Re: $$$$ for Bu$h

In article <[email hidden]>,
[email hidden] says...
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Quoted message said:

But I would invite you to visit Ground Zero, and maybe read a few accounts
of what happened there, if you haven't, as it might illuminate and refine
your concept of "self-defense".

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Regards,
Lester

Let's see here. 19 hijackers, 15 from Saudi Arabia, 0 from Iraq.
Funding source for Al-Queda, mostly from Saudi Arabia, none from Iraq.
Leader of Iraq- secular Saddam
Leader of Al-Queda - fanatic fundamental Islamic Osama, who volunteered to
attack Iraq and kill Saddam, not a buddy of Saddam.
Oh, lets see how Afganistan is doing.... 90% of the world's opium production,
business is good. Aww, Jeez, the women are still in burkas, and outside of
Kabul, the warlords are still in power. Yep, democracy is on the march.
Anyone know when Osama's new video is coming out?

In article <[email hidden]>,

timeOday said:

Lester Long said:

But I would invite you to visit Ground Zero, and maybe read a few accounts
of what happened there, if you haven't, as it might illuminate and refine
your concept of "self-defense".

We should be hunting down Osama and his followers all over the world, in
conjuction with other governments. I supported the invasion of
Afghanistan, and I still think it was the right thing to do. The
Taliban really were harboring Al-Qaeda.

But the bulk of our effort has gone into Iraq. I just don't see the
link between Iraq terrorism, and I know the administration tried hard to
find one. It is nice to see Saddam Hussein out of power, but there have
been tens of thousands of Iraqis killed.

But you have to admit they're better off now because they're free. Better to die
a free man than to live in slavery, right?

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I think very few of them had
any real interest in international terrorism. And then there are the
dead American troops to account for, who at some point will surpass the
victims of 911 in number (and already do, depending on how you weigh
maimings against fatalities).

But you have to admit they died for *our* freedom. After all, what would
Memorial Day be without some newly dead soldiers to memorialize?

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And for all that, I don't believe
invading Iraq has made the homeland any safer. If anything, the
invasion has taken attention away from the isolated cells of terrorists
around the world who I believe pose the greatest threat of launching
attacks, and their leader Bin Laden, whose name the administration
seldom utters anymore.

--
Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com> http://www.timberwoof.com
If Macintosh is a luxury cruise ship,
then Linux is a freighter with wood paneling in the officers' quarters.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Larry Hodges said:

JMW said:

Timberwoof said:

"Lester Long" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
> But I would invite you to visit Ground Zero, and maybe read a few
> accounts of what happened there, if you haven't, as it might
> illuminate and refine your concept of "self-defense".

In 1945 at Ground Zero, the scientists working at Los Alamos blew up
the first atomic bomb. A few weeks later they blew up some more over
Japan.

Maybe we should do stuff like that more often. It's pretty effective.

I'd volunteer to push the button. But I think Hanson would want to arm
wrestle me for it. Somehow I think he'd get the honor.

What, nuke Baghdad? That would only give the whole rest of the world even more
reason to pull [censored] like that.

Okay, I was wrong. They didn't have much of a reason before. But if the US were
to nuke Baghdad or any other place, that would be a big reason for them to start
seriously hitting back. And they'd remember it for decades in the form of
cancer... and they'd hate the US for centuries.

Well, okay, if you need a way to generate enemies as a way of maintaining
control of the domestic population, that' would be a pretty good way to start.

--
Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com> http://www.timberwoof.com
If Macintosh is a luxury cruise ship,
then Linux is a freighter with wood paneling in the officers' quarters.

"Timberwoof" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Larry Hodges said:

JMW said:

Timberwoof <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
> "Lester Long" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>
>> But I would invite you to visit Ground Zero, and maybe read a few
>> accounts of what happened there, if you haven't, as it might
>> illuminate and refine your concept of "self-defense".
>
> In 1945 at Ground Zero, the scientists working at Los Alamos blew up
> the first atomic bomb. A few weeks later they blew up some more over
> Japan.

Maybe we should do stuff like that more often. It's pretty effective.

I'd volunteer to push the button. But I think Hanson would want to arm
wrestle me for it. Somehow I think he'd get the honor.

What, nuke Baghdad? That would only give the whole rest of the world even

more

Quoted message said:

reason to pull [censored] like that.

