Re: Fluck 2007 - Koxx1

I've just had a conversation with another french person in msn and they
have agreed to allow me to post this

"The koxx team did want to pay the convention. There were people with
them who had nothing to do with unicycling, friends of them and they
didn't want to pay cause they wouldn't have used all the stuff of the
convention. Yeah, koxx use drugs but from what i've heard jens himself
smoked cannabis inside the gymnasium. From what I’ve understood, jens
had a kind of discrimination against French.

Enzo Ventura made the street comp. Jens wanted to get rid of him just
because he spoke with two koxx riders. I think there was a lot of
provoking from the French to jens but I think it was justified. Jens
just chose people he didn’t like and made reason to get rid of them. "

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Smilymarco said:

its just too small

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I just want to remark that most of the koxx-one people stayed at Fluck,
from what I know only Yoggi, Matt and some friends leaved (Thorsten,
Tom, Joe, Joe B., Loic, Arthur and Martin stayed).

I dont have a realy opinion too the decision at the moment. But I think
it is so stupid that a danish Girl now must write, please dont boycot
our Unicon. I dont think that the french unicyclists will do something
like this only because a few french guys went in trouble.

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do you know that organisators wanted to elimated peoples of the
competition because they were with koxx team?
do you know that a menber of the unicycle fakse club was expleded of
this club for the same reason ?
do you know that jens's son took a whip in order to " motivated "when
everybody were carying paletts ?do you know that he was extremly
agressive when some body didn't think like his father ?

do you know that i'm pretty bad in english ?yes you know and that's why
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do you know that a menber of the unicycle fakse club was expleded of
this club for the same reason ?

Yes, and this is one of the things that made me angry. You are not
allowed to have a different opinion than Jens, which only make people
wanting to do what they "are not allowed to" even more.
btw, he was the coolest boy i have ever met, he told the people who
were kicked out that they could come and sleep in his guesthouse, and
he invited them all to dinner the last evening

He is my man!!

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amanda.gallacher said:

Yeah, koxx use drugs but from what i've heard jens himself smoked
cannabis inside the gymnasium.

That clearly doesn't mean that it was OK for Koxx to bring drugs into
the scene. Logical fallacy of appeal to popularity. It's still
immature on Koxx's part to bring them, but also immature if Jens did it
himself, but it sounds more like made up rumor about Jens than anything
else.

I'm not saying that I know whether he did or not, but it is way to easy
to say a little lie just to use an obvious logical fallacy to make them
seem more justified.

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I'm finding this thread reali interesting. There is a lot of underlying
information that was not apparant to most participants. I'm beginning
to see other sides to what happened and that's good.

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Smilymarco said:

its just too small

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John Foss is correct. The Organizer, Jens owns the convention and has
the right to do whatever he wants.

I want to state that I was treated with the usmost respect from Jens
and his wife Luna. I was made to feel welcome and was catered to. I
personally saw Jens taking a concern for his participants. He was full
of energy and worked hard and saw to it that eveyone was in lack of
nothing.

When we were doing the clean up Jens did crack a whip but I thought
that it was a funny joke. Hell I cracked some jokes about being in the
chain gang even before the whip incident! We did work hard at the clean
up but it was only fair after such a cheap participation fee that
included lodging and good food.

I personally would like to thank Jens and his family for a GREAT
FLUCK!

Unicorn

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Koxx-one has to smoke weed, all thier unis are named after weed. Who
knows, maybe they were smoking orange bud? Ha, this is awesome, I want
to meet yoggi.

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I also don't know what exactly happens but I think it should be written
that:

- Koxx get a room and was able to mount their Shop before all trouble
started.
- They also where welcomed in a friendly way when they arrived.
- I also know that Jens smoke a cigarete inside the school (1) and no
Joint.
- It was generally not allowed to smoke in the school !
- It was know that also non riders had to pay at Fluck.

It is always important to hear both sides but people should only bring
facts and no rumors.

Generally I can agree to Unicorns words.

Marco, Annika, Tamas and my Family helped one full week on building the
parcours and mounting the Live stream Stuff and we also had all to pay
for Fluck.

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wow, I knew nothing of this, what country was Fluck at?
this thread could really bring down Koxx's popularity, because of the
sponsored guys smokin stuff, I wouldnt want to be like anyone who
smoked.

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Evan Byrne said:

Koxx-one has to smoke weed, all thier unis are named after weed. Who
knows, maybe they were smoking orange bud? Ha, this is awesome, I want
to meet yoggi.

