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  1. Laser surgery for glue ear http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/290930.stm

    Chewing a special chewing gum, made from a sugar substitute called Xylitol,
    has also brought some success.
    The gum is extracted from the silver birch tree and is said to have
    anti-bacterial properties.

    Dr Scadding says it has been shown to reduce ear infections by 30%.

    (1 in 3 _isn't_ a good chance to risk your childs hearing imo)

    http://www.heart-disease-bypass-surgery.com/data/articles/12.htm

    (as a complementary to surgery)

    Acetylcysteine (a-se-teel-SIS-teen ) is a mucolytic (medicine that destroys
    or dissolves mucus). It is usually given by inhalation but may be given in
    other ways in a hospital.

    Controlled trial on the use of oral acetylcysteine in the treatment of
    glue-ear following drainage.

    Thirty-six patients, 22 males and 14 females, aged about 7 years, suffering
    from serous otitis media (glue ear), mostly bilateral and characterized by
    abundant viscous discharge, underwent surgery consisting of myringotomy,
    aspiration and insertion of ShepardÕs transtympanic drain. After surgery 18
    of these patients received 200 mg oral acelylcysteine (NAC) b.i.d. for 30
    days, while the remaining patients received no treatment and acted as
    controls. Patients were randomly assigned to one of the two groups.
    Audiometric tests at the various frequencies most affected by the disease,
    i.e. those between 250 and 3000 Hz, were performed in all patients before
    surgery and after 30 days of treatment. Statistical comparison between mean
    bearing threshold values recorded in patients of the treated and control
    groups before and after oral NAC treatment showed that: 1. Hearing had
    markedly and very significantly improved in both groups after surgery; 2.
    Hearing had improved more significantly in the treated group than in the
    control group; 3. Hearing improvement in the treated group was more marked
    at the low and medium frequencies particularly affected by the disease.
    These findings confirmed the pharmacological effect of oral NAC in the
    middle ear, and showed that it enhanced recovery of hearing. Follow-up took
    place in all patients in the treated and control groups one year after
    surgery. Drains had remained in situ for periods ranging from 3 to 12
    months, and all had been removed or spontaneously expelled when the
    follow-up control was made. Otomicroscopic examination disclosed some
    pathological changes in both groups. However, the incidence of these changes
    was not significant in either group. Audiometric tests showed, with respect
    to both groups and to all the frequencies tested, a slight reduction in the
    hearing gain recorded at the previous test performed one month after the
    insertion of the transtympanic drains. This loss was however less pronounced
    in the treated group. In conclusion, oral NAC may be useful in enhanceing
    the functional effects of surgery in serous otitis media.Balli R. Controlled
    trial on the use of oral acetylcysteine in the treatment of glue-ear
    following drainage. Eur J Respir Dis 61, Suppl 111;158; 1980.

    http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/uspdi/500403.html

    http://www.pharmacynetworkgroup.com/mucomyst-side-effects.htm

    (possible side effects of the drug)

    You might want to speak to your doctor about these.

    Anth

  2. "Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Laser surgery for glue ear http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/290930.stm

    Chewing a special chewing gum, made from a sugar substitute called


    Xylitol,

    Quoted message said:

    has also brought some success.
    The gum is extracted from the silver birch tree and is said to have
    anti-bacterial properties.

    Dr Scadding says it has been shown to reduce ear infections by 30%.

    (1 in 3 _isn't_ a good chance to risk your childs hearing imo)

    http://www.heart-disease-bypass-surgery.com/data/articles/12.htm

    (as a complementary to surgery)

    Acetylcysteine (a-se-teel-SIS-teen ) is a mucolytic (medicine that


    destroys

    Quoted message said:

    or dissolves mucus). It is usually given by inhalation but may be given in
    other ways in a hospital.

    Controlled trial on the use of oral acetylcysteine in the treatment of
    glue-ear following drainage.

    Thirty-six patients, 22 males and 14 females, aged about 7 years,


    suffering

    Quoted message said:

    from serous otitis media (glue ear), mostly bilateral and characterized by
    abundant viscous discharge, underwent surgery consisting of myringotomy,
    aspiration and insertion of ShepardÕs transtympanic drain. After surgery


