Re: Growth Hormone Production

You got that one nailed.

stuart said:

Why in God's green earth would someone want to mess around with their normal
hormonal balance? Especially growth hormone? The human body shows a decline
in growth hormone with time. This is called aging. We all age. It is quite
normal.
You start inserting adjustments in the levels of HG, and you begin to risk
side effects from the hormone directly, and more importantly, you begin to
mess the the pituitary's regulatory mechanism. This is the sort of unnatural
stimulus that eggs on abnormal cell endocrine output, and subsequently cell
function, and possibly cellular replication. (CANCER)
I think you're asking for trouble.
"A.T." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Growth hormone levels play an important role in the physiology of
humans. The increase of growth hormone levels within the body to are
used for disorders such as chronic viral infections, cancer and
diabetes, and conditions such as inflammation, joint and muscle pain,
muscle weakness, fatigue, sinus and nasal congestion, breathing
difficulties, poor digestion, neuropathy, headaches, reduced mental
acuity, poor memory, skin conditions, poor fitness, weight imbalances,
and a variety of psychological conditions, such as mood swings,
depression, anxiety, confusion and anger, and relates more to the use
of homeopathic dilutions of one or more growth factors to treat
disorders. Use of the homeopathic growth factors have also been
demonstrated to increase lean muscle mass while reducing body fat, and
improve overall health, fitness and mental clarity. Growth hormone
levels within the body decrease after puberty, and gradually decline
throughout life. Growth hormone supplementation in elderly individuals
cause physiological changes consistent with rejuvenation. Growth
hormone supplementation is considered to be highly advantageous
treatments for such conditions and do not produce undesirable side
effects. The homeopathic preparations of growth factors shown can be
made at reasonable cost. Homeopathic preparations of growth factors
may be administered orally, topically, using eye drops or nasal
sprays, transdermally, to patients to produce beneficial effects.

...for more info visit our website at:
http://www.alternative-technologies.org

Exactomundo dude.

Acromegaly anyone ?

Mark Probert said:

You got that one nailed.

stuart said:

Why in God's green earth would someone want to mess around with their normal
hormonal balance? Especially growth hormone? The human body shows a decline
in growth hormone with time. This is called aging. We all age. It is quite
normal.
You start inserting adjustments in the levels of HG, and you begin to risk
side effects from the hormone directly, and more importantly, you begin to
mess the the pituitary's regulatory mechanism. This is the sort of unnatural
stimulus that eggs on abnormal cell endocrine output, and subsequently cell
function, and possibly cellular replication. (CANCER)
I think you're asking for trouble.
"A.T." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Growth hormone levels play an important role in the physiology of
humans. The increase of growth hormone levels within the body to are
used for disorders such as chronic viral infections, cancer and
diabetes, and conditions such as inflammation, joint and muscle pain,
muscle weakness, fatigue, sinus and nasal congestion, breathing
difficulties, poor digestion, neuropathy, headaches, reduced mental
acuity, poor memory, skin conditions, poor fitness, weight imbalances,
and a variety of psychological conditions, such as mood swings,
depression, anxiety, confusion and anger, and relates more to the use
of homeopathic dilutions of one or more growth factors to treat
disorders. Use of the homeopathic growth factors have also been
demonstrated to increase lean muscle mass while reducing body fat, and
improve overall health, fitness and mental clarity. Growth hormone
levels within the body decrease after puberty, and gradually decline
throughout life. Growth hormone supplementation in elderly individuals
cause physiological changes consistent with rejuvenation. Growth
hormone supplementation is considered to be highly advantageous
treatments for such conditions and do not produce undesirable side
effects. The homeopathic preparations of growth factors shown can be
made at reasonable cost. Homeopathic preparations of growth factors
may be administered orally, topically, using eye drops or nasal
sprays, transdermally, to patients to produce beneficial effects.