They definitely don't have to smoke it inside of buildings, especially
at a convention where lots of little kids are staying. That's the
problem that I see with it. And also, yes, Yoggi is awesome. The whole
situation at the convention was not, though.

There were a lot of rumors about what was going on at the time, and the
organizers were not too open about the whole thing, which I think was
wrong of them.

When the trials competition was about to start, the people who were
kicked out came by again with their car, this time with banners, to
protest what they believed was unfair.

Jens decided to gather all the participants of the convention inside
the gym hall and delay the start of the competition, so that the
protest would be ignored.

I see a problem with this, for two reasons. One, Jens was not being
open about it (by "shutting" people inside the gym, and then not
telling the complete truth to the people there). And two, if he really
wanted to make a point, he shouldn't have delayed the trials
competition, but instead stuck to the schedule to further show them
that their protest doesn't matter!

Hope you understand what I'm trying to convey.. Getting a bit tired
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CKCrowe said:

wow, I knew nothing of this, what country was Fluck at?
this thread could really bring down Koxx's popularity, because of the
sponsored guys smokin stuff, I wouldnt want to be like anyone who
smoked.

I think its implyed with the names of their unis.

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Jens had a lot of work on his hands at FLUCK. He was working around the
clock. He did not owe it to anyone to explain the situation with KOXX.
He had more than enough on his hands without the problems that KOXX
caused him. They smoked weed on the premises after the warning that
Kristian gave. KOXX was given a room and a place to set up shop so I
know that they were welcomed initialy. Just think, the convention was
held in a school with many minors around. I am sure that Unicycling as
a sport would not apreciate the headline "DRUGS FOUND DURING POLICE
RAID AT MAJOR UNI CONVENTION!"

In addition the booing by the French for Jens was totaly
innappropriate. KOXX was kicked out because they broke the law not
because they were French! Many French riders and KOXX team, factory,
friends whatever stays and had a great time. There is no connection.

In sumation Jens is totally correct in his actions and tried to handle
the situation in the best way possible.

Unicorn

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amanda.gallacher said:

There is a lot of underlying information that was not apparant to most
participants.

Unfortunately true.

Jens did a lot to organise this convention, he did a good job at it and
should be respected for that. He also did do a lot of things that he
should not. His reaction to things "he" did not like was not to deal
with them, but to expel them. His meathods included calling the Police
on Koxx (more than once) - the last time they refused to come out from
what I understand. Yoggi and the Koxx team are no angels in this
situation but the problem could have been easily solved. The problem
was a cultural one and a little careful negotiation could have solved
it.

Why was Lars Lottrop not there? he is one of the biggest names in the
Danish unicycle scene and was removed from the list only a week before
the event. This caused me great problems as he is one of the partners
in the new Danish Unicycle.com that was announced at the convention.

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i understand and everybody know that koxx team menbers aren't angels ,
but if the organisators of the french championship 2006 did the same
thing, what would happenned to danish people who were there ?

i don't think this tread could bring down the koxx's popularity because
this thread interest 15 persons , and i don't buy my uni for the
manager , just for the quality of the product

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I talk on behalf of spanish people at fluck.

This are some facts:
- We were in a party on Monday night, mostly french and spanish people,
a game begun:
People in his underpaints has to make a trick with the unicycle, we
were having fun and I didn´t see nobody smoking weed,
only one person smoking a cigarrete, Yoggi was not there. We went to
sleep and nobody of the organization warn us, so everything seems ok.

Early next morning police burnt in koxx-one room telling they must
leave, refuse them to talk with noone.They began to fill the koxx-one
van with
their stuff and we go there to see what happens. The organization tell
us:
"Go away, there is nothing to see here"

-A french guy was not allowed to go in the sports hall last day ( when
the party takes place) and two bodyguards stand in the door not
allowing him going
in ( we saw that): He told us he boo Jens in the hall in the ceremony,
was taken out of the hall by force and some of the organization were
carring sticks.

When we talk to Yoggi on Thursday morning, he told us he has discuss
whit Jens because of the non-competitor fee and as he has not money
enought, he give the organization some new unicycles as deposit till he
got money and everything goes ok. Tuesday morning they were told to
leave fluck.
- Koox-one publity desappear this day from the hall.

My opinions is this:

Jens and Fluck team organized one of the best (if not the best)
unicycle convention in europe . The food, trials indoors and outdoors
are great. They do very hard work to organized 2007 Fluck (and 2005 was
great too) and we apreciated this of course.

