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  1. Ignoramus25655 said:

    I like the taste of fast food hamburgers. I'd like to know if I can
    simply buy ground meat, form it into patties, and fry them. Somehow,
    from my past experience, it results in completely different sort of
    taste and texture. So, what is the secret? How could I make fast food
    style hamburgers at home? Any ideas?

    look at the list of ingredients on a Mickey Dee's burger or whatever fast
    food place you like. Most of them add lots of salt, msg, and a bit of
    corn syrup to their sauces and meat mixtures.

    try to experiment that way

  2. Ignoramus25655 said:
    Crafting Mom said:
    Ignoramus25655 said:

    I like the taste of fast food hamburgers. I'd like to know if I can
    simply buy ground meat, form it into patties, and fry them. Somehow,
    from my past experience, it results in completely different sort of
    taste and texture. So, what is the secret? How could I make fast food
    style hamburgers at home? Any ideas?

    look at the list of ingredients on a Mickey Dee's burger or whatever fast
    food place you like. Most of them add lots of salt, msg, and a bit of
    corn syrup to their sauces and meat mixtures.

    Thanks, McD claims to use 100% ground beef, which I am sure does not
    account for taste additives.

    Perhaps in their patty, but the sauces they use are another thing.

    The nutritional info and ingredient list on each of their burgers is huge.
    look at their site.

  3. Ignoramus25655 said:
    Crafting Mom said:
    Ignoramus25655 said:

    On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 14:57:18 -0400, Crafting Mom <[email hidden]> wrote:
    > On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 18:42:48 +0000, Ignoramus25655 wrote:
    >
    >> I like the taste of fast food hamburgers. I'd like to know if I can
    >> simply buy ground meat, form it into patties, and fry them. Somehow,
    >> from my past experience, it results in completely different sort of
    >> taste and texture. So, what is the secret? How could I make fast food
    >> style hamburgers at home? Any ideas?
    >
    > look at the list of ingredients on a Mickey Dee's burger or whatever fast
    > food place you like. Most of them add lots of salt, msg, and a bit of
    > corn syrup to their sauces and meat mixtures.

    Thanks, McD claims to use 100% ground beef, which I am sure does not
    account for taste additives.

    Perhaps in their patty, but the sauces they use are another thing.

    The nutritional info and ingredient list on each of their burgers is huge.
    look at their site.

    The patties are what I eat, not sauce, ketchup etc. Today I ate at
    Wendys and ate 3 nice beef patties with nothing, not even with cheese.

    Well, look on the website. If indeed the patties are *only* beef, and
    nothing else, then the difference is the freezing and the heat lamps...
    I'm not sure... I've not eaten fast food for ages.

    Otherwise, the taste difference is probably purely psychological.
    Probably.

  4. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Crafting Mom said:
    Ignoramus25655 said:
    Crafting Mom said:

    On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 19:07:19 +0000, Ignoramus25655 wrote:

    > On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 14:57:18 -0400, Crafting Mom
    > <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >> On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 18:42:48 +0000, Ignoramus25655 wrote:
    >>
    >>> I like the taste of fast food hamburgers. I'd like to know if I can
    >>> simply buy ground meat, form it into patties, and fry them. Somehow,
    >>> from my past experience, it results in completely different sort of
    >>> taste and texture. So, what is the secret? How could I make fast food
    >>> style hamburgers at home? Any ideas?
    >>
    >> look at the list of ingredients on a Mickey Dee's burger or whatever
    >> fast
    >> food place you like. Most of them add lots of salt, msg, and a bit of
    >> corn syrup to their sauces and meat mixtures.
    >
    > Thanks, McD claims to use 100% ground beef, which I am sure does not
    > account for taste additives.

    Perhaps in their patty, but the sauces they use are another thing.

    The nutritional info and ingredient list on each of their burgers is huge.
    look at their site.

    The patties are what I eat, not sauce, ketchup etc. Today I ate at
    Wendys and ate 3 nice beef patties with nothing, not even with cheese.

    Well, look on the website. If indeed the patties are *only* beef, and
    nothing else, then the difference is the freezing and the heat lamps...
    I'm not sure... I've not eaten fast food for ages.

    Otherwise, the taste difference is probably purely psychological.
    Probably.

