2 which
is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments, the 2
arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the
Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the
2PD Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make His
presence known here on Usenet :-)

Also, note that Exodus 16:16 continues to remind us that 16 oz plus 16
oz makes 2 pounds, which is "a certain measure of weight," which is what
"omer" literally means in Hebrew.

Enter the 2PD-OMER Approach:

http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp

At His service,

Andrew

--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist

**
Suggested Reading:
(1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048
(2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?O2F325D1A
(3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A
(4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A
(5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A
(6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A
(7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

GaryG said:

"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

In truth, written laughter is feigned laughter because it is devoid of
spontaneity. Like the painted smile on a clown, the forced attempt at
feigned laughter to hide despair serves only to reveal it.

Wow....that was really deep, Andy.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Dimitri said:

"Steve Calvin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

My Dr. has yelled at me for years to quit. Now, he had nothing to do with
it but on February 3 of this year I just decided that enough was enough
and quit cold turkey after smoking for 41 years. No patches, gums,
patches, nothin'. Believe it or not, it wasn't really all that bad! I
guess that I was just ready.

--
Steve

If you think you ever need reinforcement got the silkquit meter at
www.silkquit.org

Don't let the other half see it - They will want to spend the money you've
saved.

As you can see I quit too No patches, no nothing for me it was nasty for
about 2 weeks.

Dimitri

Three years, nine months, one week, two days, 23 hours, 26 minutes and 52
seconds. 48404 cigarettes not smoked, saving $9,069.49. Life saved: 24
weeks, 1 hour, 40 minutes.

I don't understand long term smokers who simply quit without using any
crutches. I used pills (zyban), patches, and frequent visits to the
smoking support group. My blood pressure went through the roof within a
couple of months of my quit date. That certainly wasn't because I
stopped smoking ... I think is was because I started hanging around RFC
too much! ;^)

Dave W.

Quit Date: 2/14/99
Quit Time: 6:29 AM
Time since last smoke: 6Y 0M 0W 3D 0H 49Mns

--
Living in the Ozarks
For email, edu will do.

During times of universal deceit, telling the truth
becomes a revolutionary act. - George Orwell, (1903-1950)

Dave W. said:

I don't understand long term smokers who simply quit without using

any

Quoted message said:

crutches. I used pills (zyban), patches, and frequent visits to the
smoking support group. My blood pressure went through the roof within

a

Quoted message said:

couple of months of my quit date. That certainly wasn't because I
stopped smoking ... I think is was because I started hanging around

RFC

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too much! ;^)

My mother smoked for over 40 years. She tried to quit any number of
times, using various means, including hypnosis.

In her late 50s, she started having chest pains. The doctor handed her
some nitroglycerin tablets. At that point, her previous cigarette was
her last. She simply never lit up again. She never talked about it
being
difficult, but then again she had strong motivation.

Cindy Hamilton

"Dave W." <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:dwesten-

Quoted message said:

I don't understand long term smokers who simply quit without using any
crutches. I used pills (zyban), patches, and frequent visits to the
smoking support group. My blood pressure went through the roof within a
couple of months of my quit date. That certainly wasn't because I
stopped smoking ... I think is was because I started hanging around RFC
too much! ;^)

Dave W.

IMHO

I think there is/are 2 motivations that are absolutely necessary.

First I believe you have to be ready.

Second and for me most important I think there is an absolute need to
understand how the smoking will negatively effect "YOUR PERSONAL" health

With those 2 elements the physical withdrawal becomes at the very least
bearable. Of course the habitual nature is also an important element bit at
the very least that portion of the addiction is not physically painful.

Dimitri

Andrew B. Chung said:

Maverick wrote:

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Quoted message said:

"GaryG" <[email hidden]> wrote

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Quoted message said:

> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote.

Quoted message said:

>>> Sorry my being openly Christian continues to bother you.
>>>
> LOL. It's not your being "openly Christian" that bothers so
> many people, Andy. It's being openly a cross-posting,
> manic,passive-aggressive, OCD, hyper-religious, bandwidth
> wasting whack job that causes so many to respond negatively
> to you.
>
> GG

From what little I've read of his posts the past few days, I'd
say you summed him up on a day when his meds were working...

Quoted message said:

In truth, the way that Gary is acting is without any medications
prescribed by me. It does seem that he may benefit from an
anxiolytic or two.

IKWYABWAI - again. Poor, poor Chung...

Can't see himself. Can't imagine that he's anything but above
criticism. Still trying to say stuff to be hurtful. Not very good at it.

Bob

"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Truth stands independent of your feign.

Thankfully, it also stands independent of your delusional ramblings.

BTW - it appears that your sleep patterns have been highly irregular of
late - your post was made at 4:08 AM (your time). You should see a doctor
about this problem.

GG

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In truth, the way that Gary is acting is without any medications
prescribed by me. It does seem that he may benefit from an anxiolytic
or two.

LOL...I'm rarely anxious, Andy. And, whenever I do feel a bit stressed, I
jump out on my bike for a 25 mile ride...best stress reliever I've found.

What do you do to relieve the rather obvious tension that seems to be
building up in you of late? (Other than post to Usenet :-) ).

GG