    18

    Quoted message said:

    of these patients received 200 mg oral acelylcysteine (NAC) b.i.d. for 30
    days, while the remaining patients received no treatment and acted as
    controls. Patients were randomly assigned to one of the two groups.
    Audiometric tests at the various frequencies most affected by the disease,
    i.e. those between 250 and 3000 Hz, were performed in all patients before
    surgery and after 30 days of treatment. Statistical comparison between


    mean

    Quoted message said:

    bearing threshold values recorded in patients of the treated and control
    groups before and after oral NAC treatment showed that: 1. Hearing had
    markedly and very significantly improved in both groups after surgery; 2.
    Hearing had improved more significantly in the treated group than in the
    control group; 3. Hearing improvement in the treated group was more marked
    at the low and medium frequencies particularly affected by the disease.
    These findings confirmed the pharmacological effect of oral NAC in the
    middle ear, and showed that it enhanced recovery of hearing. Follow-up


    took

    Quoted message said:

    place in all patients in the treated and control groups one year after
    surgery. Drains had remained in situ for periods ranging from 3 to 12
    months, and all had been removed or spontaneously expelled when the
    follow-up control was made. Otomicroscopic examination disclosed some
    pathological changes in both groups. However, the incidence of these


    changes

    Quoted message said:

    was not significant in either group. Audiometric tests showed, with


    respect

    Quoted message said:

    to both groups and to all the frequencies tested, a slight reduction in


    the

    Quoted message said:

    hearing gain recorded at the previous test performed one month after the
    insertion of the transtympanic drains. This loss was however less


    pronounced

    Quoted message said:

    in the treated group. In conclusion, oral NAC may be useful in enhanceing
    the functional effects of surgery in serous otitis media.Balli R.


    Controlled

    Quoted message said:

    trial on the use of oral acetylcysteine in the treatment of glue-ear
    following drainage. Eur J Respir Dis 61, Suppl 111;158; 1980.

    http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/uspdi/500403.html

    http://www.pharmacynetworkgroup.com/mucomyst-side-effects.htm

    (possible side effects of the drug)

    You might want to speak to your doctor about these.

    Anth


    Why not just stop what is causing the problem? Is that too simple?

  3. I don't know you tell me - what is causing the problem?
    Anth

    "tools" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Laser surgery for glue ear http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/290930.stm

    Chewing a special chewing gum, made from a sugar substitute called


    Xylitol,

    Quoted message said:

    has also brought some success.
    The gum is extracted from the silver birch tree and is said to have
    anti-bacterial properties.

    Dr Scadding says it has been shown to reduce ear infections by 30%.

    (1 in 3 _isn't_ a good chance to risk your childs hearing imo)

    http://www.heart-disease-bypass-surgery.com/data/articles/12.htm

    (as a complementary to surgery)

    Acetylcysteine (a-se-teel-SIS-teen ) is a mucolytic (medicine that


    destroys

    Quoted message said:

    or dissolves mucus). It is usually given by inhalation but may be given


    in

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    other ways in a hospital.

    Controlled trial on the use of oral acetylcysteine in the treatment of
    glue-ear following drainage.

    Thirty-six patients, 22 males and 14 females, aged about 7 years,


    suffering

    Quoted message said:

    from serous otitis media (glue ear), mostly bilateral and characterized


    by

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    abundant viscous discharge, underwent surgery consisting of myringotomy,
    aspiration and insertion of ShepardÕs transtympanic drain. After surgery


    18

    Quoted message said:

    of these patients received 200 mg oral acelylcysteine (NAC) b.i.d. for


    30

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    days, while the remaining patients received no treatment and acted as
    controls. Patients were randomly assigned to one of the two groups.
    Audiometric tests at the various frequencies most affected by the


    disease,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    i.e. those between 250 and 3000 Hz, were performed in all patients


    before

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    surgery and after 30 days of treatment. Statistical comparison between


    mean

    Quoted message said:

    bearing threshold values recorded in patients of the treated and control
    groups before and after oral NAC treatment showed that: 1. Hearing had
    markedly and very significantly improved in both groups after surgery;


    2.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Hearing had improved more significantly in the treated group than in the
    control group; 3. Hearing improvement in the treated group was more


    marked

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    at the low and medium frequencies particularly affected by the disease.
    These findings confirmed the pharmacological effect of oral NAC in the
    middle ear, and showed that it enhanced recovery of hearing. Follow-up


    took

    Quoted message said:

    place in all patients in the treated and control groups one year after
    surgery. Drains had remained in situ for periods ranging from 3 to 12
    months, and all had been removed or spontaneously expelled when the
    follow-up control was made. Otomicroscopic examination disclosed some
    pathological changes in both groups. However, the incidence of these


    changes

    Quoted message said:

    was not significant in either group. Audiometric tests showed, with


    respect

    Quoted message said:

    to both groups and to all the frequencies tested, a slight reduction in


    the

    Quoted message said:

    hearing gain recorded at the previous test performed one month after the
    insertion of the transtympanic drains. This loss was however less


    pronounced

    Quoted message said:

    in the treated group. In conclusion, oral NAC may be useful in


    enhanceing

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the functional effects of surgery in serous otitis media.Balli R.