    It could also be the cuts of beef that are used. I know that with
    steaks, at least, I find that sirloin tastes different from round and so
    on. 100% beef could be 100% beef noses, yes? ;-)

    Priscilla

    --
    "It is very, very dangerous to treat any human, lowest
    of the low even, with contempt and arrogant whatever.
    The Lord takes this kind of treatment very, very personal."
    - QBaal in newsgroup alt.religion.christian.episcopal

  5. "Ignoramus25655" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    The patties are what I eat, not sauce, ketchup etc. Today I ate at
    Wendys and ate 3 nice beef patties with nothing, not even with cheese.

    How much you work it is important too - and how lean the meat is to start
    with. I knead the ground beef - which I like about 10% fat - for a while,
    then add a small quantity of finely chopped onion, and press hard to form
    the burgers. I then grill to lose some of the fat. The family like these in
    buns, I like mine on a portabello mushroom : )

    Nicky.

    --
    HbA1c 10.5/6.4/<6 Weight 95/79/72
    1g Metformin, 75ug Thyroxine
    T2 DX 05/2004

  6. "Nicky" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    How much you work it is important too - and how lean the meat is to start
    with. I knead the ground beef - which I like about 10% fat - for a while,
    then add a small quantity of finely chopped onion, and press hard to form
    the burgers. I then grill to lose some of the fat. The family like these in
    buns, I like mine on a portabello mushroom : )

    Oh YUM.

    My formula is to marinate hamburger patties (which I buy from Trader
    Joe's) in a bit of soy sauce with some minced ginger. I'll try serving
    it on portabello mushrooms. OMG. I'm getting hungry.

  7. Ignoramus25655 said:
    Crafting Mom said:
    Ignoramus25655 said:

    I like the taste of fast food hamburgers. I'd like to know if I can
    simply buy ground meat, form it into patties, and fry them. Somehow,
    from my past experience, it results in completely different sort of
    taste and texture. So, what is the secret? How could I make fast food
    style hamburgers at home? Any ideas?

    look at the list of ingredients on a Mickey Dee's burger or whatever fast
    food place you like. Most of them add lots of salt, msg, and a bit of
    corn syrup to their sauces and meat mixtures.

    Thanks, McD claims to use 100% ground beef, which I am sure does not
    account for taste additives.

    There are no additives in McD's burgers. It's only meat. Their sauces
    may well contain all the effluents of hell, but the burgers are just meat.

    To get their texture, you need to make the burger more dense than is
    the usual way for home cooks. The way they're formed will determine
    how "fast food-like" they are.

    Start with the notion that most chains freeze their patties. All of
    them form them by extrusion which means that they're smooshed together
    under a lot of pressure. You can duplicate that at home by roughly
    mushing it together for a minute or so.

    The next big thing is the shape of the patty. Most home cooks make
    them so they're thin at the edges and thick in the middle. That's
    exactly backwards. Shape the edges to be about 1/2-inch thick and the
    center between 1/4" and 3/8" thick. As the patty cooks, it shrinks
    because it's rendering fat and water-based juices, and because the
    protein is shrinking. It'll shrink to a constant thickness as it
    cooks. You can do this same shaping thing for any size burger (within
    reasonable limits) to get that uniform thickness.

    Don't smoosh on it with a spatula while it's cooking. That makes
    juices leak out and done not one good thing for the burger.

    The rest of the presentation is obvious. Bun. Condiments. Lettuce,
    tomato, etc.

    Happy burgers.

    Pastorio

  8. Crafting Mom <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Ignoramus25655 said:

    I like the taste of fast food hamburgers. I'd like to know if I can
    simply buy ground meat, form it into patties, and fry them. Somehow,
    from my past experience, it results in completely different sort of
    taste and texture. So, what is the secret? How could I make fast food
    style hamburgers at home? Any ideas?

    look at the list of ingredients on a Mickey Dee's burger or whatever fast
    food place you like. Most of them add lots of salt, msg, and a bit of
    corn syrup to their sauces and meat mixtures.

    try to experiment that way

    Actually, Mickey Dee guarantees one hundred percent whole ground beef.
    They haven't varied from that except in terms of what they add on
    *top* of the patty, stuff like salt, possibly sugar, etc.

    The rest of their menu is jam packed with hfcs and other sugars and
    sweeteners, though. Nasty stuff.