But I completely desagree the way to "solve" problems. It seems to me,
Jens don`t like Yoggi style, his "bad-boy" image,weed involved, etc
and instead of trying to find an agreement with him, so all people
have fun in this convention, he tries to exclude Yoggy and koox-one
team from the convention at first chance,and hiding it if it is
posible. (Calling the police early in Tuesday morning (like if they
were criminals 😕 ) when few people is awake instead of taking
to people if something wrong happened this night, telling us to go away
from koxx one van ).

And what it´s worst trying to put people against Yoggi.

Yoggi return the trial day's competition to show his opinion about what
happens, because he couldn´t express his opinion to the rest of the
people.And most of us didn´t know what really happens.
The organization answer was getting all people into the hall and tell
why Yoggy was expulsed from FLUCK ( a little late I think) and a speech
saying You are with us "the big family of unicycling" and against Yoggi
or you are against us.This is a blackmail.If Yoggi stays here no
competition takes place. This is a blackmail too.
At this time I won`t want to take place in the trial although it is
great course!!!

As the organization don´t want to talk face by face to Yoggi, Connie
Cotter has to act as a mediator ( such difficult it is to comunicate
between persons?)

Perhaps I don´t like very much Yoggi "bad-boy" image, but I respect him
and he is a very friendly guy, we visit him at the camping, he offers
us some
coffee as a good host, everyone knows he smoke weed, but he respects
people who doesn´t. Althought I didn`t see him or noone of his team
smoking weed inside the school mondays night.

His is part of the unicycle family, Jens want it or not, and excluding
him from his family hurts french and others,not giving any reason for
the expulsion till thursday , trying to
hide everything, forcing people to choose between fluck or Yoggi, this
is not the way doing things... Because of that people who disagree
whistle to the
organization (as other clap them for the god job made)

Of course the organization can take the decisions they want, but a
convention is not the organization, in fact is not just a good
course.....

A convention are the participans who take part of it!! and I see a
lot
of people disagree with organization actitude,("force to choose between
two good friends"😉but they don´t want to go away from the convention
because they want to stay with rest of the people.

You can see people from denmark, france,Hungary,Canada,Spain,etc
the last day in Denmark room party, that´s the way, that is FLUCK
convention, not the inside one where not people where alowed to
entrance.

I think we have lost one of the greatest convention in europe, because
of a stubborn almost inquisitor actitude. Hope it can be fixed it.

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Evan Byrne said:

Koxx-one has to smoke weed, all thier unis are named after weed. Who
knows, maybe they were smoking orange bud? Ha, this is awesome, I want
to meet yoggi.

agreed.

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CKCrowe said:

wow, I knew nothing of this, what country was Fluck at?
this thread could really bring down Koxx's popularity, because of the
sponsored guys smokin stuff, I wouldnt want to be like anyone who
smoked.

If that were the case we would see a great decrease in the popularity
of professional skateboarding.
I for one have no problem with what some good riders from france do
with their personal life.

True smoking around the competition/convention is a little shady.
But they still have my upmost respect for being good riders.

Why did i write this post?
who knows...

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filmo said:

This are some facts:
[...]A french guy was not allowed to go in the sports hall last day (
when the party takes place) and two bodyguards stand in the door not
allowing him going
in ( we saw that): He told us he boo Jens in the hall in the ceremony,
was taken out of the hall by force and some of the organization were
carring sticks.

I think with bodyguards you mean 2 responsible participants that showed
some french the way to the exit to avoid an escalation inside the hall
where they 'boo'ed at the main organizer during the final ceremony.
These guys didnt act on orders of the organizers.

filmo said:

Early next morning police burnt in koxx-one room

I didnt hear about that when I was there and its a shame that they
werent able to tell them to go without getting the police to come. That
was definitely not necessary.

filmo said:

When we talk to Yoggi on Thursday morning, he told us he has discuss
whit Jens because of the non-competitor fee and as he has not money
enought, he give the organization some new unicycles as deposit till he
got money

It's understandable that the non-competitors didnt want to pay the full
price for that event and in my opinion it was a fair offer to give them
unicycles. But normally you ask if there is a possibility to get in
cheaper before the event starts. They obviously saw it as a matter of
course that they dont need to pay the full price in the beginning
without even asking. I think that is one reason that caused some of the
trouble in the beginning.

I only wanted to comment some of these "facts".
Both sides didnt behave right and made mistakes which made it worse.
This convention was great and i think everyone can enjoy it if we stick
to the rules and try to stay friendly.

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Pommesfritz said:

man könnte sich eine vielzahnnabe ja ähnlich wie ein rad vorstellen,
eine vierkantnabe wie einen würfel. das rad rollt ja auch besser als
der würfel.

Probailer2 said:

One Yoggi is enough

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