    Controlled

    Quoted message said:

    trial on the use of oral acetylcysteine in the treatment of glue-ear
    following drainage. Eur J Respir Dis 61, Suppl 111;158; 1980.

    http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/uspdi/500403.html

    http://www.pharmacynetworkgroup.com/mucomyst-side-effects.htm

    (possible side effects of the drug)

    You might want to speak to your doctor about these.

    Anth


    Why not just stop what is causing the problem? Is that too simple?

  4. "Rich Shewmaker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    --

    "tools" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Well........... Seems that if one has a problem with excess mucus, the
    reasonable answer is to restrict the intake of mucus producing foods.

    "Mucus producing foods" is a persistent bit of altie mythology. The idea
    comes from a Dr. Jarvis who many years ago sold books promoting the


    concept

    Quoted message said:

    that all disease is caused by "congestion" of mucus in the body, and could
    be prevented by daily doses of vinegar and honey, and avoidance of MPF's.
    All those foods branded "mucus producing" appear to be high-protein, so I
    guess that it's the proteins that supposedly make mucus. This myth has


    stuck

    Quoted message said:

    and proliferated throughout the nutritional belief system of the altie
    world. Milk and other dairy products have been especially demonized. But
    milk doesn't cause mucus. And mucus is not the sticky stuff in "glue ear"
    (mucus is produced by mucus membranes, and there are no such membranes in
    the outer ear.) It's very doubtful that any change in diet at all would


    help

    Quoted message said:

    this young man with his ear problem.

    --Rich


    I do not agree.

  5. Maybe the mucus is the problem maybe it isn't? It's all a matter of risk.
    There's a risk with surgery and hearing loss, that's why I posted the
    complementary drug to reduce potential for hearing damage caused by the
    surgery.
    There's also other methods such as blowing up balloons and chewing gum -
    both with risks of not working.
    Anth

    "tools" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Question you have to ask yourself is, would you risk your child's


    hearing

    Quoted message said:

    on

    Quoted message said:

    something that may or may not work,


    So you would put the child at risk for your "definite risk factor"?

    Quoted message said:

    as opposed to a therapy which is proven to work and have a definite risk
    factor?
    Anth

    "tools" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    > Laser surgery for glue ear


    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/290930.stm

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >
    > Chewing a special chewing gum, made from a sugar substitute called
    Xylitol,
    > has also brought some success.
    > The gum is extracted from the silver birch tree and is said to have
    > anti-bacterial properties.
    >
    > Dr Scadding says it has been shown to reduce ear infections by 30%.
    >
    > (1 in 3 _isn't_ a good chance to risk your childs hearing imo)
    >
    > http://www.heart-disease-bypass-surgery.com/data/articles/12.htm
    >
    > (as a complementary to surgery)
    >
    > Acetylcysteine (a-se-teel-SIS-teen ) is a mucolytic (medicine that
    destroys
    > or dissolves mucus). It is usually given by inhalation but may be


    given

    Quoted message said:

    in

    Quoted message said:

    > other ways in a hospital.
    >
    > Controlled trial on the use of oral acetylcysteine in the treatment


    of

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > glue-ear following drainage.
    >
    > Thirty-six patients, 22 males and 14 females, aged about 7 years,
    suffering
    > from serous otitis media (glue ear), mostly bilateral and


    characterized

    Quoted message said:

    by

    Quoted message said:

    > abundant viscous discharge, underwent surgery consisting of


    myringotomy,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > aspiration and insertion of ShepardÕs transtympanic drain. After


    surgery

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    18
    > of these patients received 200 mg oral acelylcysteine (NAC) b.i.d.


    for

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    30

    Quoted message said:

    > days, while the remaining patients received no treatment and acted


    as

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > controls. Patients were randomly assigned to one of the two groups.
    > Audiometric tests at the various frequencies most affected by the


    disease,

    Quoted message said:

    > i.e. those between 250 and 3000 Hz, were performed in all patients


    before

    Quoted message said:

    > surgery and after 30 days of treatment. Statistical comparison


    between

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    mean
    > bearing threshold values recorded in patients of the treated and


    control

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > groups before and after oral NAC treatment showed that: 1. Hearing


    had

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > markedly and very significantly improved in both groups after


    surgery;

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    2.