Okay, I was wrong. They didn't have much of a reason before. But if the US

were

Quoted message said:

to nuke Baghdad or any other place, that would be a big reason for them to

start

Quoted message said:

seriously hitting back. And they'd remember it for decades in the form of
cancer... and they'd hate the US for centuries.

Like Japan?

Lester

Quoted message said:

Well, okay, if you need a way to generate enemies as a way of maintaining
control of the domestic population, that' would be a pretty good way to

start.

Quoted message said:

--
Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com> http://www.timberwoof.com
If Macintosh is a luxury cruise ship,
then Linux is a freighter with wood paneling in the officers' quarters.

timeOday said:

I wouldn't assume everybody who is anti-Bush is anti-Republican. There
are still some conservatives hoping that next time the Republicans will
run a candidate who believes in smaller government, fiscal
responsibility, personal liberty, and use of the military only for
self-defense.

Yeah, like every republican with a working mind. Unfortunately,
that doesn't seem to be the majority of 'em...

--

"Evil prevails when good people do nothing."

"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things
that matter." -- Martin Luther King Jr.

"God told me to strike at al Qaeda and I struck them. And then
he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did."
-- George W. Bush

"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the
will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the
Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."
-- Adolf [censored]

"Brutal and sadistic? By what girly-man standards? Compared
to how Saddam treated his prisoners, a bit of humiliation was
a walk in the park. AFAIK, No one died or even lost any blood."
-Albert Nurick, a usenet kook, on the rape, torture and murder
at bu$h's Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq.
(http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0512-10.htm)

http://globalresearch.ca/
http://www.wsws.org/

George W. Bush: "Intelligence gathered by this and other
governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues
to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever
devised." March 17, 2003.

"I think this is the worst government the US has ever
had in its more than 200 years of history. It has
engaged in extraordinarily irresponsible policies not
only in foreign policy and economics but also in social
and environmental policy.....This is not normal government
policy. Now is the time for people to engage in civil
disobedience. I think it's time to protest - as much as
possible....What we have here is a form of looting."
- George A. Akerlof, 2001 Nobel prize laureate economist

"One of the things we don't want to do is destroy the
infrastructure in Iraq because in a few days we're going
to own that country," - Tom Brokaw

Cost of probing Bill Clinton's sex life: $65 million.
Cost of probing the Columbia shuttle disaster: $50 million.
Funds assigned to independent Sept. 11 panel: $3 million.

http://www.commondreams.org/
http://www.truthout.org/
http://counterpunch.org/
http://responsiblewealth.org/

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President,
or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is
not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable
to the American public."
-- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)

"You know, when bu$h said that he's against nation building,
I didn't realize that he meant only the United States"
-- Al Franken

Don't let bu$h do to the United States what his very close
friend and top campaign contributor, Ken Lay, did to Enron...

JMW said:

Timberwoof said:

Lester Long said:

But I would invite you to visit Ground Zero, and maybe read a few accounts
of what happened there, if you haven't, as it might illuminate and refine
your concept of "self-defense".

In 1945 at Ground Zero, the scientists working at Los Alamos blew up the first
atomic bomb. A few weeks later they blew up some more over Japan.

Maybe we should do stuff like that more often. It's pretty effective.

Another ignorant, brainwashed and gullible bu$h apologist
proves that it's a terrorist who shares the mentality of our
stated enemies, and approves of the mass murder of innocent
women and children - not that we needed any more proof....

-

"Evil prevails when good people do nothing."

"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things
that matter." -- Martin Luther King Jr.

"God told me to strike at al Qaeda and I struck them. And then
he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did."
-- George W. Bush

"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the
will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the
Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."
-- Adolf [censored]

"Brutal and sadistic? By what girly-man standards? Compared
to how Saddam treated his prisoners, a bit of humiliation was
a walk in the park. AFAIK, No one died or even lost any blood."
-Albert Nurick, a usenet kook, on the rape, torture and murder
at bu$h's Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq.
(http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0512-10.htm)

http://globalresearch.ca/
http://www.wsws.org/

George W. Bush: "Intelligence gathered by this and other
governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues
to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever
devised." March 17, 2003.