...for more info visit our website at:
http://www.alternative-technologies.org

"stuart" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Why in God's green earth would someone want to mess around with their

normal

Quoted message said:

hormonal balance? Especially growth hormone? The human body shows a

decline

Quoted message said:

in growth hormone with time. This is called aging. We all age. It is quite
normal.
You start inserting adjustments in the levels of HG, and you begin to risk
side effects from the hormone directly, and more importantly, you begin to
mess the the pituitary's regulatory mechanism. This is the sort of

unnatural

Quoted message said:

stimulus that eggs on abnormal cell endocrine output, and subsequently

cell

Quoted message said:

function, and possibly cellular replication. (CANCER)
I think you're asking for trouble.

Thanks for saying it; too many people are foolishly experimenting with
this...

Reading some of the bodybuilding mags makes me wonder what happens down the
road as a result of some of the stuff many of them take. While some of it
is probably harmless, I hope the pursuit of big muscles doesn't turn into a
horror story for those who take the wrong things.

Michele
I ENJOY being a cranky [censored].

"Mark Probert" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

You got that one nailed.

stuart said:

Why in God's green earth would someone want to mess around with their

normal

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

hormonal balance? Especially growth hormone? The human body shows a

decline

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

in growth hormone with time. This is called aging. We all age. It is

quite

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

normal.
You start inserting adjustments in the levels of HG, and you begin to

risk

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

side effects from the hormone directly, and more importantly, you begin

to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

mess the the pituitary's regulatory mechanism. This is the sort of

unnatural

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

stimulus that eggs on abnormal cell endocrine output, and subsequently

cell

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

function, and possibly cellular replication. (CANCER)
I think you're asking for trouble.
"A.T." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Growth hormone levels play an important role in the physiology of
humans. The increase of growth hormone levels within the body to are
used for disorders such as chronic viral infections, cancer and
diabetes, and conditions such as inflammation, joint and muscle pain,
muscle weakness, fatigue, sinus and nasal congestion, breathing
difficulties, poor digestion, neuropathy, headaches, reduced mental
acuity, poor memory, skin conditions, poor fitness, weight imbalances,
and a variety of psychological conditions, such as mood swings,
depression, anxiety, confusion and anger, and relates more to the use
of homeopathic dilutions of one or more growth factors to treat
disorders. Use of the homeopathic growth factors have also been
demonstrated to increase lean muscle mass while reducing body fat, and
improve overall health, fitness and mental clarity. Growth hormone
levels within the body decrease after puberty, and gradually decline
throughout life. Growth hormone supplementation in elderly individuals
cause physiological changes consistent with rejuvenation. Growth
hormone supplementation is considered to be highly advantageous
treatments for such conditions and do not produce undesirable side
effects. The homeopathic preparations of growth factors shown can be
made at reasonable cost. Homeopathic preparations of growth factors
may be administered orally, topically, using eye drops or nasal
sprays, transdermally, to patients to produce beneficial effects.

...for more info visit our website at:
http://www.alternative-technologies.org

fred & michele said:

Reading some of the bodybuilding mags makes me wonder what happens down the
road as a result of some of the stuff many of them take. While some of it
is probably harmless, I hope the pursuit of big muscles doesn't turn into a
horror story for those who take the wrong things.

Look up Lyle Alzado and cancer.

Tsu

--
To doubt everything or to believe everything
are two equally convenient solutions; both
dispense with the necessity of reflection.
- Jules Henri Poincaré

stuart said:

Why in God's green earth would someone want to mess around with their
normal hormonal balance? Especially growth hormone? The human body
shows a decline in growth hormone with time. This is called aging.
We all age. It is quite normal.

Why would someone want to mess around with their immune
system? Many dietary supplements are sold as "boosters" of
the immune system, but why would you want to change the level
it is normally at? Some diseases (the autoimmune diseases, such
as lupus, multiple sclerosis, rheumatoid arthritis, and scleroderma)
are caused by an over-active immune system attacking certain
cell types inappropriately. What makes you think you have
better judgement than your own body, with regard to how
activated your immune system should be?