    Quoted message said:

    > Hearing had improved more significantly in the treated group than in


    the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > control group; 3. Hearing improvement in the treated group was more


    marked

    Quoted message said:

    > at the low and medium frequencies particularly affected by the


    disease.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > These findings confirmed the pharmacological effect of oral NAC in


    the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > middle ear, and showed that it enhanced recovery of hearing.


    Follow-up

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    took
    > place in all patients in the treated and control groups one year


    after

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > surgery. Drains had remained in situ for periods ranging from 3 to


    12

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > months, and all had been removed or spontaneously expelled when the
    > follow-up control was made. Otomicroscopic examination disclosed


    some

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > pathological changes in both groups. However, the incidence of these
    changes
    > was not significant in either group. Audiometric tests showed, with
    respect
    > to both groups and to all the frequencies tested, a slight reduction


    in

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the
    > hearing gain recorded at the previous test performed one month after


    the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > insertion of the transtympanic drains. This loss was however less
    pronounced
    > in the treated group. In conclusion, oral NAC may be useful in


    enhanceing

    Quoted message said:

    > the functional effects of surgery in serous otitis media.Balli R.
    Controlled
    > trial on the use of oral acetylcysteine in the treatment of glue-ear
    > following drainage. Eur J Respir Dis 61, Suppl 111;158; 1980.
    >
    > http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/uspdi/500403.html
    >
    > http://www.pharmacynetworkgroup.com/mucomyst-side-effects.htm
    >
    > (possible side effects of the drug)

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Why not just stop what is causing the problem? Is that too simple?

  6. "Tsu Dho Nimh" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    tools said:
    Quoted message said:

    > Why not just stop what is causing the problem? Is that too simple?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    Well........... Seems that if one has a problem with excess mucus, the
    reasonable answer is to restrict the intake of mucus producing foods.

    It's not the QUANTITY, it's the stickiness of it.

    Tsu

    --
    To doubt everything or to believe everything
    are two equally convenient solutions; both
    dispense with the necessity of reflection.
    - Jules Henri Poincaré


    More H2O?

  7. Seems that if the hearing is not already destroyed, one or two weeks will
    not likely cause it.
    What do you fear about the food / water connection? Perhaps not enough
    "proof"? Fine, try a little test.
    Use no milk or dairy products, and drink lots of water, and take some
    vitamin C to help clear for one week, and then have a big dish of ice-cream,
    followed by a donut or two, wash it all down with a glass of milk or two if
    you like. After that, come here and report how you feel the morning after.
    You may be one of those people who can use all the snot producing things
    with little effect, though if you give it a week to clear out, I think you
    will feel the effect.
    "Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Maybe the mucus is the problem maybe it isn't? It's all a matter of risk.
    There's a risk with surgery and hearing loss, that's why I posted the
    complementary drug to reduce potential for hearing damage caused by the
    surgery.
    There's also other methods such as blowing up balloons and chewing gum -
    both with risks of not working.
    Anth

    "tools" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Question you have to ask yourself is, would you risk your child's


    hearing

    Quoted message said:

    on

    Quoted message said:

    something that may or may not work,


    So you would put the child at risk for your "definite risk factor"?

    Quoted message said:

    as opposed to a therapy which is proven to work and have a definite


    risk

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    factor?
    Anth

    "tools" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    >
    > "Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    > news:[email hidden]...
    > > Laser surgery for glue ear


    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/290930.stm

    Quoted message said:

    > >
    > > Chewing a special chewing gum, made from a sugar substitute called
    > Xylitol,
    > > has also brought some success.
    > > The gum is extracted from the silver birch tree and is said to


    have

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > anti-bacterial properties.
    > >
    > > Dr Scadding says it has been shown to reduce ear infections by


    30%.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > >
    > > (1 in 3 _isn't_ a good chance to risk your childs hearing imo)
    > >
    > > http://www.heart-disease-bypass-surgery.com/data/articles/12.htm
    > >
    > > (as a complementary to surgery)
    > >
    > > Acetylcysteine (a-se-teel-SIS-teen ) is a mucolytic (medicine that
    > destroys
    > > or dissolves mucus). It is usually given by inhalation but may be


    given

    Quoted message said:

    in
    > > other ways in a hospital.
    > >
    > > Controlled trial on the use of oral acetylcysteine in the


    treatment

    Quoted message said:

    of

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > glue-ear following drainage.
    > >
    > > Thirty-six patients, 22 males and 14 females, aged about 7 years,
    > suffering
    > > from serous otitis media (glue ear), mostly bilateral and


    characterized

    Quoted message said:

    by
    > > abundant viscous discharge, underwent surgery consisting of


    myringotomy,

    Quoted message said:

    > > aspiration and insertion of ShepardÕs transtympanic drain. After


    surgery

    Quoted message said:

    > 18
    > > of these patients received 200 mg oral acelylcysteine (NAC) b.i.d.


    for

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    30
    > > days, while the remaining patients received no treatment and acted


    as

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > controls. Patients were randomly assigned to one of the two


    groups.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > Audiometric tests at the various frequencies most affected by the
    disease,
    > > i.e. those between 250 and 3000 Hz, were performed in all patients
    before
    > > surgery and after 30 days of treatment. Statistical comparison


    between

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > mean
    > > bearing threshold values recorded in patients of the treated and


    control

    Quoted message said:

    > > groups before and after oral NAC treatment showed that: 1. Hearing


    had

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > markedly and very significantly improved in both groups after


    surgery;

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    2.
    > > Hearing had improved more significantly in the treated group than


    in

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the

    Quoted message said:

    > > control group; 3. Hearing improvement in the treated group was


    more

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    marked
    > > at the low and medium frequencies particularly affected by the


    disease.

    Quoted message said:

    > > These findings confirmed the pharmacological effect of oral NAC in


    the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > middle ear, and showed that it enhanced recovery of hearing.


    Follow-up

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > took
    > > place in all patients in the treated and control groups one year


    after

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > surgery. Drains had remained in situ for periods ranging from 3 to


    12

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > months, and all had been removed or spontaneously expelled when


    the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > follow-up control was made. Otomicroscopic examination disclosed


    some

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > pathological changes in both groups. However, the incidence of


    these

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > changes
    > > was not significant in either group. Audiometric tests showed,


    with

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > respect
    > > to both groups and to all the frequencies tested, a slight


    reduction

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    in

    Quoted message said:

    > the
    > > hearing gain recorded at the previous test performed one month


    after

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the

    Quoted message said:

    > > insertion of the transtympanic drains. This loss was however less
    > pronounced
    > > in the treated group. In conclusion, oral NAC may be useful in
    enhanceing
    > > the functional effects of surgery in serous otitis media.Balli R.
    > Controlled
    > > trial on the use of oral acetylcysteine in the treatment of


    glue-ear

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > following drainage. Eur J Respir Dis 61, Suppl 111;158; 1980.
    > >
    > > http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/uspdi/500403.html
    > >
    > > http://www.pharmacynetworkgroup.com/mucomyst-side-effects.htm
    > >
    > > (possible side effects of the drug)

    Quoted message said:

    > Why not just stop what is causing the problem? Is that too simple?

  8. Hi
    I am vegetarian and I try to avoid 'processed' foods, although
    hypocritically I do process my foods when I juice them.
    A good sign of a well hydrated body is clear urine.
    When I changed my diet I noticed no difference physically apart from my
    blood pressure lowering to normal and my weight going down.
    There is no doubt in my mind that a better diet improves well being, but
    when there is treatments that work vs treatments that might work
    I would consider taking the ones with lower risk.
    I do feel a lot better, but that's subjective.
    Anth

    "tools" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Seems that if the hearing is not already destroyed, one or two weeks will
    not likely cause it.
    What do you fear about the food / water connection? Perhaps not enough
    "proof"? Fine, try a little test.
    Use no milk or dairy products, and drink lots of water, and take some
    vitamin C to help clear for one week, and then have a big dish of


    ice-cream,

    Quoted message said:

    followed by a donut or two, wash it all down with a glass of milk or two


    if

    Quoted message said:

    you like. After that, come here and report how you feel the morning after.
    You may be one of those people who can use all the snot producing things
    with little effect, though if you give it a week to clear out, I think you
    will feel the effect.
    "Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Maybe the mucus is the problem maybe it isn't? It's all a matter of


    risk.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    There's a risk with surgery and hearing loss, that's why I posted the
    complementary drug to reduce potential for hearing damage caused by the
    surgery.
    There's also other methods such as blowing up balloons and chewing gum -
    both with risks of not working.
    Anth

    "tools" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    > Question you have to ask yourself is, would you risk your child's


    hearing

    Quoted message said:

    on
    > something that may or may not work,
    So you would put the child at risk for your "definite risk factor"?
    > as opposed to a therapy which is proven to work and have a definite


    risk

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > factor?
    > Anth
    >
    > "tools" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    > news:[email hidden]...
    > >
    > > "Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    > > news:[email hidden]...
    > > > Laser surgery for glue ear
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/290930.stm
    > > >
    > > > Chewing a special chewing gum, made from a sugar substitute


    called

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > Xylitol,
    > > > has also brought some success.
    > > > The gum is extracted from the silver birch tree and is said to


    have

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > > anti-bacterial properties.
    > > >
    > > > Dr Scadding says it has been shown to reduce ear infections by


