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  1. "You .. reiterated .. the FACT .. inflammation is CAUSED .. by .. the
    increased .. FERRITIN / iron .. NOT .. the other way around .."

    No, iron levels were caused by cell damage releasing iron stored in the
    cell. Added to this was a lowered iron clerance level because of the
    cell damage in the liver which normally clears the iron. Thus increased
    iron levels were these two factors in sum. The inflammation was not the
    cause of the increased levels.

    The cell damage as source of iron increases has been brought to your
    attention before, now your own abstract confirms it. Just to say there
    is a correlation with iron level and some disorder says nothing about
    what causes what, the dog and tail story.

    Bty, this is a keeper which can be brought to your attention as each new
    post is made with a mere correlation stated to deflate any casual claim
    you might make.

  2. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    On Apr 14, 4:20 pm, [email hidden] wrote:


    Bty, this is a keeper which can be brought to your attention as each
    new
    post is made with a mere correlation stated to deflate any casual
    claim
    you might make.<<

    Soooo .. I guess .. your prize .. you were unable to .. claim .. after
    all.

    Yep it's a .. keeper ..

    "Inflammation does NOT .. cause .. hyperferritinemia .." ..

    JUST .. like **I / me / myself** .. have been saying ..

    But NOW .. you say .. YOU said it .. ?

    Now .. repeat after .. me ..

    YOU .. say .. out .. loud ..

    "I .. have ALWAYS .. known inflammation does NOT .. cause ..
    hyperferritinemia.. and have tried to explain .. in vain .. NOT to
    give iron to these kids" ..

    Just cut and snip the above phrase and place it into the next post ..

    Just so .. we .. together are in agreement WHAT .. you .. claim.

    You claim you 'know' about iron and have ALWAYS .. known ..
    "inflammation does NOT cause hyperferritinemia" ..

    Just repeat .. it ..

    Repeat that .. it ain't .. hard ..

    You seem to be able to prattle on like some nppyhdedhoonspeed ..
    BUT .. you cannot seem to .. admit to the .. above ..

    Admit it .. like you were told ..

    Just say it out loud so you can .. hang .. yourself ..

    "I knew the kids had iron on board but still injected them with iron
    because .. I was told to .. " ..

    Just .. admit your stupidity ..

    It seems you and your ilk have a problem with .. admission .. you seem
    to like to kill people but NOT .. admit .. it .. was done because
    of .. **stupidity**.

    How come .. ?

    Would it mean you are .. collectively .. a bunch of .. pussies .. ?

    Must .. be ..

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  3. "ironjustice" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    On Apr 14, 4:20 pm, [email hidden] wrote:

    Quoted message said:

    You seem to be able to prattle on like some nppyhdedhoonspeed ..

    nppyhdedhoonspeed ?

    Sorry - don't get this one?

  4. ""Inflammation does NOT .. cause .. hyperferritinemia .." .."

    Nor is high levels of iron the cause of the disorders with which it can
    be associated, the damage of cells in a disorder releases iron and the
    liver's ability to clear the increased levels is decreased. Taken
    together these two factors are the cause of higher iron levels
    associated with some disorders, the dog and tail thing you know.

    Because of the cell damage, higher inflimation goes with higher iron
    levels but is not the cause of it, the dog and tail story you know.

    The abstract is a keeper for the reasons mentioned before.

  5. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    On Apr 14, 4:20 pm, [email hidden] wrote:

    Bty, this is a keeper which can be brought to your attention as each
    new
    post is made with a mere correlation stated to deflate any casual
    claim
    you might make.<<

    Soooo .. I guess .. your prize .. you were unable to .. claim ..
    after
    all.

    Yep it's a .. keeper ..

    "Inflammation does NOT .. cause .. hyperferritinemia .." ..

    JUST .. like **I / me / myself** .. have been saying ..

    But NOW .. you say .. YOU said it .. ?

    Now .. repeat after .. me ..

