Re: Fatty Master's Survey

Mark Fennell said:

Phil Holman said:

It isn't a question of "if" masters are fatter than open category riders
but "by how much"...

Since this is rec.bicycles.RACING, I assume you are only interested in
people that race. If so, I wonder how true your hypothesis really is...

OTOH, if you're actually interested in all the recreational cycling
population, then no doubt you are correct.

Re racers... I see a lot of 20-something racers, especially in the beginning
categories, that still have what looks like a layer of "baby fat". No
visible veins, no ripped muscles. That's not to say they are slow--youthful
lungs and cardio-vascular systems are worth a lot.

So I think you should add another item to your list, namely whether the
person is an active racer, and maybe even a measure of how much racing
he/she does.

Dumbass -

Quoted message said:

From 1998-2001 I used to do about 80% Cat1/2 races vs. 20% Masters

Fattie races. Typically I'd do the Masters Fattie races when there was
too much climbing for me to be competitive in the 1/2 race. The
difference I saw was pretty significant: 15-20 lbs. and the difference
in speed up the climbs was very apparent.

The local Masters Fatties aren't lacking that much wattage compared to
the local 1/2s. But they don't do as much training, they don't recover
from hard efforts quite as well and they definitely weigh more. There
are some exceptions, like the 40+ Chris Walker who were (are?) still
competitive. But notice that dude trains a lot and never got fat.

thanks,

K. Gringioni.

Phil Holman said:

It isn't a question of "if" masters are fatter than open category riders
but "by how much"...

Since this is rec.bicycles.RACING, I assume you are only interested in
people that race. If so, I wonder how true your hypothesis really is...

OTOH, if you're actually interested in all the recreational cycling
population, then no doubt you are correct.

Re racers... I see a lot of 20-something racers, especially in the beginning
categories, that still have what looks like a layer of "baby fat". No
visible veins, no ripped muscles. That's not to say they are slow--youthful
lungs and cardio-vascular systems are worth a lot.

So I think you should add another item to your list, namely whether the
person is an active racer, and maybe even a measure of how much racing
he/she does.

My $0.02

Mark
http://marcofanelli.blogspot.com

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Quoted message said:

Mark Fennell said:

Phil Holman said:

It isn't a question of "if" masters are fatter than open category
riders
but "by how much"...

Since this is rec.bicycles.RACING, I assume you are only interested
in
people that race. If so, I wonder how true your hypothesis really
is...

OTOH, if you're actually interested in all the recreational cycling
population, then no doubt you are correct.

Re racers... I see a lot of 20-something racers, especially in the
beginning
categories, that still have what looks like a layer of "baby fat". No
visible veins, no ripped muscles. That's not to say they are
slow--youthful
lungs and cardio-vascular systems are worth a lot.

So I think you should add another item to your list, namely whether
the
person is an active racer, and maybe even a measure of how much
racing
he/she does.

Dumbass -

Quoted message said:

From 1998-2001 I used to do about 80% Cat1/2 races vs. 20% Masters

Fattie races. Typically I'd do the Masters Fattie races when there was
too much climbing for me to be competitive in the 1/2 race. The
difference I saw was pretty significant: 15-20 lbs. and the difference
in speed up the climbs was very apparent.

The local Masters Fatties aren't lacking that much wattage compared to
the local 1/2s. But they don't do as much training, they don't recover
from hard efforts quite as well and they definitely weigh more. There
are some exceptions, like the 40+ Chris Walker who were (are?) still
competitive. But notice that dude trains a lot and never got fat.

Dumbass

Give me your stats. Remember, this is a study of rbr posters.

Thanks

Phil H

Mark Fennell said:

Kurgan Gringioni said:

From 1998-2001 I used to do about 80% Cat1/2 races vs. 20% Masters
Fattie races. Typically I'd do the Masters Fattie races when there was
too much climbing for me to be competitive in the 1/2 race. The
difference I saw was pretty significant: 15-20 lbs. and the difference
in speed up the climbs was very apparent.

But you've already biased your observations because, like you say, you were
looking at the Fatties in the races that weren't as topographically
challenging.

Dumbass -

Read more carefully.

thanks,

K. Gringioni.

Kurgan Gringioni said:

From 1998-2001 I used to do about 80% Cat1/2 races vs. 20% Masters
Fattie races. Typically I'd do the Masters Fattie races when there was
too much climbing for me to be competitive in the 1/2 race. The
difference I saw was pretty significant: 15-20 lbs. and the difference
in speed up the climbs was very apparent.

But you've already biased your observations because, like you say, you were
looking at the Fatties in the races that weren't as topographically
challenging.

I'll soften my earlier statement to say that the Masters you'll find at road
races are not fatter than the 20-35 year-olds at those same races. Perhaps
even they are leaner, especially if you include the 35+ folks doing the
category races.

Mark
http://marcofanelli.blogspot.com