"I think this is the worst government the US has ever
had in its more than 200 years of history. It has
engaged in extraordinarily irresponsible policies not
only in foreign policy and economics but also in social
and environmental policy.....This is not normal government
policy. Now is the time for people to engage in civil
disobedience. I think it's time to protest - as much as
possible....What we have here is a form of looting."
- George A. Akerlof, 2001 Nobel prize laureate economist

"One of the things we don't want to do is destroy the
infrastructure in Iraq because in a few days we're going
to own that country," - Tom Brokaw

Cost of probing Bill Clinton's sex life: $65 million.
Cost of probing the Columbia shuttle disaster: $50 million.
Funds assigned to independent Sept. 11 panel: $3 million.

http://www.commondreams.org/
http://www.truthout.org/
http://counterpunch.org/
http://responsiblewealth.org/

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President,
or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is
not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable
to the American public."
-- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)

"You know, when bu$h said that he's against nation building,
I didn't realize that he meant only the United States"
-- Al Franken

Don't let bu$h do to the United States what his very close
friend and top campaign contributor, Ken Lay, did to Enron...

"Timberwoof" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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But you have to admit they're better off now because they're free. Better
to die
a free man than to live in slavery, right?

What an ingrate.

I'm sure as hell glad you weren't around to say that to Samuel Adams.

"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better
than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not
your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May
your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our
countrymen."

The time is now near at hand which must probably determine whether Americans
are to be freemen or slaves; whether they are to have any property they can
call their own; whether their houses and farms are to be pillaged and
destroyed, and themselves consigned to a state of wretchedness from which no
human efforts will deliver them.
- George Washington

On Sun, 05 Jun 2005 20:01:14 GMT, Timberwoof
<[email hidden]> wrote in misc.fitness.weights:

Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

John Hanson said:

On Sat, 4 Jun 2005 22:49:36 -0700, "Larry Hodges"
<[email hidden]> wrote in misc.fitness.weights:

Quoted message said:

JMW wrote:
> Timberwoof <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>
>> "Lester Long" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>
>>> But I would invite you to visit Ground Zero, and maybe read a few
>>> accounts of what happened there, if you haven't, as it might
>>> illuminate and refine your concept of "self-defense".
>>
>> In 1945 at Ground Zero, the scientists working at Los Alamos blew up
>> the first atomic bomb. A few weeks later they blew up some more over
>> Japan.
>
> Maybe we should do stuff like that more often. It's pretty effective.

I'd volunteer to push the button. But I think Hanson would want to arm
wrestle me for it. Somehow I think he'd get the honor.

I think you are right:-) In hindsight, we should have never tested
that bomb on American soil. We should have dropped the first one on
Tokyo as a test. Japan has never gotten enough payback.

For what? Attacking a military base?

Bataan, Nanking, medical experiments on prisoners and torture.

Timberwoof said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Larry Hodges said:

JMW said:

Timberwoof <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
> "Lester Long" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>
>> But I would invite you to visit Ground Zero, and maybe read a few
>> accounts of what happened there, if you haven't, as it might
>> illuminate and refine your concept of "self-defense".
>
> In 1945 at Ground Zero, the scientists working at Los Alamos blew
> up the first atomic bomb. A few weeks later they blew up some more
> over Japan.

Maybe we should do stuff like that more often. It's pretty
effective.

I'd volunteer to push the button. But I think Hanson would want to
arm wrestle me for it. Somehow I think he'd get the honor.

What, nuke Baghdad? That would only give the whole rest of the world
even more reason to pull [censored] like that.

Okay, I was wrong. They didn't have much of a reason before. But if
the US were to nuke Baghdad or any other place, that would be a big
reason for them to start seriously hitting back. And they'd remember
it for decades in the form of cancer... and they'd hate the US for
centuries.

Ummm...in case you missed the memo, they already hate our guts. And no
amount of "befriending" them will change that. We will always be the
Infidels in their eyes. Always.

Quoted message said:

Well, okay, if you need a way to generate enemies as a way of
maintaining control of the domestic population, that' would be a
pretty good way to start.

--
-Larry

"Larry Hodges" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

John Hanson said:

On Sun, 05 Jun 2005 20:01:14 GMT, Timberwoof
<[email hidden]> wrote in misc.fitness.weights:

Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,
John Hanson <[email hidden]> wrote:

> On Sat, 4 Jun 2005 22:49:36 -0700, "Larry Hodges"
> <[email hidden]> wrote in misc.fitness.weights:
>
>> JMW wrote:
>>> Timberwoof <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Lester Long" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> But I would invite you to visit Ground Zero, and maybe read a
>>>>> few accounts of what happened there, if you haven't, as it might
>>>>> illuminate and refine your concept of "self-defense".
>>>>
>>>> In 1945 at Ground Zero, the scientists working at Los Alamos
>>>> blew up the first atomic bomb. A few weeks later they blew up
>>>> some more over Japan.
>>>
>>> Maybe we should do stuff like that more often. It's pretty
>>> effective.
>>
>> I'd volunteer to push the button. But I think Hanson would want
>> to arm wrestle me for it. Somehow I think he'd get the honor.
>
> I think you are right:-) In hindsight, we should have never tested
> that bomb on American soil. We should have dropped the first one on
> Tokyo as a test. Japan has never gotten enough payback.