    YOU .. say .. out .. loud ..

    "I .. have ALWAYS .. known inflammation does NOT .. cause ..
    hyperferritinemia.. and have tried to explain .. in vain .. NOT to
    give iron to these kids" ..

    Just cut and snip the above phrase and place it into the next post ..

    Just so .. we .. together are in agreement WHAT .. you .. claim.

    You claim you 'know' about iron and have ALWAYS .. known ..
    "inflammation does NOT cause hyperferritinemia" ..

    Just repeat .. it ..

    Repeat that .. it ain't .. hard ..

    You seem to be able to prattle on like some nppyhdedhoonspeed ..
    BUT .. you cannot seem to .. admit to the .. above ..

    Admit it .. like you were told ..

    Just say it out loud so you can .. hang .. yourself ..

    "I knew the kids had iron on board but still injected them with iron
    because .. I was told to .. " ..

    Just .. admit your stupidity ..

    It seems you and your ilk have a problem with .. admission .. you
    seem
    to like to kill people but NOT .. admit .. it .. was done because
    of .. **stupidity**.

    How come .. ?

    Would it mean you are .. collectively .. a bunch of .. pussies .. ?

    Must .. be ..

    Who loves ya.
    Tom

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    Quoted message said:

    On Apr 14, 4:20 pm, [email hidden] wrote:


    No, iron levels were caused by cell damage releasing iron stored in
    the
    cell. Added to this was a lowered iron clerance level because of the
    cell damage in the liver which normally clears the iron. Thus
    increased
    iron levels were these two factors in sum. The inflammation was not
    the
    cause of the increased levels.

    The cell damage as source of iron increases has been brought to your
    attention before, now your own abstract confirms it. Just to say
    there
    is a correlation with iron level and some disorder says nothing about
    what causes what, the dog and tail story.<<

    The .. HEMOLYSIS .. of the RED BLOOD CELLS .. causes **hyper**-
    ferritinemia .. as evidenced below .. the ferritin is CREATED ..
    when .. the iron and heme are present .. **TOGETHER** .. and
    'coincidentally' .. red blood cells are made UP .. of .. ? .. heme and
    iron ..

    Hemolysis .. hemo-lysis / destroyed red blood cell yields / creates
    heme and iron which then creates **ferritin** TO .. ? ..
    **store** .. ? .. store .. ? .. iron .. ?

    That .. is .. 'what' .. ferritin .. DOES ..

    Didn't you know .. that .. ?

    Did you think hyperferritinemia / it .. was caused by .. ? ..
    hmmm .... inflammation .. ?

    I .. think .. you .. do ..

    So .. the hyperferritinemia found in .. people .. is the result of
    increased iron either through ingestion OF iron .. or .. hemolysis of
    red blood cells.

    Heme controls antioxidants and iron in ferritin
    October 11, 2005 - Discovery could improve or create treatments for
    several chronic illnesses

    Oakland, CA- A new study conducted by scientists at Children's
    Hospital Oakland Research Institute could help researchers develop new
    treatments for a variety of health conditions that are all related to
    abnormal iron metabolism. More than one million Americans have
    abnormal iron levels in their bodies. For example, iron excess can
    lead to a long list of health problems including diabetes, heart
    failure, liver cancer, arthritis and severe fatigue.

    Ferritin is a protein that stores or releases iron in the body as it
    is needed. Until now, scientists were convinced that the only way to
    develop new therapies for treating iron overload was to focus on iron
    metabolism. But a new study published in the October 10th issue of the
    Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences is the first to
    demonstrate that the ferritin gene can be controlled by heme, and
    other common antioxidant regulators. Heme is the molecule that
    activates many protective genes and is also the part of the blood that
    uses iron to carry oxygen from our lungs to the rest of the body.