    TC

  9. tcomeau said:

    Crafting Mom <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Ignoramus25655 said:

    I like the taste of fast food hamburgers. I'd like to know if I can
    simply buy ground meat, form it into patties, and fry them. Somehow,
    from my past experience, it results in completely different sort of
    taste and texture. So, what is the secret? How could I make fast food
    style hamburgers at home? Any ideas?

    look at the list of ingredients on a Mickey Dee's burger or whatever fast
    food place you like. Most of them add lots of salt, msg, and a bit of
    corn syrup to their sauces and meat mixtures.

    Actually, Mickey Dee guarantees one hundred percent whole ground beef.
    They haven't varied from that except in terms of what they add on
    *top* of the patty, stuff like salt, possibly sugar, etc.

    The rest of their menu is jam packed with hfcs and other sugars and
    sweeteners, though. Nasty stuff.

    It is a singular astonishment how hard people work to demonize fast
    food companies. The inherent snobbery, deliberate negativity and
    general [censored] inventions in this thread to try to smear them are
    fancy slices of [censored]. They cook their 100%-all beef-not a damn thing
    added burgers on a flat griddle and put no supplemental condiments on
    the meat. No salt, no sugar not a single other thing added to that
    patty, on that patty, under that patty, alongside that patty, "like
    salt, possibly sugar, etc."

    They dress their sandwiches as specified on the menu and in their
    nutritional descriptions.

    Don't like 'em; don't eat 'em. Food is only food. It's not a moral
    crusade.

    Pastorio

  10. "tcomeau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Crafting Mom <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Ignoramus25655 said:

    I like the taste of fast food hamburgers. I'd like to know if I can
    simply buy ground meat, form it into patties, and fry them. Somehow,
    from my past experience, it results in completely different sort of
    taste and texture. So, what is the secret? How could I make fast food
    style hamburgers at home? Any ideas?

    look at the list of ingredients on a Mickey Dee's burger or whatever fast
    food place you like. Most of them add lots of salt, msg, and a bit of
    corn syrup to their sauces and meat mixtures.

    try to experiment that way

    Actually, Mickey Dee guarantees one hundred percent whole ground beef.
    They haven't varied from that except in terms of what they add on
    *top* of the patty, stuff like salt, possibly sugar, etc.

    The rest of their menu is jam packed with hfcs and other sugars and
    sweeteners, though. Nasty stuff.

    TC

    When I worked at McD's (early 80's - I know I'm old) when we cooked the
    burgers - we sprinkled salt and pepper on them (mixture in one shaker).
    Never used sugar (except for coffee and tea).
    Diane

  11. Bob (this one) said:

    Don't like 'em; don't eat 'em. Food is only food. It's not a moral
    crusade.

    Yeah, but food is why you're fat. 😉
    --
    "When there's no more room in hell, the dead will walk the earth."

  12. Tarkus said:
    Bob (this one) said:

    Don't like 'em; don't eat 'em. Food is only food. It's not a moral
    crusade.

    Yeah, but food is why you're fat. 😉

    And is it why you post irrelevant nonsense?

    Oh...

    Bob

  13. Bob (this one) said:
    Tarkus said:
    Bob (this one) said:

    Don't like 'em; don't eat 'em. Food is only food. It's not a moral
    crusade.

    Yeah, but food is why you're fat. 😉

    And is it why you post irrelevant nonsense?

    http://www.computeruser.com/resources/dictionary/emoticons.html
    --
    "I was in the grocery store. I saw a sign that said 'pet supplies.'
    So I did. Then I went outside and saw a sign that said 'compact cars.'"
    -Steven Wright

  14. Tarkus said:
    Bob (this one) said:
    Tarkus said:

    On 11/23/2004 3:54:09 PM, Bob (this one) wrote:

    >Don't like 'em; don't eat 'em. Food is only food. It's not a moral
    >crusade.

    Yeah, but food is why you're fat. 😉

    And is it why you post irrelevant nonsense?

    http://www.computeruser.com/resources/dictionary/emoticons.html

    One of my neighbors called her infant son's penis his "winkie."

    Bob

  15. My favorite is the ground sirloin patties, I usually get them at Costco
    because I shop there more but I think Sam's has them, too.

