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  1. "Espressopithecus (Java Man)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:

    Rode bike today without helmet in morning, didn't hit head and was
    uninjured.

    Walked around at midday outside without helmet and didn't hit head and
    was uninjured.

    Rode bike today with helmet in evening, didn't hit head and was
    uninjured.


    Ditto, but with helmet. If we keep this up for another 20 years, one of
    us may have an accident.

    Perhaps - it depends on your value of "may".

    Head injuries come at a rate of about one per 600 years of cycling non-stop,
    24 hours a day, 365 days a year.

  2. jtaylor said:

    Head injuries come at a rate of about one per 600 years of cycling non-stop,
    24 hours a day, 365 days a year.

    And yet, you're worried about the DANGER of wearing a helmet while
    cycling, and cite this as a prime reason NOT to wear one?

    It's SO confusing.

    Mark Hickey
    Habanero Cycles
    http://www.habcycles.com
    Home of the $795 ti frame

  3. "Mark Hickey" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    jtaylor said:

    Head injuries come at a rate of about one per 600 years of cycling


    non-stop,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    24 hours a day, 365 days a year.

    And yet, you're worried about the DANGER of wearing a helmet while
    cycling, and cite this as a prime reason NOT to wear one?

    I not you do not dispute the rarity of such injuries; why do you think
    wearing a helmet, and the MHLs that result, _are_ necessary?

  4. Mark Hickey said:

    And yet, you're worried about the DANGER of wearing a helmet while
    cycling, and cite this as a prime reason NOT to wear one?

    No, the primary reason not to wear one is it's basically pointless.
    That it might cause danger is simply a refutation of the line that it
    can't /possibly/ do you any harm which is often used as a reason *to*
    wear one.

    Quoted message said:

    It's SO confusing.

    Because you will keep missing the point, that's not surprising...

    Pete.
    --
    Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
    Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
    Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
    net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

  5. in message <[email hidden]>, Mark Hickey

    (') said:
    jtaylor said:

    Head injuries come at a rate of about one per 600 years of cycling
    non-stop, 24 hours a day, 365 days a year.

    And yet, you're worried about the DANGER of wearing a helmet while
    cycling, and cite this as a prime reason NOT to wear one?

    Nobody's worried about the /danger/ of wearing a helmet; we're simply
    pointing out that cycling while wearing a helmet is, on the evidence,
    very slightly less safe than cycling without one. But as both are very
    safe activities, it really comes down to convenience.

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

    ;; Usenet: like distance learning without the learning.

  6. Response to Mark Hickey:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Head injuries come at a rate of about one per 600 years of cycling non-stop,
    24 hours a day, 365 days a year.

    And yet, you're worried about the DANGER of wearing a helmet while
    cycling, and cite this as a prime reason NOT to wear one?

    Simple, really. We're talking about something which happens very
    rarely, but when it *does* happen there's no particular reason to think
    that a helmet will do more good than harm.

    Quoted message said:

    It's SO confusing.

    That kind of depends on how much thought you put into it, doesn't it?

    --
    Mark, UK
    "I have as much authority as the Pope, I just don't have as many people
    who believe it."

  7. Simon Brooke said:

    Nobody's worried about the /danger/ of wearing a helmet;

    You might re-read some posts. (Not that I'd wish that on anyone.)

  8. in message <[email hidden]>, Sorni

    (') said:
    Simon Brooke said:

    Nobody's worried about the /danger/ of wearing a helmet;

    You might re-read some posts. (Not that I'd wish that on anyone.)

    OK, find one where someone - anyone - expresses fear of riding while
    wearing a helmet.

    If someone says riding with a helmet on is more dangerous, that an
    expression of relative risk. It is (on the whole and overall but not
    necessarily in every particular case) /more/ dangerous, but that doesn't
    make it /dangerous/.

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

    ;; this is not a .sig

  9. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Mark Hickey said:
    jtaylor said:

    Head injuries come at a rate of about one per 600 years of cycling non-stop,
    24 hours a day, 365 days a year.

    And yet, you're worried about the DANGER of wearing a helmet while
    cycling, and cite this as a prime reason NOT to wear one?

    It's SO confusing.

    Just because party A understands totally the reasons,
    evidence, and arguments for party B's assessment of a
    matter does not mean party A must _adopt_ party B's
    assessment. You are capable of understanding the thinking
    of those you disagree with; but you do not make the
    effort. Why do you present yourself this way?

    --
    Michael Press

  10. Simon Brooke said:

    in message <[email hidden]>, Sorni

    (') said:

    Simon Brooke wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Nobody's worried about the /danger/ of wearing a helmet;

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    You might re-read some posts. (Not that I'd wish that on anyone.)

    Quoted message said:

    OK, find one where someone - anyone - expresses fear of riding while
    wearing a helmet.

    That Richard guy (I think it was) said wearing helmets causes "many deaths
    and serious injuries". That's one.

  11. in message <[email hidden]>, Sorni

    (') said:
    Simon Brooke said:

    in message <[email hidden]>, Sorni

    (') said:

    Simon Brooke wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > Nobody's worried about the /danger/ of wearing a helmet;

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    You might re-read some posts. (Not that I'd wish that on anyone.)

    Quoted message said:

    OK, find one where someone - anyone - expresses fear of riding while
    wearing a helmet.

    That Richard guy (I think it was) said wearing helmets causes "many
    deaths and serious injuries". That's one.

    On a global scale, he's certainly right. On a global scale, wearing
    helmets certainly causes 'many deaths and serious injuries'. So do shark
    attacks. Do you express fear of going swimming?

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

    ;; I'd rather live in sybar-space

  12. Sorni said:
    Quoted message said:

    OK, find one where someone - anyone - expresses fear of riding while
    wearing a helmet.

    That Richard guy (I think it was) said wearing helmets causes "many deaths
    and serious injuries". That's one.

    Incorrect. I have never used the word 'fear', or any synonym of it, in
    this context.

    R.

  13. Simon Brooke said:

    in message <[email hidden]>, Sorni

    (') said:
    Simon Brooke said:

    in message <[email hidden]>, Sorni
    ([email hidden]'😉 wrote:

    > Simon Brooke wrote:

    Quoted message said:

    >> Nobody's worried about the /danger/ of wearing a helmet;

    Quoted message said:

    > You might re-read some posts. (Not that I'd wish that on anyone.)

    Quoted message said:

    OK, find one where someone - anyone - expresses fear of riding while
    wearing a helmet.

    That Richard guy (I think it was) said wearing helmets causes "many
    deaths and serious injuries". That's one.

    On a global scale, he's certainly right. On a global scale, wearing
    helmets certainly causes 'many deaths and serious injuries'. So do
    shark attacks. Do you express fear of going swimming?

    After stating that "nobody's worried about the /danger/ of wearing a
    helmet", you then asked me to find one person who expressed "fear of riding
    while wearing a helmet". You were wrong in the first place, and I gave you
    an example of the second. What does any of that have to do with ME fearing
    sharks??? (BTW, I don't. Have SCUBA'd right among 'em.)

    I think we're hitting bottom. Finally.

  14. Richard said:
    Sorni said:

    {Name Deleted wrote:}

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    OK, find one where someone - anyone - expresses fear of riding while
    wearing a helmet.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    That Richard guy (I think it was) said wearing helmets causes "many
    deaths and serious injuries". That's one.

    Quoted message said:

    Incorrect. I have never used the word 'fear', or any synonym of it, in
    this context.

    So you EMBRACE death! No wonder you ride lidless! LOL

    (Lighten up, Liberace. Sheesh.)

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