Re: First incident in ages

On 20/09/2006 20:25, [email hidden] said,

Quoted message said:

A vehicle
passing me with a speed differential of 20 or 30 mph has more of a duty
of care...

"Duty of care". There's a novel concept :-) Shame they don't seem to
teach that then reinforce it at annual intervals!

--
Paul Boyd
http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/

And why is it 'always' BMW's? New or old, they seem to attract / bring
out the complete twunt in most individuals, in my experience 😉

squeaker said:

And why is it 'always' BMW's? New or old, they seem to attract / bring
out the complete twunt in most individuals, in my experience 😉

IRTA BMX's AISMS.

It's a self-filfulling thing. Idiots see others with them, so think it'd
be cool to have one.

Marcus Red said:

squeaker said:

And why is it 'always' BMW's? New or old, they seem to attract / bring
out the complete twunt in most individuals, in my experience 😉

IRTA BMX's AISMS.

It's a self-filfulling thing. Idiots see others with them, so think it'd
be cool to have one.

I have the imprssion that (no numbers) I find Audi drivers
put me in most danger on the road when I am driving
my scooter. BMW a close second with X9 top of that.
Black is the worst colour. A Black Audi is death on wheels.

On the pushbike, possibly due to the nature or the
routes I use it is London Bus drivers who are clearly
and unquestionably bottom of the heap.

On 20/09/2006 20:25, [email hidden] said,

Paul Boyd said:

Quoted message said:

A vehicle
passing me with a speed differential of 20 or 30 mph has more of a duty
of care...

Quoted message said:

"Duty of care". There's a novel concept :-) Shame they don't seem to
teach that then reinforce it at annual intervals!

Thing is that there is no such duty in practise. The
criminal justice system has no interest is investigating
road incidents unless someone is dead and then
the attention paid seems to depend on the status of those dead.

Most important - Rail passengers
In between - ...... various road users
Oh good, 4 more out the way - Cyclists

Now at last it seems that people who
stand in the street and shout "Death to [censored]" or publish
similar material are being investigated and jailed.
It is intesting to me that a certain TV personality is
being spared such treatment when he recommends
publically the offering of death to anyone who a motorist
finds is impeding their right to have fun their on the
public highway at their own convenience.

Perhaps being woken up at 4am by the clatter
of boots would help re-align that view towards
a more sustainable approach?
I am certainly terrorised by the recommendations made.

squeaker said:

And why is it 'always' BMW's? New or old, they seem to attract / bring
out the complete twunt in most individuals, in my experience 😉

I dunno. I drive one myself and really like it but I don't think I'm
typical - it's not a status thing and I'm not an aggressive driver at
all.

Chris
--
Chris Eilbeck

squeaker said:

And why is it 'always' BMW's? New or old, they seem to attract /
bring out the complete twunt in most individuals, in my experience 😉

Why is it that all cyclists jump red lights, knock down old ladies and ride
the wrong way up one-way streets?
Perhaps they don't and its just a stereotype perpetuated by people who
should know better.

I happen to drive a BMW.
I've had it 8 years, and its the most reliable car I've ever owned.
I try to drive in a considerate manner.

FWIW, my two most recent hair raising incidents have been caused by a 7T van
driver (passing very close at considerable speed, inside whilst I was
turning right) and an impatient man driving a MG saloon (tailing very close
down a narrow lane, then mounting the grass verge to overtake, when waiting
30 yards would have brought a safe wider bit of road).

- Nigel (campaign against stereotyping).

--
Nigel Cliffe,
Webmaster at http://www.2mm.org.uk/

Nigel Cliffe said:

squeaker said:

And why is it 'always' BMW's? New or old, they seem to attract /
bring out the complete twunt in most individuals, in my experience 😉

Why is it that all cyclists jump red lights, knock down old ladies and ride
the wrong way up one-way streets?

If you can't distinguish between "All Xs behave like blaah blaah
blaah" and "All people doing blaah blaah blaah are Xs" I think that's
your problem.

Quoted message said:

just a stereotype perpetuated by people who should know better.

No, perpetuating stereotypes is bad. This is psychological profiling,
which is good.

FWIW, I think there are marked differences in average behaviour of
motorists categorised by make of car, and BMWs are, on average,
more aggressive than average drivers.

The only actual quantitative investigation I've done is with reference
to the car-park opposite my place of employment. This is full for
most of the day, and being the only free car-park in town, has a queue
waiting to park for most of the day. The approach road has double
yellow lines. A moderately high number of cars park tight to the
wall, blocking the walkway, straddling the double yellows. The
cars thus illegally parked are about twice as likely to be BMWs
as random selection of the cars using the car park.

FWIW, my key findings are:

Mercedes are most likely to pass dangerously close due to
overtaking without deviating from course (especially silver ones
driven by blokes in sheepskin coats).

Audi are about as aggressive as BMW (very slightly less). With Audi
and BMW, the darker the car the more dangerous the driver.

Smart cars are most likely to do something dippy. (It's lucky the
car is smart because a high proportion of the drivers don't seem to
have two firing neurons.)

Cars with internal roll-cages are most likely to come unstuck during a
dodgy overtake manoeuvre. Roll-cage plus large-bore exhaust more so.

Nova with after-market body accessories is most likely to do something
suicidal, but worth watching in case you're collateral.

That about covers it.

regards, Ian SMith
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