Can we agree that all supplements touted as "boosters" for
the immune system should be avoided like the plague?

On Mon, 28 Jul 2003 01:53:15 GMT, Mark Thorson <[email hidden]>

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Can we agree that all supplements touted as "boosters" for
the immune system should be avoided like the plague?

Sure. Also none of these so called immune system "boosters"
have been proven to work so there is another good reason
to avoid them.

Tsu Dho Nimh said:

fred & michele said:

Reading some of the bodybuilding mags makes me wonder what happens down the
road as a result of some of the stuff many of them take. While some of it
is probably harmless, I hope the pursuit of big muscles doesn't turn into a
horror story for those who take the wrong things.

Look up Lyle Alzado and cancer.

http://www.geocities.com/bigcory94533/alzado.html

Mark Thorson said:

Can we agree that all supplements touted as "boosters" for
the immune system should be avoided like the plague?

Unless they can specify exactly how it "boosts" it. Just
providing "essential amino acids and minerals" as building blocks
doesn't qualify.

Echinacea is both an immediate booster (phagocytocytic activity)
and a long-term suppressant (mast cell production of histamines).
Take your pick. The short term effect makes it useful for that
cruddy cough after a cold virus gets through, and the second
makes it the herbal OTC equivalent of Claritin.

Tsu

--
To doubt everything or to believe everything
are two equally convenient solutions; both
dispense with the necessity of reflection.
- Jules Henri Poincaré

"Tsu Dho Nimh" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

fred & michele said:

Reading some of the bodybuilding mags makes me wonder what happens down

the

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

road as a result of some of the stuff many of them take. While some of

it

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

is probably harmless, I hope the pursuit of big muscles doesn't turn into

a

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

horror story for those who take the wrong things.

Look up Lyle Alzado and cancer.

Steroids are old news, although they are still definitely around -- with
some new & very creative ways to circumvent legal prescription. ["Love
letters" from overseas are one easy way.]

The stuff I wonder about includes "hemodilators", creatine, HGH, & other OTC
items that are marketed as supplements.

Michele
I ENJOY being a cranky [censored].

fred & michele said:

"Tsu Dho Nimh" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

fred & michele said:

Reading some of the bodybuilding mags makes me wonder what happens down

the

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

road as a result of some of the stuff many of them take. While some of

it

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

is probably harmless, I hope the pursuit of big muscles doesn't turn into

a

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

horror story for those who take the wrong things.

Look up Lyle Alzado and cancer.

Steroids are old news, although they are still definitely around -- with
some new & very creative ways to circumvent legal prescription. ["Love
letters" from overseas are one easy way.]

The stuff I wonder about includes "hemodilators", *creatine*,

That is what Mark Maguire took. I wonder if it played a part in his
early retirement.

HGH, & other OTC

Quoted message said:

items that are marketed as supplements.

Michele
I ENJOY being a cranky [censored].

"WB" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Exactomundo dude.

Acromegaly anyone ?

No, I don't think so. Acromegaly occurs when their is massive overproduction
of GH. The levels used here are "normal" or slightly above "normal" for a
growing adolescent. But adults don't need to grow a foot in the next two
years. Our Gh stays regulated exactly at the level it is needed to be IMO.

Quoted message said:

Mark Probert said:

You got that one nailed.

stuart said:

Why in God's green earth would someone want to mess around with their

normal

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

hormonal balance? Especially growth hormone? The human body shows a

decline

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

in growth hormone with time. This is called aging. We all age. It is

quite

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

normal.
You start inserting adjustments in the levels of HG, and you begin to

risk

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

side effects from the hormone directly, and more importantly, you begin

to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

mess the the pituitary's regulatory mechanism. This is the sort of

unnatural

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

stimulus that eggs on abnormal cell endocrine output, and subsequently

cell

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

function, and possibly cellular replication. (CANCER)
I think you're asking for trouble.
"A.T." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