    30%.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > >
    > > > (1 in 3 _isn't_ a good chance to risk your childs hearing imo)
    > > >
    > > > http://www.heart-disease-bypass-surgery.com/data/articles/12.htm
    > > >
    > > > (as a complementary to surgery)
    > > >
    > > > Acetylcysteine (a-se-teel-SIS-teen ) is a mucolytic (medicine


    that

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > destroys
    > > > or dissolves mucus). It is usually given by inhalation but may


    be

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    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    given
    > in
    > > > other ways in a hospital.
    > > >
    > > > Controlled trial on the use of oral acetylcysteine in the


    treatment

    Quoted message said:

    of

    Quoted message said:

    > > > glue-ear following drainage.
    > > >
    > > > Thirty-six patients, 22 males and 14 females, aged about 7


    years,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > suffering
    > > > from serous otitis media (glue ear), mostly bilateral and
    characterized
    > by
    > > > abundant viscous discharge, underwent surgery consisting of
    myringotomy,
    > > > aspiration and insertion of ShepardÕs transtympanic drain. After
    surgery
    > > 18
    > > > of these patients received 200 mg oral acelylcysteine (NAC)


    b.i.d.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    for

    Quoted message said:

    > 30
    > > > days, while the remaining patients received no treatment and


    acted

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    Quoted message said:

    as

    Quoted message said:

    > > > controls. Patients were randomly assigned to one of the two


    groups.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > > Audiometric tests at the various frequencies most affected by


    the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > disease,
    > > > i.e. those between 250 and 3000 Hz, were performed in all


    patients

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > before
    > > > surgery and after 30 days of treatment. Statistical comparison


    between

    Quoted message said:

    > > mean
    > > > bearing threshold values recorded in patients of the treated and
    control
    > > > groups before and after oral NAC treatment showed that: 1.


    Hearing

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    Quoted message said:

    had

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    > > > markedly and very significantly improved in both groups after


    surgery;

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    > 2.
    > > > Hearing had improved more significantly in the treated group


    than

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    in

    Quoted message said:
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    the
    > > > control group; 3. Hearing improvement in the treated group was


    more

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > marked
    > > > at the low and medium frequencies particularly affected by the
    disease.
    > > > These findings confirmed the pharmacological effect of oral NAC


    in

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the

    Quoted message said:

    > > > middle ear, and showed that it enhanced recovery of hearing.


    Follow-up

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    > > took
    > > > place in all patients in the treated and control groups one year


    after

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    > > > surgery. Drains had remained in situ for periods ranging from 3


    to

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    12

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    > > > months, and all had been removed or spontaneously expelled when


    the

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    > > > follow-up control was made. Otomicroscopic examination disclosed


    some

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    > > > pathological changes in both groups. However, the incidence of


    these

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    Quoted message said:

    > > changes
    > > > was not significant in either group. Audiometric tests showed,


    with

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > respect
    > > > to both groups and to all the frequencies tested, a slight


    reduction

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    in
    > > the
    > > > hearing gain recorded at the previous test performed one month


    after

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the
    > > > insertion of the transtympanic drains. This loss was however


    less

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > pronounced
    > > > in the treated group. In conclusion, oral NAC may be useful in
    > enhanceing
    > > > the functional effects of surgery in serous otitis media.Balli


    R.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > Controlled
    > > > trial on the use of oral acetylcysteine in the treatment of


    glue-ear

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > > following drainage. Eur J Respir Dis 61, Suppl 111;158; 1980.
    > > >
    > > > http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/uspdi/500403.html
    > > >
    > > > http://www.pharmacynetworkgroup.com/mucomyst-side-effects.htm
    > > >
    > > > (possible side effects of the drug)

    > > Why not just stop what is causing the problem? Is that too simple?

  9. Anth said:

    Maybe the mucus is the problem maybe it isn't?

    It';s called "glue ear" because th einner ear is filled wiht a
    thick, sticky exudate.

