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::: Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
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::::: Ime, calorie counting is not useful in helping people eat less
::::: to lose weight.
:::
::: So, if true, calorie counting should not lead to weight loss,
::: right?
::
:: ## He may be right since so few people STOP eating when they run
:: out of calories (or points for WW followers) for the day. If
:: everyone could stick to say 1100 or 1200 c. a day there would be
:: little obesity.
Quoted message said:But he says the reason is because calorie counting is not
accurate....not that people don't stop eating.
I, for one, stop eating once I get the number I'm shooting for. As a
result, I'm eating less and I'm also losing weight.
$$ I understand. My reply was badly worded. Sorry. It's difficult
to get an accurate calorie count for everything on your plate due to
factors mentioned above. One chop a little fattier or thicker than
another. One chicken leg an ounce heavier than another, one banana
an inch longer than another, etc.
If you go by weight, you can minimize this variance.
Yes, the weight of the food is more useful than the calorie estimate.
The former is sensed whereas the latter is not.
Quoted message said:*BUT* people may weigh and measure
Quoted message said:everything and not be able to stop eating at X number of calories -
if they still feel hungry or empty.
Two points. 1) if they can't stop eating it is not the fault of calorie
counting - if weight loss doesn't follow, then they simply ate more calories
then they need to to produce weight loss.
Ime, hungry people tend to make more errors in estimating calories that
favor surplus. This explains the failure that most people have with
calorie counting as a method of monitoring intake amount.
Quoted message said:2) if they are still hungry, then
perhaps they can eat more and still lose weight.
If they eat more, they will *not* lose weight.
Quoted message said:It's a two prong problem. Their
Quoted message said:calorie counts may be off somewhat and other folks may not have the
willpower to not eat that last small piece of steak in the kitchen.
The calorie counts tend to be more off as a function of increasing
hunger.
Quoted message said:Then they will suffer the same problems on Chung's 2PD.
No. The food scale will not change measurements as a function of
increasing hunger.
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:When I add up my food intake each day I have no way to be very
accurate in calorie counting - all I hope for is to be within 100
either way.
But if you find that you don't lose at 1500, decrease to 1400. If that
doesn't work after a while, move to 1300. Weight loss will eventually
start, if with slight errors in counting. What is harder to control with
calorie counting is the rate of weight loss, and that is due to these
inaccuracies. Also what's hard to figure we what your calorie expendature
is, so since you never really know it, you just have to set your calorie
intake so as to produce weight loss.
Calorie estimates vary with the estimator from moment to moment as a
function of hunger. This remains the reason for the failure of calorie
counting.
Quoted message said:My point is that even if calorie counting is not accurate, it can produce
weight loss in those who really do it and make small changes upon feedback
from the scale, over time.
In my experience, calorie counting does not work for most people who try
it. On the other hand, the 2PD Approach works for *everyone* who tries
it with *zero* drop out.
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:One can account for weight. The differences in fat content are
likely small, and if you use something like fitday, you can trim fat
according to available selections.
$$ I tried Fitday when I started low-carb 2 years ago. Not everyone
has the time and patience to spend on that website.
Then they don't have time and patience to lose weight, or they can use some
other method.
Enter the 2PD Approach:
http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp
Quoted message said:Fitday for me only takes a few seconds to use.
N=1
Quoted message said:I didn't find it
Quoted message said:helpful since I have no idea what the exact fat content of a certain
slice of pork or turkey leg contained. Finding how many calories was
in 3 oz. of peeled banana was also a problem. Unless they changed
their format and are easier to use I hesitate to use that service
again. Are those of us who don't like sites like Fitday going to
hear how it's necessary to use such a thing?
Fitday is simply one means to track calories. If you don't like it, no one
is forcing you to use it.
Nor is anyone forcing you to try the 2PD Approach.
Quoted message said:It is no wonder you couldn't achieve further weight loss. You cann't count
carbs in veggies and now I find you can't track calories. Anyone who thinks
you need to have the exact fat content in a pork chop to use calorie
counting to lose weight simply hasn't the mental capacity to use calorie
counting as a tool to lose weight.
It seems you choose to blame others for their lack of success with
counting when the blame should be directed at the flawed method.
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:The only reason Chung thinks calorie counting doesn't work is
because he
is
Quoted message said:pushing his 2 pound diet. Perhaps you should try it.
$$ Perhaps YOU should try it and save hours and hours and hours here
on diet NGs and on Fitday.....
You really should consider Chung's 2PD, Wysong.
That is a thoughtful and considerate suggestion, Roger.
At His service,
Andrew
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
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