    In news:[email hidden],
    Ignoramus4238 <[email hidden]> stated
    | I bought some frozen hamburger patties at Sam's club yesterday, and DW
    | cooked them. They are very tasty, thicker, and much cheaper than fast
    | food restaurant hamburgers.
    |
    | --
    | 223/173.2/180

  16. Ignoramus25655 said:


    I like the taste of fast food hamburgers. I'd like to know if I can
    simply buy ground meat, form it into patties, and fry them. Somehow,
    from my past experience, it results in completely different sort of
    taste and texture. So, what is the secret? How could I make fast food
    style hamburgers at home? Any ideas?

    Slice a steak thin and pan fry it. Slice a steak thick and pan
    fry it. They will taste different. Fast food places use burger
    that are pressed very thin compared to how most folks cook their
    burgers at home.

    Set a griddle to a low temperature like 300F and cook a steak on
    it. Set a griddle to a high temperature like 425F and cook a
    steak on it. They will taste different. I have no idea what
    fast food places set their griddles to, but you could ask the
    folks that work there and use that temperature at home.

    Compare McDonalds (cooked on a griddle) and Burger King (cooked
    on a grill over a gas fire). They taste different as well.

  17. "Diane Ball" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    "tcomeau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Crafting Mom <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 18:42:48 +0000, Ignoramus25655 wrote:

    > I like the taste of fast food hamburgers. I'd like to know if I can
    > simply buy ground meat, form it into patties, and fry them. Somehow,
    > from my past experience, it results in completely different sort of
    > taste and texture. So, what is the secret? How could I make fast food
    > style hamburgers at home? Any ideas?

    look at the list of ingredients on a Mickey Dee's burger or whatever fast
    food place you like. Most of them add lots of salt, msg, and a bit of
    corn syrup to their sauces and meat mixtures.

    try to experiment that way

    Actually, Mickey Dee guarantees one hundred percent whole ground beef.
    They haven't varied from that except in terms of what they add on
    *top* of the patty, stuff like salt, possibly sugar, etc.

    The rest of their menu is jam packed with hfcs and other sugars and
    sweeteners, though. Nasty stuff.

    TC

    When I worked at McD's (early 80's - I know I'm old) when we cooked the
    burgers - we sprinkled salt and pepper on them (mixture in one shaker).
    Never used sugar (except for coffee and tea).
    Diane

    I always wondered if the salt they add to fries or burgers, etc,
    contained salt and sugar rather than only salt.

    TC

  18. "tcomeau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    "Diane Ball" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    "tcomeau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Crafting Mom <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...
    > On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 18:42:48 +0000, Ignoramus25655 wrote:
    >
    > > I like the taste of fast food hamburgers. I'd like to know if I can
    > > simply buy ground meat, form it into patties, and fry them. Somehow,
    > > from my past experience, it results in completely different sort of
    > > taste and texture. So, what is the secret? How could I make fast
    > > food
    > > style hamburgers at home? Any ideas?
    >
    > look at the list of ingredients on a Mickey Dee's burger or whatever
    > fast
    > food place you like. Most of them add lots of salt, msg, and a bit of
    > corn syrup to their sauces and meat mixtures.
    >
    > try to experiment that way

    Actually, Mickey Dee guarantees one hundred percent whole ground beef.
    They haven't varied from that except in terms of what they add on
    *top* of the patty, stuff like salt, possibly sugar, etc.

    The rest of their menu is jam packed with hfcs and other sugars and
    sweeteners, though. Nasty stuff.

    TC

    When I worked at McD's (early 80's - I know I'm old) when we cooked the
    burgers - we sprinkled salt and pepper on them (mixture in one shaker).
    Never used sugar (except for coffee and tea).
    Diane

    I always wondered if the salt they add to fries or burgers, etc,
    contained salt and sugar rather than only salt.

    TC


    Not in the salt - but I think there may be sugar in whatever they put on the
    fries when they freeze them - to help brown them during cooking.

  19. : That's exactly what I bought at Sam's. Those are not sirloin patties,
    : they are "SIRLOIN and beef" patties (SIRLOIN in BIG LETTERS and beef
    : in small letters). Guess how much sirloin is there, I would guess not
    : much.
    :
    : i

    I think the FDA rules state that whatever is listed first is included at a
    greater amount than what is listed second, and so so.

    Pat in TX

  20. : I think the FDA rules state that whatever is listed first is included at a
    : greater amount than what is listed second, and so so.
    :
    : Pat in TX

    I mean "and so on."

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