    Quoted message said:

    It's all a matter of risk.
    There's a risk with surgery and hearing loss

    There's a risk of hearing loss if it's not promptly treated

    Tsu

    --
    To doubt everything or to believe everything
    are two equally convenient solutions; both
    dispense with the necessity of reflection.
    - Jules Henri Poincaré

  10. What's the risk of treating sticky mucus using a holistic approach vs
    orthodox?
    Anth

    "Tsu Dho Nimh" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    There's a risk of hearing loss if it's not promptly treated
    Tsu

  11. In said:

    What's the risk of treating sticky mucus using a holistic approach vs
    orthodox?

    That the treatment won't work, in the meantime the child
    misses critical developmental stages [1] and potentially
    suffers enough hearing damage to cause permanent loss.

    [1] My daughter had chronic sinus infections during a time
    when children normally learn to distinguish vowels.
    It's taken her more than ten years to overcome that
    even with hard work.

    --
    | Microsoft: "A reputation for releasing inferior software will make |
    | it more difficult for a software vendor to induce customers to pay |
    | for new products or new versions of existing products." |
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  12. "Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Hi
    I am vegetarian and I try to avoid 'processed' foods, although
    hypocritically I do process my foods when I juice them.
    A good sign of a well hydrated body is clear urine.
    When I changed my diet I noticed no difference physically apart from my
    blood pressure lowering to normal and my weight going down.
    There is no doubt in my mind that a better diet improves well being, but
    when there is treatments that work vs treatments that might work
    I would consider taking the ones with lower risk.
    I do feel a lot better, but that's subjective.
    Anth


    Um, they ALL might, or might not work.

    Quoted message said:

    "tools" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Seems that if the hearing is not already destroyed, one or two weeks


    will

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    not likely cause it.
    What do you fear about the food / water connection? Perhaps not enough
    "proof"? Fine, try a little test.
    Use no milk or dairy products, and drink lots of water, and take some
    vitamin C to help clear for one week, and then have a big dish of


    ice-cream,

    Quoted message said:

    followed by a donut or two, wash it all down with a glass of milk or two


    if

    Quoted message said:

    you like. After that, come here and report how you feel the morning


    after.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    You may be one of those people who can use all the snot producing things
    with little effect, though if you give it a week to clear out, I think


    you

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    will feel the effect.
    "Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Maybe the mucus is the problem maybe it isn't? It's all a matter of


    risk.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    There's a risk with surgery and hearing loss, that's why I posted the
    complementary drug to reduce potential for hearing damage caused by


    the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    surgery.
    There's also other methods such as blowing up balloons and chewing


    gum -

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    both with risks of not working.
    Anth

    "tools" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    >
    > "Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    > news:[email hidden]...
    > > Question you have to ask yourself is, would you risk your child's
    hearing
    > on
    > > something that may or may not work,
    > So you would put the child at risk for your "definite risk factor"?
    > > as opposed to a therapy which is proven to work and have a


    definite

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    risk

    Quoted message said:

    > > factor?
    > > Anth
    > >
    > > "tools" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    > > news:[email hidden]...
    > > >
    > > > "Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    > > > news:[email hidden]...
    > > > > Laser surgery for glue ear
    > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/290930.stm
    > > > >
    > > > > Chewing a special chewing gum, made from a sugar substitute


    called

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > > Xylitol,
    > > > > has also brought some success.
    > > > > The gum is extracted from the silver birch tree and is said to


    have

    Quoted message said:

    > > > > anti-bacterial properties.
    > > > >
    > > > > Dr Scadding says it has been shown to reduce ear infections by


    30%.

    Quoted message said:

    > > > >
    > > > > (1 in 3 _isn't_ a good chance to risk your childs hearing


    imo)

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > > >
    > > > >


    http://www.heart-disease-bypass-surgery.com/data/articles/12.htm

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > > >
    > > > > (as a complementary to surgery)
    > > > >
    > > > > Acetylcysteine (a-se-teel-SIS-teen ) is a mucolytic (medicine


    that

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > > destroys
    > > > > or dissolves mucus). It is usually given by inhalation but may


    be

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > given
    > > in
    > > > > other ways in a hospital.
    > > > >
    > > > > Controlled trial on the use of oral acetylcysteine in the


    treatment

    Quoted message said:

    of
    > > > > glue-ear following drainage.
    > > > >
    > > > > Thirty-six patients, 22 males and 14 females, aged about 7


    years,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > > suffering
    > > > > from serous otitis media (glue ear), mostly bilateral and
    > characterized
    > > by
    > > > > abundant viscous discharge, underwent surgery consisting of
    > myringotomy,
    > > > > aspiration and insertion of ShepardÕs transtympanic drain.