For what? Attacking a military base?

Bataan, Nanking, medical experiments on prisoners and torture.

Hell, we rebuilt their country for them after the war. Then, gave it back
to them. Name another superpower in the history of the World that would
ever do that for an enemy they defeated. I feel sorry for the Liberals
because they are so blinded by their hatred of this great Nation that they
miss all the things that make it great.

Liberals remind me of Gollum. It's obvious to everybody but themselves
how consumed and misguided they are, to the point of being stupid. I'm
torn between pity and disgust for them. But in Hank's case, it's simple
hatred.

<chuckle> A lot of people share that sentiment.. Simple hatred has been the
Karl Rove message since the Bush phenomenon developed .. [censored]'s handlers
employed the same strategy when he was coming into power in Germany.. Divide
and conquer... Americans are no longer political opponenets.. They have
become bitter enemies The sad part of it is, that Americans are destroying
the very principles which have made this country the greatest society in
history.. That's scary..

Bill Walker
Irving, Tx.

Quoted message said:

--
-Larry

"Bill Walker"

Quoted message said:

"Larry Hodges"

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Hell, we rebuilt their country for them after the war. Then, gave it back to them. Name another superpower in the history of
the World that would ever do that for an enemy they defeated. I feel sorry for the Liberals because they are so blinded by their
hatred of this great Nation that they miss all the things that make it great.

Liberals remind me of Gollum. It's obvious to everybody but themselves how consumed and misguided they are, to the point of
being stupid. I'm torn between pity and disgust for them. But in Hank's case, it's simple hatred.

Quoted message said:

<chuckle> A lot of people share that sentiment.. Simple hatred has been the Karl Rove message since the Bush phenomenon developed
.

Or that's the way you see it, which means that the hate is between your
ears.

Quoted message said:

[censored]'s handlers employed the same strategy when he was coming into power in Germany.. Divide and conquer...

Wrong. Their strategy was to unite the Germans and create a common cause.
Are you suggesting that the liberals might become conservatives in time? Seems to
me that the hate and polarization is coming from the left. It's odd that you completely
ignore the hate speech from the leftwing party leaders, heard Dean lately?

Quoted message said:

Americans are no longer political opponenets.. They have become bitter enemies

No, the left is bitter. Like baby Johnny that didn't get his cookie before dinner.

Quoted message said:

The sad part of it is, that Americans are destroying the very principles which have made this country the greatest society in
history.. That's scary..

Bill Walker

Your propaganda would be scary if anyone took it seriously.

Bill Walker said:

"Larry Hodges" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

John Hanson said:

On Sun, 05 Jun 2005 20:01:14 GMT, Timberwoof
<[email hidden]> wrote in misc.fitness.weights:

> In article <[email hidden]>,
> John Hanson <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 4 Jun 2005 22:49:36 -0700, "Larry Hodges"
>> <[email hidden]> wrote in misc.fitness.weights:
>>
>>> JMW wrote:
>>>> Timberwoof <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Lester Long" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But I would invite you to visit Ground Zero, and maybe read a
>>>>>> few accounts of what happened there, if you haven't, as it
>>>>>> might illuminate and refine your concept of "self-defense".
>>>>>
>>>>> In 1945 at Ground Zero, the scientists working at Los Alamos
>>>>> blew up the first atomic bomb. A few weeks later they blew up
>>>>> some more over Japan.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe we should do stuff like that more often. It's pretty
>>>> effective.
>>>
>>> I'd volunteer to push the button. But I think Hanson would want
>>> to arm wrestle me for it. Somehow I think he'd get the honor.
>>
>> I think you are right:-) In hindsight, we should have never
>> tested that bomb on American soil. We should have dropped the
>> first one on Tokyo as a test. Japan has never gotten enough
>> payback.
>
> For what? Attacking a military base?