>Growth hormone levels play an important role in the physiology of
>humans. The increase of growth hormone levels within the body to are
>used for disorders such as chronic viral infections, cancer and
>diabetes, and conditions such as inflammation, joint and muscle pain,
>muscle weakness, fatigue, sinus and nasal congestion, breathing
>difficulties, poor digestion, neuropathy, headaches, reduced mental
>acuity, poor memory, skin conditions, poor fitness, weight imbalances,
>and a variety of psychological conditions, such as mood swings,
>depression, anxiety, confusion and anger, and relates more to the use
>of homeopathic dilutions of one or more growth factors to treat
>disorders. Use of the homeopathic growth factors have also been
>demonstrated to increase lean muscle mass while reducing body fat, and
>improve overall health, fitness and mental clarity. Growth hormone
>levels within the body decrease after puberty, and gradually decline
>throughout life. Growth hormone supplementation in elderly individuals
>cause physiological changes consistent with rejuvenation. Growth
>hormone supplementation is considered to be highly advantageous
>treatments for such conditions and do not produce undesirable side
>effects. The homeopathic preparations of growth factors shown can be
>made at reasonable cost. Homeopathic preparations of growth factors
>may be administered orally, topically, using eye drops or nasal
>sprays, transdermally, to patients to produce beneficial effects.
>
>...for more info visit our website at:
>http://www.alternative-technologies.org

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fred & michele said:

"Tsu Dho Nimh" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"fred & michele" <[email hidden]> wrote:

>Reading some of the bodybuilding mags makes me wonder what happens down

the

Quoted message said:

>road as a result of some of the stuff many of them take. While some of

it

Quoted message said:

>is probably harmless, I hope the pursuit of big muscles doesn't turn

into

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

a

Quoted message said:

>horror story for those who take the wrong things.

Look up Lyle Alzado and cancer.

Steroids are old news, although they are still definitely around -- with
some new & very creative ways to circumvent legal prescription. ["Love
letters" from overseas are one easy way.]

The stuff I wonder about includes "hemodilators", *creatine*,

That is what Mark Maguire took. I wonder if it played a part in his
early retirement.

I can understand why athletes going for the top of the heap in their
sports -- especially making the big bucks -- take the risks. There's always
someone younger, quicker, stronger to stay ahead of. They weigh the options
& make the decisions, often paying a price years later.

I see amateurs taking some of these supplements in the hopes of improving
their performance, & wonder if playing a better game of soccer on Sundays or
lifting a little more weight to impress the ladies at the gym & the beach is
worth taking the risk a pro making hundreds of thousands (even millions) of
dollars a year does.

Michele
I ENJOY being a cranky [censored].

"fred & michele" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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I can understand why athletes going for the top of the heap in their
sports -- especially making the big bucks -- take the risks. There's
always someone younger, quicker, stronger to stay ahead of. They
weigh the options & make the decisions, often paying a price years
later.

I see amateurs taking some of these supplements in the hopes of
improving their performance, & wonder if playing a better game of
soccer on Sundays or lifting a little more weight to impress the
ladies at the gym & the beach is worth taking the risk a pro making
hundreds of thousands (even millions) of dollars a year does.

It's actually a case where the risks are the same but the potential
benefits are much smaller. What you have to remember is that in athletics,
the higher the level you're competing at, the smaller the difference
between a winning and losing performance. If you're a world-class
competitor, you're going to seriously consider anything that could give you
a hundredth-of-a-percent advantage, because the difference between winning
and losing could be a .01% difference in performance.

But to a high school athlete or a "weekend warrior," a .01% improvement in
performance means diddly squat; the ordinary differences in performance
among your competitors are *much* greater than that, since you don't have
the tremendous selection (cream-skimming) for ability and training that you
do in the pros. So doing something because the pros do it is nothing more
than wannabe behavior; you get all the risks but none of the benefits.
It's what a programmer would call "micro-optimization"; a lot of cost for
very little return.