    After

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > surgery
    > > > 18
    > > > > of these patients received 200 mg oral acelylcysteine (NAC)


    b.i.d.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    for
    > > 30
    > > > > days, while the remaining patients received no treatment and


    acted

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    as
    > > > > controls. Patients were randomly assigned to one of the two


    groups.

    Quoted message said:

    > > > > Audiometric tests at the various frequencies most affected by


    the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > disease,
    > > > > i.e. those between 250 and 3000 Hz, were performed in all


    patients

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > before
    > > > > surgery and after 30 days of treatment. Statistical comparison
    between
    > > > mean
    > > > > bearing threshold values recorded in patients of the treated


    and

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > control
    > > > > groups before and after oral NAC treatment showed that: 1.


    Hearing

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    had
    > > > > markedly and very significantly improved in both groups after
    surgery;
    > > 2.
    > > > > Hearing had improved more significantly in the treated group


    than

    Quoted message said:

    in

    Quoted message said:

    > the
    > > > > control group; 3. Hearing improvement in the treated group was


    more

    Quoted message said:

    > > marked
    > > > > at the low and medium frequencies particularly affected by the
    > disease.
    > > > > These findings confirmed the pharmacological effect of oral


    NAC

    Quoted message said:

    in

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the
    > > > > middle ear, and showed that it enhanced recovery of hearing.
    Follow-up
    > > > took
    > > > > place in all patients in the treated and control groups one


    year

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    after
    > > > > surgery. Drains had remained in situ for periods ranging from


    3

    Quoted message said:

    to

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    12
    > > > > months, and all had been removed or spontaneously expelled


    when

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the

    Quoted message said:

    > > > > follow-up control was made. Otomicroscopic examination


    disclosed

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    some
    > > > > pathological changes in both groups. However, the incidence of


    these

    Quoted message said:

    > > > changes
    > > > > was not significant in either group. Audiometric tests showed,


    with

    Quoted message said:

    > > > respect
    > > > > to both groups and to all the frequencies tested, a slight


    reduction

    Quoted message said:

    > in
    > > > the
    > > > > hearing gain recorded at the previous test performed one month


    after

    Quoted message said:

    > the
    > > > > insertion of the transtympanic drains. This loss was however


    less

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > > pronounced
    > > > > in the treated group. In conclusion, oral NAC may be useful in
    > > enhanceing
    > > > > the functional effects of surgery in serous otitis media.Balli


    R.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > > Controlled
    > > > > trial on the use of oral acetylcysteine in the treatment of


    glue-ear

    Quoted message said:

    > > > > following drainage. Eur J Respir Dis 61, Suppl 111;158; 1980.
    > > > >
    > > > > http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/uspdi/500403.html
    > > > >
    > > > > http://www.pharmacynetworkgroup.com/mucomyst-side-effects.htm
    > > > >
    > > > > (possible side effects of the drug)
    >
    > > > Why not just stop what is causing the problem? Is that too


    simple?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >
    >
    >

  13. "Tsu Dho Nimh" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Anth said:

    Maybe the mucus is the problem maybe it isn't?

    It';s called "glue ear" because th einner ear is filled wiht a
    thick, sticky exudate.

    Quoted message said:

    It's all a matter of risk.
    There's a risk with surgery and hearing loss

    There's a risk of hearing loss if it's not promptly treated


    No [censored] sherlock. Whats being debated is treatment. Please do try to keep up
    with the rest of the class.

    Quoted message said:

    Tsu

    --
    To doubt everything or to believe everything
    are two equally convenient solutions; both
    dispense with the necessity of reflection.
    - Jules Henri Poincaré

  14. Hi Guys,
    I am not completely discounting surgery. There is a waiting list here in
    England and I am merely trying to find solutions for the problem whilst he
    is waiting for the operation. I have no intention of putting my child in any
    danger by refusing surgery. I merely feel that there only seems to be one
    route using conventional methods i.e. wait six months see if the problem
    rectifies itself > antibiotics (if no improvement) > surgery.
    Thanks for your input
    Andy (concerned dad)

    "D. C. Sessions" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    In said:

    What's the risk of treating sticky mucus using a holistic approach vs
    orthodox?

    That the treatment won't work, in the meantime the child
    misses critical developmental stages [1] and potentially
    suffers enough hearing damage to cause permanent loss.

    [1] My daughter had chronic sinus infections during a time
    when children normally learn to distinguish vowels.
    It's taken her more than ten years to overcome that
    even with hard work.

    --
    | Microsoft: "A reputation for releasing inferior software will make |
    | it more difficult for a software vendor to induce customers to pay |
    | for new products or new versions of existing products." |
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