Bataan, Nanking, medical experiments on prisoners and torture.

Hell, we rebuilt their country for them after the war. Then, gave
it back to them. Name another superpower in the history of the
World that would ever do that for an enemy they defeated. I feel
sorry for the Liberals because they are so blinded by their hatred
of this great Nation that they miss all the things that make it
great. Liberals remind me of Gollum. It's obvious to everybody but
themselves how consumed and misguided they are, to the point of
being stupid. I'm torn between pity and disgust for them. But in
Hank's case, it's simple hatred.

<chuckle>

I'm continually amused how you libs attempt a condescending attitude, as if
that give validity to your statements.

Quoted message said:

A lot of people share that sentiment.. Simple hatred has
been the Karl Rove message since the Bush phenomenon developed ..
[censored]'s handlers employed the same strategy when he was coming into
power in Germany..

You should know. [censored] was the ultimate liberal. You do know what the
acronym NAZI stands for don't you? Look it up.

Quoted message said:

Divide and conquer...

Sounds like the Demoncratic strategy with the Supreme Court candidates.

Quoted message said:

Americans are no longer
political opponenets.. They have become bitter enemies The sad part
of it is, that Americans are destroying the very principles which
have made this country the greatest society in history.. That's
scary..

It sure is scary. Which is why we need to return to Traditional values. To
the values that built this Country and made it great. Those would be
Jewdao-Christian values btw.

Quoted message said:

Bill Walker
Irving, Tx.

Quoted message said:

--
-Larry

--
-Larry

Larry Hodges said:

Bill Walker said:

<chuckle>

I'm continually amused how you libs attempt a condescending attitude, as if
that give validity to your statements.

Same as it ever was. I had to Google for this, but I found a quote I
think you'll like. I posted this back in January 2000, a year before
GWB began his first term:

"And keep in mind that, contrary to some beliefs, there are no
'absolutes' of social justice. It is, was, and always will be a
matter of political debate. At least within this country, those who
stand on a street corner and scream, 'These things are wrong, and
nobody knows about them!' are often sadly naïve. Frequently, the
public is fully aware of the issues and finds the proposed solutions
unacceptable. This tends to be the primary error of American (and
probably Canadian) left-wing philosophy; the proponents have a rigid
belief that they possess the moral high ground and are utterly
incredulous of the concept that anyone could possibly believe
differently. In that sense, they are not different than the far right
wing."

--

JMW
http://www.rustyiron.net

"Don" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,
[email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

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OK, and lets say that you are the president and its September 12, 2001.

I would have gone into Afghanistan, like Bush did. But I would have kept
the
troops there until Osama was captured or killed, and the warlords were
removed
from power. I would not allow opium to be grown. I'd support human rights
for
women. I'd support the country until it was no longer a failed state.
There
are more cops in NYC than American troops in Afghanistan.

I thank you for your honesty. I didn't know that the point and purpose of
the US Military was to enforce US drug laws half a world away. Since we
can't even handle the WoD on the home front, it follows that in the most
hostile terrain on earth to fight any type of war that "not allowing opium
to be grown" is an operation that could be wrapped up in a few short
months. Short of salting the earth or nuking the land into a sea of glass
so that nothing grows, what exactly is the exit strategy for dealing with
the opium trade?

I agree with you that seeing OBL's head on a stake would bring great
satsifaction.

JMW said:

Larry Hodges said:

Bill Walker said:

<chuckle>

I'm continually amused how you libs attempt a condescending
attitude, as if that give validity to your statements.

Same as it ever was. I had to Google for this, but I found a quote I
think you'll like. I posted this back in January 2000, a year before
GWB began his first term:

"And keep in mind that, contrary to some beliefs, there are no
'absolutes' of social justice. It is, was, and always will be a
matter of political debate. At least within this country, those who
stand on a street corner and scream, 'These things are wrong, and
nobody knows about them!' are often sadly naïve. Frequently, the
public is fully aware of the issues and finds the proposed solutions
unacceptable. This tends to be the primary error of American (and
probably Canadian) left-wing philosophy; the proponents have a rigid
belief that they possess the moral high ground and are utterly
incredulous of the concept that anyone could possibly believe
differently. In that sense, they are not different than the far right
wing."

Well said John. I think that about covers it.
--
-Larry

Larry Hodges said:

[censored] was the ultimate liberal.