    Previously, scientists only focused on genes that were regulated by
    iron for iron related diseases. Now it is clear that heme might be a
    "master switch" for iron genes, and antioxidant genes, which are the
    genes that protect and repair damage caused by oxygen radicals. If
    that mechanism is found, heme could help scientists unravel the cause
    and cures of several chronic illnesses.

    "This new information will dramatically change the way researchers
    think about solving certain health problems involving iron or
    inflammation," said Elizabeth Theil, Ph.D., Senior Scientist at
    Children's Hospital Oakland Research Institute and co-author of the
    study. "For the first time we understand that ferritin is one of the
    protective genes the body uses to protect us from the damage caused by
    oxygen radicals. "

    To find out what controlled ferritin genes; scientists studied
    cultures of liver cells. They found that iron, by itself, was a weak
    signal by linking different pieces of ferritin DNA to a "reporter"
    gene and measuring the amount of reporter protein when cells were fed
    extra iron, heme, or sulforphane. Iron had practically no effect, but
    with heme or sulforphane much "reporter" was produced.

    Scientists discovered that ferritin is a gene with two kinds of
    genetic controllers: DNA plus mRNA. Iron regulates the mRNA. When the
    two regulators were combined in the experiment, heme made the cells
    produce huge amounts of reporter protein-three times more than either
    one alone. Both DNA and mRNA carry genetic information. DNA is the
    blueprint, protected in the nucleus, and mRNA is the working copies
    used to manage day-to-day information and cell work.

    "Our research shows that ferritin mRNA is sensitive to iron, ferritin
    DNA is sensitive to antioxidants like sulforphane and heme coordinates
    both DNA and mRNA," said Korry Hintze, a postdoctoral fellow at
    Children's Hospital Oakland Research Institute and co-author of the
    study. "Now we know that ferritin is central to both iron and oxygen
    metabolism."

    Children's Hospital & Research Center at Oakland

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  7. The cell damage as source of iron increases has been brought to your
    attention before, now your own abstract confirms it. Just to say
    there
    is a correlation with iron level and some disorder says nothing about
    what causes what, the dog and tail story.<<

    "The .. HEMOLYSIS .. of the RED BLOOD CELLS .. causes **hyper**-
    ferritinemia .. as evidenced below .. the ferritin is CREATED .. when ..
    the iron and heme are present .. **TOGETHER** .. and 'coincidentally' ..
    red blood cells are made UP .. of .. ? .. heme and iron .."

    In the abstract you provided and other instances brought to your
    attention the source of the iron was that released from damaged cells.

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    On Apr 17, 7:37 am, [email hidden] wrote:


    In the abstract you provided and other instances brought to your
    attention the source of the iron was that released from damaged
    cells.<<

    Well as far as I've been able to .. see .. about this .. thread ..
    **thread** .. IS .. you've .. attempted .. to .. divert from the
    FACT .. "inflammation does not cause hyperferritinemia .. " ..

    Now .. what do we have .. ?

    We have .. people / patients .. who have been .. **misdiagnosed** ..
    killed and maimed by the medical profession .. BY **stupidity** and/
    or ignorance.

    And the .. response OF .. 'one of the medical profession' .. ? ..
    you ..

    "The iron comes from a damaged cell .. " ..

    ????

    You didn't even KNOW the iron was there .. and killed women , men and
    children.

    And based upon your .. reaction .. TO .. this discovery .. are going
    to CONTINUE .. to kill men , women and children ..

    And .. just in case you ARE as stupid as you act .. a .. destroyed
    cell .. IS .. a red blood cell .. a r-e-d b-l-o-o-d .. **cell** ..

    Now .. maybe you should go tell your buddies not to hurt any more ..
    kids .. before somebody takes .. umbridge .. and gives you ..
    precisely what you .. so .. RICHLY .. deserve ..

    Try not to let them take almost a .. year .. before SOMEBODY .. like
    the FDA .. has to tell them their .. job .. or like a .. clown ..
    on .. the .. internet ..

    Heh .. heh ..

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