Re: GPS watch (like Garmin ForeRunner) and tree cover

Craig Welch said:

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Measure a course using a properly calibrated electronic bicycle odometer and run
that against a watch.

More precision than is needed.

Yep. But it's not hard to find a bicycle that has an odometer on it, and most
people have put in the right number for the tire cirumfrence.

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Record on spreadsheet.

Useful.

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Go on the zone diet to tune your
carbs v. protein v. fat.

Why not just eat a healthy balance of regular food?

That's precisely what the zone diet is. It lays out, however, the caveat that
every meal and every snack should have the correct ratio of carbs to protein to
fat to maintain "zone" insulin levels. Since it is all too easy to eat too many
carbs, this is where most people get into trouble and have not only weight but
other health problems associated with improper insulin levels.

Cheers,
Alan.

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On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 15:25:44 -0500, Alan Browne

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Since
it is all too easy to eat too many carbs, this is where most people
get into trouble and have not only weight but other health problems
associated with improper insulin levels.

Thanks, I am on a low carb diet, and it is great for my running.

There must be a large variation in the way individuals metabolize
carbohydrates.

People who do a *lot* of exercise usually eat a lot of carbs -- I seem to
recall that Tour de France folks try to eat 70-80% of their calories as
carbs. But those folks probably do a lot more exercise than even gung-ho
non-competitive runners.

One of the local Sierra Club chapters was having people on low-carb sign
waivers for hikes, since those on the diet may need three times as much
water to flush out nitrogenous wastes, but the need is not translated into
thirst (lots of high desert hiking out here).

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On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 21:59:02 GMT, H.W. Stockman

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On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 15:25:44 -0500, Alan Browne

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> Since
> it is all too easy to eat too many carbs, this is where most
> people get into trouble and have not only weight but other health
> problems associated with improper insulin levels.

Thanks, I am on a low carb diet, and it is great for my running.

There must be a large variation in the way individuals metabolize
carbohydrates.

I agree.

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People who do a *lot* of exercise usually eat a lot of carbs -- I
seem to recall that Tour de France folks try to eat 70-80% of their
calories as carbs. But those folks probably do a lot more exercise
than even gung-ho non-competitive runners.

I normally run about 20 miles per week, eat about 50-60 grams of carbs
per day, and that amounts to a pleasant life and enjoyable runs.

I average about 400 grams CHO per day. Funny how we both lost a lot of
weight using very different methods.

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I am not anywhere close to the tour de france people, nor do I have
the same biological abilities.

You assume too much. One never knows until one tries. ;-)

Phil M.
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go. -T.S. Eliot

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I normally run about 20 miles per week, eat about 50-60 grams of

carbs

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per day, and that amounts to a pleasant life and enjoyable runs.

I average about 400 grams CHO per day. Funny how we both lost a lot of
weight using very different methods.

Phil, I am not sure how you lost your weight, I vaguely recall that
you were low fatting

That's correct.

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but I personally did NOT lose weight on a "low
carb" diet.

I stand corrected.

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I lost weight by eating less, specifically controlling portions, and
exercising (mostly walking). I lost weight and maintained it by eating
less. What was irritating to me was constant hunger and intrusive
thoughts about food, despite staying at, pretty much, the same
weight.

That's where running helped me.

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So, after about 10 months of maintenance, I switched to a low carb
diet, hoping to control my hunger. Now I live like a normal person,
eat to my heart's content, am not hungry except before meals, and run
more than I ever could in a long time. My life is finally pleasant and
not food centered.

You've found WOE that works for you. A lot of people never find it.

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I am not anywhere close to the tour de france people, nor do I have
the same biological abilities.

You assume too much. One never knows until one tries. ;-)

Trust me when I say what I did in the previous post. 🙂

I may have had the biological abilities, but it's too late to find out.
That's why I like training to be my best and to achieve realistic goals
based on my age.

Phil M.
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go. -T.S. Eliot

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On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 15:25:44 -0500, Alan Browne

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Since
it is all too easy to eat too many carbs, this is where most people
get into trouble and have not only weight but other health problems
associated with improper insulin levels.

Thanks, I am on a low carb diet, and it is great for my running.

There must be a large variation in the way individuals metabolize
carbohydrates.

Go to Google for a hilarious laugh at inuyanus' junk science. No matter what
experienced runners (those with much more than he'll ever run) try to tell
him, he;'s just trying to support his own incredibly ridiculous theories.

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People who do a *lot* of exercise usually eat a lot of carbs --

Of course, but don't try to tell Mr Junk Science that, he's not interested.

I seem to

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recall that Tour de France folks try to eat 70-80% of their calories as
carbs. But those folks probably do a lot more exercise than even gung-ho
non-competitive runners.

See above.

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One of the local Sierra Club chapters was having people on low-carb sign
waivers for hikes, since those on the diet may need three times as much
water to flush out nitrogenous wastes, but the need is not translated into
thirst (lots of high desert hiking out here).

Yep.

Martha

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"Ignoramus10587" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 15:25:44 -0500, Alan Browne

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> Since
> it is all too easy to eat too many carbs, this is where most people
> get into trouble and have not only weight but other health problems
> associated with improper insulin levels.

Thanks, I am on a low carb diet, and it is great for my running.

There must be a large variation in the way individuals metabolize
carbohydrates.

I agree.

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People who do a *lot* of exercise usually eat a lot of carbs -- I
seem to recall that Tour de France folks try to eat 70-80% of their
calories as carbs. But those folks probably do a lot more exercise
than even gung-ho non-competitive runners.

I normally run about 20 miles per week,

That's new for you. For the last 10 years per your past posts, you ran about
6 miles per week.

Martha
keeping Mr Junk Science honest

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That's new for you. For the last 10 years per your past posts, you ran about
6 miles per week.

Gee you mean an EXPERT like him only runs 6 miles per week? God, I do more per
day than that dork does in a week. Yet somehow he feels qualified? Like I said
when I first came here several weeks ago, he's a T-R-O-L-L, and a good one too,
because look at the amount of bandwith he's wasted.

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Martha
keeping Mr Junk Science honest

And rightfully so!
TY

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That's new for you. For the last 10 years per your past posts, you ran
about
6 miles per week.

Gee you mean an EXPERT like him only runs 6 miles per week? God, I do more
per
day than that dork does in a week. Yet somehow he feels qualified? Like I
said
when I first came here several weeks ago, he's a T-R-O-L-L, and a good one
too,
because look at the amount of bandwith he's wasted.

If that's your only criteria for a "good" troll (an oxymoron actually), then
you would be correct.

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If that's your only criteria for a "good" troll (an oxymoron actually), then
you would be correct.

No, the amount of bandwith he wasted trying to expell his BS is another
indicator.