More Hodges ignorance inspired idiocy that's at
odds with reality, as ususal.

http://www.remember.org/guide/Facts.root.nazi.html

[censored], like bu$h, was a right wing extremist and
a fascist. They both use(d) religion to justify their
hate, war crimes, and terrorism, and both suffer(ed)
from mental illness and instability. And of course,
both were a tragedy for their respective countries.
Did you know the the bu$h family did a lot of business
with the Nazis? No, of course you didn't, because it's a
fact....

-

"God told me to strike at al Qaeda and I struck them. And then
he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did."
-- George W. Bush

"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the
will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the
Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."
-- Adolf [censored]

"The tsunami was a wonderful opportunity to show not just the
US government, but the heart of the American people, and I think
it has paid great dividends for us." Condoleezza Rice

"One of the things we don't want to do is destroy the
infrastructure in Iraq because in a few days we're going
to own that country," - Tom Brokaw

Cost of probing Bill Clinton's sex life: $65 million.
Cost of probing the Columbia shuttle disaster: $50 million.
Funds assigned to independent Sept. 11 panel: $3 million.

"After all, it is the leaders of the country who determine
the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the
people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist
dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship.
Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the
bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to
do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the
peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country
to danger. It works the same in any country."
-- Hermann Goering, President of the Reichstag, Nazi Party, and
Luftwaffe Commander in Chief

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President,
or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is
not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable
to the American public."
-- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)

"You know, when bu$h said that he's against nation building,
I didn't realize that he meant only the United States"
-- Al Franken

Don't let bu$h do to the United States what his very close
friend and top campaign contributor, Ken Lay, did to Enron...

Hank' 'stopbu$h said:

Larry Hodges said:

I feel sorry for the Liberals because they are so blinded
by their hatred of this great Nation that they
miss all the things that make it great.

The anti American war criminals, terrorists, taxpayer thieves,
and cowardly draft dodgers on the bu$h regime who are trashing
our economy, our infrastructure, our environment, and our Military,
are not Liberals. They are right wing religious fundamentalist
extremists who are pretty much the same as al Qadea and other Muslim
extremists, only they worship a different god. Stop acting like
a simple minded [censored].

What? Did you say something? Didn't think so. It's like you have a pull
string on your chest, and when someone gives it a pull, you start puking all
your liberal [censored]. But, keep it up. It helps the Republicans.
--
-Larry

"Hank" <"stopbu$h"@warcrimes.gov> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Larry Hodges said:

[censored] was the ultimate liberal.

More Hodges ignorance inspired idiocy that's at
odds with reality, as ususal.

http://www.remember.org/guide/Facts.root.nazi.html

[censored],... was a right wing extremist and a fascist.

Which explains why [censored] was the head of the National SOCIALIST German
Worker's Party.

Now mixing "right wing extremist" with "fascist" has always puzzled me (but
Libs do it because deconstruction is a way of life), since after dispensing
with the strong patriotism, fascism basically means that government controls
the means of production. How Fascism allegedly differs from
Socialism/Communism is that fascists pretend that private individuals
actually own the property in question - operationally there is no practical
difference. When I hear "right wing extremist" I keep hearing it in
context of "far right religous fundamentalists". So if "far-right" is akin
to "right wing extremism" then it follows that if we want to know what a
"right wing extremist" is we simply need to check-out what Pat Robertson and
Jerry Falwell are pushing, and I don't ever see anything remotely similar to
fascism in their rants from the pulpit. But that's just me.

BTW, [censored] actually loved Germany and wanted to see Germany as the World's
Super Power, 'W', OTOH, has a record that shows that the united States is
nothing more than a big pile of money and guns to endlessly plunder to
provide people of every turd world nation a raised standard of living never
known to them before. IOW, [censored] wanted Germany to dominate and solidify
its national identity, Bush seems to want the US to fade away and completely
lose its national identity.

Quoted message said:

They both use(d) religion to justify their
hate, war crimes, and terrorism...

Being that [censored] was an atheist, how else does one explain why [censored] not
only endeavored to murder all of the Jews, but also set out to find and
murder Catholics and Christians as well? [censored] also was a huge fan of
evolution and its logical outcome - subserviance to the state, eugenics and
euthenasia. One of the many reasons Libs hate Christians is because
Christians are generally Creationists, and fight against eugenics and
euthenasia. 'W' is against the logical conclusions of evolution by standing
up for the unborn and declining to use Fe'ral tax dollars to underwrite
infant stem cell research. If anything, it would appear that [censored] and
Liberals have far more in common when it comes to the practice in what they
believe.

Quoted message said:

and both suffer(ed)
from mental illness and instability.

Come on, troll, you're making this [censored] up as you go along. Its sort of
like some of the games that radio disk jockies play on unsuspecting callers,
by just ramping up on the absurd comments until their callers catch on that
they are being played.

But then again, the little voices in your head may be feeding you these
lines....

Quoted message said:

Did you know the the bu$h family did a lot of business
with the Nazis? No, of course you didn't, because it's a
fact....

More likely because it is not true. But for fun, lets say that they did.
Not only did business, but actually used the family's wealth to build
factories in Germany. So what is your point? Plenty of companies, and no
doubt you have done plenty of business with a Communist nation that enslaves
its people and wishes to wage war on its neighbors - that country is China.
Let's say that China makes a move on Taiwan and the former island of Formosa
asks the US to fulfill the treaty agreements and step in and defend our
trade partner from the aggressive acts of China (aka War). Can we
insinuate that you are a communist slave driver because you have done
business with China?

"Reuben Hick" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

"Hank" <"stopbu$h"@warcrimes.gov> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Larry Hodges said:

[censored] was the ultimate liberal.

More Hodges ignorance inspired idiocy that's at
odds with reality, as ususal.

http://www.remember.org/guide/Facts.root.nazi.html

[censored],... was a right wing extremist and a fascist.

Which explains why [censored] was the head of the National SOCIALIST German
Worker's Party.

Now mixing "right wing extremist" with "fascist" has always puzzled me
(but Libs do it because deconstruction is a way of life), since after
dispensing with the strong patriotism, fascism basically means that
government controls the means of production. How Fascism allegedly
differs from Socialism/Communism is that fascists pretend that private
individuals actually own the property in question - operationally there is
no practical difference. When I hear "right wing extremist" I keep
hearing it in context of "far right religous fundamentalists". So if
"far-right" is akin to "right wing extremism" then it follows that if we
want to know what a "right wing extremist" is we simply need to check-out
what Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell are pushing, and I don't ever see
anything remotely similar to fascism in their rants from the pulpit. But
that's just me.

BTW, [censored] actually loved Germany and wanted to see Germany as the
World's Super Power, 'W', OTOH, has a record that shows that the united
States is nothing more than a big pile of money and guns to endlessly
plunder to provide people of every turd world nation a raised standard of
living never known to them before. IOW, [censored] wanted Germany to
dominate and solidify its national identity, Bush seems to want the US to
fade away and completely lose its national identity.

Quoted message said:

They both use(d) religion to justify their
hate, war crimes, and terrorism...

Being that [censored] was an atheist, how else does one explain why [censored] not
only endeavored to murder all of the Jews, but also set out to find and
murder Catholics and Christians as well? [censored] also was a huge fan of
evolution and its logical outcome - subserviance to the state, eugenics
and euthenasia. One of the many reasons Libs hate Christians is because
Christians are generally Creationists, and fight against eugenics and
euthenasia. 'W' is against the logical conclusions of evolution by
standing up for the unborn and declining to use Fe'ral tax dollars to
underwrite infant stem cell research. If anything, it would appear that
[censored] and Liberals have far more in common when it comes to the practice
in what they believe.

Quoted message said:

and both suffer(ed)
from mental illness and instability.

Come on, troll, you're making this [censored] up as you go along. Its sort
of like some of the games that radio disk jockies play on unsuspecting
callers, by just ramping up on the absurd comments until their callers
catch on that they are being played.

But then again, the little voices in your head may be feeding you these
lines....

Quoted message said:

Did you know the the bu$h family did a lot of business
with the Nazis? No, of course you didn't, because it's a
fact....

More likely because it is not true. But for fun, lets say that they did.
Not only did business, but actually used the family's wealth to build
factories in Germany. So what is your point? Plenty of companies, and
no doubt you have done plenty of business with a Communist nation that
enslaves its people and wishes to wage war on its neighbors - that country
is China. Let's say that China makes a move on Taiwan and the former
island of Formosa asks the US to fulfill the treaty agreements and step in
and defend our trade partner from the aggressive acts of China (aka War).
Can we insinuate that you are a communist slave driver because you have
done business with China?

ROTFL... bubba.. you better quit tuning in on Limbaugh..

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